Who is illegal occupant in your vision?
Wtf has SG become to...
Its an absolute shame that SG let this shit go trough without some permabans.
I guess it's time to delete this account.
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That's a site primerily for 3rd world losers, who beg for god damned steam keys as a life long habit - what else might be expected? Just stop giving. (Not only keys for losers - food & technology for their countries 1st of all).
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Does my profile look like I need to beg anyone for anything? Lmao, you're pathetic.
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Did i look at your f profile, or asked about yo circumstances, beggar?
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Have you seen me begging?
Again, you're pathetic, and your ego is much, much greater than your intelligence, it seems.
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You are begging for attention just right now & make a fool of yourself.
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Not only do you lack intelligence, but you also clearly lack self-awareness. The no-lifer who decided to complain about this site being "primerily for 3rd world losers" was you (Nice englando, by the way), when it wasn't even relevant to the topic of conversation of this thread nor the comment you answered to.
Also, don't you think you're a bit of a hypocrite? Crying about how this place is for "third worlders begging for games", yet having won over a thousand games on the site. The joke tells itself.
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"Didn't read" yet you took the time to reply.
You truly are fucking pathetic lmfao. You could just admit you have absolutely no arguments and block me instead.
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Dude, you should stop, at best you look like a 13-year-old having a tantrum. Also, what kind of insult is "poser"? I'm not even sure what you're insulting, whether my music taste or something else lmao.
Well, but since we're insulting people unconventionally, I'll call you a communist.
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The thread/OP could use some quality control but ultimately it serves as a place to draw the subject into a convenient singular thread away from everywhere else, in the off-topic subforum no less. The quality of SteamGifts and the forums at large is unchanged for the existence of this thread.
So I'm gonna go with : This handily timestamped link
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I don't see the problem in such threads, especially when a Ukraine thread was made since day one of the war there and has been kept alive since then.
Curb your double standards.
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when a Ukraine thread was made since day one of the war
Ukraine thread was made about one week before invasion
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๐ ๐๐ค๐ ๐ง๐๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFiZN7ceVw&ab_channel=TRTWorld
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The network has received criticism for failing to meet accepted journalism ethics and standards for independence and objectivity, with some commentators especially in the West calling it a mouthpiece or propaganda arm of the Erdoฤan administration.
More recently as of March 2020 with the Evros border crisis, TRT World and other Turkish media have in a way, accelerated on producing fake news as alleged by the Greek government, as was also mentioned by Prime Minister of Greece Kyriakos Mitsotakis in a CNN interview twice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World
same shit source as RT
funny how you think such crap is relevant and put it in your header
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Who is illegal occupant in your vision?
Hamas for sure
hamas = isis
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Who is illegal occupant in your vision?
Both Israel and Hamas are illegal occupants!
The land belongs to Jordan proper.
Palestine=Jordan!
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Nice poll. Now start one asking "Whose charter calls for genocide as the only resolution to conflict?"
Israel's occupation may be questionable, but Palestine and Hamas are not the innocents you propagandize them to be. Both sides are frequently in the wrong but Palestine has, more often than not, refused to seek peaceful alternatives and the Hamas Charter, article 13 specifically, disallows peaceful resolution while article 8, the "istishhad article", is the basis for suicide attackers indiscriminately murdering innocents.
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Killing innocent civilians is wrong as A PAKISTANI I HAVE GUTS TO STRONGLY CONDEMN KILLING OF ANY INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN ANY COUNTRY/REGION ON ANY BASIS.
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And yet your entire thread is about glorifying Hamas. Your stance is appearing increasingly disingenuous.
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- Your "Overview" is a copy-paste of various websites. If something is not your own work, it needs to be credited. Otherwise, it's illegal, and illegal content is not allowed here. I saw you argued with it before, so I will copy the link explaining this (from first paragraph website). It's up to you to properly credit your whole text:
https://support.history.com/hc/en-us/articles/216777477-How-should-I-cite-information-I-have-found-on-History-com- - I will ask you (and everyone else) to link to "big" recognized information sources. And surely not sensation from short YouTube or twitter videos. There are already warnings of people using Arma 3 game videos.... And with recent AI jumps, it's easy to fake blurry "in the action" videos to spread misinformation.
- All videos or photos that can be considered NSFW must be clearly tagged. "NSFW" is a far away video of a tank shooting a car. Not people being shot at, or injured, up-close. There is no place for explicit content here.
- The title of this thread is "Awareness thread". Which makes it look like it was made to inform about what is happening in the Palestine. Not justify killing civilians, because they were from the opposing "camp". This goes to both sides. There is nothing noble in Hamas killing Jewish civilians, and Israel killing Muslim civilians. There is no "better" killing when it's aimed at civilians, or in disregard to their fate.
I will give OP chance to rectify copyright infringement issue. If nothing changes, the topic will be closed. And suggest following the above reminders.
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Re : Point 1
This thread is not a study or a paper, nor is the materials inside it claimed to be the OP's original work, though?
It is not 'illegal' to repeat information found on History.com even if that was their source, or from anywhere else, unless the information/source was considered private, confidential or personally sensitive, even if the OP sensationalises, is inaccurate,or is found to do something in poor taste.
While proper citation is a good thing when stating information that isn't easily observable or readily and widely documented, it is not a legal requirement in common discussion / debate / ranting / etc. And TBH it's a really strange thing to assert, so perhaps you would like to reiterate or clarify your intentions, because what you just wrote really doesn't seem to hold any water? Because at the time of this post, I have no idea what that reach is trying to achieve? Is this a regional thing? Tacking on this 'illegality' and claim of copyright infringement is a bit of a weird arbitrary stretch that just... yeah I'm not sure what you're aiming at with that?
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I agree, calling out copyright infringement as reason to close the thread seems silly.
For what it's worth, doing a quick google search for the text, shows the following three sites as sources for the text posted:
- first three paragraphs = https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine
- next three paragraphs = https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict
- the rest = https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine
EDIT: OP added the citation links to the post.
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When I hosted gameservers and the website for it I always immediately deleted copied content.
It doesn't really matter if it is a link to a download of a game (illegal download). Essentially it is just text/code written by an author with their game company as copyright holder. The exact same counts for news articles and the websites an author wrote for. On top of that he explicitly claimed 3 times it was his own text.
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he explicitly claimed 3 times it was his own text
I don't see where
Anyway simply adding the above three URLs to the post as "references" fixes this citation issue.
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Oh. He edited his post a bunch of times, https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/VfHZ8yc the quotes are in there.
And no, the references won't fix it unless all 3 websites explicitly state it is allowed to be used if a source is added. We just read history.com allows it. I don't know if the others do.
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the quotes are in there (Writing a long post.. i just need to write.. Writing this...)
you are arguing over small semantics here, all those are from one sentence and yet you counted as 3, and they are not in any way "explicit" claims of originality as you say. He could have also said "I created this thread to ...." same thing really.
the OP clearly wanted to add an introduction on the subject to the post, which he pieced together from those three news outlets. It is perfectly fine to do so, and while citation would have been preferred, it is in no way an egregious violation as you imply. It's not like the material is some highly copyrighted literary piece or anything, it's simply a recount of historical events.
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If you think 3 claims in the only 3 lines he wrote isn't explicit, Then I don't know what is.
You can have an opinion about it all you want. I didn't make the law. I didn't make the rules. I just know how the world works. It really doesn't matter if you copy paste news articles, a game to download, an e-book or a movie.. In your believes it may be harmless, that's fine. I download movies illegally too. But those believes simply don't matter and doesn't make it legal.
Of course it won't happen. But steamgifts is liable for what is happening here, I am pretty sure steamgifts is hosted in the USA. If the copyright holder decides to make a DMCA complaint they are perfectly in their right. If the demands aren't met they can even sue.
And again in such a small case of course it will never happen and it won't even be noticed. But that doesn't make it legal. But if you are owner of a website you should avoid legal conflicts.Don't you think?
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From your overly aggressive responses throughout, you are clearly against the idea of this very thread, not so much concerned about plagiarism or any so called copyright issues.
In fact I found all OP responses nothing but polite and courteous, thanking anyone even if they are being disrespectful towards him, and entire race and religion.
And mind you this is a discussion thread about an ongoing conflict, not some published formal study with original editorials. So like I mentioned earlier, by simply adding those 3 urls should solve the citations matter.
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My response or yours don't really matter. We don't make the law. I don't think laws are aggressive to be honest. Don't kill the messenger.
It is fine you think the OP is perfectly polite even though he started this discussion the morning after the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel. Of course you are allowed to think it is polite and courteous. Nobody ever claimed you aren't allowed to support that, It is perfectly fine with me.
As I mentioned earlier, those 3 urls don't solve anything if there isn't explicitly told it is allowed. I don't make the law dude, and neither do you. And neither should you want the owner of this community to commit a "crime" simply because you have an opinion about something. The mod is perfectly in their right to delete illegal content no matter what it says,
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I am saying you are nitpicking about these missing citations not because of your concern about some imagined copyright-related legal trouble for the site, but because of your stance wanting this thread closed. And it's quite obvious to anyone reading your responses.
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No. I am siding with the mod and the owner of the website, She is perfectly in her right to delete copyrighted content you guys said is legal and I simply called bullshit. You are a guest on a forum, you shouldn't want to post content that can get the host in trouble.
And no, you are completely wrong about me just like OP. Certain people like you and OP seem to only see black and white. You HAVE to choose a side "If you don't behead a baby then you are for the other side!". No. piss off man. To give my blunt opinion which you are so curious about. You can be hamas all you want. Nobody cares really. But don't put me on the Israeli government side, They can ***** in a hole with hamas for all I care. If the normal peaceful Palestines and Jews then can live happily after, next to each other. everybody would be happy. Unfortunately that won't happen in at least hundreds of years. I have no idea why you and OP try to force an extremist opinion on someone. There are normal peaceful people you know?
Anyway, this is my last reply because this is way too much spam. Yet you don't understand the law and liability. It is a good thing you aren't a host. Have a good one!
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you seem to only see black and white. You HAVE to choose a side. [...]
piss off man. [..] You can be hamas all you want.
pot, meet kettle
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Certain people like you and OP seem to only see black and white. You HAVE to choose a side "If you don't behead a baby then you are for the other side!"
(...)
I have no idea why you and OP try to force an extremist opinion on someone
I have no idea why you think ormax3 is doing that? You seem overly emotional, lashing out to whomever. Maybe take a little break from all the news, take care of yourself first.
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Where exactly did the owner of the website enter this discussion, because that seems to be a total asspull of a claim.
And you're talking about other people only seeing things in black and white? Yet you're trying to assist someone in suggesting that the OP needs licensing permission of all things, just to be able to copy-paste public newsmedia material in an informal discussion.
Just be honest and say you think they're doing something in poor taste and you just want them to shut up. Hamfistedly misrepresenting law as a clumsy cover for what may be a pending closure of the thread is just dishonest.
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No. I said, if the owner of the website saw it, he is obligated to delete it, Learn to read man.
I am not assisting anybody. I am simply quoting the law. It doesn't matter if you agree or not. You may even believe the law is clumsy. It is all cool
I already did say the things they are posting are in poor taste. I have already been suspended for it. I am not hiding here. This same mod actually suspended me and was correct about it too. :D You couldn't be more wrong, it is amazing :D
Nah, I don't want this thread closed. Is this some weird self reflection because he spammed the Ukraine thread to be closed? I actually think it's is very good for everybody to see how certain people think. It is a good life lesson.
But yeh, really my last spam post. Don't kill the messenger dude. And don't make up stuff. :) Have a nice weekend!
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Your exact words were "No. I am siding with the mod and the owner of the website".
You are assisting the moderator in their assertions, by going to lengths insisting strange things that do not have real parity with law, misrepresenting the context and spirit in which licensing is required. I never said I believed the law is clumsy.
At this point I'm just going to stop reading your post, if you're not going to engage in good faith then it's not worth my time.
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Thanks for the help i never posted a long post before and i dont know how to post things. I just made this post to support Palestinian people because thats the least thing i can do from my country to support them.
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I beg to differ.
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/6VmUG0f + following comments.
He explicitly claimed 3 times it was his own written text. There is nothing legal about that.
Sure, it isn't written in a paper or he made money or got "big credit" out of it, And of course the author or the copyright holder won't start a claim over a forum post but that doesn't make it less illegal.
https://nytlicensing.com/latest/methods/news-content-for-website/ explains how it actually works.
The example of history.com actually only works for history.com and other websites (like wikipedia) who explicitly give permission to copy their information IF they also mention the source. If this is not mentioned, it is simply not allowed ever if you didn't get permission. You can often see ยฉ on the bottom of a website. It does actually mean something.
As an easy example. Am I allowed to copy paste a whole book here because this is just a thread? It isn't private, confidential or personally sensitive. Somehow I think it isn't allowed? The same counts for every news article that has been written and has ([probably) been paid for. too
By law he should have already removed the content as he already noticed it. I doubt the law cares about other people opinions to be honest... //edit: if cg read it he should have removed it by law. I don't think the mod has a legally binding contact :P
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They said they wrote a post for the first time (which they did, assuming by 'post' they meant 'thread').
They did not say that everything within their topic is their own original text / original study / original findings / etc.
That is a whole football field worth of difference.
The comments you just linked to me also shows you attempting to say they're in the wrong by linking the NYT licensing page, however Steamgifts is not CRAZY463708's website, nor does CRAZY claim to represent Steamgifts, nor are they posting the copied info/claims/etc as their own or even as a piece of authored content. It's literally just a thread in an off-topic messaging forum, so once again I have to say that trying to play the 'this is illegal' spin is pretty bizarre.
There is a major difference between a site directly taking content and reposting verbatim without permission and citation, and a user of a discussion forum copy-pasting portions of it while informally discussing / ranting about it. Trying to assert that a user on a message forum needs to obtain proper licensing for permission to post informally in discussion, while misconstruing their words, is not painting your intentions in a very good light, Peterlol.
I can only hope this is a matter of a lingual barrier, because you are -severely- off mark, here.
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I am not saying it is a big deal, I am still saying it isn't legal as the mod stated. And yes, he claimed 3 times in the only 3 lines he wrote it was his. If you somehow see it differently, that;s fine.
I know it is not CRAZY his website. That doesn't mean the website isn't liable for what is posted here especially when it;s noticed by a mod. Like I said it is the same as dumping an e-book on here. Or dumping a bunch of download links. That the infraction is less hard doesn't make it less illegal just because you believe it to be okay. It really doesn't matter what you may or may not believe.
The link to the NYT website is actually not a licensing page of NYT, it is simply American. The link to the history channel page was a licensing page where they explicitly give permission to copy their content. You may see the difference.
I don't know why you take an argument about the user only posting portions of the article. That should have probably been an argument for my defense as subjectively only copying portions the way they fit in your argument is actually worse than completely copying the whole article. One comment out of an article can be completely be taken out of perspective to fit someones needs and definitely fucks of the intention of the original author. So thank you for that one.
I don't know what your intentions are, but from my perspective you aren't painting yourself in a good light either Uroboros.Which are my intentions exactly according to your theories? And how did you found them out?
Don't worry. I am Dutch but fluent in English. And by the looks of it even better in American law than you. But you are British, so it;s fair game I guess. Did you know stealing a candy bar is not a big offense but still illegal?:)
But this really is only just spam, and I will shut up before I become unfriendly :P. If you don't believe me, or don't understand law, it is all cool. If you think I am an idiot, it's all cool. If you think I am racist batman it is perfectly fine too :P
Enjoy your weekend. :)
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You are once again misrepresenting what they said. Writing a thread / writing a post is not the same as "everything within this post is my own original creation". You may be fluent in english but as evidenced by your reply here, it is not quite fluent enough to avoid making repeating casual mistakes, hence why I suggested the language barrier may be a tripping point here.
Your posts are entirely readable, but the difference in implications between two words can be vast, and missing the intended meaning can put an entirely different spin in tone / intent. You are mistaking the implications of the words used, I don't know how much more plainly I can state that. Moreover the OP is also someone who seems to not be a primary english speaker, further compounding the fact that the words are unlikely to be exact-fits.
And no, copy-pasting parts of public newsmedia without full accreditation and licensing is nothing like dumping a full ebook, as that would be piracy, given that such content is accessible only with a purchase and for individual consumption. Whereas publicly available newsmedia, particularly that which is not behind a paywall, and not used in a formal manner nor reused as part of any published piece, and only used in small part, has no legal requirement for such license or permission. The author or a representing group of the source can certain issue a takedown request at their own leisure, but that does not mean that it is a legal requirement to pre-empt such a thing while within the vast and blurry boundary of fair use, much less suggest the takedown would have any legal grounds (just look at the automatic takedown culture in stream/video sites for examples).
Respectfully, take a step back and reflect on why you are being so strangely insistant while only having a spurious claim to legitimacy.
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I don't object to this thread going away. Glorifying or admiring acts of terrorism more or less suggests the OP is at best a terror sympathizer. At best. It's definitely not a good look for the site. The OP thought this was 4chan or something.
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I must be too burned out to see it.
Where exactly are they glorifying/admiring acts of terrorism?
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Somehow, this is exactly the sort of response I expected from a mod from this site (if there were to be any). Close the topic for copyright infringement, not because it says terrorism is kinda nice, actually. But you say "there is no better killing and both sides are wrong", which obviously means you're very smart, so who am I to say anything.
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In every war Both sides think other one is a terrorist.
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2am here, so maybe my reading comprehension is toasted, can bail me out and point out where the OP promotes terrorism?
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Here. "They were forced to attack."
Think about how asinine this statement is in this context. How can you be forced to kill 1300+ civilians? How can you be forced to take hundreds of hostages? But of course, every terrorist as well as every wife beater will claim this.
"Their area was shrinking day by day because of illegal forcefull land grabbing for illegal settlements." This is such bullshit. Israel withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago, evacuated all its settlements from there and gave Gaza a chance to organize an independent peaceful life. Instead, they voted for Hamas, an organization that denies Israel's very right to exist and is resorting to terrorist tactics. The international community has since pumped billions of dollars into Gaza, but they were spent not on building a peaceful life, but on financing preparations for war.
It's just one comment and two statements. The first one justifies the horrible attack on civilians. The second one is a 100% lie and part of the terrorists' propaganda.
One can easily find more if one is prepared to read more of the OPs bullshit or to watch the numerous propaganda videos. This thread must be closed for supporting terrorists, not for copyright infringement. Supporting terrorists is illegal enough.
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That is a single reply within the discussion, and was followed by : "Innocent killings cant be justified both sides are facing huge losses"
Whereas you framed it as the OP saying "terrorism is kind of nice", as if it were a core sentiment or in the opening post.
A lie of omission is still a lie, Saucisse. Don't be dishonest, it only weakens your position.
Speak your actual genuine objection and let it stand on its own.
Even if the comment would be found to be against the rules, that would be grounds for deletion of the comment and warning/punishment of the poster, not the locking of an entire thread outright.
Though given you objected to that comment with the usage of a strawman approach, and the fact you do not seem to object to similar sentiments spoken re : Isreal being 'forced' to attack Palestine, it shows your objection to be hyperbolic. Also note that chain of comments are very wishy-washy about specifically what attack / counter-attack it references, and both sides are doing the usual "they did it first" / "they were forced to do it" song and dance, and yet you zeroed in on only that one remark. Did you even look at what the core of that reply chain was? Suggesting the Palestine citizenship just remove Hamas outright, placing the onus of the recent total supply cutoff not just on Palestine as a whole, but on the citizens / noncombatants for apparently just letting Hamas exist? This is why context is important. That comment chain (as with many here) are full of bizarre thoughts and assertions. That doesn't mean they're promoting terrorism, it means they're emotional, agitated, and going off half-cocked while offended at what is happening to innocent life. It's ugly but that's what happens when peoples good intentions go off prematurely. They are offended on the behalf of innocents, but are accidentally disregarding the other half of the innocents in their urgency to decry the violence / shitty military groups behaviour.
Look, its okay to say "This thread is in bad taste", or "Your wording is heavily biased and is taking on a war propaganda tone", or to push back / fact check / course correct / criticise / etc. But you have to do that with honesty, otherwise you are just further giving the impression / demonstration that the only pushback to what they assert is through making false claims and being deliberately misleading.
Using your value judgement, we could say that any statements in support of Palestine OR Isreal would be "supporting terrorists", given both have engaged in illegal / immoral acts. But the point here is that between CRAZY's ranting bias, the fact remains that officials within Isreal made the decision to deprive an entire place of vital supply, which unless I'm mistaken, is considered inhumane and a warcrime, and to further underline their intentions, one such official was publicly shown calling said population "human animals". This is not a piece of past history, but an immediate and recent development, so surely you can understand why this thread exists, rather than one named "Palestine / Isreal War Awareness" thread, right?
Just as with the Ukraine thread, where we can spend a thousand years nitpicking over who is worse, or which vile government / military act trumps which, or whose history or legal allowances were the most inhumane, but there are certain saturday-morning cartoonishly evil behaviours that trancend all of that. In the Ukraine situation, that was an outright invasion, a bombing of an egress route for citizens, and the threat of nuclear retaliation to any country assisting Ukraine. In this situation, it is the deciding members within Isreal shutting off vital supply to literally the entire populace (let it sink in what percentage would be non-combatants, and how quickly and horribly the total lack of water effects people), and also saying without shame that they are 'human animals', a gigantic red flag for dehumanisation that is classically used as part of "cleansing" / genocide justification.
There are degrees, Saucisse.
I can appreciate objection to how CRAZY is ranting and conducting themselves, but silencing the entire subject would be beyond shortsighted, where instead taking actual proportional measures based on actual things they have done/said is the rational thing to do.
Where CRAZY is inaccurate, call them on it, don't lie and say they're promoting terrorism.
And do the same for when you see similar assertions hitting out in the opposite direction.
Or risk being seen as just another "well uh I don't want to see this thread so it shouldn't exist at all" commenter.
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I thought you wanted an example, so I gave you one. When you say "point out where the OP promotes terrorism", it's fair game to point out at least one such example, even if it's not the core sentiment or in the opening post.
And no, it doesn't matter that the OP then adds his usual mantra of "innocent killings cannot be justified". You think he doesn't know that one of the core values of Hamas is the idea of destroying Israel? That terrorist tactics has been their regular approach for many years?
I just found an example that seemed clear. Maybe I was wrong. Another good example of promoting terrorism is where he calls Hamas terrorists "fighters" and somehow fails to call them terrorists anywhere at all. Not a single time in this thread, including the comments. They are always "fighters", lol. He seems to have no problem calling Israeli forces terrorists.
And yes, the entire civilized world, not just Israel, designates Hamas as a terrorist group (see wikipedia). Calling them "fighters" is either a sign of extreme ignorance or (more likely) an agenda.
Now, to end the misunderstanding with the term "strawman approach".
to further underline their intentions, one such official was publicly shown calling said population "human animals".
In this situation, it is the deciding members within Isreal shutting off vital supply to literally the entire populace (let it sink in what percentage would be non-combatants, and how quickly and horribly the total lack of water effects people), and also saying without shame that they are 'human animals', a gigantic red flag for dehumanisation that is classically used as part of "cleansing" / genocide justification.
This is what can indeed be considered a strawman fallacy because it distorts Israel's position by focusing on a single, extreme statement made by one Israeli official and presenting it as if it represents the entire Israeli government's stance on Palestinians. A strawman fallacy occurs when someone misrepresents or oversimplifies their opponent's argument to make it easier to attack.
you do not seem to object to similar sentiments spoken re : Isreal being 'forced' to attack Palestine
I object to them on the grounds that Israel is quite obviously fighting back, not attacking. You haven't forgotten the cowardly surprise attack against civilians on 7 October, have you? The one well-documented attack with abundant video evidence where "certain saturday-morning cartoonishly evil behaviours" were expressed with the direct result of over 1000 innocent people killed and many more kidnapped? It would be so strange to forget this so soon and start arguing who attacked first and who is fighting back.
You can't ever be forced to attack, but if you are attacked and don't fight back, you'll be attacked again and again. There's only one way to deal with a bully (if for some reason telling the teacher doesn't work). You have to hit back so hard that the bully will remember the confrontation for a long time.
At the same time, Israel, unlike Hamas, has always tried to minimise civilian casualties (by "roof knocking" and now by these announcements about the need to evacuate). They do know that not all Palestinians are terrorists and they do care about innocent lives. I don't want to speculate publicly why they decided to turn off the water. Maybe they wanted to frighten people into evacuating. I don't know. It surely wasn't because they are "cartoonishly evil". Either way, they've now turned it back on. This is how they differ from terrorists. It is a pity that Hamas cannot retroactively withdraw its attack in response to the reaction of the international community. Although something tells me that they wouldnโt. After all, how else can you fulfill your promise to destroy Israel if you donโt attack it?
I don't know if this comment will convince you or anyone. But it seems clear to me that the OP is not ranting emotionally or being inaccurate, but has a clear agenda to support a terrorist group.
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"And yes, the entire civilized world, not just Israel, designates Hamas as a terrorist group (see wikipedia). Calling them "fighters" is either a sign of extreme ignorance or (more likely) an agenda." I can say the same for those calling HAMAS terrorist off course no one have to agree with me. Its their freedom of speech to call hamas terrorist. I never supported any criminal from Hamas or IDF side both should be punished equally according to international law if they commit any crime.
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Yes, I did want an example. You gave one. It didn't really hold water, given the accusation was that he explicitly supports terrorism.
He wasn't, in the same way that people saying Israel is just 'defending itself' while taking law-violating measures that indiscriminately effect the innocent populace without consideration. Would I then be accurate in saying those people are pro-warcrime? Or would it be more accurate to say they are responding emotively in support of (one) group of victims? We acknowledge CRAZY's bias, but we must also acknowledge this isn't a singular bias in the thread here. As I pointed out, they were replying to someone who just shrugged the situation off with a suggestion that Palestinians should 'just' get rid of Hamas if they didn't like it. Civility and common sense leave people while they are outraged, it doesn't mean they genuinely support terrorism or warcrimes, it means they are indignant and clumsy in their wishing to protect those they feel for.
(Edit : So maybe my long reply here is my own brand of lacking common sense? Because you too are allowed to be emotional, and to want to bite back at them, a fair play in such a charged subject? I can't claim to be pokerfaced and have zero emotional stake in this either. Still, I hope my own prickly tone isn't overbearingly rude, despite my objections to the post I originally replied to, you have actually been quite respectful and I don't mean to be demeaning.)
And no, it wasn't a strawman to "focus on a single extreme statement made by one Israeli official".
That official is not some low-end staff, it was the literal defense minister. And their statement was televised, and publicly spread, and not denounced by others in deciding capacity or substantial power (though I am certain citizens were alarmed to hear it). When the deciding members are openly and publicly declaring these things, and retractions / punishments / apologies / etc do not follow, that is at the very best a passive endorsement.
Meanwhile, taking the non-explicit words of a non-primary english speaker in a message forum, no matter how biased, and then claiming they enjoy terrorism through implication, does indeed pass as a strawman, given it sidesteps what their actual values may be, and erects the image that they are knowingly endorsing atrocity, when in fact it is far more likely they are acting on emotion on behalf of victims. Just as their opponents are. And to take a hardline stance on that response without then applying that same judgement upon those who take similar/opposite bias standpoints in favour of Israel's blanket illegal blockade, it would be a blatant hypocrisy and an equal bias to the one that CRAZY is being accused of, wouldn't it? So I mean, toss a coin or take your pick, strawman or hypocrisy, either or.
"Fighting back" has limits. In the same way that narrow targetted strikes can be given some benefit of the doubt whereas wide-scale incendiary carpet-bombing cannot, we could give the benefit of the doubt if they were to isolate districts or attempt to limit the gross effect upon the innocent population, but a total blockade that deprives the entire populace of vital lifegiving supply cannot. Any benefit of the doubt that could have been given in this case was further erased when the defense minister flew that huge red flag of dehumanisation, and it was left to just stand there by those in similar power.
And of course the OP is ranting emotionally! Of course they're being taken for a ride by rhetoric! But they're not alone in that are they?
The entire Palestine-Israel conflict is a muddled tumbleweed of atrocity, and that's why I don't even begin to venture into trying to itemise the wrongdoings, and why I try not to engage with people snarling at one another over which side is the truest victim. The non-combatant deaths are fucking awful no matter how we try to spin it, and I simply do not trust internet word of mouth to portray events accurately (much less MSM / interest media, which are always prone to war propaganda one way or the other). My sole concern is with Israel's dehumanisation and delving further into breaching international humanitarian laws, because I feel that Hamas's wrongdoings are suitably recognised and villified on an official / international level, whereas Israel is getting an alarming amount of sweeping support despite the citizen-devastating action they have taken ALONGSIDE the dehumanisation. -Compounding-. This kind of shit is how the way is paved for even worse acts, and now they have tested these waters and was given this response. Do you not find that alarming? Can you not see how this leaves a gaping opening for worse to be done?
I am honestly loathe to have to defend CRAZY like this, but while the judgement is directed at them in a manner that is not paired with similar judgement at those excusing and waving off other remarks, it rings false. An excuse to knock the ranting on the head out of convenience. If they need to be warned, punished or the thread locked, then it should be done on actual trespass / merit and not selective enforcement, y'know?
Ideally we'd have someone with a more even temper and be a primary english speaker to chart this course, as that would solve the worst of this, but that's not how the dice fell.
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I have sometimes wondered what would have happened if Ukraine had been much stronger than Russia and, in response to the barbaric attack last February, had attacked Moscow in retaliation with the aim of completely destroying Putin and his regime. This would certainly have a negative impact on the lives of many Russians, most of whom are not homicidal maniacs, but unfortunate people who were unlucky enough to be born in a bad place. And I would fully support a thread discussing their problems and the Ukrainians' excessive attacks, rightfully seeking to deal the most crushing and inevitable blow to Putin and his troops, but also hitting many innocent people. However, if at the same time the support for innocent residents of Russia was accompanied by calling Ukrainians terrorists, and was filled with other details of Putin's propaganda (for example, that Ukraine was to blame for the conflict and forced Putin to attack and that Ukraine illegally occupied Russian lands), then I would say that such a thread should be deleted and the person who created it should be permanently banned as a confirmed pro-Putin troll.
Returning to the sad reality, if this thread here was one that addressed the suffering of the Palestinian people and at the same time unequivocally condemned Hamas and its attack on Israel, with the clear understanding that Hamas is to blame for the current suffering of the Palestinian people, then I'd have no complaints. And I would be the first to agree that Israel's response is not ideal. And that while the complete destruction of Hamas must take place and is a top priority, Israel must also be much more careful not to become a villain itself.
Unfortunately, this is not that kind of thread at all.
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While we're dealing in hypotheticals, maybe in another thread someone might offhandedly diminish the firing of thousands of rockets into a heavily populated area, killing thousands of civilians, as "not ideal" and you would be outraged by their choice of words.
Or, someone might list the scores of abuses by Israel as detailed by every single human rights organisation reporting on Gaza, and say that the only way to deal with that kind of bully is to hit back so hard that they will remember the confrontation for a long time. That could be the phrase you objected to.
Or, dare we dream, there could be a hypothetical thread where nobody feels the need to diminish or justify the staggering violence from any participant in this insane nightmare.
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Thanks for letting me know i will make the change as soon as i will reach home.
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I'm disheartened, so many more Palestinians and Israeli people are going to suffer the coming who knows how long.
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LIKE i said earlier because of Arrogance and excessive power ordinary people suffers.
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I stumbled upon this video, it shows Jersulam in 1896, which would mean towards the end of the Ottoman Empire. People of various backgrounds coexisting, I hope for everyone that will be possible again sooner rather than later.
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YES once they lived in peace and harmony but then..... u know policy makers... Divide and rule...get profits.. Brainwash people e.t.c.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HmENXLFqzg
Hamas seems to have Attacked CIvilians in Gaza!
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Why you are soo focus on Hamas killing its own civilians(can be a miss fire too/can also be intentional/can be propaganda) why not concerned about bombing trapped civilians under siege. You can also open your own Thread to accuse hamas I mentioned it earlier. Thanks for the comment.
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You can also open your own Thread to accuse hamas I mentioned it earlier.
So you say this thread is only for accusing Israel attacking Palestinians?
I thought you opened this thread for awareness of Palestine, maybe i was wrong.
As far as i understand it, Hamas is not Palestine and every action taken against them, no matter from which side, is suited for this thread.
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so many irrelevant questions I MENTIONED EARLIER YOU CAN OPEN YOUR OWN THREAD.
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FEW(compare to before)Palestinian people are still alive right now its because of HAMAS resistance otherwise it was an easy prey for IDF terrorists.I strongly condemn killing of civilians on both sides. PLEASE MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD.
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i see, this thread is only for glorifying Hamas, thanks for clarifying that
PLEASE CHANGE THE NAME OF YOUR THREAD.
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I glorify nothing thats your own assumption. I said if IDF terrorists kills a civilian and a hamas fighter kills a civilian both should be PUNISHED equally.
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I said if IDF terrorists kills a civilian and a hamas fighter kills a civilian
no of course you don't, when for example you call one side terrorists and the others fighter, it's too easy to reveal your true colours
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YES FIGHTERS ITS THEIR ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED LAND. IF THESE FIGHTERS COMMIT ANY CRIME THEY MUST BE PUNISHED(according to international law) SAME GOES FOR IDF TERRORISTS TOO. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS.
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And suddenly it became Hamas land, not Palestine anymore
This thread should be named properly Hamas thread
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Illegal occupants got TERRORIST IDF and Palestinian people got HAMAS FIGHTERS. I cant clarify more. Thanks for your opinion.
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now that's a lot of hate speech, thanks for clarifying your opinion once again
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PALESTINIAN PEOPLE GOT NO ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE ON THE OTHER HAND ISRAEL GOT ALL THREE FORCES(IDF) AND PEOPLE STILL TARGET THE ONLY HOPE PALESTINIAN GOT. THATS NOT HATE SPEECH. PEOPLE ARE TRYING HARD TO TAKE AWAY THE ONLY DEFENCE FORCE( THEIR ONLY HOPE) PALESTINIAN GOT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT IDF TERRORISTS ITS HATE SPEECH. IT SADLY LOOKS LIKE "HATE SPEECH" ONLY APPLIES ON ONE SIDE ONLY.
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slaughtering civilians indeed looks like a task a defence force would do and not terrorists
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AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. IF THESE FIGHTERS COMMIT ANY CRIME THEY MUST BE PUNISHED(according to international law in international criminal court) SAME GOES FOR IDF TERRORISTS TOO. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS.
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Its not just my keyboard i am also broken by the response of people brainwashed by IDF propaganda.........
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considering how fanatically you act ... you have definitely broken before by something else
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Yes I have been broken many times.... sometimes emotionally... sometimes financially..... sometimes physically. Sometimes in hatred and sometimes in love.....
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Well it is because of Hamas right now that a lot of pain and suffering will be brought against the Palestinian people.
And you are right when you say that Israel has their share of doing the wrong thing that doesnt lead to anything but continued violence past and present. But right now what is happening is on HAMAS.
This is a Palestinian awareness thread so it belongs here.
The problem you are having with it is that it doesn't fit your narrative/view so you take it as an attack hence your aggressive reply.... why not this, why not that, why not concerned about that.
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How many times people want me to condemn killing of civilians by any means on any side. That does not mean demilitarize Palestinian side and let IDF terrorist impose siege and bombard Palestinian civilians. Removing the only defence(HAMAS RESISTANCE) they got against the Israeli terrorism. I don't take any thing as attack. People are repeating same thing again and again. Everything is mentioned above in clear words. Thanks for the comment.
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There you go, good that you can condemn what Hamas did to the Israeli's.
I also believe that laying siege to Gaza right now is not the way to go because Israel will be playing right into the hands of what HAMAS wants more deaths, more violence, more suffering.
If Israel goes through with their siege it will lead to the destruction of HAMAS and from that swamp the new generation of hatred will be born repeating the cycle of violence. Evil begets evil
As the cards lay now, it is an impossible situation to solve.
Israel is on the warpath.
HAMAS wants more bloodshed, they don't care about lives whether their own, Palistinian or Israeli.
And I don't see any other Middle Eastern nation who can/want to intervene to mediate and avoid the disaster that is rapidly approaching.
But let's hope.
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- Israel will be playing right into the hands of what HAMAS wants more deaths, more violence, more suffering...? imposing siege is a war crime under any condition. FOR HAMAS ISRAEL CAN COMMIT WAR CRIME AND PEOPLE ARE JUSTIFYING IT.
- That swamp is home to 2.3 million Palestinian
- Israel or illegal occupants is not on warpath they are on genocide(killing unarmed Palestinians). We know hamas is very weak in every aspect(ammunation/artillery/soldiers/armored vehicles/zero ships/zero fighter jets) as compare to israel. Let me simplify, its like a one sided match.
I am running out of words here..... I will not reply anymore Thanks for stopping by.
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Hamas has it's full right to kill his own civilians fyi? They are not some european liberal diversity wimps
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This comment exactly shows your true intentions.
This is the Palestine awareness thread. Not a Hamas support group. At least, you claim it to be. So why would you not care about Palestine civilians being killed?
Because it's Hamas killing it's "own" civilians? Does Hamas own the innocent Palestine civilians so they are allowed to kill them? Wtf?
I am all for supporting innocent Palestine civilians. I wish them all to be safe, just like I wish all innocent civilians in Israel to be safe.. But you condone it because Hamas does it? It shows exactly what you stand for.
You are now literally doing point 4 of the mod.
The title of this thread is "Awareness thread". Which makes it look like it was made to inform about what is happening in the Palestine. Not justify killing civilians, because they were from the opposing "camp". This goes to both sides. There is nothing noble in Hamas killing Jewish civilians, and Israel killing Muslim civilians. There is no "better" killing when it's aimed at civilians, or in disregard to their fate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeuNRaNGQr8&ab_channel=Channel4News
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Many 'progressive' people showing their true colours when it comes to condemning violence on civilians of one particular religion. Shocking to see how deep rooted and common it's become all over the world. Of course the war mongers and neo fascists were always going to spread their hate and are now joined by 'moderates'. It's not a difficult concept to want to defend innocent civilians of any creed from collective punishment (which is a war crime according to the UN and every human rights organisation). At least there's some sympathy being shown now across the world in the form of protests. Hoping for a peaceful solution without more lives lost on either side ๐ค There's a few charities associated with Red Cross and Children's fund which are also trying to get some support across.
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It's not even up for debate about who is the occupier, the history is there for everyone to see how Jewish settlers were brought in from Europe by Europeans and especially the British mandate on Palestine. Then slowly they were armed into small militias that with time started massacring Palestinian landowners with the green light from Britian and other colonial powers. The project was and still is a win-win for Europe and the US for reasons we all know.
There's a veteran Israeli war criminal from the time of the Palestinian Nakba 1948 who is 95 years old and has been appearing as of late in Israeli media on front lines giving young soldiers directions on how to kill anything that walks, no matter civilian or not. So, you can see what type of mentality Israel was built on and how they almost never changed since then.
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Why is this topic still not closed, and the author not banned for justifying terrorism and calls for genocide of Israeli citizens?
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I can go up with you all the way to Hamas.
I don't know enough about the Palestinians really but the only one I spoke to called Hamas a dictatorship.
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"A convoy of vehicles carrying fleeing civilians in Gaza that was hit by a deadly airstrike was travelling on one of the two roads identified by the Israeli army as โsafe routesโ to the southern half of the strip, according to analysis.
Video and pictures of the aftermath of the attack show 12 dead bodies, most of whom are women and children, the youngest about two years old, and several damaged vehicles.
The Palestinian health ministry said that 70 people were killed on the road, which was filled with traffic as Palestinians tried to adhere to Israeli orders given early on Friday to evacuate the northern half of Gaza."
Conflicting timeframes for safe passage communicated by the IDF, and the bombing of Salah al-Din Road, a supposedly safe route, have led many people still in northern Gaza to conclude it is not safe to leave their homes."
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"Israel โgone beyond self-defenceโ in Gaza, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi says, calls to โstop collective punishmentโ
- Israel โshould seriously listen to the calls of the international community and UNโ, Wang Yi tells Saudi counterpart in phone call on conflict
- China โcommunicating intensively with all partiesโ for a ceasefire, top priority is โsafety of civiliansโ, Chinese readout quotes Wang as saying"
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"Palestinians fleeing Gazaโs north face air attacks in southern Khan Younis
Thousands of Palestinians are fleeing south after Israel told them to evacuate from the north โ and then bombarded southern Gaza with missiles."
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what's odd in praising allah, the mighty god of murdering?
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Each to their own, I'm not going to defame anyone's religion.
I meant the part about "killing them all".
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what's odd in killing them all? did you read bible at least?
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@ikkiyakki
Allah the mighty god of murdering?
The Jews, Muslims and Christians worship the same god you ๐คก
This war is more ethnic than religious.
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please f*ck off with your underbaked wiki knowedge, which has nothing to do with reality
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"Israel-Gaza war in maps and charts: Live Tracker
The latest death toll stands at 2,382 Palestinians and at least 1,300 people killed in Israel since October 7."
Some interesting, yet highly disturbing data. Other snippets:
"Israel says it has dropped 6,000 bombs on the Gaza Strip since Hamas's attack on October 7, nearly matching the number of bombs the US used in Afghanistan in one year. Afghanistan is almost 1,800 times bigger than the besieged enclave.
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That's fucked up, maybe they should bomb them instead.
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Thats a high tech drone. Pakistan is one the best manufacturer of high tech equipment and i went to several defence exhibitions full of latest Drones,tanks,radar systems. Believe me thats a high tech drone footage equipped with THERMAL/Sonar vision highly accurate with high range operation capability. If hamas got this type of drone IDF is done. Its fake and another Propaganda of ISRAELI TERRORISTS. Why hamas will use these high tech drones for killing civilians while it can target IDF at long range from these drones. IT does not makes any sense.
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Your CRAZY IVAN shit-talk is incomprehensible, sorry.
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If hamas had that kind of drone capability its already game over for israel there was no need to cross over and try to free the occupied land. Plz dont madeup things and dont share random IDF propaganda links here. open your own thread and share those IDF propaganda links there THANKS.
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There must be some kind of misunderstanding, pls f off.
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Both of them are monsters. They're fighting over literally NOTHING of importance.
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It's hilarious how most people don't know the reality of the situation
While both sides are guilty of killing civilians
We can all agree one is a colonial occupier and one isn't.
Hamas is a millitant group that doesn't represent Palestinian civilians who are being killed in Gaza right now.
What I find ridiculous here is Israel is doing literally what Russia is to the Ukraine
Users calling for this thread to be closed while there is a Ukraine Awareness thread up
What's with the double standards?
This coming from someone who is neither a Jew or an Arab, and has served military time in Afghanistan.
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has served military time in Afghanistan
f*king loser..... came here to brag about your inglorious "servitude"?
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Have some respect you internet troll.
You're the loser here, you have no idea what my role was during my service or what I did for both sides.
It's not Call of Duty or any one of those stupid games that you consider the reality to be.
The fact that you're ignorant enough to only condem one side for civilian deaths and not the other shows the type of moronic person you are.
Seriously we both know you wouldn't insult me or say that to my face ๐
So please put the insults away you're not a tough guy and there's no point in being one behind a keyboard
Be respectful
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you wouldn't insult me or say that to my face ๐
well, maybe, maybe....... many words there from your keyboard, mighty net warrior!
so what are you doing on this site, useful guy? trying to hone your ptsd with game-hoarding addiction? i recommend alcohol
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I've hurt your fragil ego, I'm in your head.
Feel free to weep more :)
You're not worth my time, go find someone else on this thread to annoy, you've been here hours ;)
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what a whiney pussey..... no wonder you lost your war to subhuman donkey-lovers
but im sure decent people of Afghanistan are very grateful to you for your heroic deeds there - afterall you have {almost} saved them....
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I feel for my innocent brothers and sisters of palestine. Hamas is a terror organization that deserves to be killed but not with the innocent people who have nowhere to run. Hamas is the direct result of Israels illegal occupation and terror. The Israeli government is no different than Hamas. They killed thousands of innocent People themselves in a much larger scale and they dont shy away to kill more palestinians and make sad excuses like human shields. if the so called human shields would work then you wouldnt kill them. would you killa hostage if a murderer had one? no. you would kill the murderer and try to save the hostage. but what does israel do? they bomb both of them.
Anyone supporting the Israeli government is blinded either by hate or racism and cant just ignore the fact that it is an apartheid state that took away the freedom and lives of the palestinians. They are treating them worse than animals and they use this opportunity to kill as many palestinians as possible. making pathetic excuses and justifying the killings of innocent people. This is nothing new and this goes on for over 70 years. The world is just watching and doing nothing.
The double standard and the morally bankrupt western world who condems the inhuman actions of russia against ukraine is justifying the more horrendous acts of israel against the palestinians because the palestinians are not white and nor are blonde and have blue eyes . also they dont share the same faith. Sad and pathetic hypocrites all of them.
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''Hamas is the direct result of Israels illegal occupation and terror'' I 100% agree with every line of your comment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKSL6u5cNO8
The Israel Hamas War: The First 100 Hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFzUFE9vfvE
Israel latest: Israelโs invasion plan explained | Michael Clarke
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The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.
Today, Palestine theoretically includes the West Bank (a territory that sits between modern-day Israel and Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (which borders modern-day Israel and Egypt). However, control over this region is a complex and evolving situation. There is no international consensus concerning the borders, and many areas claimed by Palestinians have been occupied by Israelis for years.
More than 135 United Nations member countries recognize Palestine as an independent state, but Israel and some other countries, including the United States, donโt make this distinction.
(Source : https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine)
The 1993โฏOslo I Accordsโฏmediated the conflict, setting up a framework for the Palestinians to govern themselves in the West Bank and Gaza, and enabled mutual recognition between the newly established Palestinian Authority and Israelโs government. In 1995, theโฏOslo IIโฏAccords expanded on the first agreement, adding provisions that mandated the complete withdrawal of Israel from 6 cities and 450 towns in the West Bank.
In 2000, sparked in part by Palestinian grievances over Israelโs control over the West Bank, a stagnating peace process, and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharonโsโฏvisitโฏto the al-Aqsa mosqueโthe third holiest site in Islamโin September 2000, Palestiniansโฏlaunchedโฏthe second intifada, which would last until 2005. In response, the Israeli government approved theโฏconstruction of a barrier wallโฏaround the West Bank in 2002, despiteโฏoppositionโฏfrom the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court.โฏ
Hamas won the Palestinian Authorityโs parliamentary elections in 2006, deposing longtime majority party Fatah. This gave Hamas, a political and armed movement inspired by the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, control of the Gaza Strip. Gaza is a small piece of land on the Mediterranean Sea that borders Egypt to the south and has been under the rule of the semi-autonomous Palestinian Authority since 1993. The United States and European Union, among others, did not acknowledge Hamasโ electoral victory, as the group has been considered a terrorist organization by western governments since the late 1990s.
(Source: https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict)
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Before the British Mandate for Palestine, Jews made up approximately 6 percent of the total population. From 1947 to 1950, during the Nakba or โcatastropheโ, Zionist military forces expelled at least 750,000 Palestinians and captured 78 percent of historic Palestine. The remaining 22 percent was divided into the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
During the 1967 war, Israeli forces occupied all of historic Palestine and expelled a further 300,000 Palestinians from their homes. Today, Israel continues to force Palestinians in Jerusalem and the West Bank from their homes and lands, which are often taken over by Jewish Israeli settlers.
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Israeli settlements are Jewish communities built illegally on Palestinian land. Today there are between 600,000 and 750,000 Israeli settlers living in at least 250 illegal settlements (130 official, 120 unofficial) in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Israeli settlements are illegal under international law as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.
The population of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem is growing at a faster rate than the population of Israel. Roughly 10 percent of Israelโs 6.8 million Jewish population lives in these occupied Palestinian territories.
Despite being outside of Israel proper, these settlers are granted Israeli citizenship and receive government subsidies that significantly lower their cost of living. In contrast, Palestinians living in the West Bank are subject to Israeli military law.
(Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine)
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Writing a long post for the First time i know its not in perfect formatting but i just need to write this post for the awareness because western media is showing totally different thing. Writing this for the people of Palestine๐ต๐ธโค๏ธ๐ต๐ฐ. Stay Strong we๐ต๐ฐ people are with YOU!
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PALESTINIAN PEOPLE GOT NO ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE ON THE OTHER HAND ISRAEL GOT ALL THREE FORCES (IDF) AND PEOPLE STILL TARGET THE ONLY HOPE PALESTINIAN GOT. THATS NOT HATE SPEECH?. PEOPLE ARE TRYING HARD TO TAKE AWAY THE ONLY DEFENCE FORCE( THEIR ONLY HOPE) PALESTINIAN GOT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT IDF TERRORISTS ITS HATE SPEECH. IT SADLY LOOKS LIKE "HATE SPEECH" ONLY APPLIES ON ONE SIDE ONLY. IF HAMAS FIGHTERS COMMIT ANY CRIME THEY MUST BE PUNISHED(according to international law) SAME GOES FOR IDF TERRORISTS TOO. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS.
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๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtE9HMtiOc&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐ข๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ค๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISs0AwztGQ&ab_channel=PeopleBeforeProfitOfficialChannel
๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUqAAzn0oY
๐๐๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐: ๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ง๐ข๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyje3Jh8z9k
๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ฏ'๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIlm4-jJ_U
๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญโ: ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐โ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62XrIoEhx1w&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:
(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐, ๐๐๐๐๐ง๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ง๐๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=All88nZIKvQ&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฒ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐๐ซ๐จ๐ง
(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.
"๐๐ ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ" | (๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐) ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY
๐ ๐๐ค๐ ๐ง๐๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFiZN7ceVw&ab_channel=TRTWorld
๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐ - ๐๐ง ๐๐ฒ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeuNRaNGQr8&ab_channel=Channel4News
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐: โ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐กโ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEBqvMEFExY&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish
๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง: "๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTiOp9dw4Y&ab_channel=IslamChannel
๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ - ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnaOwZgPwE&ab_channel=Khan%27sNotes
Its sad to see some people are still supporting this genocide.["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wwAjeePOo
โWe didnโt do it! And if we did, it was an accident. And if it wasnโt, it was their fault anyway.โIsraeli Defense Forces Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnNgMmCM-JE
https://twitter.com/AllezLesBoulez/status/1714378224099053600?t=AQXbAGC_VYlMli4XyjySZw&s=19
Running out of words to see Pro-israeli butcher Terrorists doing propaganda here. Thank fully i am not brainwashed by western media. I don't believe on the fake edited video shown on almost every western media. I only believe in logic and technicalities. As experts say the area of impact of hamas rockets are 25m max, the bomb took out the whole hospital. Which is 10x bigger than the area of impact of domestically produced hamas rockets. Still These terrorist butcher are justifying/lying blaming hamas and making people fool. These butchers are not even Jews. Their own ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง: "๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐" said it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrDdal2gjI&ab_channel=TRTWorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emR64gEIn9k&ab_channel=TRTWorld ["๐๐๐ ๐"]
Israelโs history of 'lying' about airstrikes | The Big Picture S3E4["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9TwBqDe_I0
Benjamin Netayahuโs aide backtracks on claim Israel bombed hospital["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTghchUzjSM
'Anti-Zionist' Jewish rabbi calls for peace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuHgaTdysY
'Not in our name' Jewish people disowning Israel like Muslims disown ISIS and Taliban terror groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_LP7DyE_us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbwNAqllmoo
Was the Gaza hospital attack caused by a failed rocket launch?["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY
๐๐ง๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ฌ, ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ. ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐.๐ต๐ธ
๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ฒ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. ๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ซ๐. ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. ๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ซ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ.
(๐๐ก๐๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฏ๐จ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ )
[๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ซ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ. ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐.]
๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ข๐๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ.
I also want to know that if i spam/insult someone i get temporary ban. I reported few people who called me terrorist openly, abuse me and my family openly, insulted me in every possible way, continuously spamming my thread with thier fake IDF propaganda and still lurking around. Why they are not banned yet why there is double standard. Its been 5 days. looks like different rules for different people?. They can do whatever they want mods are favouring them? or the rules only apply on me?. I waited patiently 5 days.
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