I've now seen at least hundred random posts in this forum saying bad things about Games for Windows Live.

In over two years, I have never had even a single problem with GFWL. What the fuck do you all have against it!?

I just closed this topic because I got enough answers. If anyone wants to continue the discussion in private, feel free to add me as a friend.

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Well, I bought AoE Complete for 10c on GFWL so definitely nothing againt it :)

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^Same here haha (though I didn't get the code for another week since they ended up running out)

I also got Viva Pinata for 70c.

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Everything.

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Someone has a problem that I haven't had.

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM MAN.

Tone it down? "What kind of problems do people have with GFWL? I haven't experienced any myself"

The simple response to the revised question is that it's a very finicky program that suffers from many downfalls including optimization issues. (Network mostly.) Having read an article in PC Gamer years ago in which the lead creator of GFWL described logistical issues, the poor implementation and the lack of resources in the project.. it's even a sub-par product from the eyes of the creators.

GFWL can lack basic functionality all it wants, and that's cool- whatever. However, it's required to play GFWL games. A single player game doesn't need this overhead, and neither does a multiplayer game.

What GFWL essentially is: DRM.

What they intended it to be: Steam like service. (Background DRM- non-intrusive)

As someone who has had various GFWL errors over the years, it's never the same thing and the error is very descriptive. Using google for the non-basic errors results in Microsoft support basically saying, "Dunno man, you're on your own". At which point it's the community's responsibility to create it's own technical support. Usually a convoluted and barely related fix is the answer.

I envy that many of you haven't actually had these issues, but you might one day. Mandatory unnecessary overhead isn't the way. Have some empathy, it might be your turn next.

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I can't play Batman: Arkham City and Dirt 2 because of that shit.

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I have played through ALL the races of DiRT 2 and I can confirm that it works fine

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Most new games made after 2007 have controller support though. I play Test Drive 2 and MLB2k12 daily with a controller and no GFWL

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I can confirm that it is playable

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hmn

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GFWL counts and restricts activations too

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.. for you.

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It's playable, playing it right now in fact.

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that's the spirit

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Dunno, I use xliveless :>

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Haters gonna hate, eternal Internet law. Maybe we are Steam fanboys a bit, senselessly praising it and hating all other distribution systems. 'Stop Origin' could be most known example.

Myself, I like the fact that (example) just by playing Bioshock 2, I can get all it's DLCs for free. Okay, logging in may cause lags but ain't Steam laggy the same way when launching?

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But Origin sucks so it's justified

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Do you regularly use it? Surely not :). You can't say 'it sucks' then. Not sayin you're hateress but if suddenly Gaben exploded and Steam was shut, you would see advantages of Origin.

Or was your reply irony?

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On the other hand, I've just reminded one situation with GFWL in Poland. Microsoft launched Xbox and PC anti-piracy campaign to make more Poles start using their distribution system and buy genuine games. But you know what was the problem? GFWL wasn't enabled in Poland back then :). Well, it proved ignorancy of MS. Okay, Poles could use the system but with fake personalities saying they don't live in Poland. Well, that's why I didn't like GFW. Now? I don't care, my brother uses it to play Bioshock 2, I prefer Steam.

BTW! There is Polish localization of Bioshock 2, officially released but it is not available on GFWL... When you get onto the Polish site of the game, you can't even buy it - while DLCs can be bought. Ridiculous. I don't know if Steam supports the Polish translation...

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Or perhaps simply other distribution services aren't up to par with the ease of use for Steam?

For example, Origin (Previously EA Downloader service) had Bad Company 2 earlier than Steam. I asked Steam for a refund. Within 20 minutes I had one and bought BC2 on EA Downloader service. A year later and they had managed to corrupt their download for BC2. This corrupted download didn't get fixed for a year and a half. (Origin)

GFWL has malfunctioned on many levels for me as well. The most amusing was attempting to activate my Fable 3 DLC which resulted in a frozen GFWL download.

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That happened to me with every Fable 3 DLC and Harley Quinn's Revenge. Annoying as hell, eh?

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Oh god, that gif made me lol.

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Its crap, but to show some examples. Until recently online wasnt supported in my country and even now it doesnt support all games. It erased my savegames several times. Not even week ago it took me 4h just to start up Fuel because GFWL was causing it to show error that my hardware is not supported (which is bull, cause I already played it). There is no anti-cheat in MP games with it. It was randomly disconnecting me from live in middle of MP sessions. Updating sucks cause you have to start game, download it, close game, install and whole thing over again (some people say they had to do it 5x, 10x or even more times). But yeah because you are one of the few people with no problems we are just whinny morons with delusion.

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  1. In some countries GfWL was not supported yet it was possible to register the game. As a result of this, whenever you started multiplayer it told you that this service is not supported. You couldn't register the key on another account, you couldn't change your country in settings, basically many gamers had up theirs.
  2. It looks as if it was designed for consoles
  3. Who likes additional DRM?
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  1. What do you mean, additional?
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What do you think Steam is?

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There's games you can buy on Steam that require GFWL ontop of Steam protection. Example: Fable 3, Dirt 3, F1 2010-11.

Yo' dawg we heard you didn't like DRM so we put DRM on your DRM.

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And dont forget GTA IV.

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You have been disconnected from LIVE ... whut ok I can still play so I do not care! 5 minutes later. Dirt2.exe stopped working.

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Neveeerrrr happened to meeeee!

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Damn GFWL likes you very much!

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Do you want like a cookie or a smack upside the head for being a brat or something?

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You don't hit girls!

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Why not?

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Who says I don't?

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I have installed it and wanted to plaz Section 8: Prejudice. It didn't work. I had to update my windows and that took good an hour for 167 updates. That's not avaible for some countries, Poland for example. And that is freaking annoying if you have no net and wanna play game with that crap.

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if you have no net

Always worked very well

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I mean if you install a game without net connection and you don't have any net connection to register/sing in for that.

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Once you made an account it works fine

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You don't understand the concept of "No internet" do you?

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You could always make an Offline account and once you get internet you can just transfer it for online play.

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And what if you don't have any chance to get into internet? I know it's impossible for this time but it can be possible.

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Well than, you can't play with the updates?

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Because it's not Steam. And probably some minor stuff. I also never had any problems with GFWL other than that "not available in my region" error Steam gives me.

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Because it's not Steam

[[InsaneTrollLogic]]

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But it's true. Same hate with Origin.

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Go, monopoly go! Let one service rule the market! Best thing that can happen to the customers right?

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But Origin is spyware

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Steam is also in a small way. Probably half of the programs you use collects some kind of information.

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Because it is shit. Simple as that. Random disconnects and many other things. Hate that.

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I like how OP doesn't acknowledge any of these issues from other people just because "they never ever happened to him", i guess they're all figments of our imagination. Flawless logic right there

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him

Anyway, I acknowledge it but I only hear negative things here and I never hear positive things

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If you want to hear positive things, don't ask "What the fuck do people have against GFWL" ;)

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That might be because there's nothing positive about the bloated peice of toss.

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The negative might outweigh the positive. In the case of GFWL, the team that created it was never given sufficient resources or time to create the ideal product.

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Everytime i see your avatar i'm shot right back to my childhood. God damn it why did they show Arthur so much?!

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I hope to one day become a pillar of the community so everyone can know the face of fear and respect it.

BUSTER BAXTER.

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Buster will rule the world one day. I get to be Vice President!

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implying there are positive things to say.

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Strange thread .. Asking why people don't like GFWL and then on every answer that has logic writing "Never happened to me", "never experienced that" or something like that.. well you are a lucky guy if you didn't experience any problem with you GFWL.

I hate GFWL because it corrupted my saves for GTA 4 and for Gears of War.

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I've had a few problem with it, but not too bad. What bugs me the most is; why the hell do i even need it when the games are already using steam drm? Making legit games more complicated and annoying than pirated ones are not the way to go -_-

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Perhaps for added live support, gamerscore count...

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So epeen and shitty tech support from some guy in India? If I want that, I'll use Origin.

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GFWL=PERFECTION

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Good question. I heard many people complaining about it but I don't see why. I never had any problem with it.
I know it has some issues especially in countries where GFWL is not supported so you couldn't play multiplayer games.
But I guess the main problem is that GFWL is basically a DRM. But so is Steamm UPlay and Origin. And of course, it designed by Microsoft, the evil company, Umbrela corp bla bla bla.
But personally I don't have more problems with GFWL than I have with other platform-like DRMs. And from my own experience, Steam is buggier. But then again, I have more games on Steam than I have on GFWL.

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metoxys i cant tell if you're trolling or not. I'll assume your not.

You keep saying it works for you, you can confirm that it does this this and this, etc. Just because it works well for you, does not mean it works for the millions of other people who use it. Yes it works for the majority of people, but for the people it doesn't it makes games completely unplayable. So they are entirely justified in not liking it.

Personally I've only had minor problems that don't bother me(download trouble mainly), but i know many people who have nothing but trouble, it makes games they've paid for COMPLETELY useless. For people like me and you it's great, for others its the worst thing they've seen when it comes to their games.

So that's what their problem with GFWL is.

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I completely understand the "not supported in my country" issues but you can fix that with xliveless, I think

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The thing is, you shouldn't have to "fix it".

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dammit, why I am using such a long sentences when it can be written so short >:(

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Yeah, maybe, but for example I didn't know what this "xliveless" is, I don't know it even now, but why should customer search for something to fix the product that he legitimely bought? If something doesn't work when he buy it, no wonder he hates it. Especially if it doesn't add nearly anything to the game (product) he bought..

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Because hating doesn't solve any problems

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Actually, if enough people hate something enough, they can boycott it and it has an increased likelihood of being removed.

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The problem is that for many people, it just doesn't work right. Hating it doesn't solve it, but neither is downloading ramdom software fixes from the internet.

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Over the past 2 years I've used it for (Tinker, Game Room, Bioshock 2, Viva Pinata, Age of Empires 3), I've had no problems whatsoever with it, and I'm not seeing the problem either OP.

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Hi five!

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Unavailable in my region= no Bulletstorm(and other games) when it was cheap= it can go to hell. :)

And I don't think faking my ip to run it would have a happy ending...

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Over the past 2 years I've used it for (Tinker, Game Room, Bioshock 2, Viva Pinata, Age of Empires 3), I've had no problems whatsoever with it, and I'm not seeing the problem either OP.

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More hi five!

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Same here (I've played nearly every single GFWL on the market).

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Tried to play MicroSoft Flight... free game... After 8 reinstalls GFWL kept giving me corrupt files. I uninstall the whole damn thing and hated it ever since.

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I smell something Fishy :3 hey .. I didn't even try MS Flight because of GFWL >.<

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I haven't had any real problem with it yet, altough I've seen the horror stories. I do find it intrusive though in the few games that uses it. It also suck big time when a game bought on Steam uses GFWL for achievements. The interface for it is also a pain to use and it shows that they tried to extend their xbox platform on the PC without any real tought into it.

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Closed 1 decade ago by metoxys.