Difficult choice. both games wonderful games. the first time I see the game TALES OF SYMPHONIA. another game Tales of Zestiria for a long time in desired list. now both at the desired
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Man! You guys are so close! I wish I would buy it, ugh! Hopefully you all reach it in time :O
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I tried trading for many things, but so far i got nothing.
It's the only way because I can't afford the game price.
I have too Adventurezator and The Bug Butcher. I am disposed to do a trade 2:1 or 3:1 if is the case. But the thing is that i have the games in cd-keys and that make the situation harder
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I just realized that the Steam version is the V3.0, while the original game is not on Steam anymore, but you can buy it in other stores. But the price is much lower than Tales of Zestiria, so what you're offering is totally not worth it... I really don't think you'll be able to trade a cheaper game + 2 previously free games for Zestiria...
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Ugh, communications problems. Sorry. Since you didn't specify, I thought it was the original version.
When you said I have too Adventurezator, The Bug Butcher and other games that were free, I assumed both were free and you had others as well. I understand now.
So, the bad reviews for V3.0 seems to be that they removed some things that were in the original and are now a DLC, and people were upset about it.
The only person I found that wants this game is this. You could try asking for TF2 keys or something.
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http://blog.talesofgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ToZ_Preorder_DLC_Mockup_Vertical_V2b.jpg
As serious as a heart attack, yo.
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sure looks cheap :D (as a whole) lol but i'd consider buying it if it reaches 100% ... kinda 50% / 50% not knowing,
how many in numbers are left to fill the 15% (to unlock Tales of Symphonia - who cares for the Costumes ...)
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how so? i'd agree if it were to be put on steams banners/store front, as it is usual for AAA Games
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Steam won't let me purchase it T_T
It says there is a problem with the transaction (trying to pay with steam wallet). Could have something to do with me being on a holiday in a country from a different pricing region but I was able to buy some games few days ago. Gonna try tomorrow when I get home I guess :3
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Shouldn't have region lock in Bulgaria (I'm there at the moment), my steam is registered with Germany as region as I made it after I moved there and it was used only from there and Spain until now (had to contact support to change my region while moving which took months). I'm going back to Germany tomorrow so I'll try there.
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I think not, when I'm doing a purchase in the corner there is a box where I can select region (Germany/Bulgaria). Also from the looks of it I can't access any store page of games blocked in Germany so I'm using that store for sure.
Edit: Worked this time! Something must have been wrong with Steam.
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But idea is the same. Only thing that differs are rewards. I guess it's subjective but one can say that with Deus Ex you could get something nice while here you get what? Some swords and some skins. Sure there is another copy of that game, but 50% discount will do the same, and I'm sure we won't have to wait too long for discount like that.
You didn't really attached any image.
P.S.
Butthurt killed Deus Ex preoreder, it's no longer avalible.
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So you'd rather have DLCs than a game for a pre-order bonus because "itl'll be 50% off soon"? And how can you compare a DLC to an actual game as a pre-order bonus?
I don't see anything nice in the Deus ex pre-order...extra game mission and some packs? Just include those in the launch...
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Nah, I would rather have full game at relase, with actuall expansions that are created later because game was successful, not parts of the game that was cut out to make more money.
And keep in mind that I didn't actually compared full game to other DLCs. I just said that it's the same marketing strategy and it's just as bad as Augument Your Preorder. Buy our game without knowing if it will be good and we will throw some stuff on you. Wow, great deal.
I rarelly preorder anything (was long time since I did it last time) but as an answer to your question - yes. I would rather have some exclusive (assuming it actually would be exclusive yes I know that in case of DE:MD they wouldn't be exclusive) content, or even just some more missions, for preorder that second copy of the game. Some games drop in price very fast, and I think it's wise to wait for discount, maybe even -50%, before buying it. When discount like that will appear for the first time, all that pre-order strategy will lost any sense leaving people who spend money with some skins as only bonus. Again - wow, great deal. Keeping in mind steam winter sale that will appear soon and shops like GMG, which allows us to assume that there will be some nice discount sooner or later, I belive it's best to wait to see some non promotional videos and read more reviews that only sponsored (or not) ones.
You see, people go butthurt about preorder and stuff like that, they promise to never allow companies to fool them again, but then there is game like that and everyone forget about this and they change their mind for 180 degrees and start to throw monies at game creators. It's hypocrisy, and the point on my first comment was to show how we all (as a gamers) are just a bunch of hypocrites, often with double standards.
P.S.
Also, keep in mind that I have this game on my wishlist and I would like to play it someday. I'm not assuming that game will be bad, I hope it will be otherwise and all my concers are strictly about that marketing strategy.
I know that for most people here it's a good deal, because of chance to do some nice GAs with big CV but I was looking at this situation from perspective of a someone who don't frequent SG and isn't a 'game trader'.
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Well first off its not a 2nd copy of the game, its a different game in the franchise. And for the argument about waiting for 50% off, well same goes for the DLCs.
As for people being butthurt, I personally didn't care about the deus ex pre-order scheme and will pre-order regardless of the bonuses if I love the franchise. But I'm assuming the whole issue is that you get to pick 1 pack and have to pay for the others, making it a day 1 DLC.
Either way, tiered pre-order bonuses have been used for a while now on steam, they're nothing new. There are some who complain about them, but they complain about any pre-order bonus content, but the way Deus Ex did it, is different with allowing you to choose your bonus.
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Oh well, you got me there, my bad. It seems that I didn't check the steam page good enough and I made myself look like a fool.
"and will pre-order regardless of the bonuses if I love the franchise." Fair enough. As far as I know all the bonuses in Augument Your Preorder are avalible in Collectors Edition (or however they called it).
I know they aren't anything new, but that doesn't mean we should accept everything that is shoved in our faces. Maybe we frequent different sites, but still, from what I saw, there are tons of people who complain about things like that, and somehow it is always about big, worldwide corpos. Almost identical strategies being used by not so well known publishers or devs are okay. That was my whole point.
As for preorder content I think it differes for every user. Some will say it's bad that they don't give you anything, some may say that it's cool because they let you choose what you want.
I think we agree that we dissagree on some matters, but overall I have too say you are right about few things :)
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I know it wasn't directed specifically at me, but as one of the main advocates for preordering ToZ here on SG, I'll reply with my opinion.
First, what I think people don't like about preordering is that the bonuses are at times exclusive, and they won't be able to get it if they don't preorder. Sometimes those bonus are an important part of the game (main story DLC or some thing). That's what get people more butthurt I think. So, most people will say there's no advantage to preordering on itself, and they get mad when the publishers force you to preorder a game to get the whole thing. That being said, sometimes I also see some moves as shady and abusive, and as consumers, we can simply not buy it.
Now, comparing both Deus Ex and Tales of Zestiria preorders, it's totally not the same. In the case of Tales of Zestiria, the preorder bonus are cosmetic things, and the last reward is a free different game. You won't lose anything in the experience of Tales of Zestiria if you don't preorder it. The preorder bonuses are REALLY just bonuses. In my opinion, one should only preorder it in this case if they would get the game (or both) regardless, as it would make no difference if it doesn't reach the third reward. But it really is a nice bonus! :)
Also, as a fan of japanese RPGs, I hope the game sells well, so they'll feel motivated to bring more japanese RPGs to PC. I did a GA for Tales of Zestiria a while back to promote it, and I did the same for Grandia II, which was already released at the time and had no preorder scheme involved. So, to me, there's also the support that you're showing the developers, and it tells them: "Hey, there are people interested in this game/this kind of game", regardless of preorder or not. So, also, in this case, it'll be good (for what I'm saying) if people buy it after the game is released, but they can miss the chance of getting a nice free game.
Finally, most people look at the thing solely from their own perspective, but preordering is a way for the developers/publishers to guarantee some sort of income right away. That might help in many ways with development. It will also show your support (like what I said before, and potentially get a free wishlisted game when it's released, in this case). Of course, again, there are the shady deals that are just made to squeeze more money out of your pocket. I don't understand why people care so much that they won't get "weapons" or "skins" if they don't preorder, though, when that's the case... :P
BTW, now, you can always ask for a refund if there's something wrong after the release (like a bad port), so I guess we're protected in a sense too.
And, just to be clear, I don't think it's "worse" if you (or anyone) prefer to buy it after release, or when it gets on a sale. It's an option and a strategy. I do it myself for some games. Waiting for sales, you'll potentially get both games for even cheaper etc. But the message being sent to the publisher will be different, for sure. That might be the decisive factor as to whether they'll bring more Tales of games (or JRPGs) to PC or not.
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Well, let me start with some exploantion. I know my comment might sound harsh, but it wasn't aimed at anyone particular. If you, or anyone else who read this, felt that way, I'm truly sorry.
You might be right, but from what I saw, people go butthurt mostly because of unfinished products. I don't see any problem with preordering games as an idea. I see a problem with devs that promise quality that isn't in final product. I think that adding bonuses are, in many cases, just a way to convience people who was once burned to preorder again. I won't even start with DLC, because it's not place for that discussion :)
Well, I can't argue with a game from series that is given for free. Like I said in my comment above it was my big mistake to overlook the fact that devs are giving different game, and not second copy of ToZ. Sure, many will say that content of preorder bonus is better in case of ToZ but still I think we can say that strategies are technically same. Preorders with tiers. The main difference is fact that one received hate and second didn't. Would people accept Augument Your Preorde if last tier would have classic games pack or DE:HR? We will never know.
And you seems to look at optimistic site of preordering. "preordering is a way for the developers/publishers to guarantee some sort of income right away. That might help in many ways with development. It will also show your support" Well... I don't know. I prepurchased Hotline Miami 2, but it wasn't preorder since offer occured about week before steam premiere. Would I preorder it if I could? Probably not. Look at it in this way: number of preorders is high, money flows, we are laready at 50% of planned income, why bother and amke it even better, just relase it as it is. What will happen next, will happen, who cares. I genreally think it's better to buy something that is already created. Sure we have refunds but what about people who buy games in retail or on other platforms? Don't forget about them. Not to mention that two hours mark seems to be a little short for such a big game.
As for closure, I have to agree with "That might be the decisive factor as to whether they'll bring more Tales of games (or JRPGs) to PC or not." I just belive that they could (and should) do this in other way that tiers. Just give all bonuses right away, it should be enough to convience people to buy this game if they couldn't decide earlier.
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Well, let me start with some exploantion. I know my comment might sound harsh, but it wasn't aimed at anyone particular. If you, or anyone else who read this, felt that way, I'm truly sorry.
Oh, I didn't feel it was harsh or anything, and I didn't feel it was directed at anyone or at me, which was what I said! :D But as a main advocate, I thought I had the "duty" to give my opinion on that. XD
What was the offer for Hotline Miami 2? I'm not aware.
Look at it in this way: number of preorders is high, money flows, we are laready at 50% of planned income, why bother and amke it even better, just relase it as it is. What will happen next, will happen, who cares.
Well, that's not some nice attitude to have. If there's any developer that thinks like that, they're amateurs and deserve to be out of the industry. Maybe that happens more among some crappy indie "devs" (like those we hear controversies here on SG from time to time), but I think the case with big teams is different. Big projects are complicated, it's difficult to leave everything perfect, and it's usually a big struggle that involves deadlines, budget, expectations from the public, publishers and the devs themselves. And projects can fail, especially one that involves creative work. As a software developer, I know some of that reality. So I believe when there are problems, it's not due to a "fuck the customers, I've already get paid" attitude, but more because of development problems, as development is complex. Maybe I'm optmistic like you said, hehe, but that's how I see it. Of course, it doesn't mean they're exempt from criticism. Maybe if it happens all the time, something MUST change in the development process. You should always learn from your mistakes.
About people who buy the games in other platforms, I think most of them allow refunds, if I'm not mistaken? For the sake of information, in the specific case of Zestiria, this promotion is only available on Steam.
Not to mention that two hours mark seems to be a little short for such a big game.
What do you mean? 2 hours mark? What exactly is that about?
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What was the offer for Hotline Miami 2? I'm not aware.
Week or so before premiere game was already avalible for purchase on steam store. It had discount, nothing much, something around -20% at max, but for me it was great deal since I was ultra hyped to buy it and was already short on cash. It was in my library but I couldn't download it before premiere.
Well, that's not some nice attitude to have. [and what comes after]
Hmm... Well... How about recent Batman? IIRC version for PCs was rushed because of publisher, that didn't care about devs that supposedly informed that game isn't in playable state. Does that mean that WarnerBros are amateurs? What about rant with Watch_Dogs? I know it's hard to make games that are that big perfect but Rockstar somehow managed to do this with GTA V. On every platform.
I don't think it's about developers, not in most cases at least (shady guys from steam, I'm pointing at you). It's about publishers that don't really care about product but about income it will provide. This is the root of all evil in form of DLCs, preorders and microtransactions. I mean look at Konami. Great traditions but money speaks louder than history and they want to focus on mobile games and pachinko machines.
Greatest horror of them all? Dream team with Junji Ito, del Toro and Kojima? How many times we can sell it? Only one? Will there be microtransaction? No? Can we cut budget to 5% so you will make it mobile? No? Oh okay, that's cool. BTW project is canceled. Come on!
What do you mean? 2 hours mark? What exactly is that about?
Full info here clickity click to steam page/ And some quote:
"The Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store. Here is an overview of how refunds work with other types of purchases."
If you will play more that two hours you will not get refund. There was some cases where people claimed they got refund with bigger playtime or after two weeks mark, but they had to connact support directly, because refund system automaticlly refused them.
EDIT: As for refunds, for other platforms and retail... Well, maybe I was to fast to use it as a argument, since it mostly depends on customers rights in certain countries and good will of sellers. Unfortunatelly, most of them don't have good will.
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Yeah, I know that AAA companies have some history with bad releases, and it kind of happened many times lately. Games are becoming more and more complex with time, so the development process also gets more complicated. But that was my point when I said that big game development is more complicated, and it can fail. That's when they'll have data to learn some lessons and avoid that of happening again next time. Batman was broken, right? And they're fixing it, aren't they? I heard the last patch makes the game playable again. But I'm not looking into infos about that, so I'm not sure.
Not sure if you are aware, but the release of GTA IV on PC was really bad, and the game was broken for a long time. So, Rockstar is exempt from that either. :P They probably learned a lot in the process, though, and didn't repeat the same mistakes with GTA V. :)
Well, yeah... Unfortunately (?) companies are out there to make money. Some decisions are made to maximize this output (or even to just be able to have some output). I don't know about every strategic decision from Konami, though, since I'm not involved with their finances...
Ah, thanks for the info on the refund. I didn't know that. But yeah, you can't get a refund after playing the whole game. :P But I guess you'll be able to see if it's broken, not working properly, unless it's a very specific game breaking bug that happens during the game.
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Isn't it a shameless marketing strategy? It's clear it will reach %100, no matter people buy it or not.
Any case where a game didn't get all the rewards?
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Isn't that GOOD? :P If you believe it'll reach 100% regardless, the point ends being "if you preorder it, you'll get a free game". It's a marketing strategy, possibly shameless, but it's a promotion like any other.
I don't know if there has been a game where the rewards weren't reached, but then, I wonder if for the (big) games with no such promotion, if they sold enough to reach wherever goal they could have set? I think they're realistic when they stablish the quantity that has to be sold for the rewards to be reached.
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TALES OF SYMPHONIA:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/372360
Tales of Zestiria:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/351970
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