only one difference from steam-drm ... the price and diferents options to buy cheap games (daily offers,weekly offers and sumers and winters ofers).. and other resellers amazon,gmg...etc...
in xbox only one price and much expensive in any case for any game from pc
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Not quite. The X-Boner is more like a hardware drm. 3rd party drms would be software based.
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I don't know the exact implementation. But that means the publisher can choose the DRM for Xbox One and PS4
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Yep, but the publisher decides whether or not to use it. Just like with PS4.
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Trade-in and resell your disc-based games:
We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.
From that I gather that if the publishers doesn't enable it you can't trade your games. And even if they do it's only at participating retailers.
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Well, yes. So, it's the decision of the publisher to use that kind of DRM or not... Like i said.
Edit: Didn't read the last part. Yes, i very minor amount of DRM remains. I still don't get all the hate..
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Also having to log in once ever 24 hours is a MAJOR form of DRM.
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Not at all. Not even close.
These things don't fall out of the sky (its so only on XBone lol). These things cost money. A lot of money and time. This can be pretty big for many companies when they are deciding to implement such DRM. And MS have it there waiting for free.
Half of the negatives (resources cost) are already removed and just the other half (public reception) is there = Far more publishers will weight it in favor of using it.
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But you still cant let your friends borrow your game to play. only resell at participating retailers
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Well, duh! What did you expect? It is worse than anything it has been done before. Its in every single game. Its hardware-based. You need to be online every 24 hours. You can sell your games... if you have the buyer on your friend list for 30 days! You cannot lend your games! At all!
So duh, I think its very easy to see why they get the hate. Its far more restrictive than the others.
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That's why I said 'more like'. I didn't know the exact method to blanket "comes in the box itself". :P
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no the drm only refers to used games online, aka online passes, same thing as this gen.
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People need to learn that DRM=/=Always Online.
Digital Rights Management is anything put in place to control your use of something. There are numerous types of DRM, and ofc the PS4's games will have some form of DRM, just like every console, and just like the PC. No doubt they will use some form of SecuROM, or something similar, to prevent the copying of disks.
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Yes, DRM=/=Always Online, but it can, or it can be DRM=Sometimes Online... The new game like The Crew and The Division, will be Always Online.
An yes i'm now what is DRM, i was study IT... And Your example with SecuROM is poor, why? Becouse SecuROM required from you internet connection to active the product, and many titles was having activation limit.
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Actually, SecuROM has disk based copy control. There are two components to it:
1) Software, in the form of strong encryption, and
2) Hardware, in the form of a special signature applied to the disc during manufacturing. The protected executable of a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM title is tied to the signature on the disc by an authentication routine executed at program launch. If the original disc is detected, the program launches properly. If an illegally copied disc is detected in the local disc drive, the program will not launch and the end-user will receive an error message.
There is also the product activation version, which requires a connection to the internet for the duration of the activation.
Also, you said in the OP that Sony won't use DRM for their games. I very much doubt that. They will definitely use something to stop the copying of disks. That is DRM.
Also, always online is a form of DRM, not DRM as a whole. That was the point I was trying to convey in my original comment.
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SecuROM is a form of copy protection on the CD. It has nothing to do with an internet connection. Being always online is a type of DRM, but DRM isn't the same as always online.
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Always online ⊂ DRM. Reading above me it appears as that is what you were saying.
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This is just not nice sounding words saying "we're not changing anything about that" since 3rd parties have already had this kind of DRM control on consoles and pc. It's like UPlay or needing a Season Pass.
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Yes and no... On PS3 publishers invented online pass, and now they can make Play pass, it's there decision. They could do this on PS3 but they didn't do it,but now if games on X-box will be have this style of DRM then they can say that all players are equal and make special DRM for PS4 games.
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They said PS4 will keep the same business model as the PS3, so of course DRM will exists in some form, but not in the dreaded "always-online".
Go home, Microsoft. You're not fooling anyone
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So, games will be like they are on the current-gen systems. Sony didn't lie and I'm fine with that. If I wanted to play online, I would either purchase it new or buy a pass. Otherwise, I would buy it used or trade for it.
I understand why companies would want some way to siphon funds from used games, and I'm sure they understand why I chose not to buy their games. That's how a market is supposed to work.
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It will be worse than Steam. Steam lets you play your games w/o an internet connection to their servers.
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wait, WUT? NOPE NOPE NOPE. Steam does not need internet every 24 hours. And XBL will never have games as cheap as steam.
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Nooo it wasn't troll statment... In xbox one there will be possible to sell your games and share your game library with 10 people, so this is better then Steam. Ok you must check in every 24 hours, and it's something bad, but for example in stema when you are in off line mode in some games you don't get achivments so Steam forces you to play on line to get all benefits of playing.
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You can share your steam game library with 99999 people.
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that is exactly what I fucking said. Install steam on any computer you want. Download the games. Then put steam on offline mode.
You're welcome.
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This can be done on Steam, has always from what I remember.
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With deals steam offers this becomes little of an issue, plus is something well known and that has been like it for years, so no surprise there. You pretty much need to have internet to use steam, and internet allows the companies to control this.
consoles on the other hand are not rooted on the internet, and with the prices of console games, if i was a console gamer i would be concerned too if they 'changed the rules'
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Considering I buy Steam games for like 2-5$ each, i wouldn't really expect to get anything by reselling them... i.e. I got Tomb Raider for my GF for some 15$ on GreenManGaming weeks ago (and it was a "big expense" over our usual purchases), it's nowhere to be found at less than $35 for consoles today... so reselling games IS a concern when buying console games.
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Worst? Really?
Uplay might want to have a word with you. All the downfall of a license based drm system like steam, without all the added functionality of steam. Wonderful sorted list, moddable client, offline capable, "family" account sharing, integrated market features, and built in community features. Hell, some of the games you buy from steam, dont even require the client to be active!
Uplay disables your game if you lose connection -_-.
Also, buying a game and linking it to your uplay account is a fucking nightmare with plenty of chances of you getting fucked over.
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that is no longer true, you can play uplay games without connection.
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Yap, that I can agree with. Uplay is horribly buggy with several problems, lack of any meaningful features, does not have a simple activation process. Would be very happy if they simply left their Uplay plans. Desura is especially awesome because of mod downloading, and Origin is not really that bad despite all the hate.
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With Origin, at least you dont need the 50mb client installed once you download the game. Would be nice if you could have a listed view instead of icons :. They use to allow switching between a list and icons, now its just icons.
I think people wouldnt have anything to hate about steam if it allowed trading games and such, but thats been discussed in another topic, so I digress.
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exactly :P. Xbone is the only one with hardware-based drm(I mean drm as in drm that restricts used games and all that)
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restricting the multiplayer. And what I was relying to before is that I specifically stated that Xbone is the only one that has DRM FOR USED GAMES on a hardware/system level.
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Do you work for a tabloid newspaper or something? What a ridiculous title.
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Definitely. Email The Daily Mail, include a link to the thread, and you're sorted.
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Not bad, but for it to TRULY be from fox, it as to 1.) Include all of gaming in a sweeping blanket statement. 2.) Include some connection and swipe at Dems and or Obama that would link connect them to the Islamic agenda and the downfall of America.
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By actually supporting the developers instead of just paying 1$ for a bunch of them?
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It's just exactly as PSVita, you can have the game on a disk, but if you buy it on the PS store its linked to your account
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What more did you want them to tell you? They said their game discs are disc based and they don't require further authentication to your account. No one was speaking about PSN purchases, and apart from GMG, do you know any other place you can trade-in digital purchases? They owned the audience over MS with that and I honestly loved it, I was only wondering why the guy compared it with PS Vita in particular and not with the other consoles.
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you do understand that just protecting games from being hacked/backed up and such is a form of DRM. if not then every new console would be wide open to replication. the 360 was so easy to hack and mod it was a joke. i must have flashed 2-300 drives over the years. but people have the right to backup their purchased media i think
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No... You talking about DRM that will be in all games, the protection of disc and files are standards for consol brand. All games on a particular console are and will have the same type of security protection, so that's not the case in this quote.
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Third parties cant do whatever they want, they can only block online play on used games, not the whole of a used game, it is basically the same online pass system.
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Which means exactly the same as it has been until now, on consoles. He merely said it's going to keep the same idea. The DRM was in the hands of the publishers before as well.
Either a game has multiplayer, and thus a form of DRM (but you can still trade at will), or online passes. What's different then what we had so far?
THINK, BOY!
This is not the first time I hear this misunderstanding. Microsoft plants trying to undermine Sony? Haha.
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THINK, BOY!
In this generation console we have online pass, on next generetion we can have play pass. Yes you will could to sell game, but this will be just a disc. I'm just saying that on PS4 can be the same situation like is on Xbox One, becouse it's third parties decision...
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No it dosen't have to, imagine that devs implaing to the game uplay, and when you first start the game you have to active it in uplay sarvice by lunching a game and use activation code, you creat there your uplay acount and activate game. In this situation Sony dosen't support this but still you can use this game only with your uplay acount. No more used games, like on PC, i'm not telling that this is how it will be but this is possible.
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Sony only allows their PSN accounts to be used on the console. Just like PS3 had it, just like the 360 has their own account system. Then comes to be what I already said above, given there's only Sony's account and it's already been cleared of DRM. It's not possible at all, let alone probable. And you also make the mistake, like Microsoft does, of comparing digital with physical situations.
Like Miss Clinton said, you are overthinking it. Why? Who knows, besides you? But we don't care, we just want you to stop, because it's pointless and needless. You're wasting your own time and other peoples' time by spreading misunderstandings.
Seriously, let it go, and happy gaming!
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Nah, i'm not overthinking it. I'm just giving an idea, why? Becouse of all that drama queen with butthurt, people how thinks that think the PS4 is safe haven for games traders.
Sorry that you don't understand this, maybe it's lack of my english skills, but you clearly don't understand what i want to say.
And "Sony only allows their PSN accounts to be used on the console." No? In games you can access to thierd party accounts like uplay or orgin.
But Ok, end of subcject, like i'm saying i've give only idea about future, and only time will tell how this is gone be ;)
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Actually I understand very much what you are trying to say, and I'm telling you you're overthinking it because there is no way it can happen.
First of all, Sony said they are only allowing things similar to online passes.
Second of all, the main account and the only one that restricts the games are the Sony ones, you first have to go through the Sony account before getting to the third party accounts. It just doesn't matter. It's pointless to think so far.
Even if it were true - but it's not - there's not much you can do about it yet until the launch so not only are you overthinking it, but you're also overdoing it, and prematurely.
You can think on it all you want, but you're going to end up realizing you've wasted all this energy for nothing.
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You stop over thinking BOY!
"The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties, yeah, that’s not something we’re going to dictate or control or mandate or implement."
Thats pretty much whats been on the 360/PS3....
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That's what he meant by online code. The activation code. Just like you type your Steam-key to verify the game. Except, the console doesn't bind a game from a disk to an account, like Steam does. That's why they are even marketing the ability to simply pass on games at your will if you want to. The only thing publishers can do is charge you an extra fee for a new code to activate to your console. Basically, an online pass. Basically, like it's always been until now.
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Sony’s Jack Tretton said: "The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties, yeah, that’s not something we’re going to dictate or control or mandate or implement."
So NO DRM in games from Sony studios but third parties can do what they want ;)
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How i see this, , imagine that game devs implaing to the game uplay, and when you first start the game you have to active it in uplay sarvice by lunching a game and use activation code, you creat there your uplay acount and activate game. In this situation Sony dosen't support this but still you can use this game only with your uplay acount. No more used games, like on PC, i'm not telling that this is how it will be but this is possible.
Why i'm saying this? Becouse to many people talks like drama queen about DRM on Xbox One, i'm just showing that on PS4 it's to possible.
And no, i'm not fanboy, if i would gone buy new console i would choose a PS4, it cheper and more powerfull, i don't think in this situation about DRM. MS show future of game publishing on console whether we like it or not.
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I know how you love games with DRM, so here you go. Remeber you CANT trade this game, you CANT borrow it, you CAN only play it!
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