it looks like, is a misleading advertisement !!! it is good to be analyzed by the administrator of this site for this not to happen again because it is becoming common this practice here
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So here are step by step what you must do to get in the server.
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Swear allegiance? Please tell me that's a joke. If not then I;m not going to try for this again.
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Well I swear to nobody. I only swear AT people. :P
I don't need a wishlisted game THAT badly to jump through hoops and not even guaranteeing that I'll get a key..
Not to mention, I never got my verification email. And that was using TWO different accounts.
On the shelf like Twitch.
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Thank you. Finally got it working. Discord is such a pain. No wonder I never used it.
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I can't find #swear-allegiance. What should I do?
I've got rank.
Just keep posting until I get to level 1?
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The one after opening the invite link? I did that.
There's another captcha? Where?
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Where do I receive the giveaway?
I did all the steps.
It seems they are handing the keys but can't find mine
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I left and rejoined a few times already. Still can't see that channel.
If I fail the captcha, I should be presented with a new one, right?
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I can see the channel but there's no giveaway going on in it.
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They ask for you to wait. For most of the time, waiting means that nothing happens until it does. Also how do you fail a captcha that - for me - was literally "which picture has the cat" and there was a car, a dog and idk, a temple on the other three...
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I think I passed the captcha. But these captchas are not always easy. Some pictures just unclear.
Well, some said about PM. I haven't got one. Some can see the swear allegiance channel, I can't.
Edit: I've got that PM now and I can see the captcha you talked about. The captcha was very easy.
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This should be posted in the OP. If you go to #announcement, it says:
"If I'm not being clear, i will repeat it again.
The giveaway event is not happening yet. It will happen in a special channel only, and people who tries the command getkey in inappropriate channel, and I saw you? don't blame me if i ban you forever.
PLEASE BE PATIENT"
This was written 2 days ago (05-08), so we may get it soon
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Have you tried any emulator like Bluestacks? It's an Android emulator.
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That won't help for this tho as you need to verify phone number and you don't get that with an emulator
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Android emulators only emulate android [that is, the computer-side part of smart phones], and not the elements associated with phones. You can get calling/texting virtualization with chat/calling programs [eg, Skype], however, but as a rule that costs fees. Likewise, there are websites which offer a service wherein they can receive texts for you, but those almost always reveal the replies publically, rather than associating to any kind of account.
So yeah, any site that requires a phone or texting, and associates to any kind of account [versus, say, "text for a promo code!"] is generally a no-go if you don't have an actual [mobile] phone on hand. I think you can configure tablets for calling and texting, however, so that could maybe be an option for some? I don't recall the details on that, though.
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Turns out, this developer, Semisoft is from my country, Indonesia.
At least all these difficulties is to fight the bots. We all hate key-grabbing bots.
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From what i understand they still have plenty of keys left they are just trying to find a better way to give them out so bots don't get them all.
They gave away thousands before the giveaway bot broke and then gave away 1000 manually after that too.
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I see, though I think it's tough to sift out bots and multiple accounts on discord.
The "best" method I've seen to avoid bots/reselling is the direct activation onto Steam account, recently Cities skylines Parklife did that. Not sure if that's a AAA Company privilege.
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At this point, the "Deal" could probably be relabeled to "[FREE] Stress". >.>
Well, the fact that the OP already didn't include the [FREE] tag kinda already satisfies things suitably. :P
That is to say, the lack of the tag seems to be an acknowledgement (intentional or not) that the game isn't "Free", given that one has to pay with lots of effort and peace of mind to get it.
Well, on the other hand, it's basically a raffle at this point, and those aren't generally considered "deals"- or at least not meaningful ones- by the SG community. So there's still some argument to be made against the thread (thanks to the developer's remarkably sloppy handling of things). :P
Definitely'd be a curious thing if the direct account activation is AAA-publisher-exclusive. Though even if it is, there are other resources the developer could be using to distribute the game, most notably Steam itself.
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but you will still get your key
To be fair, I- and presumably others- still can't even access the server properly.
So.. not really? :P
Nevermind that it has gotten to the point where you're essentially paying in effort, time, and possibly even self-respect to further engage with the developer's metaphorical murder dungeon. Even if the server issues do resolve, it's probably best to take the chance to escape The Cube when it appears. :P
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Indeed. I feel sorry for the user who asked politely, and at this point I might just say f- it and give up with getting a key given from someone with that attitude. Or maybe I will get it, play a little and give a negative review (the game doesn't seem that polished anyway).
EDIT: to rephrase the last part of my message - what I mean is, generally I don't leave bad reviews on Steam even on awful games because I'm too lazy for that (my few reviews are of games I particularly enjoyed). This time though, if the game will prove to be buggy, with an unbalanced combat system and/or a mediocre story to the point of deserving a negative review I will give it one. Simply because the way that dev talked down to a guy who was asking kindly (and then he proceeded to show that reply in a public announcement just to let everyone know how powerful and fearless he is) is something that left a bad taste in my mouth.
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A simple "refer to the announcements" or something more neutral would have sufficed and would have been the more appropriate response.
There is no excuse for that kind of reply from someone who is responding to the public IF they cared for their image/customers at all.
Glad I left the discord from day one when it was clear the GA, the devs, the discord was totally unorganized to the point they left people spam text-to-speech in the chat and post nsfw materials non stop for hours.
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I'll tentatively yield the "don't be entitled" comment as a valid response to the "I should have an answer" statement but, geeze, "I DA BOSS. IMMA BAN HAMMER YA, BITCH" styled final comment is definitely an exaggerated and entirely unnecessary response to a simple, straightforward apology.
Add in that it's not the first time they've acted that way during this event and that all the issues they're complaining on being stressed over are due entirely to their own (and many) mishandlings and improper communication and.. well, hell, that's not even the whole of it. We haven't even gotten to the hypocrisy of the developer essentially stating "I'm allowed to treat you awfully because I'm entitled to do so, but you ain't entitled to shit, you hear?".
Given the nature of the promotion, this doesn't even qualify as a "My house, my rules" scenario. Rather, this is more in line with "I've arranged to hold an event in this public park and therefore I claim this park as my own! NO MORE FRISBEE THROWING OR I'LL THROW A ROCK AT YOUR FACE. ONLY I GET TO THROW THINGS. :lights the park on fire:" Honestly, it's coming across a bit unstable. :P
Honestly, this is just a fantastic display of "how not to engage with your consumers". Or heck, even just "How not to act in public".
I'd be somewhat amused if this all resulted in a heavy review drop based on the developer's conduct during this promotion.
Though somehow I imagine Steam'd just flag the review period, remove the reviews, and then suspend the users who upvoted the reviews. Because that's apparently how it goes, now.
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If I may change your metaphor a little, to me it feels like they've invited you to a pizza party at their college dorm promising you to have fun, you go there and find out that the dorm is a mess, everyone is running around naked and drunk, the dorm supervisor is unconscious because he also got drunk (aka the bot was not up to the task) and the people who organized the party tell you "You want pizza? YOU WANT PIZZA?! LOOK AT ALL THIS MESS, HOW CAN I POSSIBLY GET YOU A PIZZA RIGHT NOW? STOP BOTHERING ME OR I WILL KICK YOU OUT", all of which could be avoided if the party host didn't bring and distribute vodka carelessly without even making sure everyone would still behave (or, more literally, if they made a giveaway the same ways most devs do).
Three days later, they managed to kick out most of the aggressively drunk people but the dorm supervisor hasn't still recovered from hungover, and those who are left are still waiting for the party to start but if they try to ask the host he will jump at them like a madman. Sure, he's stressed and you are free to leave without being entitled to have the pizza party you came there for, but that doesn't make the host's lack of partymaking skills and rude behavior any less remarkable.
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Hmm. Fair metaphor. I'd also add "the host has a lot of hurdles in place to get into the party in the first place, making it feel discouraging to simply up and leave without making the effort" and I'd add some emphasis to the "jump at them" part, but otherwise it seems rather apt.
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This would have been a very different conversation without the 'i believe i should have an answer' comment. Imagine the commentary and interactions the guy has had with the "community" over this event has probably left him with very little patience for people who feel that they are entitled to have something from him.
This is the classic mistake of trying to do something nice, not realizing what you're getting into, being woefully underprepared, having a significantly annoying and or toxic community develop around it. Afterward, being left with a server that is barely usable due to all the spam and constant messaging from people who are still following the unedited original instruction of 'enter channel type command' who have not taken a moment to go read through the channels. Not to mention those who are there solely for the purpose of being disruptive because they didnt get something and now want to make trouble.
And then theres going to be the people who will then review bomb and leave negative feedback not based on the validity of the game, but the fact that the guy (developer?) got fed up with some of the people whom he'd interacted with. Been around for enough giveaways that I've seen this happen entirely too many times, and then people wonder why small developers dont do more giveaways. With that said there have been missteps along the way, and some things could have been handled better.
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The developer can be deemed fully responsible for every stress they're going through as they have full control over every aspect of it, the developer is acting far more rudely than the user within the specific example brought up within this thread [who, by the way, doesn't even come close to the typical concept of "toxic", the developer's actions are less justifiable than that of the user in question, and reciprocated misbehavior is not necessarily justified by the misbehaviors of a second party to begin with.
In short, not being a villain doesn't necessarily make one a victim (and thereby, while defending the developer may potentially be reasonable, that'd still only be to a point).
To properly defend the developer, you'd need to evidence contrition or at least respectful yielding to the other party following their misbehaviors (as, y'know, that user was readily able to display), as well as evidence that their progression was steadily influenced by outside factors over time. Even following that, they'd still have a fair share of lingering faults, the association of having engaged in immature and unprofessional conduct, and lingering responsability for misbehavior still exceeding that of the user within the example.
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There's nothing wrong with asking for an answer just like there's nothing wrong with replying with "pay attention to the announcement channel" if you think the person asking for an answer is being an entitled twit, and if he had stopped at "There's nothing in this world that entitled you to an answer" I don't think anyone would have a problem with his reply. I know I wouldn't.
The bit where he said he can kick and ban anyone he pleases for bothering him is what was straight up assclownery.
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They're probably annoyed at this point which is kinda understandable since this whole giveaway went out of hand pretty fast and some people just like probably DM them and demand the key like it's some sort of privalege.
But I agree that it comes off as rude, they could've used better words for it.
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there is a response. Just not the one we were hoping/waiting for
To be fair, it's never "Here's your voucher for a lifetime supply of free cake!", so I'm already pretty used to responses not matching up to the one I'm hoping for. :'(
nor a friendly one ;)
..sadly, pretty used to that aspect, as well. x_x
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it looks like, is a misleading advertisement !!! it is good to be analyzed by the administrator of this site for this not to happen again because it is becoming common this practice here
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Discord invite link pls or dev update? Can't find it
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Thank you for being helpful, but not working for me...
when I accept it just sends me back to front instead of their discord channel, which is odd, that never happened before.....
:( :(
Everyone getting keys and I only saw this now after being sick and no one willing to help out, except you. ๐ข
I don't know why it isn't working for me....
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Oh ok, too bad :( ๐ญ I missed so many giveaways last couple of days because of the flue. ๐ค๐ฅ
Such a shame cause I really really wanted Legrand Legacy, for years been on WL. :(
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Thank you so much, you are an angel!!!! ๐
Welcome to my WL ๐
It was still a hassle getting a key with following unclear instructions and their announcements.
Will write more later.
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So that everyone knows, this large-scale giveaway was not really meant to happen in the first place. The developer is an Indonesian company that intended the giveaway primarily for Indonesian players during the Covid-19 pandemic. The information was provided to only a fairly small number of people, but somebody leaked it onto reddit and thus to other giveaway sites.
Trying to make good on their plans, the devs & admin team decided to keep the giveaway going. As long as people were polite, they wanted to reward them. However, in only a few hours, their server grew from a few hundred members to over 11,000. And of course with a crowd that size, it was anything but polite. The bot designed to hand out keys quickly crashed from being overloaded. It was brought back up several times, but crashed even faster each time. The trouble was that not only were people requesting keys, but large numbers of bots were attempting to grab multiples as well. One person was even brazen enough to directly contact the admins asking for 200 keys so they could resell them.
This is aside from an initially large number of trolls posting propaganda and vulgarity with text-to-voice activated, and spamming various channels. The admins were stuck spending a large amount of time banning these people along with any bots they could identify.
In an effort to stem the tide and ensure only real people got keys, they attempted to hand them out individually to people in direct messages, but got flooded with requests. They delivered hundreds of keys for hours before simply being unable to handle the growing numbers. Further attempts to reactivate the automated distribution only resulted in more flooding by both humans and bots.
Because the number of bots was too great, they decided to temporarily lock the server to force everyone out, and reissue a new invitation link in hopes of only getting real people back. They posted the new link to be visible to all users in the server at the time so they could return. But of course, that new link got leaked as well. So they're still struggling to meet the demand. I'm not sure what steps may have been taken since then, as I did not reconnect to the server after that point.
While hindsight says that distribution via discord was a bad idea, it would have been fine if it was only the small number of people they had originally anticipated. They are doing their best. They were very polite and apologetic to everyone while I was in there on the first day, despite the crowd often being rude and impatient. I am very surprised they are still giving away keys, and there is no need to feel snubbed, misled, or betrayed if you're not fortunate enough to get one. They're a small team who just wanted to help out local gamers, and unfortunately never expected this overwhelming result.
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While I understand their frustration and condemn the hordes of bots and aggressive people demaning keys without any tact, there's no excuse to certain replies one of those devs has given even to people who were at least asking kindly. You stop being in the right as soon as you attack someone who does not deserve it.
Feeling "snubbed, misled or betrayed" because one didn't get a key is a wrong thing to do of course, and considering these developers lacked experience in knowing how giveaways (and internet in general) work, I'm sorry they had to deal with all this for what was intended to be a commendable small giveaway for fellow Indonesian during Covid-19 crisis. But I hope they also get to learn some manners and stop thinking they can treat other people like shit just because they have "godly powers" as Discord server admins and givers of free keys.
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^This. I can sympathise with what they went through from the flood of bots and trolls and having to deal with all the garbage that came with it, but when that dev turned around and threw it at people who had nothing to do with the problems they experienced then they become no better than the bots and trolls. I probably would have stuck around on the server because I had some really good conversations with people but after the behavior I saw from some of the server staff I left as soon as I got a key.
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Nevermind that if their aim was Indonesian players then as soon as they noticed issues, they could have simply released Indonesia-locked keys (and then handled non-Indonesian players in a more controlled manner, if still desired), so the first paragraph's "So that everyone knows, this large-scale giveaway was not really meant to happen in the first place. The developer is an Indonesian company that intended the giveaway primarily for Indonesian players during the Covid-19 pandemic. " aspect doesn't benefit the developer at all, in terms of offering them a defense.
Moreover, after the initial issue, they kept making issues for themselves by not taking enough time to redesign the event in a controlled manner. Instead, they rushed into ever more messy setups. Nor do they have grounds to attack the community, as that they're the ones who opened themselves up to it, nevermind didn't set the Discord channels in a way that prevented chatting (if they were to the point where they were snapping at most everyone to begin with). "I keep going to a place that's bad for me and engaging with people who are bad for me even though I have full abilities to change those circumstances, but it's actually entirely their fault" just doesn't work as a vaild argument.
Heck, that setup is in line with the mentality of someone who decides to have a child, then screams at the child for being too loud and insisting that their existence is their own fault, and yet refuses to ever hire a babysitter to mitigate their stresses. (Though, of course, this situation isn't comparable to that same level of inexusable conduct and irrationality.)
Those factors, in conjunction to what you mentioned, means that if we take Dave's post as a defense rather than just as an informative post, then only the second and third paragraphs would have any weight (as far as contributing to a defense). And since none of us are arguing against the "the developer had a mishap in their initial giveaway plans and shut down things as a response to that" aspect, it's not a defense with any bearing to the elements we're actually criticizing: That is, the developer's continued bungling, escalating (and ever more unreasonable) hostility, and self-sabotage they weren't willing to take credit for, following the initial circumstance.
As far as I know, the developer never scaled their behavior up to ttruly deplorable levels, nor have I seen anyone indicate that level of criticism towards the developer. So, as I noted before, it's not a matter of the developer being taken as a villain, or anyone being out for their head. Simply, it's the fact that the developer inarguably acted unprofessionally, regardless of whatever justifications they may feel they had, and that they have some degree of accountability for that.
Even if a better defense could be offered for the developer, it still wouldn't get them out of owing an apology and out of deserving lingering criticism, however mild. I mean, unless their account was hijacked, that'd probably work as a full defense. Can even try and pull the whole "That's not me in that photo, even though it's clearly me in that photo!" defense Trump has been throwing out of late. [>>] :P
To put things in another way, if a child throws an explosive temper tantrum because he didn't get a cookie, even though he had been misled into thinking he'd get a cookie beforehand, then his disappointment would be justified but his behavior would still be inappropriate to the level where it should be criticized and emphasized as needing to be controlled for the future. Saying the developer deserved a cookie [let's say, that represents that they were inexperienced on multiple fronts?] or that the developer didn't punch anyone in the face helps, but it doesn't counter the fact that the presented behavior was still out of line and needs to be corrected.
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yay, got mine a few minutes ago, damn, that was a hell of a ride, but finally... thanks for the info tho!
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