Steam itself is a DRM, you know that right? "boycot-drm" group short name isn't so accurate on Steam :D
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Maybe it should be boycott broken/invasive DRM?
Though I don't know if Uplay is still a problem, haven't heard anything good or bad recently. :s
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It does at least not have daily outages, unlike a certain other DRM-service...
Not fond of Ubisoft, but Uplay has worked better than stem as of late.
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Ooh burn.
Have to agree, routine maintenance I get but it does seem a tad more than that and Valve don't seem very good with communicating what the problem is even after events. :(
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Yeah, they could not even bother giving a response to what actually happened at Christmas through any of their own channels. Can't say I'm particularly happy with Valve right now.
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I think Valve only gave a response to Kotaku? Which I never actually looked up because by that point several youtubers had explained what actually happened and did so extremely well.
Can't fault people for being unhappy with services that quite simply aren't there.
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The source I found quoted PC gamer, though it's possible that PC gamer quoted Kotaku. And the quote from Valve was very evasive, and not entirely honest about the scope of the issue. Issues like this make me far more prone to use other services, like GOG or Origin (apart from some questionable DLC, EA has really not done anything big that annoys me as of late).
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They all seem quote each other, I wouldn't know what the actual source is.
I swear every Valve says and does is evasive, very closed off from everything and then, wham, all of a sudden, some big thing happens.
For some to use other services for others it will just be straight up pirating. I stopped buying things direct from steam a long while back, just floating on what money market transactions give, alternative stores and bundles. However, I think people who do this are still in a minority.
GOG is great though. :)
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They released a statement, it's in the News section
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group-name was probably taken ... as boycot drm in drm would be more befitting
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Steam is not DRM. The Steam API includes DRM functions and publishers can choose to use them.
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99% of the catalog use that, so..
Tell me a popular game on Steam that you can store on an usb and then you can play on another PC without Internet and Steam client.
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You certainly have a point, although with the mass of indie and shovelware currently on sale, I don't think 99% is an accurate figure.
I am not in denial, most games use DRM features from Steam, certainly all the big ones. However, I find it very unintrusive and harmless and completely acceptable. Don't think I am a fan of DRM in general, far from it. What I said only applies to Steam.
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Fallout 1 & 2, Doom 1 & 2, Final Doom, Wolfenstein 3d
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I meant the games from current millennia as popular :p
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Just because most use the DRM function doesn't make steam itself DRM
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What does it make Steam then? DRM-free heaven? :D Come on let's not fool ourselves, Steam is a DRM. Yet I own 2k games on it and I won't stop using it.
Though I don't care about DRM, I almost use every platform on PC. Origin, b.net, Uplay, GamersGate (which also uses DRM on their downloaders). and DRM-free stores like GOG and Humble Bundle. However I don't understand ppl who hate DRM so much, they don't even play their favourite games like Mass Effect 3 on Origin, yet they love Steam and defend it in every possible way :)
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What? How did you even get that from what I wrote?
I only said that steam in itself is not DRM not that there's no DRM in steam.
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Steam is a client based platform. How can it be not a DRM? Just because 10 old games from 1980 and 10 indie games from total 10000 games don't use api DRM?
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and I'll tell you a personal memory, between 2008 and 2010, I was living in an university dorm. They had a hardware firewall and only port 80 (classic http) and some of popular ports for UDP/TCP connections could be used. Even if I had 100mbit Internet, I couldn't login and play the games I own within this time period since UDP ports required for Steam were blocked. I had DRM-FREE dosbox games on Steam but I couldn't login and download them :DDDDD
So please do not tell me Steam is not a DRM.
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So only ~700 out of 10000+ games don't use STEAM DRM but we can't call Steam a DRM. Alright it's not a DRM.
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Isn't that why it says redundant DRMs? In the sense, there's already steam so why add another?
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1 DRM or 3 DRM's don't change anything imho. DRM is DRM, and if you're boycotting DRM's then you're also boycotting Steam.
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I don't use origin or uplay, so I don't know about them, but with the DRM steam also offers the community and discussions boards, plus an easy way to track achievements and there's the trading cards, etc. so it's a balance, the DRM is a bit of a negative, but there are also positives to steam. Btw, personally I couldn't care less about the DRM, steam lets me play my games on different machines without having to carry around the cds, that's probably the biggest incentive for me.
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I believe U want to have all your games on one account. so U don't need to have 4 accounts ( steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG) to play a game. U want all your achievements, screenshots ... to be on one community. actually I love Ubisoft games buy I never bought one of their games( I use pirated copies). because I like to have Ubi games badges on steam and at the same time, I want to have Uplay's new advantages like the points U can gather and Use them to get some Wallpapers or even buy DLCs
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<sarcasm>yes, steam should only sell games from valve, other developers should not sell their games on steam</sarcasm>
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Hard to tell on the Internet. If you see something, and it could be either sarcasm or stupidity, on the Internet, it's stupidity ~85% of the time
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Steam is a distribution platform.
If Steam were "just a store", then we wouldn't need steam to run a game now would we?
The train of thought of the OP is that you need Steam to run Uplay to run a Ubisoft game. Bit backwards.
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I find latest ubi's titles mediocre (for more than 5 years), so I don't really care
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URL: boycot-drm
using Steam xD
I only boycot EA because of the DLC madness etc. I don't have anything against Ubisoft. I actually like that they still offer their games on Steam. I would love to have no DRM, but that's not possible anymore with Steam's succes.
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if we want to purchase our games there we will
I agree it makes no sense having double drm, but for the sake of collecting and to have everything in the same place , i've been purchasing them on steam
Though i agree with that quote, no one is being forced to buy them on steam, you might even prefer to support ubisoft by buying directly from their store
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When you open a Uplay game from Steam, it needs only 30 seconds more to get into the game. Is it really that much that you wish to boycott Uplay?
No
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Exactly my thought. I get that people would like to have their games just on one platform, but U-Play is not as bad as many people want us to think it is.
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It just.... is. Out of the big three it's the worst, but on the other hand Steam is horribly bloated. I prefer the much lighter and compact Origin (superb customer support and prices that match my country, rather than the horrible 1$=1€ - even at -50% off Steam games are always more expensive than full-priced boxed copies I could get)
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Agreed. Origin is pretty good. But steam provides more info about the games you own, which just makes it a bit better (and of course the steam workshop) for me.
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To be honest the only functionality Steam offers that I use is the ability to download your games from their servers and have a batch of icons in one tab of one app. It's a gigantic shelf and nothing more.
I prefer buying boxed copies, but now almost all of them have a Steam key inside them and a token DVD so you can save x*4.5gb of bandwith, and then redownload everything because of the mandatory Day 1 patch.
Except MGSV. Fuck MGSV. It had only one thing on the disc. Steam installer.
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Lol, that's pretty bad. But I use more stuff on steam. Achievements are easier to track, I really like the card drops and it is usefull that everything is one place (although you could also do this with boxed stuff by making a map on the desktop). Now I think about it, it is indeed not much. Although joining your friends in game is a bit easier (for most games).
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While I don't care about achievements (anymore), the cards are indeed nice. I've bought several games already from card-funds only. Shadow Warrior, KOTOR2, and I think a few smaller games.
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I just use them to get badges (also giving me backgrounds and emoticons) and steam levels. I personally don't care too much about getting all achievements in a game, but it still is fun to go after some. It actually adds something to a game (if they are not too blend that is).
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I use them to make badges for games I like. I very rarely go above lvl1, though.
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It's much less than 30 seconds for me. Try 3 or 4.
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Maybe it would be helpfull if you put more on your thread then just a link. Explain what the group is about, what makes this group so special etc.
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Is UPlay still really bad? I remember at one point it was as bad as, if not worse than, GfWL.
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it's not. Mostly it works fine... not more bugs than steam, origin and co.
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I would - but i don't care enough for Ubishyte games to join - i'd rather choose
to never play them, heck i hadn't even bothered in the past to pirate their games.
Raged myself when i fell for a 1.8$ (ru-price) FC3 back in the day ... i had read the warning which i had not understood :D
and no one would exactly know what that meant, until they fell for it (unless they'd been using uplay before). Had expected
there to be a login > which you use once and can access their ubi-shyte through that login ... but having an entire additional
DRM only for 1-2 game ... felt literally like a betrayal, as one expects something bought on steam to be on steam.
Simple example > you go to Subways pay them for a Pizza-Hut-Pizza they offer and those dogs show you the way out, to get
your ordered grub at Pizza-Hut. This betrayal is what makes people furious - valve pulling a Money-Grub-360 over the loyalty
and choice the Steam-DRM users, by selling them out to Ubi-DRM. (lol)
Good for those who are OK with it or don't understand the implications. :D
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Why only UPlay? Rockstar and Square Enix tend to require third party registration/DRM too, and EA in some cases (most notably if they sell Bioware games outside Origin… but maybe even the Origin versions need the Bioware account).
Not to mention the craze of requiring perpetually being online all the time to even play SP, like Square did it and Blizzard loves to lock their games. This stupidity comes and goes for over a decade now, and they never learn that people hate it. The only reason Blizzard players tolerate it is because they have been "Apple-ised" to be fanatics loving every shit stuck down their throats since 1999.
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But AFAIK having a bioware account log in does not need you to have another program running while you play the game, you already have steam running in the background. That is the difference for me.
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True, it just needs another account. In that sense GfWL was like that too, even if it was running another DRM in the background (or, well, sometimes in the foreground when the log-in window popped up no matter what you configured).
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diablo 3 requires users to be always online because of the drop system, so it's perfectly valid.
no need to treat their users like idiots because you don't understand how it works.
it's very different to the crap that ubisoft puts in their games like heroes 6, which could be played offline without issues.
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shrugs Non-MMO looters managed to have a working drop system in offline mode too. And I really don't understand all the hubbub about the explanation of it being an anti-cheat measure… in a PvE game that only supports SP or small co-op teams. The loot system excuse still sounds like that: an excuse.
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it's not an excuse. diablo 3 has leaderboards and they will be meaningless if people can cheat items and levels.
i don't care about leaderboards or comparing my drops with other people, but a lot of people do and they like the challenge leaderboards offer.
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boycot all you want but ubisoft won't remove their creation. they still make enough money and they don't care.
the only thing you can do is avoid buying their products.
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Which is what I do.
They argument at the beginning was, that it would make piracy harder by binding games to accounts.... but steam does that already. so I don't want, and shouldn't need, to have a second drm layer on top. I also have stopped buying and playing, cause I don't pirate games, Blizzard and those Square games that require an account there.
I tried to avoid steam for as long as possible, but caved when it became almost mandatory... but I'll refuse to use even more.
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i just find annoying that i'm using steam, buying games through it, and those companies force me to use their drm on top of steam. it's redundant. :|
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Yeah, I don't have a problem with Uplay, either. It's already on my system, I really don't care if I have to take a few more seconds to start up the game if I launch it through Steam. It's still faster than loading ARK :D
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Ive never had a problem with uplay or origin, that stupid rockstar social club thing is a nightmare sometimes though. But hey i bought the games so no point complaining tbh.
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Boycotting DRM by creating a group in a DRM system? That's smart...
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I like to support GOG as much as I can. I hate DRM.
Steam is unbeatable at this point but we can still boycott EA and UPlay crap.
I don't even have an origin account or Uplay account.
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I am yet to dislike any Ubisoft game i bought. I am also yet to dislike uplay- I think the rewarding system is better than or at least different in a good way from steam's archievment system. I always liked Ubisoft's games and found the difficulty just right.
So why again should I randomly hate Ubisoft?
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