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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4kMQ_PPklY Parkway Drive - Alone
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lol what. You just busted ourself out. I did give an example of a hardcore song in the 2nd link. And it's really hilarious from you to say that all the songs posted here are "scenecore crap". Some of the songs here are really good, if you don't like them, you can just fuck off and get back to the monkey gibberish you consider hardcore.
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If you think the bands you listed are real/true hardcore bands I feel bad for you. And before you say "Oh, you're just talking shit", all the scene kids I know listen to what you listed, in fact they listened to mostly everything listed here.
I'm glad I'm listening to "monkey gibberish" (yet you don't even know what I listen to. 10/10 on being mad) instead of crap like August Burns Red, Miss May I, All That Remains, ect. Chug chug and have fun in the (scene) kid pit.
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10/10 for the rage without any sense as well. First off pretty much only those who talk about kids are one of them, so you won't look tough, but silly. The bands I posted are popular and they didn't become popular due to kids listening to their songs or spending money on their albums, they just make good stuff ( every band has good and bad songs ). Also " all the scene kids I know listen to what you listed ", I'm really wondering about your age now, if you know sooo many kids, you can't be far away from being one.
Now where the hell did I state that I like the bands you mentioned in your post ? Maybe a few guys posted some of their songs, but I didn't pick them up because I fell in love with the band or the song, I did it because they posted another song(s) which I did like.
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But back as to what I was saying, this isn't real hardcore, and yes hardcore needs to be "hard" or else it wouldn't be hardcore.
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I could bet your next post will be like this ( 1, 2, 3 etc. ), anyway your first and second post say it all about the raging. From your posts I can only understand that all the songs from this thread suck ( obviously only in your opinion ) and we are all some lonely incults without any proper knowledge - you also called us scene kids ( here comes again my question, we all know that the internet is a jungle without any requirement, but are you something better than a kid in order to call others kids ? )
I did never say that someone posted a real hardcore song so far ( some did post a few nice post-hardcore songs though ), but I did say that the band in the 2nd link does have some hardcore stuff ( even though it tends to post-hardcore too ). In fact, these are the songs people did post with the name of the thread saying "Hardcore". What if the name was "Metal" ? There wouldn't have been anything else than alternative rock in here.
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The guy is obviously a troll, one that could be likened to those that go to a band's music videos on youtube and post obvious bullcrap about how the band sucks just to start drama. And from what I've read in his statements he probably doesn't even know what scenecore is. I know one of the defining features of scenecore is having the "scene" look, which judging by everyone's videos I know most of the bands definitely do not look scene at all. Musically speaking, scenecore is defined as being a blend of pretty much any genre that has a "-core" at the end (popcore, hardcore, crunkcore...) so the label of scenecore itself is inconsistently blurred due to the fact that if a band isn't just one pure genre and has one or more of the "-core" genre elements, then idiots and trolls label the band as scenecore because they don't know any better. So if the band is some kind of "-core" genre, then basically it mostly comes down to: Do they look scene or not? And you can do a simple google search of "scene" and do a comparison to those images and images of the band.
I'd love to see this guy go to a concert of any of the bands I linked and go up to fans telling them that the band on stage is an obvious scenecore band. He'd probably get the ignorance kicked out of him. The problem is he defines the bands as scenecore solely because the scene kids he knows happen to listen to them. He probably never stopped to think that maybe scene kids listen to other bands than just scenecore bands. I mean what if he saw them listening to Mastadon or Lamb of God, would he also assume that those bands are scenecore as well? Troll harder
Anyways I'd like to think I'd have a bit more credibility on the subject than this guy, with all his scene-kid friends, as I'm a music major also studying audio engineering and have been studying music pretty much my whole life. So I'd like to think I've been around the music block a few more times than that guy. I've learned to accept all forms and expressions of music (even that of Nicki Minaj and Justin Bieber) but to mislabel something is simply ignorant. And by the way, I took the liberty of looking up the bands he mentioned, August Burns Red, Miss May I, All That Remains, to see if they were scenecore (for example I searched "August Burns Red scenecore") and the only things I could find were people lumping them together in huge list of band names. So the same people who claimed August Burns Red and All That Remains were scenecore also claimed that these bands are scenecore: basshunter, blink 182, between the buried and me, dragonforce, dream theater, tool, death cab for cutie, katy perry, madina lake, papa roach... I about lost it when I saw someone post saying Michael Jackson was scenecore. So obviously there are many trolls as well as many people out there that just don't know what scenecore really is and are mislabeling bands as such.
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" And from what I've read in his statements he probably doesn't even know what scenecore is."
Scenecore is self explanatory. It's the "core" genres that scene kids listened to. It's what my friends and I use to classify the genre during and after scene kid fad. Of course you didn't know what scenecore is and you thought it was an actual genre because you googled it.
"it mostly comes down to: Do they look scene or not?"
No it doesn't. It comes down to "did they exist during/after the scene kid fad" and "do their audience consist of a good amount of scene kids"
"I'd love to see this guy go to a concert of any of the bands I linked and go up to fans telling them that the band on stage is an obvious scenecore band. He'd probably get the ignorance kicked out of him"
Yeah, by people who don't know about genres such as yourself. This is the "I've run out of things to say and/or I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm just going to bring up people beating you up" type of comment.
"The problem is he defines the bands as scenecore solely because the scene kids he knows happen to listen to them. He probably never stopped to think that maybe scene kids listen to other bands than just scenecore bands. I mean what if he saw them listening to Mastadon or Lamb of God, would he also assume that those bands are scenecore as well? Troll harder"
You're missing the point completely and I don't even know why you're honestly trying. Mastadon and Lamb of God existed before the fad and they aren't targeted for scene kids, nor do their audience have a decent amount of scene kids. How does that make them apart of the scenecore label? Scenekids also like NeverShoutNever and Jefree Star but does that make them scenecore bands? No.
"Anyways I'd like to think I'd have a bit more credibility on the subject than this guy, with all his scene-kid friends, as I'm a music major also studying audio engineering and have been studying music pretty much my whole life. So I'd like to think I've been around the music block a few more times than that guy. "
Oh lol the"I know what I'm talking about because I work with music" comment, and from what assumption do you think I haven't worked in music? Just cause you work with music doesn't mean you suddenly know everything about it. What do you expect me to say here? "Oh wow man, you work in the music industry now I've seen the errors of my way, let me stroke your penis"
"So obviously there are many trolls as well as many people out there that just don't know what scenecore really is and are mislabeling bands as such."
Such as yourself. Seriously you had to google scenecore. You thought it was a real genre, and yet I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about? Even the people I debated on Last.FM were quick to catch on.
What if this topic was talking about emo music and I brought up skramz? Would also think I'd be talking out of my ass and think it was a real genre?
Also as for the "he's a troll comment" just proves you don't know what you're talking about. I've seen this tactic get used a lot back on Last.FM when people had no idea what they were talking about along with the "Oh you'll get beaten up in real life" comment.
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So pretty much your whole critic on my comment comes down to 'assumptions'. No where did I mention I had to google scenecore to figure out what it is. I've known what scene core for quite some time now, it is rather popular after all. The only reason I googled "Is August Burns Red/All That Remains scenecore" was to see where you were getting your misinformation from. And again I see your ignorance comes from you and your friends deciding what to label scene core and what not to label scene core. Seems legit, you must be the high and mighty god of classifying music now right? And yes, you are by definition a troll, posting ignorant statements with the intention of creating pointless arguments. I bet you get your kicks by going on Last.FM or on youtube videos of bands and posting "this band sucks" just to cause drama. I still don't see any facts supporting your assumption that the bands on this page are scene core, other than because you and your friends said so. Whether you like it or not scene core is a label, although you might think it's exclusively used by you and your friends.
"Scenecore is self explanatory. It's the "core" genres that scene kids listened to. It's what my friends and I use to classify the genre during and after scene kid fad." - Still you claim scene music is just any genre with "core" that scene kids listen to, and you and your friends are the ones who label bands scene core. So for example if a scene kid listens to any metal core or hardcore band, you decide it's ok to label it scene core just for kicks and giggles? Ya, sounds about right. I bet you can get away with that crap on Last.FM where you must have a raging eboner as more ignorant tools bow down to your opinion. Try and see if you could get away with that crap on boards like sevenstring.org where there are a vast number of musicians from all different backgrounds coming together to collectively share knowledge and opinions and generally know what they are talking about.
Honestly it seems like your whole focus on labeling bands scene is if scene kids listen to them. That seems pretty flawed to me. You ever stop to think maybe scene kids branch out and listen to more than just scene core?
Also I never claimed to know everything about music, I've just been in the music scene for quite a while and would probably know a bit more than the average casual person. I've seen the music scene change so many times with styles coming and going and scene core isn't any different. And from your blind one sided arrogance I definitely could assume you don't work in the music industry. It's a cut throat industry and if you're so one sided and biased you won't get very far. If you wanted to work audio and visual at live performances you wouldn't just throw your resume at companies that only book your type of music. If you were smart you would apply everywhere. Like for me I'm not a huge fan of country, but when a job came up for a country gig I took it, I didn't say "no thanks, country sucks, only for country fags" which is the impression I'm seeing from you towards scene. You need to have an open mind if you want to be successful here.
And yes, I would call scene core it's own sub-genre, or at very least it IS a label, a conventional category, a classification, which is pretty much a genre/sub genre. Take prog-metal for example, it started mid to late 80's but wasn't classified as a genre/sub-genre till it got bigger in the 90's. It takes it's roots from heavy metal and progressive rock. See, I've seen scenarios like this play out in the past, where we'd see people claim that prog-metal wasn't a real genre until... bam here it is today a full blown genre/sub-genre. (inb4 you get your panties in a wad because it's a sub-genre, not it's own genre). You and your friends are no better than the people who mislabeled some bands as Punk music in the late 70's, early 80's and so on. Just because you see punk kids (spike mohawk hair, studs, you know punk) listening to bands doesn't mean you can assume that all the bands they listen to can be labeled punk. Well sounds like you're pulling the same crap with scene kids. So correct me if I'm wrong but here's the scenario I'm seeing: You're with your friends and you see some scene kids, they are listening to [insert band name] and you look at your friends and say "Dang [formentioned band] must be a scene core band as those scene kids are listening to it. Screw that band and scene fags" Sound about right? Because that's the impression you are giving off. And really how many of these concerts have you been to to have witnessed the masses of scene kids? I've seen quite a few of the bands on this page multiple times and I can tell you the majority of the audiences are quite diverse, if anything mostly consist of typical metal fans, not scene kids.
So you're not the first person to mislabel bands, and you won't be the last person to. So get your facts straight before stroking your mighty epeen as you below forth "I, the mighty god of music labeling, do declare that this band is scene core because my friends and I say so." You're trying to stand against the raging current that is the music industry.
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" I've known what scene core for quite some time now, it is rather popular after all."
No, it doesn't seem like it. Not one bit.
"Whether you like it or not scene core is a label, although you might think it's exclusively used by you and your friends"
DING DING DING IT SEEMS LIKE YOU STATED THE OBVIOUS...Briefly. I never made it out to be an actual genre, nor did I say my friends and I invented or were the only people that used the term.
"Still you claim scene music is just any genre with "core" that scene kids listen to, and you and your friends are the ones who label bands scene core. So for example if a scene kid listens to any metal core or hardcore band, you decide it's ok to label it scene core just for kicks and giggles?"
No, it's to separate the the original DIY punk community with the scene kid/warped tour community. I'm not sure if you noticed but these are two entirely different communities with the punk genre in common.
"sevenstring.org where there are a vast number of musicians from all different backgrounds coming together to collectively share knowledge and opinions and generally know what they are talking about."
Make this quote the slogan for the god damn site. 10/10
"Honestly it seems like your whole focus on labeling bands scene is if scene kids listen to them""
The DIY community doesn't get along with commercialized bands. Not sure if you've noticed
"You ever stop to think maybe scene kids branch out and listen to more than just scene core?"
Give this man a prize for his new discovery in scene kids. Of course I knew that.
"If you were smart you would apply everywhere. Like for me I'm not a huge fan of country, but when a job came up for a country gig I took it, I didn't say "no thanks, country sucks, only for country fags" which is the impression I'm seeing from you towards scene. You need to have an open mind if you want to be successful here."
And without much information about me I'm all of a sudden a closed minded person who only listens to punk. Really love how you assumed this.
"And yes, I would call scene core it's own sub-genre, or at very least it IS a label, a conventional category, a classification, which is pretty much a genre/sub genre."
It's not a genre it's a label. I've made that clear.
"You and your friends are no better than the people who mislabeled some bands as Punk music in the late 70's, early 80's and so on. Just because you see punk kids (spike mohawk hair, studs, you know punk) listening to bands doesn't mean you can assume that all the bands they listen to can be labeled punk. "
Just like you see a guy talking about hardcore music and all of a sudden I'm closed minded? We're not judging scene kids by their looks, but by their taste in music.
"You're with your friends and you see some scene kids, they are listening to [insert band name] and you look at your friends and say "Dang [formentioned band] must be a scene core band as those scene kids are listening to it. Screw that band and scene fags" Sound about right?"
Nope, Circa Survive isn't a scenecore band. I know some Scenekids who listen to BTBAM but that doesn't mean they're scenecore. Look at my previous post.
"So you're not the first person to mislabel bands, and you won't be the last person to. So get your facts straight before stroking your mighty epeen as you below forth "I, the mighty god of music labeling, do declare that this band is scene core because my friends and I say so." You're trying to stand against the raging current that is the music industry."
This is all pretty basic knowledge in the original DIY community. I'm sorry you can't google yourself a decent hardcore community.
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Next time read my statements a little more clearly. I never said you liked punk but I used punk as an example.
Also I love that you're still skirting around the fact that you mislabeled the bands on this page as scene core when there's still no factual proof that any of them actually are, other than you and your friends caught a few twats listening to the bands thought they were scene and assumed the bands must be scene core as well. (well there may be one or two bands on this page that are scene core, I haven't seen every single video posted to see)
And still, if you want to judge a band by it's audience I know from attending their concerts that most of these bands do not have many or any scene kids that attend. So I'm still confused as to why you would have audacity to mislabel these bands as scene core when clearly they aren't. Beat around the bush all you want but I still see no facts from you regarding these bands being scene core.
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Are you fucking retarded? Scene isnt a genre. It isnt a style of music. It's a label for a group of people. The image that permeates the band, and the style goes into the music as well. Do you know what scenecore is? It's an incredibly overbearing way of saying it's "shit." It's talking about the people, not the music. It's a label, its not a factual thing by any means. Get to know the genre more as opposed to seeing a few google searches here and there. At this point it's a cultural thing, and I do think it's stupid to judge a band by just the way they look, but you cant even deny the fact that it permeates into how the group acts, what they sing about, their styles and lyrical content, and even more. He isnt wrong. You're being incredibly close minded and have been harping the same fucking point going "It's not scene" when its the group they attract. The fucking bands THEMSELVES dress and act like that, because that's what they want to be. It's the same way ffucking straight edge kids have Xs on their hands or sex pistols fans wear leather everywhere.
It doesnt matter what a dude sings when he gets on stage. If you dont like his demeanor or the things he's preaching, why would you care about it? If it's something being told to a bunch of skinny jean wearing high schoolers, then good for them! It's for them! They like it and they'll stick with it! Scenecore isnt a label. It's a damn clique. There is no factual evidence or anything like that, it's what he sees the people to be, its what he sees the bands to be, its what he sees the music to be. If you dont think they're scene, then maybe you have a different definition of what a group is. At this point you both are going in fucking circles.
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"The fucking bands THEMSELVES dress and act like that, because that's what they want to be." Yes that's very true. Which is why I'm confused as to how he came to the conclusion that the bands on this page are scene. If you watch the videos almost all these videos don't show anyone that fits the scene description nor boasts any tone that resembles scene. Both of your descriptions for scene are not found in most of these videos. I say most because I haven't seen every single video but I've seen most of them and none I've seen had scene, especially if judging on looks alone. Fortunately there are obvious features that would distinguish a punk looking band vs an emo band or a reggae band vs a ska band, and in this case scene vs hardcore or metal or whatever else is on this page. It's easy to see these bands don't resemble the scene stereotype. It be like calling Incubus a country band. A simple mislabel. For example Maybe your opinion is Incubus is a country band but there are distinguishing features that point out the fact that Incubus is not a country band. Same thing I was getting at that most of these bands aren't scenecore.
"Scene isnt a genre. It isnt a style of music. It's a label for a group of people."
Wasn't referring to scene, but scenecore. This reminds me of when 'emocore' started spreading around. People started labeling anything with the hint of emo as emocore. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
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I love the hardcore scene, it's full of idiots accusing everyone else of being a poser.
Reasons why I don't give 2 shits about that scene not to mention it attracts the straight edge idiots.
And the hard core scene is already full of it, it sold out faster then punk.
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jesus fucking christ do you even know where straight edge came from and how it started out? Do you know anything about hardcore? Goddamn, some fucking people should learn a thing or two about proper hardcore punk.
Your whole conception of "posers" is delegated to all genres at that, with underground v mainstream murking rap boards, 50 different types of sub sub metal genres clashing, and indie-hipstershit-alt-college-post-noise garbage cluttering up rock.
You not giving a shit about it is a fancy way of saying "I dont want to learn about it."
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Straight edge a song from minor threat.
Happy?
FSU, that asshole gang of straight edge shits that fancy themselves security in the Boston area, which I am certain you dealt with in San Diego during the 90s?
It still doesn't change the fact that my statement is, everyone that identifies with a fucking core at the end of their subgenre spends pointless hours arguing about someone being a fucking poser, which thanks for proving my point cheers.
Hell look at the word vomit I was talking about above.
And I still stand by my statement that the "hardcore" scene owes the world an apology for giving us the straight edge movement.
Also dealing with a college algebra professor is screaming "I'm to fucking young to know what I am talking about"
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I don't if this songs count
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIiNEtfCs-U
but will always remind me of the Bionicle toys :p
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Vildhjarta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnaClnVnj_c
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSvFpBOe8eY dunno if this counts...
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Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAl3A2pYFhM
No invite needed though ;)
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The Fall Of Troy - Macaulay McCulkin
Giraffes? Giraffes! - When The Catholic Girls Go Camping, The Nicotine Vampires Rule Supreme.
Tool - Lateralus
Because fuck time signatures, right?
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Already have the game, just want to share some music. Here:
Black Flag - Depression
Minor Threat - Betray
Refused - Tannhäuser / Derivè
Botch - Mondrian Was a Liar
Converge - Bitter and Then Some << Best metalcore band ever right here.
Best shit in this thread, suck it.
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Here's something Click me hard, but don't need link, already have game
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Here's some hardcore for you (the electronic one, not rock ;) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW-itlS2Avk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdyvRrQ1_jg
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Seether – Rise Above This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP6JDLQF23g
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvVAc4EWbFg
Let's get some Gojira up in this bitch.
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Pantera - Floods http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td-v6vG2Xhs (my favorite guitar solo is in this one)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaQ_Csbrt8M
Maybe you'll enjoy this?
Things that rhyme with orange by I set my friends on fire
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I thought this thread had something for people who really like music. I was badly disappointed.
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Sup y'all. I got an extra key for The Basement Collection which I have no use for, so I decided to make a private giveaway for it. In order to get invited all you have to do is post a link of your favorite song, but it must fit into one of these categories: Metal, Metalcore, Post-Hardcore, Hardcore, etc. ( You got the idea ).
Here are a few examples:
Sienna Skies - Worth It?
Adept - The Ivory Tower
Still Remains - Stay Captive
As I Lay Dying - Parallels
The ones with the best songs will be added on steam and given the link to the giveaway.
EDIT: The giveaway is over, thanks to everyone who posted.
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