Do you care if a transgendered person uses the same bathroom you do?
I believe that it's ok if a transgendered person uses the same bathroom as I do. They were already feeling out of place when they were going to a bathroom of their "previous" gender. Now, everyone thinks that sex offenders will use it for their benefit. This surely won't be good for a transgendered person's psychology if they will ever call them a sex offender. :/
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I agree. I was just thinking what a huge leap of logic it is to go from transgender to sex offender. Two different topics entirely.
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i notice how the usual argument seems to be along the lines of 'male sex offender <airquotes>identifies</airquotes> as female, uses female bathrooms to get jollies', and seemingly ignores that, until now, those same persons had been using the mens' room around their sons/bothers/husbands, and nobody tried to pass legistlation against that. also conveniently ignores female <airquotes>sex offenders that identify as male for the same reasons</airquotes> in the mens' room
i also notice this wasnt as big of an issue as it is now until gay marriage was legalized nationwide.
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The whole controversy is stupid as fuck, I don't know why this is even a topic of debate. If you identify yourself as a man, use the men's bathroom, if you identify yourself as a woman, use the women's one. Not to mention that women have been using men's bathrooms since forever and no one had a problem with that.
Before anyone links that video with all the sex offenders that attacked their victims on public bathrooms. Well, Einsteins, that was before the law was passed. Meaning that if someone wants to abuse your precious child wherever they will do it regardless of if trans people can use or not their preferred bathrooms. Not to mention that the vast majority of child abuse cases steem from the close circles of the family( relatives, friends and so on)
But yeah, let's continue demonizing people who are suffering and fearmongering and discriminating people in [current year] Jeez.
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I don't care, won't notice and if a transgender man is or was there I never would have noticed. And among the many people in a state of panic over sharing a public facility with a transgendered person there are bound to be those who already have and never knew it. Because we don't inspect one another in there, we do what we came to do with as much personal and interpersonal privacy as is possible.
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Okay, don't know about you but whenever I have to use a public bathroom, I don't look at anyone. There could be a green alien beside me that is glowing and I wouldn't care.
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Exactly, when I use a public bathroom, you go to an empty urinal, you stare at the wall, you wash your hands and you leave. Total of human interaction 0% Maybe 5% if you have to let someone in/out at the door.
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Socially, you're not supposed to look around while you're in there anyway. Plus, if the transgender doesn't have a penis, s/he is in a stall anyway. If it's the other way around, there are no urinals in the women's room!
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Not to mention that women have been using men's bathrooms since forever and no one had a problem with that.
Men using the women's bathroom though....
I don't live in the US (where this seems to be the thing), if I did I might put forward the motion that instead of spitting bathrooms by male/female they should be split by penis / no penis. Since that seems to be the defining feature that people freak out over (apparently you can't be a sex offender without one or something like that ?).
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There are stalls in the women's bathroom and if you're really weird about it, because guys are on average taller just make the stall so it reaches the ceiling. Problem solved. Little private rooms.
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The whole argument feels a bit silly to me.
Not directly related but still:
High school student, 15, is caught on Snapchat having sex with 25 boys in campus restroom
If i were a parent of girls, i'd be worried ... about these kind of assholes.
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How does that correlate to transgendered people? Like at all?
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its a very recent toilet-tale from some school - how is that not related to the topic ...
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a girl, with or without mental health problems, decides (or not) to have sex in a bathroom with 25 other individuals, none of them trasgender but identifying with their genders at birth.
Tell me how exactly correlates with trasgender people using bathrooms.
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its about restrooms in schools - if you can have sex with 25 individuals there - just imagine what else could go down ...
obviously misuse of those venues, fuckers dressing up for pranks or fun or for whatever other purpose
if you can't see the relation, i can't help you
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But who will think of the children! D:
Well, apart from the several fallacies no the post, and that everything that you are saying can be done already, and that possible misuse should not prevent the people who need that law to be passed to have their own constitutional rights.
Or, just becouse Timmy drunk drives and killed a family of four no one can drive, or John took a SMG and shot up a high school americans can't have firearms (well, they shouldn't but that's another topic for discussion) or because Nathan gets blackout drunk every day and beats his wife I can't have a wine glass with my meals?
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How are things not working well if the law has been just passed and there's no data for it.
Not to mention that your idea is reaaaally good, you know who had to use a different bathroom too so that our children were safe? Black people. Damm it, isn't discrimination good.
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What? How I am discriminating you, this is a forum, if you don't want to have your shitty opinion rebated don't post.
I did not insult you ?, but if you want to feel like that, feel free.
Oh, the "wake up sheeple" argument. I was waiting for it.
Miłego dnia
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I'm sorry hold up, are we really using the women and children argument? Women are not these weak things that need their sensibilities protected.
Children don't give a fuck, unless you the adult point it out. They feel anxiety on those issues because of the parents. That being said, this is a non-issue and a stupid issue. The only people who really care are ignorant people and even though they might be the majority doesn't mean that we as human beings should cater to them. All this does is put women in an unfortunate position, of having to dress a certain way or god forbid they be on a bit on the flat side and we've got issues. If a rapist or a pervert wants to watch you take a dump or pee they will simply go in there and do it anyway. The better question is why are we punishing people who want to take a dump and piss? Public Bathrooms are uncomfortable enough without this need to get into everyone else's business.
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I'm sorry what does me having to be a man or a woman have anything to do with it. When they're the ones that are paranoid. Transgendered people have been using the bathroom that they identify with for years. They are people who need to shit and piss too. All because you and they choose to be ignorant of the situation, has no bearing on reality.
Men and women who want to sexually abuse children, and who want to spy on people taking a dump and or peeing, will do that regardless of transgender people using the bathroom that they see fit. They're breaking the laws regardless. They are criminals and the worst kind of criminals.
I mean honestly, if your family members are going to insist on this what about the Female to men people who are going to be required to use the bathroom? They look like men. Do all MtF look feminine no of course not but not all women look "feminine" to begin with. Just like not all men look "masculine" So why don't we mind our own business unless we see someone doing something wrong.
They used the exact same argument about gay people. Oh think of the children. They're going to attack you, it's not as if there aren't lesbians out there who don't fit the traditional feminine label. Again this is a non-issue and people aren't suddenly going to start getting raped in the bathroom, and children aren't going to start getting raped in the bathroom. Are there predators out there that are gay? That are Lesbian, of course but given how small those populations are to begin with and given that being transgendered is even a smaller percent of the population again this isn't an issue and again, them using the bathroom doesn't change the existing laws on rape, on peeping etc, those are still illegal.
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Many years ago there were restrooms like that all over the nation. They were labeled, "For Colored Only"
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I feel sorry for that girl. According to other sources she was actually a victim of human trafficking from age 13 to 15. Who knows what happened to her during that time, but it clearly had impact on her which is probably why she did something like this. And now she'll probably get called a slut or a whore for doing this which is just sad.
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It's all good :o
I don't understand all the drama about it.
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I don't mind unless it hinders my way to get my pooping done (I go when I have to and hope the queue is short one!). Public bathrooms aren't really a place where I would hang for long so I don't mind if someone has penis or vagina in the next stall :)
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^^ Reminds me of that weird Southpark episode .... here a lil teaser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urwnrnHexmM
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There's a lot of manufactured outrage in this country. It tends to happen whenever an election is looming. A lot of it is silly, and stuff that people forget about shortly after. But sometimes it takes a life of its own.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there really are a bunch of people in a room trying to come up with the latest issue to turn into a controversy, so they can do better politically; seriously
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Those people in that room have a name; it's the RNC.
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indeed although it wouldn't surprise me if the DNC did likewise
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I'm sure they do as well. Controversy and outrage tends to benefit the Republicans more than the Democrats though, so the DNC tends to try to figure out how to spin stuff, while the RNC tries to figure out how to rile people up over an issue.
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"So as you may or may not know some people here in the U.S. are loosing their minds over the possibility of transgendered kids using the same bathroom their children use in school" - Obviously spending too much time worrying about this instead of listening to their English teacher.
It's "LOSING" - Loosing is what you do in your pants when you shit yourself.
Reminds me of when Eminem's "Lose Yourself", was released - Everyone trying to get a copy of "Loose Yourself" - I nearly died laughing on so many mp3 forums asking why people were wanting a song about defecating in their pants and when my brother-in-laws were asking me to download it for them I almost broke my moral stance about actually buying music so I could tease them about it.
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It must be nice only having a small misspelling in other to feel all smug about oneself and totally dismissing a perfectly valid discussion topic.
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I'm more concerned with the fact that of the countless possible example uses of 'loosing'- which has a pretty generally applicable meaning of "releasing from temporary restraint, binding, tension, or confinement"- he chose a 'poop joke', even though it clearly didn't in any way feasibly apply to the actual typo in question [Nevermind that even in his first example, it would mean 'Release yourself', not 'Release your bowels'.]
That's a pretty unhealthy obsession. :/
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I believe that you are referring to Loosening rather than Loosen. However that does apply to "loosen a rope" or some type of binding - but that is not LOOSE - you are applying the transient verb - which is correct - the OP did not.
As to choosing poop joke you may be correct - though as the topic is about using a bathroom/toilet it should have been fairly evident that someone would make that connection.
"[Nevermind that even in his first example, it would mean 'Release yourself', not 'Release your bowels'.]" Not so - To "Release yourself" could have many meanings, from being trapped or in a cage or even escaping confinement in many other forms, whereas "Release your bowels" has added a noun to complete the sentence. Completely different from the standard "Loose Yourself", I was talking about.
However - It seems I have offended some people, and for that I apologise, I did not in any way mean to imply or lessen the impact of a serious question or topic that many feel is important - I merely wished to express the opinion that a more pressing concern for me, Personally, that the lack of simple understanding that is becoming more obvious in the use of the English language today is more upsetting, (again for me personally), then small minded people who seem to be worried about a topic that should be no-ones business but the person who feels uncomfortable about sharing a toilet - Has anyone suggested personal "porta pottys" for those who cannot share?
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In reply to this:
1) I don't feel smug about it - I just believe that in order to communicate properly, people should know the basics of the official language of their country.
2) A perfectly valid discussion topic - you are correct - It IS valid - I just don't get the hype over it. Everyone needs to go to the toilet - I'm sure that the majority of the world population have facilities that they share at home or in many cases workplaces with members of the opposite sex. As more than 75% of sexual assaults, molestations and general morally wrong and unacceptable behaviours occur between family members whether immediate or otherwise, I would assume that they would be more worried about what is occurring under their home roof.
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.>Communicate properly
.>Slight misspeling
.>The message still gets across
.>mfw
also official language of their country? Since when is English the official language of the US? Must've missed that memo.
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I'm sorry, you have lost me... "communicate properly"? It is spelt correctly.
Slight "Misspeling"? I'd like to meet Miss Speling - it would help with my "Misspelling" I'm sure.
Which message are you referring to? I believe that both messages have been received.
mfw? I have no idea how to respond.
As for "Since when is English the official language of the US? Must've missed that memo.", do you happen to recall learning "A is for apple" in school? Or perhaps "Hello"? The official language of a country is the one taught in government sanctioned/regulated schools for the majority of the curriculum. In Japan it would be Japanese. In the US, Australia, England and New Zealand it is English - In many countries that were once a colony of the Commonwealth of Great Britain (which yes, I'm afraid does include the United States of America), it is still the official language of that country.
And yes - I did just edit that to correct a spelling mistake :) Thanks!
Corrected it as requested! However - yours was the first "misspelling" ;)
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misspelling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States
Official language is the one legislated as such, you can have a de facto official language, but it's not written anywhere.
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I see by the you reference to the Official Language that the US does not have a law regarding that as yet - My apologies for assuming.
Considering the US has laws for almost everything else, I merely assumed that the country which was a colony, and had an overwhelming majority of English speaking people would have made it law.
On the other hand, I'm failing to see why you are feeling so offended with my post - In essence it merely agrees with your own, while trying to insert a little levity.
I humbly submit my apologies to you, and anyone else that may have been agitated with my revulsion of the regretfully increasingly butchering of the "Queens Tongue."
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No need to apology mate.
The thing is I'm a hardcore detractor of grammatical prescriptivism, it's a trend of the past. Trying to "preserve" a language as it is is a lost battle from the start. Just that; languages evolve and change, they are not set in stone.
Descriptivism is where the fuss is at.
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Oh yeah, that's a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll correct it.
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They also say that people would pretend they're transgender in order to get access to the other gender's toilet, which is just stupid. Why would they do that? So they can take a peek at someone peeing or taking shit? People with those kind of fetishes are a minority and they probably wouldn't risk getting arrested.
People should use the bathroom for the gender they identify as. After all it would be more awkward for everyone if MtF transgender person uses mans bathroom or if a FtM transgender person uses female bathroom.
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very good way of fighting someone who is totally wrong and irrespectful. Go down to their level.
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Why would I spend time to write a coherent argument when this person has his head so far up his ass he can see his lungs?
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Because behaving the way you do you are losing the strenght of any argument you were about to use.
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I did not use any argument, I just kindly told him to go fuck yourself, which is the correct reaction to his post.
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Engaging encourages and validates the delusions of such individuals, treating their mental illness as though it's an actual valid perspective. You have to acknowledge that the delusions, paranoia, aggression, irrationality- these are mentally ill individuals in need of treatment, not someone to engage, and thus encourage. Arguing with a mentally ill person is only going to lead to unresolvable conflict- and if there's no gain to it, you're not doing anything constructive with your actions. Does venting your frustrations through insults rid you of the stress of the situation?
If so, feel free to continue, but it's really just a futile action, like yelling at the sun for having the potential of giving you skin cancer. You're better off limiting your unprotected exposure, instead.
Rather, consider reporting the user next time, as staff will suspend for such behavior- and if your aim is resolving the matter in a satisfactory manner, I imagine that'll do more for you than simply encouraging them to spew out further nonsense.
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I know it's not the best way of handling this, but I'm kind of the "old man yells at cloud" type.
also it's not like an insult, but more of I dunno, pat on the head.
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Your fírst paragraph perfectly encapsulates how I feel about the"transgendered."
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Whoa, first transphobia, now homophobia. What's next? We're going for bingo ladies and gents.
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They don't need to know the word or its meaning to feel like they have been born as the wrong gender. Just like for example gay people don't need to know the word "gay" or its meaning to be attracted to the people of the same gender.
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You are saying that a 5 year old doesn't understand genders? Sexuality maybe, doubtful these days, but maybe.
But 5 year olds not understanding gender is rather preposterous.
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Gender has nothing to do with sexuality. I find closed-minded primitives like you disgusting.
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I do agree with the second last sentence there.
My son has a female friend of the same age, they are 8.
I recently had to give a brief explanation on bisexuality to my son because his friend and her older sister were talking about an apparent gender crisis that the younger one, my son's friend, is going through.
Whether she is actually feeling conflicted or not isn't for me to say, but I know their mother speaks openly about pretty much any topic with them.
EDIT: I forgot to include the fact that my son has had this friend since they were around 5 and the whole time she has been in this apparent conflict.
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Well, its not like I sat him down and had the birds and bees talk, he just asked what bisexual was so I told him very briefly that it is someone who likes boys and girls. I did not, however, explain any differences of "like", as in a boy who likes a girl or a boy who likes his friend who is a boy..
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Perhaps.
If we're talking sexual preference, there really isn't a right or wrong.
If we're generally speaking, she's mostly a good kid.
This has all escalated from her being a "Tomboy" so yeah, she is probably confused to some degree.
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I guess you don't have kids.
I guarantee that by age 5 they know what gender is - even though they have no idea about sex or sexuality or boyfriend/girlfriend, they definitely know the difference between boys and girls
And some already know they're the wrong gender.
Now, there are a lot of arguments I can understand, and get on board with, including some parents pushing their children in ways they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean transgenderism isn't real.
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Some people actually are born in the wrong gender, and know from a very early age that they're the wrong gender. In that case, that child will, upon growing up, choose to be the other gender anyway (and will undergo the appropriate procedures to do so). In such a case, it is better to be supportive.
Note that I'm not talking about a kid pretending to be the opposite gender for shits and giggles. And I'm not talking about homosexuality either.
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kind of, yes.
but one that cannot be "cured" or "fixed".
Approximately 0.3% of people are born the wrong gender. (compared to approximately 3.5% who are gay or lesbian).
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I agree.
A small piece of advice though: Don't waste your time, you won't find understanding on sex subjects in here. You will even be attacked for mentioning your opinion.
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Personally, I think it's better to have a conversation - people learn more by talking than by yelling. and, hey, if I'm wrong about something, I wouldn't mind someone explaining to me why I'm wrong
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This is the opinion i totally accept.
Personally, i do not accept the existence of transgender people at all. My beliefs are matched with Orthodoxy's beliefs. We are born in a specific gender and the One who decides that is God. The fact that some people think that they hold within themselves a different gender is pure work of evil and its propaganda and these are proved by fact.
How they are proved? 1) Check the percentages of transgender people in the western world and the percentages of transgender people in the rest of the world. There is a huge gap which is not explained. Why the western societies appear higher percentages? Is it because their people are "for real" pulled by their transgender nature or is it part of the way the western societies have been structured in the 20th century and the propaganda their people are getting all these years. 2) I've met people (they are 2) who used to be transgender and gay. Notice the word i use, they "used to be" transgender. They were both religious through-out the years, but as we know, many consider to be religious, few are trully. The very fact that they were going to the church did not helped them understand their mistake. However, ever since they went to their spiritual father and did a confession for the first time, they started to understand that there was something wrong with their belief. Through time, they realized that they had plenty of "evil energy" inside them (now, i refer to the Orthodox meaning of this definition and not to the one the eastern civilizations and beliefs use. The one the Orthodox Church uses means literally "devil's energy"). Confession is the key to get rid of that energy and this is why they changed their mind and belief over time. Please notice that no one ever pushed or forced them to think in a specific way. The same way they believed they were transgender, the same way they now believe they are not. This is what they have both told me. 3) Over the centuries, explorers have found aboriginal/tribal societies hidden within remote lands. In all these centuries, has anyone ever met a society like these in which people were transgender or gay? Never, as far as i know. Now, i consider. How is it possible? While in the western world there are so many transgender or gay people, why there aren't any in those societies? The answer is simple: these people are not exposed to western propaganda.
I don't have anything against transgender people or gay, i am simply against the idea/propaganda/false flag that is being written, presented, said.
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Transgenderism has had varying degrees of acceptance among Native American, Polynesian, and African societies, long before it was accepted in western society. Currently, Iran and Thailand lead the world in sex reassignment surgeries.
note that I'm purposely not addressing issue #2; anecdote is not evidence
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It didn't have varying degrees. It simply did not exist.
Also, because you may lie in your life does not mean others lie too. It is not an anecdote, nor a lie.
Believe what you want. Evidence are on the table.
this is why i avoid to get any discussions with the SG community. We live into 2 entirely different worlds
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I never said it was a lie. I said it was an anecdote. Anecdotes can be true, but are not the complete truth.
As for history, just look up:
mukhannathun (muslim)
hijra (india)
basaja (indonesia)
winagu nati (japan)
"two-spirit" (native american cultures)
In the americas, you can read the historical writings of Vasco Nunez de Bilbao or Pedro de Magalhaes to see descriptions of transexuality and homosexuality.
Now, whether or not it is "right" or "immoral", is a completely separate discussion as to whether it exists. Transexuality exists, and it has always existed. That does not mean it has to be accepted, and in many cultures, including yours, it is not acceptable. But that is different from whether or not it exists. If you find it disgusting, that's fair enough. I have no problem with different opinions. You want to invoke god to justify your opinion, I'm ok with that too. I'm sure that we would have many more disagreements when it comes to religion and belief. But don't deny the existence of something that has been recorded for over a thousand of years.
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The existence and naming of fetishism is not the same thing as acceptance of that particular fetish.
As for sex reassignment surgeries, people go to asia to get butchered on the cheap, doesn't mean the local culture is OK with it, it's not a mischaracterization to imply that it's only Western influenced nations, EU, US, UK, Commonwealth, acting like reality itself has been suspended and we can just identify as this or that.
This stuff isn't flying in Japan, China, India, etc. Many muslim countries will imprison or even kill you for publicly flaunting fetishism (And I do not believe that is God's will, as a former atheist+born again Christian, free will is paramount to this reality we live in, but nonetheless, yeah, many cultures are staunchly opposed to this.)
Only where lamestream media is king and god has this taken off, and I ask people why they believe the corporatocracy is supporting them politically, what's in it for them? Cui Bono?
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This isn't a fetish. Cross-dressing is a fetish, Water-sports are a fetish, BDSM is a fetish. All of which throughout the years have been allowed and accepted to varying degrees depending on the culture and where you were at. Transgenderism is not a fetish. Neither is being gay.
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The fact that you're ignorant doesn't change the fact that it does exist, and the way we see things now has changed due to science and people actually studying humans for decades. We know more about the human mind then we did 50 years ago and the technology and understanding will continue to exist. We understand more about human behavior than we did 50 years ago, because again we are actually studying it these days. And before you go on about how being gay and being transgendered was once considered a psychiatric illness, I want to point out that once upon a time slaves that wanted freedom were considered mentally ill. Because you know the brutal rape, the torture, was something that they should want. Never mind how we treated people with mental illness in the past. So let's not go there because on that front you will lose.
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If you want to choose to be ignorant, that's on you. Being a born again Christian doesn't actually stop you from understanding how the world works or being rigid in your beliefs to the point where you or anyone thinks that they know the will of god. You're being judgemental based on your ignorance and instead of correcting that you hide behind a book that was made what? Years ago in a time when women were considered to be property and it gave you explicit instructions on what to do after you raped a woman, where people who were mentally ill were said to have demons, and there is a talking snake. Where god makes bets with Satan, and fucks over someone's life just to make a point? But you have a hard time believing that god made people unique and different than you? This is where you have a problem?
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This isn't a corporate thing, this isn't even a lamestreet media thing, this is a human dignity thing. Which once upon a time I assumed was a Christian thing. Treating people like you wanted to be treated, it seemed to be the golden rule in all major religions. Somehow that has become let's judge everyone and pretend that we're holier than though. That we know the will of god, that we know how god wanted it to be.
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- Totally fetishism and deviancy. (Fringe should remain fringe.)
- Poor attempt to weaponize the word ignorant. Comparison of fetishism and deviancy to slavery, rape and torture... so if we do not allow identity politics to diddle us, suddenly we're the slavers and rapists and torturers?
- Another poor attempt to weaponize the word ignorant, peer pressure requires both people to be in the same peer group. Third attempt at weaponization(ignorance). You admit you have no care for bedrock foundations of civilization, and disregard such bedrock as ancient stuff we need not heed. You show you really understand nothing about the bedrock of western civilization which you dismiss so cavalierly, but instead make it sound like a 5 second Bill Maher soundbyte. Everyone is different, we are all individuals, and fringe should remain fringe instead of redefining civilization as a whole.
- Yes it's a corporate thing, media has fueled this more than any, seems like every single tv show and movie is indoctrinating fringe/fetishism/deviancy on some level, they are out to burn this civilization and build a new one on the ashes, and there are some prominent figures who've basically said as much. If you decide to commit suicide, should I try to talk you down? There is no holier than thou or breach of the golden rule, tackling someone about to jump in a lava pit is an act of love.
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Again, the fact that you don't know what fetishism is, is on you. But because you enjoy being ignorant let me help you by defining the fucking word: Fetishism is sexual attraction to objects, situations, or body parts not traditionally viewed as sexual. Does being gay or transgender fit into those situations, no don't be ignorant.
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You are ignorant, the fact that you can't open a book and learn about these things and sit down without making judgements based on preconceived notions and because not even what your bible told you. I made a point that what we considered to be mentally ill has evolved over time, that those who were slaves who wanted freedom was considered mentally ill. You want another situation where we showed that we have no fucking clue what we're talking about? Vibrators were given out as a cure for melancholy back in the day for women. Yes. Giving a woman an orgasm was considered to make her fucking happy. Which it probably might, if the people back then were so terrible in bed.
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Being a born again Christian doesn't automatically make you a tool. What makes you a tool, is making a judgement on how people should live their lives, when you are not God. You are a person, who is fallible, who by the way is not omnipotent or omniscient, so your opinion is well just that an opinion. There are born again Christians who go out of their way to help people in need, who go out and show that they love and care for everyone. They don't give a shit whether you're gay or transgendered, they are truly at the core good people. They teach love and acceptance, and more importantly, they treat others how they want to be treated. Remember the fucking story about Jesus when a group of people wanted to stone someone because they had sinned? Remember that story? What the fuck did Jesus say? Why are you acting holier than thou when you are just like those idiotic people who wanted to stone someone. But yes, I'm the Bill Maher, you know what. I'd honestly rather be Bill Maher, and enjoy my fucking life, and treat people with dignity and respect then be a miserable person who fucking minds everyone elses business
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This really needs to be said because your sheer ignorance attached to what can only be pure conspiracy theories, makes it difficult for me to personally take apart that you said. I will say that gay people don't want to see the end of civilization, they like civilization. Transgender people don't want to see the end of civilization again they like civilization, all they want is to be treated with respect and decency, something that at the core of Jesus's teachings. The people who do want to see the end of the world is by far the religious nut jobs who base their entire philosophy and predictions on whether Israel is standing or not, who don't really want to see peace in the middle east because once Israel falls or some shit, God's going to take a vacuum and suck people into the sky leaving the rest of heathens to burn. Let alone the other religious nut jobs who preach against education. It's like the lunatics who refuse their kids treatment to basic illnesses because they think that they can pray away the disease, instead of giving their children medicine.
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Gay marriage has been legal in Canada for years, civilization hasn't come to an end in Canada. It hasn't come to an end in any of the countries that had it before Canada.There are countries that have protections for transgender people, again straight people are still getting married, still popping out children, the world keeps moving. As for the natural argument which I tried to ignore, there are gay lions, there are gay penguins, there are gay swans, monkeys and lions and tigers oh my. It is seen in nature, unless you want to blame media on that as well because the swans are watching Fox news, and CNN, and MSNBC and CBS and the BBC, etc etc etc. Please crack open a book because I don't see how transgender people wanting to use the bathroom that they identify with is the end of civilization as we know it, and how that is the media's fault.
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Rampant ad hominem wall of text, I can't even be bothered. Learn to treat others with respect, instead of cursing at them and insulting them like a petulant child, otherwise it just ends with both people standing there beating one another about the head and neck with a trout.
The Final Word is: We're being indoctrinated by hellywood and the corporatocracy at large, to abandon reality for deviance and fetishism, not to mention abandoning the cultures of our ancestors. Entitlement, self-loathing, and general malaise of western society (for no good reason, as the west is the best to begin with) is being transformed into truly bizarre and freakish standards of normalcy, I mean if puns were deli meats, this would be the Wurst
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Calling you ignorant isn't an ad hominen it's a fact. You don't know anything about what you're talking about, and half the stuff you spewed was ignorant garbage. I wouldn't argue with a mechanic over which part was the best because I know fuck-all about cars. Nor would I say well I'm a <insert religion here>so therefore my opinion means more than yours. It doesn't.
Also showing youtube videos to highlight your point, from paranoid women, and arguing over whether a culture is better than others when the reality is all cultures have good and bad, and what we should be doing is taking the good from various cultures and rejecting the bad. The west had a slavery problem also a Nazi problem, we as a society decided that genocide was terrible, that slavery was shit, some countries later than others but we decided that. We decided that mutilating the genitals of a child, was absolutely abhorrent, that doesn't make the cultures that do those things terrible, it means that they have terrible aspects to their culture and honestly education generally fixes that. Also most of the problems arise from various religions infecting the culture so I don't really see what your point is.
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"it causes mental issues among other problems"
loooooooooooooooooooooooool. Okay. Denying them their gender can cause problems, most certainly though.
Also for the record you dimwit. The life of a transgender is difficult because everyone hates you. If you can explain to me why there's people in government making laws against people like me. People committing hate crimes because people like me exist. Why media commonly makes fun of and demonizes people like me. Why we can't get an apartment, or a job, or have difficulty getting proper healthcare because we're transgender. A lot of people think me a very kind person, but apparently that's all outside the window when it comes to being transgender. So if you can explain that, i'd appreciate it.
Also it's incredibly easy to raise a child that says they're the other gender. You just raise them and listen to what they want. Amazingly children understand themselves and can vocalize what they want.
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If it was up to me, we would all use the same toilet.
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Unisex bathrooms are the solution to all this useless drama. That's what stalls are for anyway, it's not like you look at other people peeing. I don't even care when a guy use women's bathroom for one reason or another, even though i witnessed sometimes some other women telling them to fuck off that it wasn't their place >__>
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I can see how that is a problem for women, who can feel insecure (or in danger) when sharing the bathroom. Unfortunately that's the world we live in.
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Yes but really it is not. As a woman, I don't see how you feel more insecure in a locked stall than just outside that same bathroom. In my previous workplace we had unisex bathroom (lots of people it was a big building/company) nobody ever complained about it.
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Well, that is pretty different. You are talking about a workplace, where you are supposed to know everyone else. When it is a public space, things change. Anyway, I think we are getting out of the topic here.
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Couldn't agree more with this. Enough with separations in our society, it's time for equality.
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I failed to see the point, I mean if the problem is truly school bathroom and kids. When I was in high school, I don't think I've seen barely any teacher using the regular bathroom, I mean don't teacher have different bathroom they can use, so then what would be the problem?
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Urgh... sounds like someone doesn't even understand the concept of "transgender". Transgender is the person who underwent sex change surgery, while the whole ruckus about bathrooms is not about such people but about people who simply identify themselves as a different gender.
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From the wikipedia: "Transgender people are people who experience a mismatch between their gender identity, or gender expression, and their assigned sex. Transgender people are sometimes called transsexual if they desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another."
So transgender people are those that identify as different gender, where as transsexual people are those who underwent sex change surgery or plan to.
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someone can please explain why is so important to one gender use another's gender bathroom? since no one is willing to put a sign in their forehead saying their gender... both bathrooms will turn unisex. since both will be unisex, there will be no "another gender bathroom"... this leads me (again) to the initial question.
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I didn't met trans in bathroom yet, but it's okay I think
Thank you for GAs
Have a nice day
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Penises and vaginas are nothing but ideological construct..
From now on I will identify myself as an harvester.
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personally i think both sides of this are wrong and blowing it out of proportion.
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The opposition to this, at least a lot of them are not worried as much about about transgender people using the bathroom as they are pedophiles and rapists pretending to be transgender and abusing the law.
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The pedophiles and rapists those guys who are worried about aren't worried about a bathroom law. Before this was law I can assure you that people who were planning on raping were not deterred by not being allowed. They are rapists, they don't follow the law.
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The only reason this is big news is because people make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be. It is a room to dump waste into. It doesn't warrant this type of outrage and anger.
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I think it is great to have mix-sex-toilets. I guess it can be pretty confusing as transgender on which toilet to go and even if you choose in a way you might always pick the wrong one (I don't really now, I'm not trans). I don't know if we have that in germany, don't even know if that is somewhere a topic or problem, but I think it is not right to complain about that. There are already enough problems - especially to figure out your having the for you wrong gender - and then you have to figure out which toilet is yours? Just use the cabins and everything is working out. What does it really matter if there is a boy/man, girl/woman or something in between next to you?
I mean, how often do women use mens toilet because the queue is to long at the womens toilet? So, yay for toilet freedom!
And thanks for the gas, although I can't enter ;)
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Am I not gorgeous?
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In theory, given Bugs' predilections, that's more a reference to transvestites (or rather, cross-dressers, as the term is now a derogatory one) than transgenders/sexuals.
He seems to have gotten a bit of surgery in those particular images, however, so I'm not quite certain. :X
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Agreed.
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Haha, yes, his/her boobs are looking suspiciously real for a (only) crossdresser :)
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So as you may or may not know some people here in the U.S. are losing their minds over the possibility of transgendered kids using the same bathroom their children use in school. The reason presented by those against transgendered individuals using the bathroom of their choice is that they are worried their children will be preyed upon by trans sex offenders. The whole argument feels a bit silly to me. Obama stepped in to attempt to protect civil rights and the states are suing back. It's all a big mess of discrimination and prejudice. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Oh yeah. Here's a few gibs nobody seems to want anymore:
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