Do you care if a transgendered person uses the same bathroom you do?
If anything, what's going to end up happening is there is going to be several single person unisex bathrooms in certain public places, most likely schools.
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I have to agree. Here in Texas there is some cynical political maneuvering taking place behind this issue.
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Simply create a 'third' bathroom meant for transgenders or anyone who wants to use it. so those who wants privacy can use the normal bathrooms.
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Personally i identify as a robot, and i do not want to share my bathroom with puny humans.
I think a fourth bathroom is mandatory.
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Robots do not use bathrooms....
But if ur the old gen types u can contribute ur oil leaks to be use as lubricants ;)
See what I did there?
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I'm on the "why were crappers gendered in the first place" side of things.
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Because of parents, and children, and morals/ethics, you know, things societies are built upon.
I know I didn't REALLY grow up until I had kids, they'll change your worldview and priorities, I (partially)blame the growing epidemic of 30something self-centered manchildren on the steady decline of western civilization.
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Woah there, it looks like you are talking about something entirely different than bathrooms because being a parent or morals/ethics have nothing to do with this. If your worldview and priorities changed to caring about other people's excreta when you had kids then I don't even know what to tell you; other than that's really weird and could be obsessive if you somehow equal that to the decline of western civilization or whatever you are going on about.
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What changed was instead of my corporatocracy-driven youth-culture reality-challenged identity ethics (and more generally radical progressivism) I started paying attention to the way things have been for thousands of years, what societies are built upon, because these lessons make safe nurturing environments for children.
Accommodating the reality-challenged at the expense of a sensible realistic societal engine through which to raise our children, is a leap of insanity I'm unwilling to take. This is about more than bathrooms, and I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that, the sweeping changes to our society in the past couple of decades are unparalleled, and I'm supposed to think we're somehow the better for it? Fringe should remain fringe, instead of being forced down the throat of the masses and their children. Fetishism and deviancy aren't protected classes, and comparing it to a person's skin color is a slap in the face to the civil rights movement.
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I have no idea what you are trying to ramble on about and I begin to suspect you have accidentally responded to my comment instead of someone else's.
You will notice I never asked what changed in your views when you had kids. I simply noted that if your change in views made you care about other people's excreta then that's really weird to me, and if it's something you keep thinking about then you might have a problem in your hands.
No. This isn't about more than bathrooms. If you want to think that then you are in a wrong thread and definitely addressing the wrong person with your complaints as all I said was that toilets should not have been gendered in the first place. Toilets should be unisex, just like they are in people's homes. Toilets do not need signs on the doors that tell you to pick one based on your genitalia.
comparing it to a person's skin color is a slap in the face to the civil rights movement
uhh, this line right here makes me convinced you have mistaken about who you are trying to reply to. I've never mentioned anyone's skin color in any context, so please pay attention to who you are trying to have a conversation with because I'm not who you are trying to complain to.
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The dynamics in my office building are a bit weird (Talking my Day job here). There are two washrooms. Mens and Womens, but due to the fact there are only usually only 3-4 men working in the office and 12 or so women, the women are officially allowed to use both washrooms, but the men are not allowed to use the womens. The thing is, the toilet in the ladies room is a much newer low flow, which tends to clog, so most of the women will use the men's washroom which still has the old regular toilet. The thing is, I have noticed many times men having to wait for a woman to finish using the men's room, despite the fact the women's wasn't in use at the time she went into the mens. Also with women favouring the men's room especially when they are doing something that risks clogging the toilet, the men's room typically stinks due the air freshener/perfume ban. Even less than 10 minutes ago, with the women's room free, a man heading to the washrooms and a woman heading to the washroom, the woman did a little bit of a run to scoot into the mens room before he could go in it. He then had to wait for her to finish due to not being allowed in the ladies. If both washrooms were unisex, there wouldn't be an issue, as of right now, it feels very unfair to the poor men in the office.
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I'm "fragrance sensitive" to the smell of poop, urine, and body odor and am much more susceptible to getting sick smelling those than I am with personal care products with scent. I can understand perfumes/colognes/after shaves since most people can't seem to use them without taking a bath in the stuff but not having something in the restroom to mask the odors is stupid regardless of the cause.
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I have to agree, I would rather have the scent of vanilla or flowers than the smell of the results of someones Mexican food night.
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I'm with you on the floral scents, but I never could stand vanilla scent, sickly sweet food smell in the air.
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That's right. The first rule of Toilet Club is you don't talk about Toilet Club!
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I'm not sure if someone else has pointed this out yet or not, but I think you may be misrepresenting the opposed position. As I understand it, since I really don't think we need a law about bathrooms establishing "anyone use any bathroom" or "only use the one matching your chromosomes" either way, the opposition is:
but rather:
That's a pretty important difference as the former paints everyone in opposition as just being opposed because they assume a link between trans people and rapists while the latter actually would be a valid concern if there were some evidence that leering pervs were doing so (claiming to be trans just so they can leer). To my knowledge there isn't a big problem with pervs actually doing that, but that doesn't stop people from freaking out that they might.
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Then Michael Scott immediately walks into the women's restroom....
Pam says " That's not how it works Michael, you can't do that. Don't go in there."
From the restroom you hear Michael say "Oh GOD! Meredith! That's disgusting!" and then he walks out of the restroom past Pam with a scowl on his face.
Meredith steps out of the restroom with her skirt raised up, shaving cream on her legs and a razor in her hand "What?"
Scene switch to Meredith talking to the camera "I've got a date tonight and I haven't shaved my legs in 6 months, I'm starting to look like a wookie down there" Camera starts to pan down then stops and pans to the window behind Meredith. From outside the room Michael says "No one wants to see that Meredith!"
In the next scene, it would be Angela blaming Michael for the shaving residue in the bathroom sink and then in the background Pam looks uncomfortably at the camera. Of course, the only reason Michael declared Transgender is because he needed to use the restroom because the other one needed repairs and Dwight being the cheapskate building owner he is made the women's restroom Unisex (and Michael thinking unisex meant transgender). The whole reason the men's bathroom is damaged is because the porcelain bowl was in disrepair and fell off the wall when someone heavy was sitting on the bowl, Dwight blames Kevin for this but it was in fact Stanley who was on the toilet at the time (doing his crossword). Stanley never admits it but you know this because his pants are wet, and he keeps looking at the camera whenever Dwight blames Kevin and the camera keeps looking at his wet pants whenever the subject comes up.
And of course the whole "Declaring Transgender" episode between Michael and Meredith has lead to the involvement of Tobey and HR leading Michael to have to commit to his new gender status with HR or possibly be fired for his intrusion into the women's restroom. That scene ends with Michael and Tobey in the conference room, Michael yelling at Tobey "Fine! FINE!!" changing his gender status on a form, and leaving the room. Tobey looks down at the form then over to the camera and says "He wrote unisex".
The final scene for the episode has Michael showing up to work the next day dressed as a man on one side of his body and a woman on the other, like the unisex door sign.
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I can see both sides of the argument here.
On one side, transgender people want to use the bathroom for the gender they associate with, and not the one defined by their physical attribute.
On the other side, many don't want to see someone of the opposite gender in their restroom, no matter what they associate to. I guess it's more prevalent with women who don't want to see a dick around. (This is probably more an issue in a changing room than in actual bathroom though.)
Maybe we should simply label restrooms as Penis and Vagina so there would be no confusion as to where people has to go, except maybe for hermaphrodites.
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It very much bothers me that "why won't anyone think of the children?!" is thrown around sarcastically with relation to the trans restroom debate, yet the same people use the same tactic with perfect earnestness when advocating for gun control. (It bothers me more that most of these people have never so much as seen a gun in real life before forming their opinions, but that's another argument altogether...)
I bring up gun control because it leads to the same logical conclusion: that Bad Things have and will continue to happen regardless of the laws designed to "stop" them (e.g. magazine capacity limits, or even effectively wholesale bans in the manner of Britain et al), so why continue to pass ineffectual, unenforceable laws which inconvenience or infringe on the people's general liberty simply so that one appears to be Doing Something?
Reality is not a fairy tale. Bad Stuff happens sometimes. Do everything you can to bring those who perpetrate it to justice and take steps to ensure that they will never do it again, whether your ideals lean toward punishment or rehabilitation. Don't preemptively condemn hundreds of thousands of innocent, law-abiding, perfectly normal people for the actions of a select deranged few.
Solution for this nonexistent problem: unisex/pansex bathrooms that are open to anyone and everyone. As mentioned by multiple previous posters, half the time women will use the men's room rather than wait in a line of 20 people queued up for "their" bathroom, so why continue to impose arbitrary gender segregation of facilities? After all, as John Oliver is so fond of pointing out, it's [the current year].
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Who the hell cares who is in the bathroom with you? All bathrooms should be unisex (anyone and everyone allowed).
When I go to the bathroom, I do my business, wash my hands, and gtfo. Nobody in there is trying to see your junk (or boobs) and nobody is trying to show you their junk or boobs. The exception is the occasional pervert and we already have laws to send these sick expletive to prison.
America, STOP being prudish! Jesus H. Christ.
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Totally agree, there's already laws to deal with perves in the bathrooms, which I've personally encountered in the past without mixed gender bathrooms, so nothing would really change beyond their being more stalls to shit in, and less worthless wall urinals you can only do half your business in.
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Wait, you only do half your business in the urinals? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I've said for years gendered bathrooms make no sense. It's just stupid, you can make bathrooms vastly bigger for less, and with proper fucking separations between stalls if you just abandon all urinals, and combine the space with just stalls and full partitions.
Same goes for shower rooms, just have stalls to change in.
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Potato like prowess hope that's spelled right us potatoes no smart
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Um, there has always been people entering bathrooms, to do nefarious things, regardless of their sex/orientation/organs.
Why single out a group of people and lay all the blame on them?
The entire male bathroom and female bathroom thing is by itself, sexist.
Segregation/labels/etc. will not help society. (reminds me of the time there were black/white people bathrooms)
I'm down for unisex bathroom becomeing the norm.
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Bathrooms are sexist? Male/Female toilets are not in any way controversial as you are putting it because it doesn't actually have any sort of negative impact. The whole use of the Black/White bathrooms were in place because black people were seen as lesser than white people, therefore should be separated. Are you suggesting that women are less than men or vice versa?
The fact of the matter remains that gender orientated bathrooms are designed because of the sex organs and the fact that (most) men are attracted to women and women to men. This prevents any sexual or lustful acts from potentially taking place.
Reality is conforming into feeding delusion nowadays. We are becoming so wrapped up about pathetic issues (which actually don't have any real affect on the world), when outside the comfort of our Western society are atrocities being committed left right and center.
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So as you may or may not know some people here in the U.S. are losing their minds over the possibility of transgendered kids using the same bathroom their children use in school. The reason presented by those against transgendered individuals using the bathroom of their choice is that they are worried their children will be preyed upon by trans sex offenders. The whole argument feels a bit silly to me. Obama stepped in to attempt to protect civil rights and the states are suing back. It's all a big mess of discrimination and prejudice. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Oh yeah. Here's a few gibs nobody seems to want anymore:
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