Did you ever pre order?
in the past, it made a lot of sense to preorder, if you used the trading market (which valve recently killed). i bought witcher 3 for like 16$ or something last year. so i saved a lot. that was maybe 11€ at the time. now i would have to pay 50€.
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also, it gets super annoying that every super-pro-core-gamer thinks, it is his duty to keep everyone from preordering. sorry, if that sounds harsh. don't necessarily mean you with that. but we had so many of these threads already, in so many forums. and they escalate so quickly. if you post there and say you like preordering - prepare to be called a dumb idiot. ^^ if you don't like preordering (for understandable reasons), don't do it. but let people their opinions. ;)
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I don't hate preordering, I WOULD preorder IF you give me a reason to.
Reasons to preorder on current games:
Look at Evolve, best MMO model here, it's able to make a profit with about 1000 devoted players payers
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i gave you an example. is saving 70-80% money for the full game not a good reason?
funny that you mention Evolve. i preordered it, when there was a price error. i paid less than 8$ for it. ^^
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I've only pre-ordered one game (Witcher 3). Though, the amount of pre-orders can have a pretty large impact on how much developers get from their publishers. Eh, 70-80% is pretty good, though if I like the dev I want to give them some bread :).
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Well, if the publisher doesn't provide a good deal or a price error you don't really save much. If you miss the price error for Evolve, the game is just a "Pay 55€ to pay 15€ for for each class we release along the way"
Just looked, 130€ of DLC (that is without the hunting season pass)
The GTA V model was pretty good though: "Pay $60 to get the game on day one and an extra classic GTA as an extra". Although a classmate did pre order it (retail, ironically) and didn't play yet, his rig can't handle the game and he didn't even get the extra San Andreas
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only a few months ago, there didn't have to be a price error or publisher deal. all games were cheap (in russia). and preordering made a lot of sense. we preordered, before they region-locked the games. this way we paid maybe ~30% average of the normal EU price. yes, sometimes a game was not as good as we thought. but in total we still saved a lot of money that way. so preordering made a lot of sense. that is what i wanted to tell you. and should make it obvious that there can be good reasons for preordering.
i just dislike the whole "i am a core gamer, i understand the industry, everyone who preorders is a douchebag and gets flamed like crazy by me, because he destroys my market!!11". again - i don't necessarily mean you with that. that's just how many guys behave on the internet.
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Nah, judging people based on how they buy their games is something I understand (it's human nature to judge) but it's something we should stop doing. Games are a commodity, and commodities are not priced as they are worth, they are priced on the point we are willing to pay.
I, for one, the only game I got full-price was Skyrim LE, got it on retail when I could get it on a sale on Steam a week later (or before) and I already finished the Skyrim: Pirate Edition (rrrrwar) before. I told people I thought it was worth the price, so I'll buy it. I actually just wanted the achievements and the easy download (+sync) on Steam. Was the first game I voluntarily DIDN'T pirate and I never pirated a game since. :D
In my country you are judged for paying anything for anything, so buying a game is an instant "Why the f*** did you do that?" from pretty much every non-Dota player (those are linked here for an obvious reason aka Steam)
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The two games I ever pre-ordered were the PC version of Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2. Although I knew exactly what I was buying by then. For a completely new game… would never pre-order. Although it is funny to see the reactions of people who did for such much-expected flops and bad games like Titanfall, Watch_Dogs, or Destiny, to name a few from recent times.
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Nope. No preorders. None. Na-ah. No sir. Not all of them even deserve to be bought on release day, for example, If it's a UBISOFT game - stay the f@&k away from that game for as long as you can, because it usually takes them a month or so to make a game properly playable (while still buggy). It's a sick concept, encouraging devs to release bad / unfinished content, while still bathing in money tube. CoD half-year-before-release preorders payed for as much as a new CoD game development ever needed, and still they make a copy-paste game, even worse than previous one. And after all this CoD's, Colonial Marine's and other s@&ty games people preordered, they never learn and keep giving money for a cute little trailers and game concepts they're seeing. Very few devs can be trusted these days, and yeah, RockStar one of them. But still didn't preorder :D
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Pre-orders in the digital world are for the benefit of the publisher, not the consumer.Since indeed, supply is infinite when the game gets released.
In most cases it's really just selling the hype, to bring in money sooner and reduce financial risk that way. And in most cases, the consumer doesn't benefit significantly/at all for buying into the hype.
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If you pre-order a digital game, you can pre-load it a week before release. Isn't it good, that when it finally gets released, you can play it immediately, and you don't have to wait for installing from disc or downloading 40-60GBs? I pre-ordered The Evil Within Limited Edition, and it arrived with 4(!) double layer discs (8,5 GB each), and it wanted to install 40GB. It arrived afternoon (1 or 2 PM), and thanks to my "super fast" internet, it took 7-8 hours to download. I had that whole afternoon to play it, but nope. It had to download 20 GBs, plus decompressing and such. Not everybody in this world have super fast internet, that can download a 40-60GB game in an hour or less. So in my opinion, digital Pre-orders are good, because you can play the game (in most cases), right when it comes out.
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Playing a game on day 1 is, like Nanabanana said above, "buying into the hype"
But why did it download when you had the DVDs? I remember Skyrim doing that for me, but it was just doing 3 years of updates and 500MB of cloud saves (which apparently saved from me playing the torrented game)
If it makes you feel any better, 40GB takes about 20 hours on my Internet, add the overhead on the Hard drive+install on 5400rpm HDD, just leave the PC there for the weekend...
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Where did you read, that I have optical drive? I didn't have, and still don't have, because digital games are the future. Also it wasn't compatible with my new rig. Also playing a game Day 1 doesn't mean that you are "buying into the hype". It means, that you have faith in the developers, and you trust that it will be a good game. Also developers are people too. They have to eat, pay bills and so on. If you don't buy games full price, you will not support them, and now I'm not saying that you must buy all games for full price, but at least if you can, buy 1 per year. If you don't support the developers, they will not be able to make games, because they have to find another job. Yeah, that 60$ or even EUR may be expensive, but you are supporting them with it. Of course mega-companies can live without full price pre-orders, but for a smaller company, even one full price pre-order can decide between success, and failure. I pre-ordered The Evil Within for full price, and even if it gets discounted by 90%, I will never regret my decision. Same goes for Borderlands The Pre-Sequel. There are many good games that are worthy of pre-order, but you always remember the bad ones.
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When I started collecting and playing games on Steam, I thought digital games are the future, but I still look at my PS2 collection and the retail PC game collection which is right in front of me all the time and I miss CDs (the collection and sort aspect, not the "WHY IS THERE A BROKEN CD IN THE COMPUTER?" talk I had with my dad a while ago because I forgot a CD in)
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" Also developers are people too. They have to eat, pay bills and so on. If you don't buy games full price, you will not support them, and now I'm not saying that you must buy all games for full price, but at least if you can, buy 1 per year. If you don't support the developers, "
By the way is a good way to illustrate my point "to bring in money sooner and reduce financial risk that way." from the developer's/publisher's point of view.
Now that I'm looking back, apart from Borderlands 2 all my other pre-orders (including backing the kickstarter for Shadowrun Hong Kong & early access purchase of Carmageddon Reincarnation for convenience) were for smaller companies.
And they either came with cool freebies other than what will be included in the game later (via sold DLC or GOTY or whatever) , or effectively an early adopter discount.
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I will never, ever regret my decision. The Evil Within was an amazing game for me. People were mostly bitching about graphics, and performance issues. I'm immune to these things, because a year ago, I had a really crappy computer. It ran Borderlands 2 in 800x600, everything on low with 20-30 fps. Graphics can't be a decisive matter in video games, especially since TEW has really good gameplay mevhanics, and a really good story. I am still thankful, that I could get the Season Pass for 3 keys.
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I preorder if I want to play it as soon as it's released (and if a price is affordable for me), since it's usually slightly cheaper.I could wait few months for a better deal, true, but, sometimes, it's just not worth it. My last preorder was Talos Principle, due to it having a lower price in my regione (EU2) and a -15% discount, it was quite affordable, I really wanted to play it right away so I preordered.
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agree i also loved the sillyness and epicness of 16 player co/op Serious Sam 3 bfg edition :)
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I never preordered a game , and i never will.
Poblishers are just flat out lying to us with CG Trailers and fake promises , and more often then not the result is broken on lunch games , half of the promised things not existing in the game at all ... times worse graphics then shown in the trailers.
OR some buggy pile of crap like that last Assassins creed game was .
So yeah , DONT Pre-Order games...
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I preorder from time to time, sometimes you get burned, sometimes everything works out alright.
Main reason for my preorder is the anticipation and the ability to preload stuff. I used to play on console too (360), where another reason for preordering (not in a digital way though) was to ensure to get a copy on release day (I see though that this is a nonconern for digital media). There was a shop that still managed to hand away my preordered GTA 4 copy though, which was kind of a bummer, I never purchased anything from them afterwards.
I don't see into the hype and antihype about preordering itself, people generally should be responsible enough about their purchases to know if something is worth (to them personally) to buy before release or not.
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i tend to pre order if i have the disposable income at the time, for instance if ive done a lot of overtime one month. overtime isnt always guaranteed and i might not get any when a game is released so for me it makes sense to buy it when i have the money rather than leave myself short.
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I make pre order only if very much want this game
my pre-orders:
1) Grand Theft Auto V (I have long wanted this game on PC)
2) Mortal Kombat X
3) Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition
4) Shelter 2 (I like cats...)
5) Resident Evil HD Remaster
6) Resident Evil Revelations 2
7) Witcher 3
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Digital games dont have a higher price... and preordering digital games isnt anything different than preordering physical games, now that I think about it, they are different. With digital games you can preload and play the game on the minute the game releases and you dont have to wait for the game to come in the mail.
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Just looked at Witcher 3 price to check. 38.26€ retail (no shipping fee), 45.29€ gog, 49.99€ Steam, and the retail is not even on sale.
Also, retail comes with a map, stickers, manuals, compedium. AND IT'S CHEAPER, FFS. But Romanian retail prices are all over the place
Edit: this is not an argument against pre-ordering, this is just me saying retail pre-orders are probably a bit more worth the money.
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The only 2 pre orders I did were because I really wanted the game
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It's simple, because I want to... now what kind of games I pre-order... well mainly from devs/publishers I like . Every year I pre-order maybe 2-3 games and yet to regret any of those purchases .. For this year I already got GTA V, was thinking to get Trine 3 but because they went into Early Access I'm skipping and now waiting for SPAZ 2 release.
Honestly, atm I rarely play any games, especially the ones I get on sale xD but pre-ordered games are rushed once released xD
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Why does one want to have a digital game months before it's release? I mean, I understand buying something physical in advance, it's good in case the stock runs out. That's why I got a concert ticket 3 months in advance, but it was cheaper than a pre order game, and even cheaper before.
But why would you do that for a digital game? Stock is unlimited, price is higher, you probably get some extra hats that will be included in a Legendary/Complete/GOTY edition an year later.
But why? Why? Also, why would you hurry and not wait for a sale during the pre order period? Like, you know, Witcher 3 does now, you basically save 10€ and play at the same time with someone who paid 20% extra...
I strongly believe pre ordering is just a retail concept that somehow managed to grasp and work in the digital world... Chance that belief
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