As i said it wont stop the majority but it will help somewhat.
Is there any harm in adding it? No?
Is there benifits? yes
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I just dont see the problem with it being implemented it wont ask for age verification every time just during account creation.
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Doesn't steam already have an age restriciton? I think it was something like 14-16 in the subscriber agreement.
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13 years old, but that wont stop people entering games for +18 on this site, at least they should implement it. Steam doesnt know anyones age it cant be transfered from steam to here if thats what your trying to get at.
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A: Most of the site is from the US, and contrary to what politicians will tell you, R rated games are not against the law to be sold to minors. It's considered the parents job as far as the law is concerned, and I know a similar view is shared in many other Western countries.
B: Statistics gathered from age verification software shows that over 67% of all users were born on January 1st and over 99% of all users are over the age of 18. So an age check would prove entirely pointless, useless, and annoy me greatly.
C: Why shan't we allow the younguns in here? Teach them a bit about being nice and friendly and courteous. Maybe that'll teach them to wear their pants higher and hold doors open for the elderly. A bit of courteousy and friendliness can go a long way.
D: No really, why shouldn't they be here? Are they disruptive? Well, then they can very well be banned for disruptive behaviour. Are they too stupid to use the site? Well, then they wouldn't have found the site and unlocked the mysteries of getting an invite, now would they? What other reasons could possibly exist for preventing entry beyond wanting to say to younger people yet again that they aren't allowed the same rights as everyone else and that they aren't as free as everyone else and that they shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms and rights as everyone else. We don't need more senseless rules and laws stating that young people are incompetent and unable to be allowed the same freedoms everyone else has.
E: Parents? If a parent actually has a complaint about what their child is doing on this site or a complaint about the language their child is exposed to or whatever else, then the parent knows very well how to fix it. And that is not by navigating the site, finding the owner of the site, and complaining to the owner about how they let their child use the computer freely and had no idea that by allowing such a thing that the child would be exposed to all these things.
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A: I didn't know that about America that's pretty stupid really. What laws would it come under if some one in the UK got the game? Because in the UK the law is different.
The age restrictions are 12,15 and 18.
The maximum fine for selling, trading, gifting or renting an age restricted cassette/DVD/game to a child under the specified age is £5,000 and/or up to 6 months imprisonment.
B: Even a 1% help is a help nonetheless. Also how would a 1 time check annoy you?
C:I am not saying ban all the young ones from the site, just the under 13's, there is no censorship on the forum (or the Internet of that matter) i wouldent agree to a underage kid being exposed to the dangers of random strangers on the site.
D: They can be disruptive but so can everybody else, a one off age check wont really effect much in terms of the younger kids entering, as you said if they wanted to they could lie about their age, none of us would be wiser to a thing such as this.
E: It could still happen, I dont see why there is so much negativity from you about this idea.
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Why shouldn't they be allowed to enter any giveaway and join the site? You still didn't explain that.
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I have given many reasons.
To protect the site.
To protect (minority) of kids from entering
To give those of us like me a ease of mind
To prevent any problems with steam (Parents could complain about their kids getting a game they didn't consent to playing go to steam about it then steam come back to this site for a answer.
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You haven't explained what would happen if some one underage in the UK wins the game and is found out.
Have you got anything to say to all my replies to you abcde?
You also haven't given a valid argument all your posts are opinions where as mine are based mainly on facts.
Edited: Sorry didn't mean to sound rude, I do value your opinions this thread is open to all for discussion.
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The kid would be liable depending on UK law, unless you can give me the exact phrasing of the laws I can't evaluate the consequences for the kid or the site or the giveaway maker. However, I doubt very much any of them excepting the kid would meet legal consequences, and neither would the kid I'd bet either.
You honestly think kids are stupid enough to choose the age that won't allow them to play games if they want to? If the kid isn't already going to refuse to enter a giveaway for a game they are too young to meet the requirements for, then why would they also go out of their way to point out that they are too young to play the game?
Now, on to the point of the age of the kids. What guidelines would these be set by? US? German? UK? Plain and simple, the only one that would make sense is US, as this is US based, and Steam is US based. Per US law, there are no min reqs, so no min reqs would be set.
Why shouldn't kids under 13 be allowed in the site? You didn't explain that, you just explained that they aren't disruptive and that you're not worried they'll be exposed to things that a child shouldn't be exposed to or whatever else. So why?
Your facts aren't valid in the US mostly, beyond the claims that parents can complain, and I would like to see this parent that would come out and find the owner of the site and complain to the owner instead of raising their child properly.
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If something on a website is legal in the country it is hosted in, then it is legal content - for that country. If a visitor's country has laws against viewing/etc. with that content, then the blame falls upon the visitor, NOT the content host. Personally, I laugh anytime I see a UK Nanny-State advocate asking the internet why it isn't making itself safer for their children.
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Yes, just this morning CG was telling me about Mrs. Hartsworth who was complaining that her son Jimmy was allowed to win a giveaway for an R rated game, some weird game about stealing cars or something. Clearly she did not want Billy to be playing R rated games and feels that CG is personally liable for allowing her little Timmy to play such an awful game. So please, for the sake of little Susie, don't let these vile vile people give games that are R rated to kids, please, think of little Danny!
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Lol. Well, parents should control his entering to contests if they don't want him to win R rated games... There is no way to know how old one is. But yea, it would let the site to not be eligible for anything, which is a good thing.
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Next your going to tell me your a girl or some shit.
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I don't think we need bunch of kids born in January the first of some year making them over age limit instead of those who say that they are kid. Also don't invite a kid, problem solved. :D
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In most country's, the age restrictions are guidelines for parents to decide whether their child should play the game or not. It would be illogical to keep every minor from entering R rated giveaways, while it is only illegal in per your example, the UK. This site can't be held accountable because it is based in the US, therefore falls under US jurisdiction and has to follow US laws, not UK laws.
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This isn't one of the better suggestions of late.
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Not discrimination, he's suggesting for legal reasons.
The US government can regulate speech - just because you can tie something to speech doesn't mean the government has no power to regulate.
But again, age limits are different in different countries and a lot of times it is just recommended age...
Steam should be the one implementing this, not SG.
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Well... I don't see any problem with age of 14 like me and my friend playing Left 4 Dead 2, Mafia 2, FEAR 3, etc.
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So!? Because some big government types said "Hmmm... Let's say that you have to be this old to play this game." That alone means that it should be such? Because someone else already chose the number for you? Because it's a law in a country where this site has no worries about the laws of? Because it's too bloody? Too explicit? Shouldn't those be determined by the parents? If a parent gives their kid money and doesn't want them buying things they shouldn't be buying, then the parent shouldn't give the kid money. If a kid earns money through work, then the kid should really be old enough at that time to decide on his own.
You've never given a good reason for believing in this all powerful doctrine that is UK law, and yet you use it as if it is an infallible document that should not be questioned. Which it should be, especially as it has NO FUCKING MATTER on this site. If you can't even do that, then really, I don't think that you should be supporting a system on this site whereby that document becomes the system to determine what people can and cannot do.
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Fun info: in my language (Croatian) DOB is the word for age, funny coincidence. :)
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When you join the site you enter your DOB. Which will be hidden. This then stops people from joining giveaways if they are underage. Yes alot of people will just fake their ages but then steam gifts would not be eligible for any problems this may of caused with raging parents because the counter measures were there in the first place.
There would also be the illegal distribution of r18 games given out to possible 10 year olds. This would help limit blame for the site too.
I just dont see the problem with it being implemented it wont ask for age verification every time just during account creation.
There should also be a 13+ age restriction to join as well, any lower is madness.
What are your thoughts? I don't see a problem with any of this being implemented. I am sure most other people here to would understand why it should be.
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