I dont get what everyone is over analysing here..
As I understand here - OP suggests a button for thread that bumps it... (correct me if im wrong)
But that would certainly be better then having 500 comments, 400 out of them "bump" and if I want to read what people are writing I have to sort through hours of empty "bump" comments..
Why is everyone against it ? Am I missing something ?
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The actual suggestion here -- offer forum users a way to bump a thread without posting a comment -- is a very good one. I'm not quite sure why so many people would be against it.
I wonder if people just don't quite understand what's being suggested?
If this were implemented, you'd basically have two options instead of one, when you find a thread that interests you.
Option A -- you don't have anything to say, you just want to keep the thread at the top.
-----> Okay, just hit the "BUMP" button.
Option B -- you DO want to say something, such as posting a giveaway link, asking a question, telling people about your cat, etc.
-----> Okay, post your comment.
I don't understand why anyone would be against this.
Some of the negative comments seem to indicate that it's "easily abused". How is it more easily abused than the current system? If you're saying that the same person could bump a thread every 30 seconds... couldn't that be done now, by someone posting a "bump" comment every 30 seconds? And couldn't a cooldown feature, where the "BUMP" button can only be used every so often, be built in?
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I wonder if people just don't quite understand what's being suggested?
That's needlessly condescending, especially given that I at least have already detailed some of the concerns with such a change within this thread, and at least one person has done so via a linked thread.
I don't understand why anyone would be against this.
See above.
couldn't that be done now, by someone posting a "bump" comment every 30 seconds?
Understanding is that that counts as spamming and would get you a suspension.
And couldn't a cooldown feature, where the "BUMP" button can only be used every so often, be built in?
Yes. Restricting frequency of use and access of use were already elements of the discussion.
As was noted on the first page, this is a topic that has come up a large number of times over the past 6 years, and has been dismissed regularly, due to the same short list of concerns. It'd be more effective to try and understand and respond to those considerations, than to off-handedly dismiss both them and the individuals who are trying to work the matter through carefully.
Mind you, I'm actually disinclined toward bump posts, which is why I so rarely do them myself. Spam of any sort is disagreeable to me. So there's not even any need to convince me of the merits of the change.. just of the feasibility of the logistics.
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Hmm, I don't think I off-handedly dismissed anything. I'd love to respond to the considerations at hand, but the only one I see is "potential for abuse" and that doesn't make sense to me, because the potential for abuse already exists and is dealt with by the current site rules.
Under the current rules, posting a bump comment every 30 seconds would count as spamming, and would earn a suspension. It also adds pointless "bump" comments to the thread.
So let's keep that rule in place! Bumping every 30 seconds would count as spamming, and would earn a suspension. But it would NOT add pointless comments to the thread.
(This is assuming that it's possible for these newly available "bumps" to be visible to site support, so they could check for spam the same way they check for spam currently. If that's not possible, that would raise the possibility of abuse).
I went back and read your comment on the first page, and you state that a "bump" feature is not "less spammy" than what we have now. I am legitimately baffled by that statement.
Current: 50 people bump a thread, 2 people post actual comments; the thread has 52 replies. The 2 actual comments can be difficult to find due to the spammed "bumps."
New: 50 people bump a thread, 2 people post actual comments; the thread has 2 replies. Those 2 actual comments would be much easier to find because they would literally be the only 2 visible posts under the OP.
Thoughts? Am I missing something?
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Make the forum great again
Build a paywall and let the users pay for it :)
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Here's a possibly terrible idea...
5P - silent bump
5P - reply
50P - new discussion
...and an option to sort discussions by P spent on: only bumps, only replies, or both, in addition to the existing latest-post sort and ESGST's creation-date sort.
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Yes. It's difficult to track bumping abuse, thus I can understand the naysayers, but it still would be an improvement over hundreds of simple bumps.
Regarding ESGST: there are threads which were prepared.. mostly few days ago, sometimes months ago and then re-opened. ESGST can't detect this (only as non-read discussion yet, however using this feature you would have to ensure to read every thread to notice these).
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Best thing would be to get rid of 'bump' altogether, but that would most likely mean no GA's in these forums anymore ;>. I feel the biggest problem this forum and site has is the amount of users in relation to the moderation the staff can offer, with their size and the amount of time they can spend digging through all the posts and support tickets they have to deal with. It certainly would get rid of countless bump-posts, but would also leave a risk of actual discussions still getting relegated to the second or even third page... yet, wouldn't make a big difference to how it is now, so - why not, if cg decides to implement it?
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Sometimes you don't even want to bump the thread, It's just to comment or reply.
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This suggestion cannot die so here's another bump.
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Before addressing the topic at hand, I want some clarification on this;
What is it that you dislike from bumping - the fact that threads stay at the top of the forum (as the screenshot suggests), or that the threads are filled with comments that do not add to the discussion (as your comments suggest)? I'm not sure I have a clear idea of what your issue with bumping is, and therefore can't formulate a meaningful reply that is relevant. I think you disapprove of the comments, not the bumping - Am I correct?
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Um... okay?
I take it you're deleting your SG account then? Not sure what brought this up and seems a bit drastic and out of nowhere (but I won't pry). Wishing you the best either way, it was nice having you around.
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Threads filling with nonsense so nobody bothers reading them after 1-2 pages is a real problem which a bump button commonly used at other sites would solve. There are also thanks buttons people can press instead of commenting at some sites. If comments were left for actual discussion, the threads would be much more meaningful and OP wouldn't have to sort through 100s of useless messages and miss something actually relevant. But I guess deleting works well too. :)
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I'm surprised they would go the length to post a suggestion to improve SG... then leave hours after bumping said thread. No idea what that was about, feels weird to see someone just vanish on SG though.
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