Steam is a Graveyard for Multiplayer (PvP) games

bump for insurgency that game is awesome.

Wait, what? It's literally a co-op game, what do you call it? Multiplayer? Which can mean PvP or co-op, except it's not a PvP game, so it's more accurately described as co-op. Dunno what world you're living in, but calling a game co-op is nothing out of the ordinary.

Wait, Turtle Rock? They only made L4D, which had one DLC (that was for free on PC and you had to buy it on X360 because of MS policy that said "out customers are idiots who pay for everything, so let's milk them").

I'm talking about games on steam, so why you brouth LOL in this convo I don't understand.

Dayz is one of the top played games? Oh really?
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Curerntly it's loosing to H1Z1 and Payday 2 as a co-op game. Not an FPS PvP

DayZ Coop?? only coop if you go whit a previous group... try to survive from the sruvivors by yourself!

It's not

Hi, thanks
MB I will have another couple of mounts of fun, before it's start to be flooded with not so clever people :)

Nah man, I spend my chilhood in TF2 :) I'm just immune to pixel-plague :)) Thanks to TF2. It's nothing new now. Hats/skins, Unusual hats/knifes, Strange weapons/Stattracks etc. Well made scheme proven by years of practise of money making on pixels

So you don't know what PvP means....

I am thinking no matter what i say you will find a way to pick at it.

Absolutely. Because you keep responding as if you don't understand. I'll get to that below.

Look i dislike the game and i have my reason,and why would i say good things about a game i do not like very much in its current state.

I never said you couldn't like the game. I specifically said I wasn't responding because I didn't think you weren't allowed to have a low opinion. Yet you assert here again as if I implied otherwise. This is why I will find a way to pick at what you say. You are not saying things that indicate you understand my posts.

That is like saying hey buy this car its the best car around,then they ask you if you would drive it and what you think of it,You answer with its a piece of crap i would not drive it and it ugly as hell,Then they ask why you said it was good,and i say well because it is the #1 seller it must be good.

I never said that popularity and high quality were perfectly correlated. In fact, I made very few statements where I championed Overkill. The closest would be where I said I had high hopes for TWD whereas you do not. However, when talking about a multiplayer game's community dying out, popularity is an important factor.

Don't try to use the analogy of cars when you cannot even grasp the reality of a discussion about video games.

Just because something is popular or the most popular does not always mean it is the best.Either way i dislike the game and you seem to be all bent on the fact i do not and shared why i dislike the game.If someone chooses not to get the game by what i say that is on them not me,All i did was share how i feel i never said once to either buy it or do not buy it.

I don't care if you like the game. This is about the things that you said and the impression they give to others.

Seems like you are defending it because of what i said about it,how can you say your not defending it because you aren't entitled to my opinion of it being low,yet say given the context of my post,which means what i said.

I made clear why I was responding and I even echoed some of your complaints. I acknowledged some of them in my initial response and then said that the community buys the game anyway.This is not a thread about about what games you like. This thread has been about why multiplayer games die out. Reading your post where you say that a community is split and that people are angry with the devs doesn't magically make a reader think you are saying, "I don't like this game," instead of "this game's community might be in trouble because of the quality of the game and the conduct of the devs." That's my point. That's still my point. But now I have to make a bunch of other points because you've gone into greater detail about just how much you don't understand what or why I posted.

Though due to my lack of typing skills and being lazy it may have came across a little bit from what i was trying to say,either case i never said Payday 2 was dead or that co-op of Payday 2 is dead

If I were going to counter the assertion you didn't make--that PAYDAY 2 co-op is dead--I would have done that directly. You didn't say that directly. That's why I didn't counter it directly. You implied a somewhat poor outlook by your characterization of a split community and anger at devs. I countered that implication. And I'm not going to say that your statement implies that again because I've said it multiple times in this post and I've said it in previous posts. You clarified that you don't think the community is dying or dead. Good. We finally agree on something.

Payday 2 has a lot of players but the community is split and it has issues with cheaters and over priced DLC with the same broken promises.

And what do you think a reader is supposed to take from this in a thread about why multiplayer games die out?

No, I know I said I wouldn't say that you implied it again, and I didn't. Instead I implied you implied it. But I'm sure you inferred that.

Bottom line is i do not like it and that is that,i hate people who love a game so much that if anyone talks bad about it they feel the need to try down play your opinion and make it seem like they do not know what they are talking about.

Sidenote: You really need to stick with using the same pronouns when making statements. This applies to other segments of your post, but I digress.

I hate people who cannot parse or construct an argument and thus waste my time as I reply to their nonsense. No wait, that's not true. I love it. And I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. But not about PAYDAY. Your criticisms in general are not without merit. But your responses to me... of them I cannot say the same.

You seem like the type of person who buys a game and even if half the DLC they promised is not put out and later put out as DLC and they can not even be bothered with finishing up something as simple as your hideout,but yet some how find time to push DLC and over price it.

That's never happened. I'm not the type of person who buys very much DLC at all, and PD2 is no exception. I was not part of the community from the start so while I understand the whole "BROKEN PROMISES!" sentiment, it isn't one I have since no one made any promises to me. Let's see. I bought the game and the initial DLC that I purchased on sale, then someone gave me half a dozen or so DLC, and since then I have bought two DLC pretty much full price and been gifted a couple more. And I complained about the price and relative value of the DLC I paid for before I bought it. Like many others. So you're not making a point I don't share. You might want to rework your mental image of what sort of person I am. You'd probably be better off starting out with thinking I am a self-righteous, circumlocutory, argumentative pedant.

You make millions of dollars yet you can not afford a working drill

Really? You're complaining about a gameplay mechanic? Of course it's an artifice. Next you'll say, "A keycard for a security room doesn't really cost ten thousand dollars!"

But this again is a digression. This is not important.

you have to fight a piss poor clone of tom clancy and silly ninja and people in bomb suits.

Okay. That's kinda funny. I like that.

The A.I is hit and the only way they make it harder is by spamming more A.I

Now you're forcing me to defend the game. That's how every game makes wave-based gameplay harder. You introduce tougher and tougher enemies that may be unique to the difficulty level as well as increasing the number of enemies. But you're entitled to criticize this particular design choice. It's just when you criticize stock features of gameplay you should probably offer an alternative that you prefer. Just a suggestion.

I dislike the game for valid reasons and points just because you love the game despite all its issues and what not that is fine,hell i like some other games that are a lot find is crap like 7 Ways To Die

It is fine. It's fine that you don't like the game and it's fine that I like it. It's not fine that you like 7 Ways To Die. I assume that is a shitty flash browser game knockoff of 7 Days To Die. Though to be fair it's also not fine to like 7 Days To Die. Because now I'm arguing to argue. It's also not fine to like whatever game you have the most play time according to your Steam profile. Because I'm the kind of guy who hates that you like things that I do not like or do not like things that I like even if I don't know what those things are. Because I've decided to embrace your hatred of me. Or what you think I am. I am become fanboy, destroyer of haters.

You love the game i get it,i hate the game,get over it,the game is not that good i bought it i played it enough hours to know what it has to offer.Countless others love the game and good for them in the end that is all that matters is if the person who bought the product is happy not if someone else agrees with you.

Ah, but if you got it we wouldn't still be having a discussion. For Love of the Game is a Kevin Costner film that I have never seen in full. I want to; he plays an MLB pitcher and I love baseball. But that has nothing to do with our discussion. But then again neither does most of what you are responding to.

There are a lot more reason why i dislike the game but i did not know i had to go into great detail about every little thing to have a valid reason to dislike the game

This isn't about what you think of the game. This is about what you implied about the community.

Oh fuck. You made a liar out of me. I hope you're happy.

I never thought you sucked off over kill never implied or said that,that is all on you,but still does not change the fact you do not like people talking bad about it,other wise you would have not felt the need to clarify "what you think i should have said so my opinion did not stray any from buying it?

I said that I wasn't sucking them off preemptively not because you implied it but because I held out the dim hope that you wouldn't confuse me with a fanboy but understand why I responded in the first place. That's why I took the step of listing my own complaints about the game. To indicate that it wasn't about whether I liked the game or not. I did it with a humorous opening. Apparently this is something else you did not get. Perhaps that is my fault. Tone is not so apparent in text. I will take the blame here.

Sidenote: This response, while serious, is peppered with what I consider to be humor. Perhaps you disagree.

The game is not that great as a whole,but it still a lot of fun,still does not change the fact i dislike the game as whole.

My responses to you are not that great as a whole, but they are fun. Still, that doesn't change that you parse arguments like a PAYDAY 2 drill drills.

Wrong.

Firstly, unless you want to assert that Overkill are liars, they tweeted that there were only 250 Completely Overkill DLC left on the last day of its availability; which is consistent with what I saw amongst my friends and on the page listing the remaining packs available on the website--many people waited until the four masks were revealed before buying the DLC.

Secondly, the assertion that the Hype Train event was saved by Hotline Miami 2 has a critical flaw: it relies upon the precept that Overkill panicked, realized that they overestimated the dedication of the player base and enlisted help to reach their goal. Which is a fine assertion if we can positively say that Overkill had no intention of implementing their collaboration identically or similarly to the way that they did. Unless you have a source you can share, you can't.

Thirdly, the most important factor was the Spring Break sale and reveal of PD2 DLC. You want to assert that without HM2 the 10th wouldn't have been reached? Okay. You want to say that it was a "massive fail" without HM2? Get your facts about the Completely Overkill DLC sales straight and then retry stage.

Snark edit:

P.S. The pledge of support for two more years indicates that Overkill/Starbreeze are pleased with the revenue the event raised for them. Unless you wish to assert that their collaboration with Dennaton and tinyBuild included revenue from the sales of those studios' respective games, Over/breeze's announcement indicates that they themselves are satisfied with the event.