Microsoft fixed their mistakes, but these are mistakes that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Everyone should remember this, they tried to fuck you over as hard as they could, and it failed. They undid their mistakes because their console wasn't gonna do well, not because they care about you as a gamer.
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Sony is still ahead, better hardware and is cheaper.
For people how were whining about DRM, and fight for used games and offline gaming, and now say "I'm still going buy PS4 becouse M$ try to fuck me", next time big corporation will think twice before give you that what you fight for.
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I'd still rather have a ps4. I've always stuck with Sony pretty much because they have the games I want. That and it's cheaper this time around.
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Watch this and you guys might learn something. A lot of people are commenting even though they don't see the bigger picture.
People are complaining about the Xbox being more expensive, yet the PS4 will have different levels of PS4's including one that is more expensive than the Xbox so I don't get why people are upset about the price.
Also, at launch PS4 really has no first party exclusives. Both consoles are the same when it comes to launch titles so I don't know why people bitch about the games.
People also complained about the Xbox DRM yet Sony is headed there and it will happen with the PS4 and Xbox because that's the future of consoles.
When it comes to comparing the 2 as of now they both are on an even field. The only thing different about the two is games at this point.
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Pretty much what I have said before .. also ppl seem to be concerned with the camera.. although I dont see it as an issue
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I play primarily on the PC so it matters little to me, I'd say I'll just wait and see what happens, as I really don't care enough about the consoles to spend time analyzing everything to make a prediction.
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Yaay, playing games for graphics. Well, if you like PC games, stick with it, but does it really matter what are you using to play it? I love my wii games, even though graphics are reaaaally outdated now. I even bought SNES and N64 recently. Why would I care for graphics if the game gives me fun.
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If you are serious: stop being a troll and spreading misinformation. I'm a PC fanboy but you are just wrong. Some console games are crap, a lot of them aren't (and no they don't lag, not everything is made by Bethesda). PC only have graphics (okay and a shitload of other things) BUT gameplay can be everywhere, and gameplay is the thing that matters the most, graphics are only a nice extra. :P
If I understood your post wrong: I'm sorry, just woke up and my eyes are still sticky and my head is still a bit heavy :P
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Thanks for missing the point. Good luck playing console exclusives on your PC. ;)
I do agree: aiming with a controller sucks balls so I don't play any FPS games on console but there are a shitload of other genre's, you know... Or maybe you don't...
The point was: not all consolegames are crap, some are as good as the best PC games.
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I think that mouse+keyboard is best for FPS and strategy games. But I prefer controller for anything else. And I like how in most console games they're being made for one particular controller. In PC, it's usually X360 controller now. And you can't change the settings easily if you use a different one, that's annoying.
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Keyboard + mouse is good only for games with aiming and strategy games. Gamepad is superior for the rest of games no matter how you look at it. It's much more comfortable to hold, you can sit like a boss and relax. You don't need to sit in a stiff position like while playing with keyboard.. It's so much better than keyboard for racing games, for example, since there's analog stick. Try playing racing simulation game on keyboard alone and be good at it. Pulling out combos in fighting games is also much easier on good gamepad.
Both keyboard+mouse and gamepad are good for games, it's just that they are suited for different types of games. For most of them, it's better to use gamepad. Unless you stick only with RTS and FPS games, you should know that.
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I play on both PC and consoles, and I like consoles slightly more, because there's more games I find interesting. I have yet to get the console game that is broken. And they're usually patched quickly if they are broken. So it's a weak argument for PC being superior. Game mods are good thing though.
Also, learn a difference between fact and opinion. It may save your life one day.
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I never said that it only has graphics, read my post again. I just pointed out that this guy considers consoles outdated technically, like it ever meant much.
And being a fanboy is defending something mindlessly, searching for something you can get angry over and defend your beloved PC/console in every sentence somebody writes, that's what I meant. I never said that PC games aren't fun, but you still told me that I said that. Read posts carefully.
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Calling all console games crap = blind pc fanboy, yes.
Usually I defend PC fanboys because i'm one myself but you just talk shit about things you even dont know.
Everyone knows pc is superior but there are plenty of console exclusives which are as good than some of our best pc exclusives. That is a FACT.
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Nope, It's a fact.
Consolegames are bad is an opinion, pc's are superior compared to consoles is a fact. Main reason why high end pc's cost atleast 3 times more than a console, because they are better, which is a fact :p
Sure some prefer console exclusives but if that console exclusive would be developed for a high end PC it would be even better and could have more features :p
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Doesn't the high price "lower" the superiority of PC?
Anyway, I must admit, if you mean using PC for stuff like browsing the internet, making music, watching movies, playing video games and all the other things you can do, it is superior. But purely for games, I consider consoles to be much better. They're made for games (not really sure about that this generation), and they have visibly more exclusive games than PC (today, when it's getting less and less profitable to make a PC exclusive). At least it'll be easy to port console games for PC this generation.
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Even pure for games its superior. Free online gaming and all our bundles/sales make up for it over all those years. PC also has the ability to use controller and keyb and mouse, mods and has backward compatibility (and so many other things i cant think of atm) :p
If you only buy fifa once a year the sales wont really matter but since I play pretty much everything im cheaper with more expensive hardware and cheaper software :p
(I own every console too though, they all have awesome exclusives but when I have a choice PC it is :p)
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I really hate how bad PC with controllers is. Unless you have a X360 controller. It's pain in ass to play with my PS2 controller by using adapter. No games now have controller settings, which is really annoying sometimes. Game gets unplayable because of the button settings and I still end up playing it with a keyboard. Console is based around one controller, and the games are made for that one controller, so you always get the perfect settings for it.
As for online multiplayer, I've alwayes preferred the local multi, much more fun than online. Also, you see, you'll pay for a online multiplayer, but you'll get free games in exchange, so it's not really that bad deal.
Backward compatibility is great, but I don't really sell my old consoles anyway, so I'm okay with that too.
Also, consoles are much easier to use, and you don't have to upgrade them, buying a new laptop for over 3 times the price of console every few years is really too much for me, I guess. I can't really get stationary one, and laptops are pain in ass to upgrade.
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I'm not trying to prove that consoles are better or anything. I'm just trying to prove that it's not a FACT that PC is superior, it depends on your POV. It's a matter of prefference.
If you don't get what I've meant after this post, then I guess it's pointless to discuss this further just because you're dead set on your "opinion is a fact" thing. Or you're just trolling, and then it's even more pointless.
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Somehow I dont get a reply button on your other comment.
1: no you are using out of date garbage which was never designed for pc :p BUT since we are on PC there are plenty of workarounds. Dont blame the PC, blame the user who's using an heavily outdated controller who doesnt want to look for a workaround :p
2: We know enough. Driveclub (the game you get for free with plus) has limited content (a big demo).
3: older console dies, got to fetch a new one while they are more rare. New pc: install older games, worst case apply minor patch and there you go.
4: A desktop will last a console generation if you build it yourself (and dont care about maximizing stuff).
Whatever you say, all pros and cons kept in mind: its obvious. Feel free to think im a troll, I think you're a PS3 fanboy who isnt gonna give up. I'm at work, I got plenty of time :p. Enjoy your subscription based P2P gaming I would say ;)
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PS3 fanboy that never owned a PS3. That's what I am, yeaaah~
If I had PS3, I'd obviously use PS3 controller with PC :D
PS2 controller may be a little out of date, but it's comfortable, and works perfectly with emulators, and some games that you can change the settings in, like SFxTK for example. It's just the most games are missing these settings now.
Also, the consoles from before 7th generation are really hard to break. It's just that now we're doing everything as cheaply as possible.
And with these words, I give up. You have your opinion, I have mine, it's pointless to go on, I guess.
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i prefer sony since my childhood
but im not against xbox/microsoft
but i dont like the way they go
first they do so shit stuff
then they get the shitstorm of the ppl
and then they deny all they said before+
if they start like that they should have the balls they announced!
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Sony sure is still ahead. I mean, Microsoft showed their true colors. They want money. They didn't take off some of the restrictions because you wanted it. If it wasn't the number of preorders, they'd probably stick with them. And I'm pretty sure they'll use any chance they have to get money from you. I'd not trust them anymore now, I never did though.
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Yeah, because Sony clearly isn't after money. :)
Only reason that you would Sony isn't after money is due to good PR, which is investment by itself in order to get more money.
The only difference between Microsoft and Sony is that Microsoft was more daring and stupid.
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facepalm Fanboy? Fanboy of what? I do not own neither of the consoles.
If you don't know the most basic of the basic principles of business is to get money then I don't even know what to say to you. Or wait, maybe you think Sony isn't a business model and is just a bunch of gamers who only think about how to make other gamers happy?
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But Sony sure IS after money. They just know that we're still the ones that choose who will we pay for their gaming device. So they're not behaving like they're the only ones left standing in the console wars, like MS did. MS got burned, now everyone will learn from it, and that's good for us, gamers.
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I selled my xbox 360 and get ps3 3 days ago, already finished last of us (love it! :), tried uncharted and heavy rain and now i love sony exclusives, also i want to try GoW.
I don't really like xbox halo and gears of war series, only forza is good.
So i decide to take PS4 because i really want to see more exciting exclusives, on xbox one i see only 1 game i want to play - Ryse (or whatever it calls), but as mentioned on some review they said it clicks "X" button for you when you late to react, lol
Also nice to have ps+ (already get for free Kingdoms of Amalur, Uncharted 3, Xcom EU, Catherine and ~4 other games)
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PS4 is cheaper and more powerful, but sadly it does not have Halo. I would buy the PS4 instantly if it just would have Halo, but nope, Halo must be a Xbox-exclusive. I love Halo games. But I'm still not sure if I will buy the Xbox One, I need to see if Halo 5 or whatever it will be called is going to be good. If Halo 5 is not good, it will decrease the amount of Xbox One sales a lot, because Halo is one of the only big Xbox exclusives.
If Halo 5 is bad, I won't buy the Xbox One. Maybe I will buy the PS4, since it will have Killzone whateveritscalled, but if the new Killzone is also bad, I will just stay on PC. Well, maybe I will buy a console for Destiny, since that thing isn't going to come to PC anytime soon I heard.
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Yeah, I bought a quite powerful gaming PC just a few months ago, so I don't think I will buy any gaming consoles this year. Wait, I forgot, the next Halo game is going to be released in 2014, right? I can gather some money and maybe the Xbox One will be cheaper.
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Yeah, I wish that thing would be optional. I really don't want it, because I will never use the voice commands and I don't want to play any of the Kinect games. I'm not going to yell "XBAWX ON" because I can move my hand to press the start button. I feel like Microsoft thinks that everyone is lazy.
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Because people don't like the fact that the company is a business model. Yeah, they don't want the product because a company wants money. People are just that stupid.
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This so much, the stubborn sony fans are just disappointed that their main advantage is not the biggest selling point now and I'm saying that not as Microsoft fanboy because I would still buy a PS4 for their exclusives which should be the biggest selling point and the PS3 won there against the Xbox 360 and the PS4 will probably aswell (I love Platformers and there were sooooo few on the Xbox 360)
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That's how generalizing works ^^ If you're not ok with that, then I'll just call them bitchers, because they can't stop bitching around :P
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Its way too late, unless they can offer something Sony can't
They'll be remembered as the console that tried to bleed customers dry.
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By the gamers. People who aren't into consoles will buy it. In USA, you need just a good slogan, and many people will get it. I guess that's how they wanted to sell 1'000'000'000 of these. Still an unreachable goal, who did the math for them? No console ever reached 200 million. TV won't help.
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Fanboys will stick with what they like regardless, as will those who are looking for exclusive games on one of the platforms.
Early adopters may be swayed by these early announcements
As others have mentioned, I think most people will be swayed in the first few months of release based on feedback and the games available.
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The XBone has a weaker GPU than the PS4. This alone makes it a mystery why the PS4 is cheaper, despite having better graphics potential purely based on announced specs. Radeon HD 7770 vs Radeon HD 7850. An estimated 25% performance increase can be found within the PS4. Clock speeds of XBone/PS4 GPU are 1000/860 core clock speed and 2250/2400 memory clock speed. More comparison from XBone to PS4 include double the bus width (though I'm sure consoles will alter this), 40% more shaders, double the raster operators (better AA, potentially higher fps), and 40% more texture units (better bump mapping, more realistic textures with simulated depth).
The 7770 does perform fine on desktops for modern AAA games, but I'd still go for a 7850 or 7870.
All this being said, I'm still keeping my PC. A 7870 2GB will cost less than 300 USD this Christmas, which more than beats the performance claimed by Microsoft and Sony.
Can we really call it a war when there are no winners among the participants? PC gamers are literally 'in the cloud' looking down at the friends and descendants they left behind after they passed onto PC gaming. Just hurry up and get here, guys. You're becoming more and more PC gamer already just by upgrading your consoles each generation. It's getting to no longer be worth the money to have a console, when it used to be a GREAT deal purely on price.
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M$ have addressed how far behind consoles are compared to PCs by basically making it a giant voice-controlled TV remote... Are you telling me you dont want to pay $500 for a TV remote?!
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I think im going to switch over ps4 though i will miss the game i grew up with (halo) i'll still get more awesome games
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Nope. Kinect is still there and i don't like it at all. I don't need it and i don't want it, i don't care for tv features. They don't support indie developers, which is a huge selling point for me. This cloud computing magic thing needs to be seen and verified. I don't like their console at all, don't care for their games either. I think overall ps4 is a better choice, but i'll stick with pc.
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