Do you like Steam Guard?
If only it was minor annoyance.
Login on steam on the site? steam guard.
Login to the client? steam guard.
Make a trade? steam guard.
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The bad thing is oppening an emulator everytime I need it.
Making it far more stressing than 5sec on the phone.
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I use e-mail authenticator and phone number authenticator... The mobile app authenticator isn't THAT necessary.
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for 10 out of the 12 years i had the steam account steamguard didn't exist and i never had my account hijacked with email authentication. i'm not saying that the steamguard is any less secure, it's clearly even more secure then that. but i do see their point, it's over pushed (way too limited if you don't use it) for something that isn't entirely necessary. there could be some limitations on email auth over steamguard auth, but it's a bit overkill as it is.
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lol, I didn't swear anytime, but ok I guess... As I said, SGMA is annoyance and could have less cooldown on market sales
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My issue is: There's a sale ocurring. My top 1 wishlist game is 90% discount. I can't use my PC 'cause I'm in a shitty travel with family and won't go back home in time to buy it. So, I CAN buy it via my cellphone (wich doesn't have the Steam App to download for some shitty inconvenience).
BUT, by doing it, I need to remove my mobile authenticator, AND getting 15 days of market lockdown from the moment I get back home and activate the authenticator again, just because Steam doesn't give real attention to customers.
Annoying, to say the least.
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Thanks for what ? Explain me what are you thanking for ?
they are thanking me for backing up their point.
just cause you are lazy as fuck and cannot be asked to spend 30 second in confirming a log in you made a topic to cry about HOW USELESS the thing is ... Con fucking grats son
comments like this is why i see you consistently asking people "why am i blacklisted"... you're just so damn rude everytime you speak.
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Same as d3m4n here. Only very, VERY dumb people can get their account stolen, and yes, I got someone trying to steal mine in the past when Steamguard didn't exist, but nobody could. Imagine why?
They could just use what even banking sites uses, the usual code sent by SMS that everybody can receive without the need to buy the overrated smartphones.
Anyway, because of other reasons, I purchased a good smartphone from China this year, spending just 41€, so that problem is solved for me, but I have used an emulator too before when I needed it because some stuff was expiring.
It's really sad that because most Steam users out there are so dumb, everyone else has to pay :/
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"AW MAI GAWD A SITE THAT GIVES ME FREE 50 BUCKS TO BUY MY GAMES ON STEAM! HOLY COW I WILL SEND MY E-MAIL AND STEAM ACCOUNT PASSWORD SO I CAN RECEIVE THE MANEY!"
That's the type of people I've seen losing accounts in Steam...
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Nop i lost my steam account to a keylogger at a PC caffe actually .
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Lol... Using a public pc to login in accounts... Very clever...
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well that was the only way i could play online back in the day so yeah , clever indeed
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e-mail or cellphone message authenticator weren't a thing?
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4 years ago ? dont think so :)
Dont get me wrong , i get the part where it can be annoying and stuff ....
But as someone who lost couple years worth of games i rally think its the lesser evil ... and complaing about minor inconvenience triggers me a lot :)
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But they are now, and know what? they're better than the mobile authenticator.
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Sure, but when you get in the view of someone who doesn't have a way to use mobile authenticator propperly, you know the inconvenience becomes a hell and you hate the idiot's who tough that 15 days of lockdown was fine for the users who may have a problem...
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I still think you are wrong tho
I rather w8 15 days then log on to empty account ... :)
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I would rather wait 7 days or something like that... Half a month is a bother... But I guess I have to wait anyway... Thanks Valve!
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np ^^, i still voted yes personally while even understanding and agreeing with your points though. i do like steamguards extra layer of security as an option, but i don't like that it is as forced upon us as it is either.
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I myself voted Yes, lol... I like the security too, but as the title say, the authenticator is annoying for it's inconvenience sometimes...
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the authenticator could be used by e-mail or simple phone messages. My point is: If you don't have an Android or an iPhone, you can't use market propperly.
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Is bad, cause I could use so much more ways to athenticate, but they prefer to MAKE me use an Android or an iPhone to it.
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Not in my country, where electronics are highly overpriced! Most of my friends have Windows Phone also...
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But WP has Steam app aswell.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/steam/9nblggh4x7gm
Only problem is, if you don´t have smart phone.
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Aww, then I got it.:( What version of WP do you have?
Or which model of WP? I have Lumia 640 myself.
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I suppose unofficial steam auth for WP doesn´t work on your mobile too?
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Whenever I search for "Steam" in my phone's store nothing appears... :/
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And if you try to find it through google/microsoft website in your mobile phone? With unofficial app I had same problem in the past. But when I got to the website, I can download it without problem.
Otherwise you would need to upgrade to W10. Wish I could help you some way.
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Windows Phone only downloads apps by the store... :/
Any other way of downloading an app would be like instaling an unnoficial PC program, using my phone's usb, downloading a file to pass it to my phone and hope to not destroy it in the process... :(
Also, seeing a way to update to WP10 in the time being...
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Well on W10 I just google it and it open store for me with that app. If you can´t find it in store, then this should show you these apps and at least it would say you what problem it has. I didn´t mean download it outside of store.:)
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In the browser it appear to me, but in the store app it doesn't...
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By no means should treat people who don't have them as second-class customers.
Valve should have made it optional, like Blizzard did. Their authenticator was a great success, and yet not having it doesn't cut you off from using any elements of Battle.net.
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Tell me about it. I have a phone, but it's really bad and doesn't last very long without battery power (we're talking about 5 minutes if I'm lucky). I always mentally groan whenever I need to log into steam but realized I forgot to charge my phone beforehand.
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after using steamguard for 15 days you will get no downtime for trades.
so just wait for 15 days
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Sometimes I'm not at home
https://github.com/Jessecar96/SteamDesktopAuthenticator
or
https://winauth.com/
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The emulator is fine in my PC, like I said in another reply, the problem is that my e-mail account and windows phone can't be used as authenticators...
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Running an Android emulator only to authenticate is a waste of resources when you can use one of those options. If you still like to use it, look if there's a way to make it portable to save it to a USB flash drive.
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My problem is not that... It is that I COULD authenticate with my Windows Phone via message or e-mail (or even an app if they made an WP version) but they force me to use an android/iOs app to use the market propperly!
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WinAuth is portable. I keep one on my OneDrive, with a password required to start the program. I have a Lumia and use five different computers on a daily basis, and have no problems logging in with Steam Guard enabled.
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Is it possible to have WinAuth and mobile authenticator enabled at the same time? I'd love to have a windows version so I wouldn't have to play hidden objects around the house each time I want to confirm something. But at the same time a game of mine (CS:GO) requires mobile authenticator for certain game types.
If yes, is it the "Import Android" thingy?
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Yes, if you import from Android, WinAuth essentially duplicates that and acts like a second authenticator. You can use your phone and WinAuth in parallel.
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Awesome, cheers! I only hesitated because of that! (Köszi még egyszer)
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Another issue is you need a capable phone to even use the phoneless options (something I do not have). I have a VOIP line (that can get SMS) but VOIP is not allowed.
Edit: Pay as you go phones don't work either, and a basic cellphone plan for the SMS is too expensive coming in at just over $100 a month for something I have not needed before this.
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I can understand why free VOIP websites that share the number with anyone who connects to the site, not sure why a private VOIP number isn't allowed. It's my home phone number after all.
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a basic cellphone plan for the SMS is too expensive coming in at just over $100
Wow. Where I live (Spain) a basic (contract) cellphone plan without data is free, and you can receive SMS with it.
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Dude, buy an android phone. There are dirt cheap models which are still more than enough for Steam app.
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Why would I buy an android phone JUST to use steam authenticator?
Also, here in my country, phones are highly overpriced!
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Why? Use it as a phone also.
I don't like spartphones either - prefer old button type, but I bought myself one for Steam. And few other thing I found usefull like maps etc. Don't see any problem here.
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Already have a Windows Phone. Would be a waste of money as I use my phone to everything, like school things and etc...
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I heard that there is no official Steam app for WP.
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App doesn't appear in Lumia 630 Windows Phone 8.1 Store's.
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There's already an e-mail and phone messages authenticator to receive login codes, but they don't resolve the market problem.
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Most accounts were stolen by phishers and not malware anyway, sooooo..... SGMA doesn't help here.
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I thought they already released a Windows Phone version of the Steam app?
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How I wish that was true... But I think steam don't give a cap about Windows Phone users... :/
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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/steam/9nblggh4x7gm
I guess it's only for newer versions then?
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the "require certain hardware" part make it doesn't even appear in my phone's store... :(
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Where's the fire? If you can't wait until you get back home to accept friend requests or a gift then you have much bigger issues. Those things can wait and no one will suffer for doing so.
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or using phone browser to buy a game on sale when you can't use your pc, that is home, and you can't go home for like weeks, cause your parents made you travel with them to your grandma and your cousins sucks!
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Excuse me. You sound like a child who didn't get the candy. Anyway, since when do you need mobile authenticator to buy games on Steam? That never happened to me.
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I know. But logging in is fully possible without mobile authenticator if it's such an "urgent" case as buying a game on sale with best deal ever.
OP's answers to everyone is like an endless "First world problems" meme
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Nope. I need to enter in the mobile authenticator to get the code, or CANCEL TOTTALY THE MOBILE AUTHENTICATOR, so I can use my phone message or e-mail authenticator and,with that, get weeks or a month to use the market again to sell game itens/cards.
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Thanks for explaining the obvious. You still sound like a dipshit child who CAN'T GET THE GODDAMN CANDY.
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"But logging in is fully possible without mobile authenticator" no, it's not. I need to get the code in the authenticator to login. It wasn't obvious as you clearly stated the opposite...
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What I meant was that you can deactivate mobile authenticator and login with email code like before, if you really need to login.yeah yeah 15 days no market boohoo Which means "logging in is fully possible without mobile autheticator".
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And those 15 days are the annoying and bothersome part... Yep it IS annoying... A lot of people think it too... 7 days would be better as it is a good time to recover an account and you don't need to waste time waiting to fully use it again...
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"Since when do you need mobile auth. to buy games on Steam? That never happened to me."
I need to authenticate whenever I try to enter Steam on my cellphone. AND, sometimes I buy games by there, 'cause I'm not always close to my computer.
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The way SGMA is forced on you is why I haven't spent a single cent on Steam store since they introduced the 15-days wait thing. I use it, but I refuse to support Steam anymore. Almost every game is a Steamworks game these days, you can get them elsewhere easly. Or on GOG. Win-win.
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You could do like I do, I've got mine on a tablet I picked up from Walmart for $30 on clearence :)
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Electronics in my country are highly overpriced... :(
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Yeah, my phone doesn't do Steam but I grabbed an older reconditioned Android tablet off eBay dirt cheap that is useful for a whole bunch of stuff (not just porn).
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I really love coming across your comments on here. You never make me regret that blue heart.
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Well if you dont want to get some sort of portable desktop authenticater you can go to your accout management page and get a couple of backup codes. These are valid as steam guard codes until you use them -> https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage
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Thanks for the MOST VALUABLE tip I had about this annoyance!!! :D
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somehow Steam always tells me those are not valid when I try one...
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Well I can only guess here
- Only the most recent set is valid, if you create new ones all old unused ones expire
- The one time codes are 7 characters long and therfore longer than the normal 5 characters steam guard codes from the app
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not MY windows phone. The app doesn't appear in my store, maybe cause mine is from when Lumia was a Nokia phone.
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I had an unofficial app for my Nokia Lumia 630 using windows 10 and worked good
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I didn't download the windows 10 update because of fearing it could glitch my phone or something like that... I'm on Windows 8.1 Update 2.
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I have an awesome smartphone, it just isn't compatible with the Steam app...
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2017
Not owning a smartphone
Is totally legit. Some people have no use for smartphones, as simple as that. I prefer battery life. Hell, if they weren't so old (no new ones made), I'd be still using my Nokia E51.
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Steam Guard is inconvenience yes, but Valve only trying to make Steam environment safer. Most if not all 2FA does use mobile device, whether it's the phone number or authentication app.
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sure, but the 15 FReAKING DAYS are the worst! I mean: "Here, Steam, I authenticated with my phone, my e-mail and my phone number, can I please sell my cards now?? -Nope, wait 15 days!"
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Most importantly, Valve needed an excuse not to provide support to people who got screwed. And now they got an excuse.
"No SGMA? Your fault."
"You used SGMA and got screwed anyway? Well, you took all responsibility by accepting the ToS, so, no support."
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It's not making steam safer. And it somehow even make it more unsafe - many people who don't have android/iphone have to use emulators on PC, and this way if pc is infected (which is, actually, was only way to "hack" steam before) - authentication data is available to fraudster, unlike email steam guard. So, by making mobile authentication compulsory, Valve leaves some people unprotected.
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but I want to get money to buy gifts to giveaway :c
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There's a Steam app on Kindle. I use it for auth. since I don't have a smartphone. Thought I'd make the suggestion just in case.
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Windows Phone 8.1, Lumia 630... Not a single app in my store to download... :/
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I don't mean to sound rude, but why not simply get an android phone? You don't need to get a brand new phone, get a cheap used one. Literally anything will run the Steam app, I think.
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because electronics in my country are HIGHLY overpriced. Like... If I would travel to, I don't know, the USA, to buy an android, it would cost at least 5 times cheaper than buying it in my neighborhood... :/
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Wow, that's shit! I feel you, car parts for my car are a lot more than in UK.
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Sometimes I'm not at home and need to login on Steam to accept a gift, a friend or anything like that, and i remotely deactivate SteamGuard.
Just wait until you get home. Waiting for a few hours won't kill you.
Stop acting so entitled.
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The hassle of switching phones is too annoying imo. I have one phone that I only use for the Steam app, I learned that the hard way. Once had a problem because I sold one of my phones but I didn't deactivate the steam guard, I did a factory reset and couldn't access the Steam app anymore had to contact support. Took way too long for them to answer all in all wasn't able to access market for a month. Sigh, I wish there was an option to disable this crap.
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the app gives you a one use code to disable the steam guard in the same tab that generates the codes to login, it has a red border and it says please keep this code somewhere safe. heck steam also let you generate around 30 1use codes to login in case you dont have access to your phone
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Exactly. There are ways to prevent mishap, if people exhaust them all I really have no comment for them.
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Well, steamguard itself is not a bad idea, BUT making mobile authentication compulsory (because, come on, making escrow was just a way to make your steam usage unbearable without 2fa) is bullshit. E-mail based steamguard worked just fine, and if you compare it to an android emulator or software like sda or winauth it is even more secure (because, you know, if your second factor in 2fa is phisically placed on the same PC - it's much less secure then email on some third-party server). I'd be glad if people could chose between email-based and mobile-based 2fa, but Valva asks noone, they just do what they want.
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Everytime I need to buy a 90% sale game when I can't wait days or weeks to get to my computer to buy it, like happened last time, I almost don't buy the game so I don't receive the 15 days market lockdown...
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Please clarify, but you can't sell games on the market, and you don't need the authenticator to buy games. I may be misreading, so if you meant something else let me know.
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Sell cards and game itens. I need the authenticator to login.
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Really? When I didn't have the authenticator enabled, I just set it to remember me. Then I went home and accepted everything. Or just use email to log in and put up with the wait.
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Yep, but the wait time was annoying, so I downloaded the android emulator, and wait is gone... Then I needed to remove mobile authenticator and got lockdown in the market for 15days...
The time you activate the authenticator, you need it to login everywhere from then on...
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Steam guard is something not to protect us, but to protect Valve. How many people was scammed and left crying in valves ears... Now, if someone scam or hack you, if you dont have the Steam Guard on, they wont do a thing to solve your problem. Just like a insurance policy "if it didnt happened the x way, we wont do nothing."
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Do you have a Windows Phone with Win10 Mobile? It's on there too.
There's also a desktop authenticator that gets the job done if you don't have a smartphone.
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Downloaded the desktop authenticator... My Windows Phone is 8.1 and it doesn't show Steam app nor even the unnoficial one... I'm trying to see a way to update my phone to Win10 so it MAYBE solve my problem...
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Which model phone do you have? My service provider refused to push the update to my Lumia 640, so I cheated and used the Windows Insider program. You might be able to do that on your phone. Just use the Release Branch to avoid the bugs ;)
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Nokia Lumia 630, Windows 8.1 Update 2.
Working on Windows 10 update
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Oh yeah, they said the 630 isn't compatible. So that option won't work. If you're willing to fork over the money, you can get the 650 from the Microsoft store for about $130. It comes with win10 and it's really nice.
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Damn... Looks like I won't be buying some games for a while... :/
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My phone is really old, 7 years already. Steam Guard is utter garbage, takes centuries to confirm anything.
I wish it wasn't obligatory =_=
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+1
Though my phone isn't that old. It's a rare thing if I get something confirmed without seeing the "try again later" message. Also, more of then than not the confirmation page comes up empty even if I get the "you have actions to confirm" notification. Frustrating!
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Oh yea totally. I have to terminate the app process and start guard again to confirm anything.
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I don't own a phone (mobile or landline - by choice). I use Steam Desktop Authenticator. I've only had to set it up once. I built a new pc a little while ago & I just copied over the files for it & I didn't even have to set it up again. I like using it as it has an option to auto-confirm all market items I list waiting for confirmation without me having to confirm each & every single one of them one by one. I only run the app after I'm done adding items to the market then I turn it off once I'm done.
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I don't have an android or iOS phone, so I must wait long time to see my itens selling in the market. I downloaded an Android Emulator, so I could have SteamGuard and sell the itens faster.
BUT
Sometimes I'm not at home and need to login on Steam to accept a gift, a friend or anything like that, and i remotely deactivate SteamGuard.
AND
After that, I need to wait like 15 FREAKING DAYS to use the market again, even if I reactivate the SteamGuard again before! This annoys me so much, 'cause I have like hundreds of cards now, and can only sell them after February 28! Why Steam make me suffer like this?
The point is: 15 days is ridiculous. 7 days would be fine to recover an account and stuff, but HALF A MONTH is annoying, yes... I like the security stuff, but the downsides when you face then are a reaaaal bother.
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