According to wikipedia, Ibero-America includes Portugal, Spain and Andorra =p
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That would be because it's the southern portion of a map created by the cartographer Amerigo Vespucci. He is responsible for proving that the "new world" was not the eastern coast of India or China. The name America comes from Latin version of Vespucci's first name: Americus. So really... both labels kind of have little to do with their geographic locations or cultural compositions.
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Lol that's over 500 years ago. We've calling it Latin America for a while now =)
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Why do you call it Latin America? There is no more use of Latin based words in either culture... and there is certainly not a country called Latin or Latino... so why Latin America.
In short... it's all kind of a mute point. :-D
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Actually, both Portuguese and Spanish (and French, because we also have French Guiana) are Latin languages (also called Romance or Romanic languages), so I guess that's why. =)
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I guess I could just reduce this to... it's not a region... it's a continent?
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Continents are arbitrary in ascription, anyway, having nothing to actually do with continental tectonics, and thus just basically being 'this land mass is significant enough to qualify'.
And asserting separation by cultural distinctions is a valid set parameter, so I'm not sure what the issue is.
The only issues are when a word or phrase has an unclear meaning or is used for a meaning it doesn't have, or is offensive in nature. In this case, everyone knows what the phrase refers to.
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I'm in that region and we are not part of south america, we are in central america also north america according to wikipedia
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Or lets push for a totally new name instead ! Like ... idk, Turtlerica. or maybe Turtlevania?
if i get enough votes here, im gonna start a petition to change your region name to whatever we agree upon ! ^_^
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I was going to write a movie. It was about a former CIA agent who's daughter gets kidnapped, but it was Taken. Then I thought I'd write another movie about an ex-CIA agent who's wife gets kidnapped, but it was Taken 2.
-Former Gov. Jesse "The Body" Ventura (impersonator)
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South America 12 states
Latin America 20+ states
Regions Steam lists 21 > yup L.A. would be more applicable
This is a restricted gift which can only be redeemed in these countries: Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Bahamas, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia, Guyana, Suriname, Brazil, Mexico
^ hadn't known myself exactly - South America sounds weirdly greater than Latin America which comprises even more ethnicities
don't remember where it shows South America, but thats what i had memorized for the Steam Region as well ...
might be on receipt of the Gift or on "non affiliated" Steam Sites (Steam DB ++)
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Imagina se resolvessem chamar a gente aqui de Argentina do Norte, hein ;p
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Its like ROW thats use the same keys of north america, they are not in the NA region, duh
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Technically, NA uses ROW keys- NA actually has a NA region tag, as do many other ROW regions (eg, UK). They're just not often used. Neither is WW, though, so I think most publishers just went to ROW for the convenience of a single, commonly understood tag.
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Guyana, Suriname and a few others are not part of Latin America :P. Latin America is just as problematic as SA when it comes to labeling. No point in changing it :D
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I will drop this (is in spanish) Delimitaciones de América and as it can be seen there is no correct term to describe the region given by Steam, so let's say "everything south of USA" I think it is more accurate.
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It's just typical USAnian name. They are America, so everything under them is South (of - but it's mute) America. Canada gives them problems, as it's borh North and East, so they just call it "America" too.
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Valve uses this region because it is convenient for them and there isn't a simple term that properly encompasses the collection of countries.
Mexico is considered part of North America, and we don't consider Canada to be part of America.
Also, "USAnian"--let go of the etymological non-debate on our use of the term "America" and "American". Our demonym is sound and trying to undermine it--even jokingly--just smacks of bitter anti-Americanism (yeah, that's right).
'Murica, fuck yeah!
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Nobody considers Canada part of anything. :X
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As a Canadian you remember that we invaded Canada when it was still part of the crown. Canada was like, "Sorry, you can't have us, eh."
I like Canada. Canada is like America, except less high-strung. Must be all the tension relieved from the hockey fights.
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Mhmm and then we went and burned down the White House :P.
I feel you are right about hockey XD.
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In moments like this, I'm not sure if I should go further with joke or not. And I didn't get my morning amount of blood and gore, so I'm still kinda sleepy, so I'll skip the chance for giggles.
Have a good day.
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I suspected you were joking and I don't think you're bitter. I said what I said because others here are very serious about this topic.
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Yeah, there's probably someone who actually would think what I wrote in totally serious tone and everything.
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That's false.
Americans assert Canada is imaginary, and thus there is nothing in North America other than America.
Wrong premise, same end result :P
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El termino correcto que deberia usarse es LATAM, o sea LATino AMerica (tambien sirve en ingles LATin AMerica), dentro de esta clasificacion se incluye a paises como Mexico que no estan geograficamente dentro de Sudamerica (lo mismo para Centro America y el Caribe).
P/D: I have my steam client set in EN, since some years ago when the lenaguage set in the client was use as default lenguage for the games you donwload.
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Sigue sin resolver el problema de que paises como Guyana y Surinam están incluidos dentro de sudamérica pero no de latinoamérica.
Insisto que referirse a las regiones por número es más simple y menos conflictivo.
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They should probably just refer to both regions by numbers like what they do with europe and drop the south/north thing since it doesn't do much sense anyway.
You know, AM1 and AM2. That way it's simpler to understand.
PS: I recently runned into a problem thanks to this confusing nomenclature, because for some publishers SA is literally the south american sub-continent instead of the weird definition of it that valve has.
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The problem with that is United-Statians think "America" is just the name of their country XD
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Yeah, that's an issue. But I've seen them refer to the continent as "Americas" so they could just call it that. One little s isn't a big deal at all.
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False. Almost no one thinks that. Everyone here knows the name of our country is The United States of America, which is often shorted to "The United States" "The U.S." "USA" or "America".
Our demonym is American and America is an accepted term for our country as no other country uses that demonym.
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It is used, but it's not precise. I'm Brazilian and also American, as a French person is European. You missed the point, which actually proves mine
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I am a proponent of being called "Statesmen" instead. However, that's already used to refer to people working in government.
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The point that you made was that we think "America" is the name of our country, which we do not. Is it a term used for our country. It is also the name of the two continents. We know this. So your point is false.
The demonym for citizens of the United States of America is American. The demonym for citizens of Federative Republic of Brazil is Brazilian, not American, since America is nowhere to be found in the name of your country. The demonym for citizens of the United Mexican States is Mexican. These things all naturally follow.
The demonym for all inhabits of the two continents is "American", but this is very rarely a point of confusion with the demonym "American" in referring to U.S. citizens or culture as context generally informs the listener as to which is being referred.
You can't prove your point by asserting that I missed your point when your point is based upon a false precept, that most Americans (you know which kind I mean) don't know the official name of their country or that in much less frequent examples the term "American" has a much wider context.
Nonetheless, the backlash against the the use of the term "American" to describe U.S. citizens, the country, and its culture, is without much merit.
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I know plenty of Americans that do think that [America is solely used for referring to the nation], and aren't aware of basic geography- namely, anyone who has had to go through Texas's infamously poorly performing public school system, where we were taught such things as matter of fact.
(And the us consistently scores extremely low in international rankings to that effect, besides- Namely, in the years that Geographyzone was up, the usa consistently placed dead last in the 149 nations represented.
While a single assessment and a few small studies aren't firm confirmations of the matter, there's enough supporting data from other studies, the overall poor international ranking of us education, the understatement of geography education in the us, general social interactions to the effect, our news differing from most others internationally in how they reference geography, the lack of constant regional interaction as with [ex, Europe], the prevalence of gags to the effect, and more, that it can reasonably safe to consider it as having some measure of validity to it.
How much of the population is represented- whether a very small minority, or a strong majority, is another topic- rather, without more data to work with, it's as hard to argue that Americans do behave in the manner, as it is to argue that they do not, given that some number certainly do.)
That aside, the point here however, is that there's no general term for people from the Americas, other than American, like European for people from Europe.
That is, we're discussing large-scale regional terms, not nationally specific ones.
The use of American must thus be able to be used both for referencing the nation, and the region, a matter which you've dismissed by asserting its propriety only in being used to reference the nation.
In other words, yes, you are completely missing Mako's point, and supporting it :P
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That you "know" plenty of Americans who do think "that" and "aren't aware of basic geography" is irrelevant anecdote, and his original claim about Americans necessarily requires that Americans are demonstrably more ignorant than others on this specific issue. When you find a credible source indicating that, let me know. I attended schools where basic things such as a demonym for people from the Americas was taught; I don't know about the standard of education where you live. But then again, that's just another anecdote, isn't it?
It is false that there is no general term for people from the Americas. It's American. It's not often used--especially in English--because there just aren't as many contexts in which it is necessary to refer to broadly and vaguely to the entirety of the western hemisphere rather than the United States or U.S. citizens. But that doesn't mean there's no general term. If you do an internet search, many quite standard sources like a plain ol' online dictionary will indicate that America and American have a variety of meanings, including one that refutes your point.
A bigger reason why the term isn't popular is because the Americas are geographically and politically considered to be two continents, so it's more likely that someone refer to people of either the North or South American continent, and thus use the term North American or South American (or Central American), rather than American. That it is uncommon used has nothing to do with whether there is a general term.
As MakoSipper makes more clear in his second reply he does believe in the general term "American" for the people of the Americas, and he has demonstrated in this mini-thread and elsewhere in the thread that he does not believe in it as a demonym for U.S. citizens (specifically because he believes it the demonym of people of the Americas). As he believes that and you believe there is no general term, you cannot then assert that I have proved his point valid as his core precept is not merely ignorance amongst U.S. citizens regarding other uses for the words America and American, but that they are valid (more valid to him) terms for the Americans and its peoples.
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Well the issue with this is that both regions would have completely different locks and might cause confusion when in EU it is a pricing difference. EU 1 & 2 are both Row while AM1 would be Row and AM2 would be locked.
However, I actually feel that a system similar to this would be the best way to go about things.
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valve: central america? mexico? you mean there's something living there?
let's just put them all together in the same region, no one will care about them.
thanks valve.
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Antigua & Barbuda? You mean there's something living there?
(sorry, couldn't resist the joke... but I love you all the same! =p)
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After reading this entire post, I've come to the conclusion that ...
you have too much free time.
-_-
It's okay, so do I
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I'm just glad the EU2 isn't called Eastern Europe. :3
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I only know home and far far away ( which is everthing behind the trees)
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Because it is south America. And USA and Canada is called north America.
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I propose we divide it as AAA America (USA), DLC America (Canada) and Indie America (rest of it).
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Why does the middle east is called middle east?
middle of what? to where?
where does the middle ends? and why does it ends?
mind blown!
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Well, I guess I should be happy they didn't call it Latrine America
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After reading the whole thread, I'm definitely sure I must have been at work 24 minutes ago.
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I mean, why is the region called South America if it includes countries from Central and North America? Why not "Latin America"?
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