Not today... Started on 9/12 a decade ago when Bush wanted to control everything and declared war to terrorism. From that that on Patriot Act allowed the US government to do ANYTHING to protect the US. And look where we are today (already a year ago the whistle was blown) with the NSA...
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IDK if you can do this but if you can and if it breaks not rules of the steamgift but can you link us to the article or your source of information?
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If that were true, then the majority of DRM out there would not exist. The DMCA would not exist. And many other things out there that infringe on peoples freedom of speech would not exist.
Freedom of Speech is great, up to a point.
If I spread all over the net your real name and address and put up lies about you being a child molester, or that you abuse women or animals. Or if you worked for a church that was known to speak out against homosexuals and I put up lies about you having a sex with someone of the same sex. Would you say that is free speech? I doubt it specially when it effects you personally. It could effect your job or getting a job, it could effect your family life. But none of its true, and its just "free speech".
At least some of the laws that were done were to help stop stuff like I mentioned above, and to help stop cyber bullies.
When I was a kid I was bullied. But I could go home and for the most part the bullying was left in school and I could get away from it. Once I was out of school it didn't effect me. Today however kids and even adults can't get away from their bullies. They can bully them at school and work, they can bully them once they leave school and work. The bullies can put stuff up on the internet which can follow someone for the rest of their life, why because once something is on the net, it can be very hard to get it off if you don't know where to go or who to contact and if you don't catch it early.
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Seriously, is that difficult to pull off the plug or avoid a website? Man, do we really need the internet police because of some unattended kids?
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They try to "fix" the internet while the real world is fucked up. Alright then. I ll be polite here but an anarchist in real life.
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The internet should be free. Of course it hasn't been free for a long time with various agencies patrolling the digital streets, but if they're even going to cut off free speech then it's time to build a new internet. With blackjack and hookers!
While I agree that some people take their online comments far beyond what is decent human behavior (the apparent nonchalance with which people throw around death threats can be especially offputting), I tend to refer to some wise words when it comes to cyber bullying.
Besides that, can you give any proof for your claims? The articles you posted don't seem to have anything to do with what you're saying.
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That case link you posted really has almost nothing to do with the internet.
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I am talking about the case link. Where you clearly labeled it. She harassed herself on the internet and took it outside in the real world, therefore the internet has nothing to do with her.
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It was a false accusation. Whether it was online or not is irrelevant. She went to the police and accused people of something she had done herself.
Likewise, the Twitter case has more to do with the fact that they were cracking down on anti-government activists than whether or not it happened online.
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Exactly, which was taken outside in real life and that's why the internet is not part of this case anymore.
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Does hiring a hitman in DarkRP (GMod) count as a crime?
Edit: I was being sarcastic.
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are you crazy? we are talking about what people say being held against them online not fumble fuck crazy.
We are talking about n new wave of insanity online.
I don't agree with it. . .
I mean the two people put in jail over twitter were saying they wished someone dead. . .
but in Canada you say the F word to a homosexual they'll be able to charge you with a hate crime. . .
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I think I am mentally fit. I just think it's kind off the same thing, every time I play these type of online games I get responses as:
"I wish you get hit by a car"
"Your mom is my girlfriend"
"You have two dads"
Yet, I don't think it's jail worthy.
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One more thing, most of the people who say these stuff are like 5.
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still those people have been charge before:
12 & 14 year old charges dropped after parents paid fine.
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No one is also being killed after he posts these type of threats. They are just trolls.
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It's still part of the internet, isn't it? I just don't think people should be taking stuff these seriously.
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I don't support people being dicks to each other. I just don't think it should be taken to an extreme level where you could be jailed and fined.
This law should be applied to stuff like blackmailing and threats. Then that's where I will start supporting it.
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make no mistake:
these laws are written as such but. . . like I said with the hypothetical you where instead of thinking you got offended . . .speaks volumes from an anthropological scenario.
Anyway when laws are set for the net, like the piracy argument with what is theft the same line is drawn with harm. ..
(lol not hypothetical you a hypothetical I) If I say "I'm going to kill you" online where is the line?
Is it my avatar vs yours
me vs you?
my account vs yours
a joke a threat?
If you get it it's ok if not then shit?
Also there are many different cultures on the internet: we are all not USA or western. . . there are many different cultures with different norms and ethics. . .
A wishing someone well in one culture can be a punishable by death in some. . .
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I wouldn't consider the other 2 cases as 'trolling'; more like of being a complete asshole. I dislike this type of stuff but I don't think it's worthy of jail.
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where's the line? you don't draw it so who does. . that's the issue right?
Where you see it as OK and fun someone else just needs to be hurt. .that's where Canada is a big deal. 90% of our laws are based on harm reduction so if someone is harmed our law says hey!
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Don't put words in my mouth. I said he's being a complete asshole for what he said; never said it was fine to insult someone in that way. All I did say was that it's not worthy of jail. People speak shit all the time, it's part of our human race, sadly.
The maximum punishment I would agree on would be removing him from the internet for some time (A month or a two).
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why do you people not know hypothetical you. . I'm not saying you say. . . I'm saying if you.
Also Its a old statement a cliche nothing to do with you. . . base old argument about harm:
Said who draws the line. . . nothing about you. Honestly I assume most people have heard some of these before. sorry no offence intended I assume too much of people's reading comprehension.
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"Where you see it as OK and fun someone else just needs to be hurt." Is there an 'if you' here?
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still hypothetical you. . if you don't comprehend that I feel sorry for you. . .but I can't change that only express that I really wasn't saying you said. . . If you still are hurt nothing I can do. . . I made the gesture to prove I din't mean ill harm.
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Well, it all comes back to your writing. You should have wrote it in a proper, understandable way so I can comprehend it the way you want me to.
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Why would you want to block him? He would probably get humiliated by your actions. What is the number for the internet police?
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Creative over boasting doesn't make me a fool does it?
Trolls wont end though I'm sure many people will be hit with fines and see jail time. . . but it won't end really just more the days of accepting the notion of being able to say anything on the net without consequence due to anonymity. That headline would be too much for some to comprehend or even care so shock and awe. I mean I am addressing this group. . . not my old university class that I had before my mental breakdown soo yeah . . sigh.
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BTW the Canadian law is not against trolling, its against cyber bullying/stalking. There actually is a difference. I haven't read the other links yet so I don't know if they are using the word "troll" in a manner it should be or if they actually mean a cyber bully/stalker.
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me why? This is a thing that is happening. I should feel bad by informing people here that there are motions happening towards making people who live to cause grief my be held accountable for their comments?
Or I should feel bad because. . well you feel like it?
What is a bad idea?
I uno what this comment means? Do you feel bad and wish others to feel the same way?
lol how? I'm not making the laws mentioned here.
I'm trying to inform people of facts of things so they can make motions like write their MLAs MP's.
I'm trying to in from people so they think twice about making comments that may end up getting them charged or put in jail.
How is this bad?
The laws over internet are so bad in turkey people are rioting over stuff like this. But EU and Americans just wait and watch and say. . that's bad. Yet say they don't vote and stuff like that. Meh.
over 10 million in fines have been given out in the past 2 years and these new bills in motion are pretty extreme.
Who's saying no? every political leader is trolled online. So are their kids. So who says no, not them they get death threats on their twitter called names and most take it. many of them are itching for a way to make everyone held accountable for what they say online. You think they are gonna make a law for one site or everything online?
Will the same EUlAS on a website save people from prosecution? the same thing this site denounces.
It's funny many people do the hypocritical thing online they get hurt in real life and hurt others online for they feel empowered and thus make it so that the circle continues. . . We say the big guy bad small guy good. . . we bitch about everything and never take action seeing as even the most real thing is debated till there is no truth left. People think the internet should be free only to them . .. yet gasp when people do something horrid. . . yet we think that these horrid acts should be ok b/c we want free. . . I uno I'm open and honest with all things. . I am who I am online as I am IRL.
I proudly admit I'm autistic. . . That I'm weak and that I'm here only to in from people of things. I never mean ill will . . apologize when I err. . .which is funny b/c every mis-step I make everyone is on my like flies. . yet when people call each other dumb-ass and just treat other people like crap they let that slide.
But Mark my words these charges against people "having fun at other peoples expense" will slippery slope to a point where people are suing each other. People getting fined. . . sure yeah it seems harmless at first but once someone gets hurt then it is on.
I'm with the law for people giving death threats and stuff but these laws are written for people who feel threatened. On the internet we are many cultures from many countries. . . what you say to whom varies from place to place. . . As I said earlier once laws hit the net the issues become many. saying bless you can have you put in ail in some countries. . . think about that.
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I wasn't saying specifically you, I was saying the entire program as a whole to block internet speech is a terrible idea and we should feel bad about it
No insult intended, sorry about the misunderstanding
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no they do. . just most people forget what trolling is. ..
The attempt to get a rise from others that's why these laws are a big deal now a toll has intent and means. So one law could mean a crazy backlash. Trolling happens naturally with some. I do it too.
But because a troll's intent is to cause a reaction. . . from fun to causing harm . . .these laws are blanket laws right now and the basic idea is where is the line drawn?
There's a great video on it here
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nice troll lol. that brings another point tho, this could end up blurring the lines of a harmloss joke and a troll meant to do harm. like someone on a hidden camera show, most of the time its all funny and good times. then you get the guy that gets so pissed off during the joke or claims such an experience has caused him trauma or some bs in order to sue or have an excuse to just be an ass about it.
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im not in favor of this but what do they think is going to happen if they lock down the net this hard. the ddos attacks we see now that affect certain things will become a huge problem. people will not sit by and stay silent when their "freedoms" are being taken. no matter how childish it may be there will be certain groups and individuals that will feel this way and try to disrupt things on a larger scale. may not last forever but still it will become ridiculous for a time.
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thats my point people wont stay silent and the worse the situation gets the louder the people will be
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There seems to be a connection to what people say to each other when they're online and when they're behind the wheel, driving. Driving is much older than the internet. And yet, laws about talking on the internet are introduced while no laws about talking while driving exist.
So now you can flip the bird and shout "suck a bag of d**ks" when behind the wheel, but can't do the same when online. Hmm.
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On the internet you have a written statement, maybe even as a part of a conversation and you can't deny what you wrote because others have witnessed your written statement.
"Behind the wheel" you are safe as long as noone can hear you, other than that, swearing (or to be more precise: insulting someone else) and/or "flipping the bird" are punishable by law, too, if there are witnesses (at least in Germany).
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People are saying a lot of mean things to each other in real life, and the laws don't give a heck, so why would they care on the internet? Of course there are some cases that need some intervention, but it doesn't apply on most of these "trollings".
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I have to agree with you. Let's take for example the rich kid who killed 5 people and gets away with it because he's rich.
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I think the lawyer was just riffing off the popular "gettos are shitty its society's fault I'm a terrible human, I only home invaded raped and burned those people because I was too poor to know better" defense that couldn't possibly work flipped around and accidentally pulled it off. (dude was probably trying to throw the case or going for a mistrial by incompetent lawyer to buy some time and a better jury pool, either way its funny)
(Its like being the guy working on an artificial estrogen popping out for a nooner with the assistant and returning to find you forgot to empty the flasks and its hardened into this indestructible plastic that immediately gets put into use lining every single can of food in the world with very little testing and given its recent controversy nobody at all bothering to make sure you didn't also succeed at making artificial hormones until long long after(and thats why there is a cause and effect relationship between lesbians and nalgene sports bottles)
but really its not so unusual the exact same thing happened when they discovered that nonstick coating(the one with the warning "do not use pan if you own small animals it releases gases when heated that will kill them, humans are big enough you should be fine if you keep it under 500 degrees") they were working on a bomb and discovered they couldn't get anything to stick the inside of the chamber afterwards when the team tried to sign it with a marker...or something along those lines)
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the headline is lies. she wasn't arrested for harassing herself, she was arrested for framing others for harassing her filing a false report and wasting their time investigating it only to find she made the accounts and posts from her home pc
but on the lighter side of the news a couple of days ago a commander at a secluded terrorist training camp north of Baghdad unwittingly used a belt packed with explosives while conducting a suicide bombing lesson early Monday(failing grades on stealth eh? well fuck you teacher lets see if you notice I switched out the dummy vest, better skip class tomorrow)
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So a few bills have been passed lately that will cause people lots of grief.
In the UK USA and Canada. . . Laws are being passed to mark the end of the "I can say what ever on the internet".
I am 50/50 on this. . Yes people do go way too far with internet trolling sometimes but sometimes poking people is just fun.
But no it doesn't matter too much for if you go past the line from poke to hate crime. . . It don't matter where you live. (The "I don't live in a country where these laws don't apply so I can say I want you dead" will not apply if the UN deems these new anti-bully campaigns worthy of enforcement).
That being said over the past two weeks around 45 people have been charged with trolling on fourms. . . 5 people sent to jail over harassment on twitter ( many more to come)
In Canada and UK laws have been passed so that as soon as you are on the internet the law can find your location if you commit a crime (don't think that's true look at the huge internet child pornography bust that just happened 600 people).
Anyhoo, just a heads up. It is now the time to take care of what you say to whom for, in Canada and the UK you are now liable for what you say online as much to face to face now. Some of us read the news some of us don't. . . In Canada this is up to hate crimes . . . in the UK with criminal intent. . in The US what ever the lawyers will back :P.
This bill is being passed in Canada today( the VPN thing has been up for a while) which is why I say.
People are asking for proof soo cause google is too hard j/k:
US has had different state laws and have been charging people for over a year.
UK cases:
odd 1
AN Unknown one
The big one
Uk has had these laws in for a while FYI
Turkey has laws
Canada:
For Canada:
Old, a week + but A quick look up of Peter
Look up Peter MacKay he's debating the bill right now.
Though not about law why Canada is involved in this debate: here
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