Do you think e-sports are really sports?
Don't care how many zomboids are watching other people play games on a competitive level, when already bots/AI/algorithms could outmatch the human player. See chess - best human players beaten before 2000 by an algorithm predicting the moves; the way more complicated Chinese Go also beat the best known human player with is AI ... ~ 2013.
To me e-sports (competitive games) much like chess/go or similar isn't a sport ... also disqualified are humans with prosthetics competing against humans with none. Same goes for trans people not competing in their original gender - which are known since recently ... "trans-women" swooping every record in women-sports competitions. Also borderline funny - women have their own chess league as they can't compete against men.
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There is no thing as "sport" nowadays.
OK- that's a bit overkill. Sport exist but only in local communities. You race with your friends? It's sport. You play chess/tennis/darts/quake/starcraft whatever with other amateurs - it's sport.
All professional sports are bullshit. Same show as wrestling (except they at least are not trying to look serious). I won't call it sport when chess master is going to toilet during match to check possible moves on his iPhone. I won't call it sport when soccer team is going to loose because they were paid for loosing. Same with sportsmen on drugs (winner is the one that is on hardest to detect or semi legal drug - like all those asthmatics), star-craft/dota/lol/cs-go players on aderall and so on..
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Ithat's also what i say. playing or watching soccer/football can be fun locally where the point is just to play. watching soccer/football on tv for these "big matches" and cups and whatnot is pointless and boring and is about business and not sport and the people talking about it all day are just annoying
"e-sport" games are all about some unbalanced virtual games where the wins are more about luck and mental conditioning than skill and the point of it is for players and watchers to show up to some fake communities/social media so they don't feel like lone shits and pretend they have some value for themselves and for the event makers, sponsors and all the like to spread propaganda and hit huge loads of money out of their stupidity
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nice :) someone who doesn't use google search to have an opinion/definition and tries to proof it with this search...
thumbsup
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Of course not. What does this even have to do with sports? You just play a video game, while sitting in your chair. To be honest though, I would gladly recognize chess as a sport though. But games like csgo, lol, hearthstone, etc.? No, never! :/
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I think e-sport is a fancy name for video games 🙃
... so, it's better than sport 👀
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I think they are since they have many traits in common. Sadly esports combine pretty much everything I dislike about regular teamsports (big money schemes, entitled players, team worshipping, toxic fans and being mostly male-centered) without any of the things I like (health benefits, finding and transgressing body limits, focus on progression instead of just high-level play). It doesn't help that none of the games that developed into esport interest me in the first place.
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I dont even understand esports. Thats the same if I go to a lan party and play games without winning money -.-
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except the skill ceiling is slightly bigger than your average LAN players would have
Do keep in mind that we are talking about professional players who may very well do this for a living, not just as a hobby. Its quite not the same as Random Joe going to a netcafe playing cs 1.6, since those kind of players would be literally asswhopped like theres no tomorrow on any bigger tournaments.
casual LAN players dont spend hours upon hours making strategies, training their aiming and such, pro players do.
Tl;DR just because someone can do basic jogging doesnt mean they could win a marathon
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I think yes, they are.
Most people claiming that esports are nothing more than a bunch of nerds in front of a screen dont seem to realise that theres a lot of work, dedication and skills behind those esport players, something that many cannot even dream of ever realising.
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a "joke" that seems to have a lot sponsorship money put behind it, nonethless
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Everything can be sponsored. Podcasts are sponsored. Are they sports?
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An activity which, when you do it on a regular basis, doesn't still require you to do some other "real" sport to stay fit. 👀
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Ow... book suggestion then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak 👀😇
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Because the new definition of "sports" is killing the old one. It used to be something physical, but now even things like chess are branded as "sports"... (so in that respect, I guess with the Newspeak definition of sports, "e-sport" would be sport indeed)
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Sport is messy.
Long time ago it was enough to have sneakers to run marathon, plastic skis to race down the hill or bike to ride. And this atmosphere is still often present in low-league matches, where it's more about fun and less about money.
Now it's more about technology, money and drugs that can't be detected right now (and will be in x years, when they will invent more precise tests and current champions will be stripped down from medals) than pure sport, as people started to reach their condition limits. We won't start to run as fast as cheetah, so they try to invent better shoes that wil be more energy efficient which in turn will make it easier for runner to win. Plus look for someone who will be able to run 0,5s faster than previous champion.
So IMO stuff like Olympic or World League has less and less in common with sport. It's more of technology gloat. Sure, trained athlete will always run faster than amateur in the same way as I will (most probably) run faster than someone heavily obesite. But give 1st athlete sneakers for $5 and 2nd super-advanted running boots and see who will win.
And e-sport is sport like any other. If we can consider chess, snooker, bowling, or target shooting, why not shooting in imaginary enemies? But there is more to it, as there may be a point where e-sport will move into VR with some kind of fancy full moving set of VR. So when they won't sit and play but stand and run in special harness will it be at least officialy admited to be normal sport? Just because they're running and sweating without moving?
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The difference between a "sport" and a "game" is clearly defined, it has to follow certain tennants, most are basic like involve a skill(eg driving a car, kicking a ball, typing keys on a keyboard real good). However what changes a game into a sport is a governing body, so for example Football has FIFA, darts has the PDC, Motorsport has FIA etc. It needs to have a set of rules as well, so if theres a set of cross platform, cross gaming universal rules(eg, no drug use, no use of cheaty mods etc), it qualifies.
Without knowing too much about e-sports, if it has a governing body, I'd say that it is a sport by definition yes as it probably covers the other criteria.
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I've never heard about antidoping exams for video game, poker or chess competitions
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Have you read my first comment? I do not know much if anything about esports, if it has a governing body, id guess that its a sport by definition.
Edit: again, cursory glance at google gets your answer. Currently there is a governing body, but its small and rules & regs are being written. So the answer is, no, e-sports is not a sport by definition but it is in the process of becoming a sport.
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You're too worried about bureaucracy to consider something as a sport and forgetting about the physical point
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Chess:
"Until recently, chess was a recognized sport of the International Olympic Committee;[2] some national sporting bodies such as the Spanish Consejo Superior de Deportes also recognize chess as a sport.[3] Chess was included in the 2006 and 2010 Asian Games"
You're so adamant on your point that you ignore that there are sports accepted as sports that does not require physical extertion. You're soo worried about bureaucracy definitions that you forget about reality :)
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Just because it is considered a sport by some kind of institution, it doesn't mean it should be called sport. As much as just because something is law, it doesn't mean it's fair.
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Just because you deny something it doesn't mean it's not like that. So far you denied definitions, implementations, logic and competition parts, and all your arguements are that you don't feel it correct and that ONE definition is what's true, and all the others are false and wrong. With that fanatical mindset don't even start a discussion, because all you did is kept trying to disapprove definitions saying that somebody just considers it true, yet you disapproved others but definitions that for whatever reason YOU consider true. Because your word outweights an industry. You are as rigid and blindsighted in your arguements as religious fanatics are with theirs, only picking the small part of reality that supports their claim and deny everything else.
You really should consider moving on and drop the black or white idea of the world.
Oh, and you said that you disapproved my logic (that was just a reply why your logic is faulty) - my opinion cna be found here and I still stand by it. At definitions there are no place for personal feelings, either follow definitions or don't. Or even more, consider stopping for a few min and think about why could two definition say different things and learn from it, because nothing can be learned if you're listening to an echo chamber where everything is saying back the same thing.
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I've already done it. Sometimes I like getting inside the point of view of someone that thinks differently from me. I've researched a little and found other reasons and could even make an opposite argument telling you why e-sports are, indeed, sports. That obviously doesn't mean I think like that.
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For further reading, heres the wiki page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_e-Sports_Federation
I'd advise you visit their webpage and read the cited sources rather than trust wiki itself. The governing body literally answers your questions for you.
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You are worried about bureaucracy, I'm not. I was just pointing some flawed arguments because they were only based on bureaucracy. All the complex rules won't change the fact you just move thumbs and a few fingers to play a video game. Unless someday we will have some real e-sports, using body as with Wii and Kinect
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No, I've given you what you wanted. You are wrong and changing your point.
Physical exertion does not come into play, its defined as "skill" I believe rather than physical exertion. That takes into account mental ability, not to mention literally everything you do in life takes physical exertion.
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My point is just exaggerating too general absurd arguments. That is called "strawman fallacies". It's not real argumentation, since it proves nothing. It's just trolling. I'd do it even if I agreed with you. I can't stand flawed arguments.
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So with all these ideas, does that mean that PC Building Competitions are technically a sport too?
In all seriousness though, sport should be renamed to "Event which has tons of revenue and lots of viewers for a specific thing that is enjoyable to watch and/or play"
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For me yes and no.
Esports have everything on the mental scale that makes sports sports - system, rules, patterns, knowledge, experience, reflexes, gamesense and concentration.
On the other hand it lacks the physical part which is also amiss in various other acceptedly sport-sports that have low-impact physical activity, like bowling, curling, darts, chess, pool.
I think it was just a bad choice of words to use sports in esports because sports traditionally still refer to the "chase the ball with a handful of other fools" type of activity, so it makes a weird connection in one's head. On the other hand, the simple word "sport" implies BILLIONS in revenue, so in the marketing standpoint Esport has the fresh, new, untapped market and the old market's profits in it's name, so it was logical that they started using it.
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I enjoy watching some esport but not real life sport. I do not associate the two though other than in name. As a semi counter to the no argument, what if VR takes off properly and the games are played via a headset and hand controllers. Physical exertion is then required for basic movement at least.
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