Turkish military helicopter landed in Greece and crew requested asylum. Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu demands return of seven military personnel and one civilian.
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People are asking to re-introduce the death penalty in order to punish the traitors, the government is considering it, but wouldn't that destroy any hopes for Turkey to enter the EU?
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Hmmm, I'm not sure about that. :P Still, Brexit hasn't happened yet. Maybe something will change, who knows?! And if UK leaves EU, then they will need someone else in their place to bring them money. ;P
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Apparently the whole Brexit thing was fake. 20 days had passed and article 50 has not been activated, meaning there was no plan and no real wish to leave by anyone, those who supported the "leave" campaign have already resigned and want no part in what follows.
But yes, the death penalty would finish off any chance of joining the EU Turkey had, it doesn't seem to be a problem for Erdogan though, he doesn't want to join in the first place.
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Apparently the whole Brexit thing was fake. 20 days had passed and article 50 has not been activated
Please don't jump to conclusons. This is something that just can't be done fast. I'm not sure how it looks in GB but in Poland many new laws can't exist without EU normative acts. Before EU - our laws were just laws. Now our regulations looks like: this and this is regulated by (WE)666/2016, this and this is regulated by (WE) 555/2009 and so on. And it's not a single regulation. Almost all of them that were implemented after joining to EU looks that way. Before quitting they have to prepare. Too much rush and country might fall in chaos.
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Nothing personal, but the Turkish leaderships to have a bad history... like cough the ~500 years of, erm nvm... They are different now... They just... you know what? NVM I'll keep my opinion for myself, getting tired of been called racist or blacklisted, because i see stuff differently than the avarage optimist...
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You tell me?! xD Enslavement of Greece, Constantinople, Cyprus, etc. xD Anyway, that's all in the past. A lot of countries used to be ruled by warmongers. The leaders start the wars, not the people. But anyway, we should be talking about the current situation. I get really disappointed when seeing that people can so easily kill others without guilt. That's not normal, kapy. :(
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cough cough ancient greece cough cough bulgaria cough cough period around 600-700s cough cough hihihihi sorry, couldnt resist ^^
But yeah, people shouldnt kill each other for no good reason. But if you think, about it, people shouldnt smoke or drive cars all the time, because this will cass a mass genocide to everyone alive on earth, but nobody cares... cough And there are few special cases where killing that one special person shouldnt make you feel guilt. sorry, but it's just like that ^^ I mean no point that guy comes rapes 50 kids and you later feel guilty cuz you shot him before he got your own child you know :p And one special someone is the reason for the last few bombing in a special country near greece and bulgaria and a recent special military event and that special someone is seriously playing the whole world for fools. Wont mention that special someones name, but I really someone ends him soon, before his special plants come into action and it's too late. And Im not even talking about ISIS atm ^^ Just a special men in a special country on a special post, with special rules to randomly forbbit social networks and later speak how democratical he is ^^
Nothing personal to anyone, just my opinion. Dont eat me for it ^^
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There's a video showing soldiers getting lynched by Erdogan supporters. Don't know if I can put it here, because it's extremely graphic.
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Yeah, that's the exact video. Plus some pictures of civilians attacking and hitting soldiers.
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There are a lot of children visiting this website and marking it as NSFW isn't really keeping anyone from looking at this footage. Dismembered, mutilated people is something you shouldn't post. Just saying.
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Okay then. I've deleted the links and saved the world.
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It's not about saving the world, but to spare some young kids from some traumatizing footage. Mental vulnerability differs, sure, but the younger someone is the more emotionally scarring this could be.
Just some basic psychology.
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Poor guy. He's just a soldier and people must know they just follow the orders. Hitting them is wrong even if they are responsible for shooting to crowd.
Just arresting them and delivering to security team is enough but sadly violence is the nature of coup / revolutions.
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I agree that they shouldn't be hitting him if they've already captured them and have some way to secure them, but I don't agree with the excuse that he's just a soldier and following orders. People should not follow orders when they know what's being ordered is wrong.
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Disobeying the orders in military is not something usually happen when :
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You are among the lowest ranks.
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It's the first moments of the show ( coup ).
I do not support violence against protesters but it's not really easy to understand which side of the show is wrong. It will take time to understand how's the situation and meanwhile you as a low rank soldier with a gun in your hand just will follow the orders come from your supervisor.
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State-wide purge of "undesirables" time.And if they return the death sentence for the occasion,expect the executions to reach DAESH-levels.
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This doesn't look like democracy to me. He is doing whatever he wants now.
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Good morning. Where have you been in the past… dunno, three years?
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It never was.But now,with the surrender of the army regiments that wanted to put a stop to this madness,its going to get worse.A LOT worse...
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So it was the judges that were behind this plot after all! Impressive that this was uncovered so quickly...
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This couldn't be more obvious.
Also read that some of the military fled to Greece seeking asylum and Turkey
already demanded them to be handed over (from some news site) ... insane.
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That's true. They were seeking asylum in Alexandroupoli.
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So, this is a question to our Turkish members of Steam Gifts: "How many of you believe the BS that Fetullah is responsible for the coup"?
Personally, I do not believe it at all. I just want to hear your perspective because it isn't being covered by the news in the rest of the world ... yet.
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I would trust hearing it from you much more than I would from any news outlet. So, whatever you think on the question, to me, is more believable than what is on the news currently.
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I'm not even from the same continent, so dunno, but it all smells fishy. It may be that this was indeed planned by Erdogan.
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Ok, so I think that is were the confusion came in. I was asking for feedback from the Turkish members of SG. Well, since you are in Spain - a different continent in your own words - I think that it wasn't necessary to comment then. So, sorry for the confusion.
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The Canary Islands, which are in Spain are geographically in Africa, even if they are part of Spain and Europe legally.
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I don't know what to believe at this point. Without proof truth is subjective, meaning none of the claims can be considered true or false. Therefore we could say that the claims the Turkish government is making right now concerning the incident of last night may very well be true. But we could also say that the whole thing looks and feels like a complete farce designed to manipulate the populace into thinking that there is a secret group within the army and higher echelons of the justice system and the culprit behind it all is some guy hiding in Pennsylvania. And they really want to get their hands on that guy who is protected adamantly by the US government.
Personally I don't support Erdoğan or his government because I do not agree with their politics or their radical views. I have always valued the truth more than my own feelings, but living in Turkey one has to come to terms with the fact that whatever the media tells you will be exactly what the government wants you to think. Therefore I'm really conflicted at the moment.
All I know is that if I had chosen a career within the military I could very well be on that bridge tonight if it was a real coup.
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sorry but, its pretty stupid to think that erdogan did this.. this is face loss because it came so far.
so again, fetullahs are terrorists, and please dont think the group soldiers did this while knowing what was happening.. some group of generals are corrupt and working for fetullah. so when this general says there are a lot terrorists on street, do not listen to people and we need to save turkey.. they need to follow the orders. this is like al armies. the generals who are corrupt dit this.
The western media doesnt tell everything with facts, dont believe everything. People wanna make Erdogan bad, while he made Turkey a better place. and hopefully will continue. and i watched everything live!
i will edit a youtube vid from a professor talking about this while ago!
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Right... let us all abide by your completely unbiased opinion.
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oh, the unhuman who hates muslims is back. you also could come with some arguments why its unbiased opinion. but hey its normal when you are just 10 i guess :)
@AmkOç
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Im so happy the coup didnt work out. Erdogan is so strong, so smart.. Turkey will continue with the big nation. Ottomans will be back. aw or are you scared? aw are you sad Erdogan is still powerfull? aww so sad for you. :D :')
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Ottomans will be back
Right... will they begin murdering innocent Armenians by the tens of thousands again?
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WTF does this have to do with armenians.... WHY are you provoking in ALL the damn threads about Turkey. JUST MOVE ON YOU TROLL.
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Goes hand in hand with the shitty charade of a "coup":
- soldiers surrendering that easily (as failure would likely result in death/worst possible punishment)
- that asshole telling his own people - civilians to go on the streets - wtf ...
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Well,now the soldiers are being beaten to death by erdodrones.
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Now they're saying that it's one of the coup plotters' fault that the Russian plane got shot down. So, magically, every problem has been solved. ;P
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How convenient. It's also an interesting piece of spin how they're blaming the coup on Fethullah. It's not like the army was fighting to uphold the constitution, no, they were just trying to put in power some cleric living in the US. Riiiiight...
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Turkish Prime Minister THREATEN:
Any country that stands by cleric Gulen will be at war with Turkey and Gulen been living in self-imposed exile in the United States for years http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-primeminister-gulen-idUSKCN0ZW0K5?il=0
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I don't understand the "Coup unsuccessful" in the title....It seems the real coup (after this kind of reichstag fire) is pretty successful for Mr. E.
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I guess some Turkish fellows already enlightened you all about what happened, but if anyone still have questions, I'd gladly answer.
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Well, I have a friend in military, he told me that they are certainly sure it's Fethullah Gulen
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Is it true that the low rank soldiers thought it was a practice mission because they were tricked by their superiors?
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http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Milliyet-Tv/video-izle/Yakalanan-askerlerin-ilk-ifadesi-lVsB6BxfKHu1.html
In this video the soldier is saying the same thing. Later apparently they noticed something was wrong and he left the tank with the other soldiers, then surrendered to the police.
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Yeah, when they learnt the truth, lots of them (even maybe all) turned themselves in.
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This is quite interesting too: Conspiracy theorists claim attempt was faked by Erdogan. Social media users claim Erdogan will use the attempted coup in the same way Hitler used the Reichstag Fire to suppress all opposition.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/turkey-coup-conspiracy-theory-erdogan-military-gift-from-god-soldiers-istanbul-a7140516.html
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I guess it will be hard to prove that he faked it....even there is today no proof that the reichstags fire was initated by hitler or the nsdap, but they were prepared. And right after that they launched the " Ermächtigungsgesetz"....and thats the point.....a couple of hours after last night Mr. E. allready has a huge list of judges that get disempowered, poeple that get arrested....and surprise the
reintroduction of the death penalty is also on the list.
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I know, he's smart. Nobody can tell him anything now.
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The Turkish people voted for that guy, not just once but three times in succession since 2004, so I suppose they're getting what they asked for.
Congratulations on your good judgement.
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people who voted for him are the same people who were decapitating 20-year old privates who had no idea what's going on last night, you fucking idiot.
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What!?
there were thousands people on street, fighting against the terrorist last night. What are you talking about IDIOT! we voted for him and are happy! this what happened is all fetullah aka terrorists shit. know your facts.
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Oh, that's right, now he's going to wage war against the US for sheltering that devilish Gulen.
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lan oglum, bari burada maval okumayin. siktir git lan. kafa utuleyecegine korna morna cal.
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demokrasi kazandi! gotunuze girsin amk. Turkiyeyi hic bolemezsiniz. ADAM olup oyunuzu vererek kazanmalisiniz. tmmi.
Dun gece Ataturkcusu, CHPlisi, MHPlisi, Kurdu, Alevesi, sunnisi, Arabi, AKPlisi herkes disariya cikti. HERKES cunku bu demokrasiye karsi bi haraket. Fetullah kendini peygamber yapmak istiyordu olmadi. olamazda zaten. Turk halkinin gucunu picler gormuslerdir umarim.
Hadi sende siktir git. bana yazmana gerek yok, ne mal oldugun anlasildi.
NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYENE!
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ulan ulkeyi kim boluyor? "oyunuzu vererek kazanmalisiniz" ne demek? yarismada miyiz? aptal dostun olacagina akilli dusmanin olsun derler. keske aptal dusmana yeg olan seyi de soyleselermis.
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oy vererek. demokrasi ne oldugunu bilmiyorsun sanirim? (buna erdogana karsi oldugun icin yazdim, secimde oy verir hangi partiyi tutuyorsan kazanmasini bekleyeceksin. boyle darbe gerisimleri oldu diye sevinerek degil)
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parti tutmak ne demek lan? nasil manyaklarsiniz oglum siz? futbol takimi mi bu? bir de aklinca demokrasi dersi veriyor allah'in, sey pardon, tayyip'in comari.
bu ulkedeki darbelerden kazancli cikanlar hep siyasal islamcilar oldu. niye darbe olsun isteyeyim? yeni bir magduriyet alani olussun diye mi, yoksa bir diktator gitsin de yenisi gelsin diye mi? ki ortada darbe falan da yok. belli ki tayyip'e biat etmis birileri bir iki yuksek rutbeli askeri gaza getirmis. kazanmalari mumkun olmayan bir yola sokmus. tebrikler gercekten. bir mevki ugruna tarihte bu kadar gozu donmus, bu kadar kan dokulmesine goz yummus biri daha yoktur herhalde. bakalim bu adam baskan olana kadar daha kac kisi canindan olacak.
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Çoluk çocuk ile kavga ediyorsunuz. Adam bildiğin takım tutuyor. Davutoğlu sakatlanıp sezonu kapadı, yerine Binali geldi.
Olan biteni anlayacak veya bu olayın Türkiye açısından ileride ne gibi sonuçlar doğuracağını kavrayamayacak bir zihin ile tartışmaya ne gerek var.
Yaw he he diyip geçeceksin.
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sigh
We live in 2016 and yet the same transparent propaganda types that were used 2400 years ago still have the same effect on the plebs. As if civilisation stopped when we talk about crowd control through filtered information.
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And what did you expected? People generally are dumb as rocks, especially if properly entertained by popular media and zombified using good looking propaganda. Most of them like to eat, drink and f*ck and care about nothing else in the world. Give them food and good show and you can steer the flock in any direction.
Seriously, do you believe we have gone THAT far from monkeys?
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It's not about that, but simple flow of information. In the distant past, people received news of their very tight surroundings and it was relatively easy to control the general large-scale news even in something as complex as Rome itself.
Now, when information is so easy to obtain and check, people still just believe the first thing they hear and can be conditioned to reject any kind of argument—even if it is based on hard facts that they can see and feel themselves—that doesn't fit into this picture.
And it's not just Turkey or Russia, or China, but most countries of the world.
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Confirmation bias. Should they want to believe in information that looks like total crap to them or information that looks like something they would like? As I said, most of them want happy living and no major shit coming their way. Even if that is not true, they still would like that.
By the way, many sources of information adds extra work to read all of them and compare. As one of memes said - "Ain't nobody got time for that!". There is reason why Fox news are so popular among republicans and why researchers are talking about Facebook "echo chambers".
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Well,look what we have here-an ottoman reject.
What "terrorist",you dumb mook?The troopers that wanted to save the country from vahabis scum like you and your master sultan Erdogan?
And oh yes,we see just how "happy" you degenerates are to kill those poor bastards.You made you DAESH comrades proud this day.Filthy animals,every single one of you.
I sincerely hope you get a one-way ticket to Allah's snackbar.
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Hahahahaha,
orospuevladi. :) erdogansiksinseni.gotunusikesikeananidasiksin :)
goodluck withsikis.
Haters gonna hate, erdogan en Turkey gonna be strong! Puhahaha
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Yup-a retarded ottoman reject.
Oh,yes."Strong" indeed.By commiting the army to a war against pretty much their own citizenry,against a neighbouring country because of lingering imperial ambitions,losing tons of troops to kurdish guns and eurasian bombs and making sure that the country's economy tanks.
Though,I'm sure brain-dead zealots don't care about such things.
Do mankind a favor and end your existence as early as you can,ok?
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So what you're saying is that the country is currently being run by barbarians. And then you wonder why Turkey is still being described as a third world country with that shit going on.
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Looks like many soldier got beated, hanged and beheaded from some exalted Erdogan islamic supporters by the usual calling allah akbar. This of course with the mutual consent of the military force and the government. In a civilized country these people would have been judged from a martial court, but Turkish, y know, it's all but a civilized country.
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What the F@CK is wrong with them? :O Shit, they are all gonna die by the mob.... or worse. :(
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This is what happens when the leader of a state and his supporters are western-backed islamist fucktards.
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Your pathetic term-throwing is sad and irrelevant,you wretched filth.Kindly remove yourself via a bullet to the brain.
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Count how many fucks I give about namecalling from some random ottoman goon thats way past his expiration date.
See any?No?Exactly.
Now shoo,trash.
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Judging from your sad repost of some kindergarden-level namecalling,I'm guessing you ran out of whatever the hell you had as a substitute for braincells.How sad.Not.I won't dignify your latter crying with a response.Thundercunts like you just aren't worth it.
Keep kissing that sultan's portrait with religious zeal,kid.Oh,and get blown away pls.
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Please stop with the insults.
Those of us outside of Turkey are just seeking information and clarification. This kind of behaviour is counterproductive and insulting to those of us who are seeking understanding.
I ask this as a brother in heart - mahabb asalaam
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i am insulting? WHAT? this Mistmd is telling in his every comment that Muslims are the problem and so on. its getting annoying AS FUCK. Trolls are everywhere. They hating because they are scared as fuck that a muslim country aka Turkey is getting big and powerful as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuccsedIoB0
They dont think about the Turks, why are they hating Erdogan? since when are the western people concern about the turks? WHY are they so thinkfull about us. no EU is getting down while Turkey is getting big. they cant stand this.
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EU is getting down while Turkey is getting big
Are there psychiatrists over there, or has the government put them all to sleep by now? I think you might benefit from some form of treatment, that sounds a lot like megalomania. If not for NATO, the sultan would be wearing a Russian Hermes missile as an anal ornament.
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You really should take a pill before commenting. i dont even take you seriously from your former racist and fascist comments. You are a real joke. A real troll.
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Are there psychiatrists over there, or has the government put them all to sleep by now?
Well,you are asking a pro-ottoman psychopath that resorts to outright lying (that "he blames muslims all the time" was utter LOL,as if I even once said the word) because "Regime threatened!Defense force engage!",so...
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Yes. It is one thing to respond and clarify in communication while discussing ideals. It is a completely different thing to attack someone because they have a different perspective.
These kind of reactions are not what I have come to know from 'the religion of peace and those that humbly submit their lives to God'. In fact, this kind of a reaction seems completely contrary to the true, peaceful nature of The faith.
Please refrain from comments that create more heat than enlightenment. This will do well to give honor to your beliefs and to not show disrespect to the values for which your religion stands for
A wise man holds his anger and waits to respond.
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''holds his anger and waits to respond.''
true, but everywhere they bashing Muslims and Turkey. They dont live there, but they think they know a lot better than the people who lives there. since when are the western people concern about the turks and muslims? since they see Turkey a muslim country is growing. this is the reality. but i am not even gonna respond to them anymore. i remember them talking how shit religion islam is and so on, thats why i were commenting to them like this. anyway, again, a lot people dont even know whats going on or why and talk shit to make Turkey shit in other peoples views. thats a trap. dont listen to people who dont know shit about it.
Please check the youtube video i posted. a professor is talking about this! its just 3 min video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuccsedIoB0 listen carefully and you will understand.
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I did watch the video. I do agree that Turkey has a proud and diverse people. Both historically and with recent financial and other achievements. These are good things. Maybe it is because there is - or at least has been - apparently a good balance of faith and Islam in Turkey that has made this possible. That is also a good thing. People as individuals are imperfect. This is normal. People as a community and part of a nation can accomplish much together. To do it more frequently is, well, historic.
All of these achievements are things to be recognized and respected.
It is not the achievements that I believe those with an outside perspective question. What I believe is the point of concern and criticism, is the methods in which this takes place. If one person is favored above another and another person is hurt (or killed), then that is the issue. As individuals, they must be responsible for their actions - even in the negative. All leaders must be willing to submit to their own followers (and legal systems) accountability. I have heard it said:"The greatest saint can be dishonored even by the smallest sin." If achievements are built upon by the pain and suffering of others, then there is no real glory in them.
I am deeply concerned over the coup of this last week and the long term effects. This is something very personal to me as I have two Turkish friends who were to be married this weekend. I pray for their safety and well being as well as the rest of the nation and those who died needlessly.
Unlike many outside Turkey, I have taken an interest to learn about the culture and it's people to gain understanding. I am finding great beauty and insight in Yusef Emre's poetry. For me, the saddest thing for the culture is the loss of it's language in the past 100 years. Many cultures around the world have lost their native tongue - yet many others have been fortunate to survive and have it put to record.
From my perspective, I do see a great people. But like many who are commenting on events or practices, I have great concern for the way in which they are happening and those who are being hurt in the process. I do not have answers for the problems. I can only pray and encourage peace and understanding. I hope that practices do not continue to hurt people as progress is made.
I remember this lesson from when I was a child: "The strongest man is one who admits he is wrong or hurt another. The weakest man is one who does not see his mistakes or listens to the complaints of those he has hurt. The best man is one who fixes his mistakes and changes his ways and makes amends and heals the wounds of those hurt." (even if they were not directly hurt by him but someone else). Again, I do not think it is the success, as the video talks about, that is the issue - but the injustices along the way of progress that are what is being criticized.
That is what I have to say in general. Specifically for you, I ask that peace guide your words and actions so that perhaps you can help be part of any solution. Again, I leave this conversation 'mahaab asalaam'.
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I ask this as a brother in heart - mahabb asalaam
Might as well have offered your throat for him to cut.Or go to the nearest DAESH base and preach about kindness and compassion.The result would be pretty much the same.
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The post I made after this one seems to have quieted things down.
Remember, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God."
If one follows a belief system that means 'peace'; then they themselves must be willing to be peacemakers themselves.
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Here act like a civilized country ? This is the true face of pro-Erdoğan supporters.
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That was probably the worst coup in the history of Turkey, unless it was just a show. Turkey does not have a place in EU, hope that European leaders are not stupid enough to let them join.
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You mean the same EU leaders that backed Erdogan and condemned the coup? They would be stupid enough to allow Turkey to join, especially after losing the UK. Not that Turkey is interested anymore, but that's beside the point.
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All EU leaders certainly hoped Erdogan to be removed and replaced by a more reasonable temporary military administration, but of course in no way they could publicly support a coup. Please, don't tell me you were expecting representatives of democratic countries to actually say "we approve of this coup, go on, we're counting on you!".
They waited as much as they could before condemning it (when it was finally clear it couldn't succeed).
As long as Turkey was interested in joining the EU there was hope on the EU side that it could be shaped in something resembling a democracy, that is no longer the case (with all the actions against journalists and free press, ban on social media, repressing of protests and other anti-democratic behaviours)
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Why not? That's exactly what the EU did with Syria. In fact, not only did they publicly support the rebels, but they also provided them with aid, and imposed sanctions on the country, all based on an unconfirmed premise no less. Why couldn't they do the same with Turkey? Could it be that the EU and Turkey are allies with a certain superpower, which worked to destabilize Syria together with them, and so the EU supporting the coup against Erdogan would've been a conflict of interest? I'll let you decide.
Also, EU leaders didn't wait for shit to condemn the coup. Here's an EU statement made less than 3 hours after the coup was confirmed and while it was still ongoing.
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Because Turkey is a member of NATO and supposedly a democracy. So it's not a matter of EU and Turkey being allies of some reptilian superpower, EU and Turkey are allies and that's it. Syria has never been a democracy, and people actively opposed the regime, which is not the case with Erdogan (everyone hates him abroad, and most of its educated and pro-western populace hates him as well, but he still has the support of the masses, rural areas and lower class).
Also, half an hour after that statement (supposedly they had better intelligence) coup had already failed, Erdogan was somewhere safe and communicating with the population and the rest of loyalist troups. The coup failed because Erdogan was still alive and free. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/world/live-blog-turkey/index.html#lf-content=168996307:lb-post-9a6b9a7afd0f23d28a47c9ff3656c0b8@livefyre.com
About an hour earlier, people in the streets were already opposing the coup. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/world/live-blog-turkey/index.html#lf-content=168996307:lb-post-4066dd0f4d136715425b34b773552852@livefyre.com
This coup was doomed from the beginning. They failed to imprison pretty much anyone detaining real power (exept a single high official). Airports, state TVs and bridges on Bosphorus aren't important as much as actual people ruling the country.
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"Because Turkey is a member of NATO and supposedly a democracy."
Is that how it works? If you're a NATO member you can trump over human rights without having to answer for it?
And I doubt that Turkey calling itself a democracy is relevant to NATO. Consider that Bashar al-Assad was also supposedly elected president, and Donetsk supposedly voted for independence. Unlike Turkey, however, Syria and Russia are not in the big boy club, so it's ok to vilify them. Whether right or wrong, it's hypocritical.
"So it's not a matter of EU and Turkey being allies of some reptilian superpower.."
No, but most EU nations and Turkey are members of NATO, along with the US and Canada, and I don't think I need to point out which one of those is the most influential in world events, do I?
"Syria has never been a democracy, and people actively opposed the regime, which is not the case with Erdogan"
There have been plenty of peaceful protests criticizing the government and Erdogan. Were they not actively opposing the regime since they weren't rioting?
I do agree you that the coup was doomed from the beginning. It started off well, but once the protesters came out, the military was ill equipped to disperse them, which is kind of mind blowing. Did they not see this coming? Did they not think to bring tear gas or something? I don't get it.
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We demand the terrorist Gülen! or at least give me a sizeable sum for him
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False flag all day long to increase his executive powers.. He is trying to restore the Otoman Empire and the Sharia law in the country...
Even though this is most likely an inside job, the population should have used this opportunity to overthrow the gouvernment,. But no, Turkey = Daeshistan had to stop the coup.. Noob isis supporters.
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Very good opinion, totally agree. The latest religious state was Ottoman Empire than Kemal Atatürk (founder of the Republic of Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk) transform the Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular state.
Now Erdogan want to return to a religious state and fight for that.
"Who does not know the past, will be condemned to repeat it" (Goethe)
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That was literally the death of democracy in Turkey, even though ironically the people who opposed the military forces were "defending" the democracy. Turkey will now move away from secularism and into an authoritarian muslim state under absolute control of Erdoğan. As a Turk who considers himself a modern, forward thinking and educated person I am really worried about my future in this country. Because pro-Erdoğan supporters are capable of murder, rape and pillage. This is because the majority of these people aren't Turks in the truest sense at all. Erdoğan didn't allow 3 million immigrants into this country out of the kindness of his heart. It was to bolster his supporters and his "soldiers". Now Turkey is filled with Arabs.
There will be purges in every institution of the country even if they are not associated with the latest events. Erdoğan will remove all opposition, place loyalists in the army and the judiciary. Eveything that happens in this country will be to his benefit from now on until the day he dies.
If you are planning to visit this hellhole as a tourist, don't. Go somewhere else. You'll be safer and happier, trust me.
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Totally agree, im glad to see a person from Turkey who thinking like this.
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Seems that the kemalist elements within the military were the last,best hope for Turkey.Now,with them being hunted down by Erdo's cronies,all bets are off.
The Ottoman Empire has officially returned.
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The problem isn't about how many Turks and how many Arabs are in Turkey. The problem is that there are so many people that would gladly get blood on their hands. This is what is troubling me. So, this isn't happening because of the large number of Arabs. This is happening because there's a large number of blindly devoted people that have no morals at all. The problem is that many people love to kill in the name of their country, in the name of their religion, even in the name of PEACE! And don't think that I'm only talking about muslims. We, the Christians, were and still are really violent too.
Remember what John Lennon once said? Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace. ;)
Imagine - John Lennon
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I don't know why you are preaching the words of Lennon to me. Words, after all, were not enough to save him from a mentally unstable person. Humans are violent by nature, that will never change. Nor will the borders ever go away, or religious intolerance and racial bias will ever disappear. You can't just close your eyes and expect the world to be a better place.
But I agree with your opinions in the first paragraph. The people who live in Turkey grow up amidst the bloody carnage of religious holidays. During Eid al-Adha they will slaughter cattle and sheep on the streets because of religious nonsense and in the wake of such slaughter cities, town and villages will usually be painted with blood in a metaphorical sense. So these people are not averse to blood. Yet they are also weak. Weak in mind and lacking moral compass, they follow the words of their great leader like cattle. Unfortunately for them, this man is also systematically destroying their future and the future of their children.
I mentioned the Arabs for a reason. There are certain elements within Turkey. Elements that integrate themselves within protesting crowds for the purpose of riling them up and creating scuffles between the protesters, the police and the army. These people are recruited from within the ranks of terrorist groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda because they specialize in social engineering and urban warfare. Ten years ago you would never hear anyone chanting "Allahu Akbar" outside of a mosque. Now they are chanting it on the streets.
Anyway, I highly recommend this article to understand what really happened and what it all means for the future of Turkey - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/opinion/turkeys-coup-that-wasnt.html
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- shit ton of arrests/discharges before this "coup"
- 2745 discharged/suspended judges + additional 140 warrants of arrest
- 6000 detentions (and the number will increase according to the Turkish "justice"-minister-puppet)
Dictatorship at its finest if that isn't full fledged Hitler 360° ... i don't know what is.
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They say that they are getting warrants for every one of those judges and a bunch of guys from the prosecutor's office now.More will obviously follow.And between the looming return of the death sentence and the bloodthirsty ottoman fanatics,I expect rivers of blood to flow.
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I knew it from the beginning that, no matter which side wins, democracy isn't included in any side's plans.
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If the kemalists won,they would have probably put every islamist,ottoman remnant and psychopath against the wall (like their egyptian counterparts-the nasserites.).With the crazy side of the conflict in ditches with holes between the eyes,there would have been at the very least some peace and freaking quiet.
Now,though...
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"All hail Recep Tayyip Erdogan,first of his name,sultan of the arabs and all turks,ruler of the Ottoman Empire!
Long may he reign!!!"-coronation of sultan Erdogan,20XX.
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This is interesting. It's talking about the fake photos used for propaganda in Turkey. It's in Greek, but you'll understand what it means by seeing the dates: http://info-war.gr/%CF%88%CE%B5%CF%8D%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B5%CF%82-%CF%86%CF%89%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AF%CE%B5%CF%82-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%80%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%B4%CE%B1/
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There are videos about it. It's not fake. This is some cheap photoshop. Also there are people saying that should be punished with death penalty even in my facebook feed. So It's not hard to believe some of them actually did it.
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The first means that the soldier is probably not dead.
The second shows that the photo is actually from Gaza on 2014.
The third is being said that it's probably from 2006.
The fourth is about some funny tweets from a fake profile that some may have believed. :P
About the fifth, the first photo is being said that it's from Egypt, the second from Morocco on 2015, the third Egypt on 2011, and the fourth from Korea on 2015.
I only posted this link to show both sides of the coin, although I can't know if the photos are legit or fake.
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Sorry, after your reply I looked all, I was talking about only for first(probably this is third one from 2006). I don't know all of them and they might be fake or not. Also there is even one photo people claim to rescue one soldier posted as they are beating him. So I don't trust pictures much. But I don't understand where this rage comes from. In one video a person begging to let them hit a corpse of the soldier. People think now they defended country from a coup with torturing soldiers in mosques. Some of the captives said superiors called them for practice. And they tortured and killed this people with their own hands. I know media always isn't reliable but seeing what the actual people write made me really scared about this country's future.
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i don't get the point of "x country y year not turkey" photos. it's very obvious they're not from turkey. especially the egypt one, but either way what difference does it make?
i saw denald donald trump's tweet before. funny guy. #MakeTrollingGreatAgain. but... what the hell does that tweet have to do with anything?
and of course, the beheading. let's say it was a lie. does it justify anything? the guy in this NSFW video is yelling "we killed four of them. it's fifth one's turn. [...] let me kick him once for allah's sake." can you spot the 7 differences between isis and these guys? i know i can't.
edit: i just googled that news article about military vehicle crash. i can't see that photo on there. is there something wrong with my browser?
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The first means that that soldier is probably not dead.
The second shows that the photo is actually from Gaza on 2014.
The third is being said that it's probably from 2006.
The fourth is about some funny tweets from a fake profile that some may have believed. :P
About the fifth, the first photo is being said that it's from Egypt, the second from Morocco on 2015, the third Egypt on 2011, and the fourth from Korea on 2015.
I only posted this link to show both sides of the coin, although I can't know if the photos are legit or fake.
About the article considering the crash, the Greek article also says that the photo was recently removed.
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1) duh. it's a random photo of a random soldier, not even a beheaded body. anyone can put anyone's photo on facebook or whatever, and claim he is dead.
2) i never saw this one and there is nothing turkish or english written on it, so i frankly don't give a damn.
3) so the photo that would debunk a very serious claim is recently removed. how convenient. (although i should add that apparently an official announced there haven't been a beheaded body discovered.)
4) read his retweets. even funnier than denald donald himself.
5) like i said, what difference does it make? oh, of course. there were turkish tanks on the streets instead of egyptian tanks. good to know.
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Based on the info we currently have,this thing is obviously a legit coup that started as an "Egypt" but ended up becoming a "Stauffenberg" mixed with "SCSE 1991".
1)Troops landed in Marmaris to kill (or arrest) Erdo,but failed because he bolted a few minutes before they arrived.Later 2 fighters had the chance to blew his plane out of the skies but didn't take the chance.It also looks like someone was supposed to bomb him at the airport,(hence the explosion everyone heard) but even that didn't work.
2)The generals that were supposedly "held hostage" are presumably the true masterminds of the coup.The plan was fairly straightforward-take out Erdogan,his supporters,take control of the capital and Constantinople.Nothing too complicated for the army,really.
3)However,things apparently went to shit since they couldn't kill Erdo.It looks like the top dogs got cold feet after that and turned themselves into "hostages",while pretty much leaving their troops to fend for themselves,which led to the utter collapse of the whole coup.Idiots.
4)Obviously,because of their cowardice,the current Great Fucking Purge happened.Most of the military high command is now in chains along with thousands of their troops.What should have been the Liberation of Turkey from neo-ottoman grip ended in an utterly shameful defeat due to treason and stupidity.
So yeah,the military got rekt,Erdo's supporters won and shit is going to get a lot worse now that the last check of Erdogan's power has been put down.
P.S.:Also,Greece apparently gave the poor bastards that escaped their way back to the ottomans.They might have just as well blew their brains out and spared them the "pleasure" of having a very physical "chat" with imperial intelligence.
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I still believe that this coup was created by Erdogan and the low rank soldiers had no idea what was going on. That's just my opinion though. Now he accuses anyone he wants and puts them into jail. Plus, if he'll bring back the death penalty, he'll just kill anyone he wants. Dark times are coming.
Now, about Greece, which is my country, well, they shit bricks about anything, so they wouldn't even consider to keep the so called traitors. Our politicians are all corrupt and cowards.
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It reeks of a setup. What better way to ensure complete control than to have a failed coup which so happens to fail at every single task they set out to do. The end result being murder squads going after everyone not even participating in the coup, is also suspect.
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Exactly, this reeks fishy from miles away, the more information we get the more clear it is it was all staged by Erdogan to settle himself even more in power.
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Of course they had no idea,as the military hadn't even been fully mobilized and the necessary orders were left unsent.At least 1 full army (2nd) and a sick amount of brigades and regiments were supposed to get the "now or never" orders and go in,guns blazing.
Also,the whole "we thought that this was a military exercise" excuse can also be a last ditch effort by the coup commanders to try and save as many troops as they can in case of a fail.
Whether or not it was legit (I'm pretty sure it was,though I'm not ruling out the possibility that the top officers "cowardice" was actually outright treason of their own men on Erdo's orders),the scale of this catastrophy is insane.The military is effectively out of the game and the massive cleansing of dissent and anti-ottoman elements has begun.
My condolences about your gov's outright betrayal.Pretty much everyone hoped that Tsipras would evacuate the country the hell out of the Fourth Reich,but apparently him and Merkel got scared shitless by the EU's personal "battle pshek" Donald Tusk.
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It was fucking fake.. They would have shot down Erdogan's plain and executed every single politican.. Why would you bomb the parliament and miss ( yea right ), when you can storm it and kill every single politician? That's how a coup looks like.. Why to fly behind Erdogan's plain and not shoot it down if it was for real? They didn't even try, it failed before it even started, that's how fake it was.
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That's the real face of Turkey. :O Hehe, I can't participate, but thank ya. ;P
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Oh, I didn't know that. Still I would have no use for this software and I don't even have a camera. xD I'm pretty sure you'll find plenty of people wanting it. ;)
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I wont use it but I can give a bump and hope people will notice
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It's all over the news and they're saying that something like a coup is happening and that the turkish army is responsible. Just wondering if someone from Turkey could enlighten me about this matter. o.O
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