FAQ: Don't call out users on the forum, Sorry just erase their profile links, and their giveaway links(change them to) screenshots with their name blocked out instead :P
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I agree that this post should be able to call out, but im just trying to help him not get banned :|
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You can't break rules just because you think you're doing something good.
What if those regifters has given the games to their poor friend or someone who asked them for it? Should they be condemned because they did what they thought was good?
My point is, you can't break rules. No exceptions.
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Go back and read what you wrote lol :P (to follow)
You can't break rules just because you think you're doing something good. (Dont break the rules)
What if those regifters has given the games to their poor friend or someone who asked them for it? Should they be condemned because they did what they thought was good? (Giving to a friend is ok)
My point is, you can't break rules. No exceptions. (But dont break the rules)
See the confusion? You argued both sides haha
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What if those regifters has given the games to their poor friend or someone who asked them for it? Should they be condemned because they did what they thought was good?
This is my question too.
He is breaking a rule cause he can't tolerate many people breaking it and mods doing nothing about it.
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Honestly i think there should be an exception for this case... We know it's against the rules to call out users, but this website is completly rigged with cheaters that it's just sad, when i joined this community months ago, it was damn nice back then... opening this to everyone and their mother was probably the biggest mistake CG ever did.
Whenever i get back to gifting games i'm going to put really heavy rules in a group i'll make, already got a few plans for future groups that will accept honest people and trustworthy contributors. This is the way i like to see the website, safe and clean.
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DONT GET ME wrong though, i know that we certainly need a list like this... i mean we all know the mods here arent really that concerned or interested in punishing cheaters, but all im saying is that you guys really need to be careful with this list of yours.... which i think we definately need, because ultimately its going to only be down to just the users to keep this place honest and strong...
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It's unlikely you have regifted it, since it's showing in your games list.
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Ideally we could look at your list of games to see if you actually activated the game. However, as your profile is private, we can only speculate...
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Na mate, not saying you have re-gifted it; if you had you probably wouldent say so on the forums heh, just that most people have a public profile, and from that we can see if they activated the game or not. Besides you won the game from Cross, and he is srs about his giveaways :3.
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Many of these are not yet banned.
Needs someone with the power, and the time, to work through these and eliminate them from Steamgifts. :(
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which this place doesnt have. seriously, the mods here dont seem to care about fakers, regifters or exploiters anymore, doesnt matter if you use support or giveaway report or user report. the WORST that happens, is that the giveaway gets deleted. how is that any kind of deterrent? is it any wonder people continue to do this stuff if the worst that happens is a deleted giveaway?
honestly, ive stopped caring that people exploit the site. i dont even bother reporting anymore because i know theres no point.
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...but i HAVE reported in the past and no action was taken, so how do you figure its not a problem with support but a problem with me? Ive reported a regifter and a fake (not accidental) giveaway creator, and zero action was taken... is it any wonder i longer think its worth reporting and have ZERO faith in the mods? i honestly believe 100% that they just dont care any more.
and as a result.. neither do i now.
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As far as I know only CG can ban and he's understandably and likely very busy. The other mods can deal with tickets but Jade is still waiting for banning powers. When that happens, find a hole to crawl in and then emerge later after the hammer has been swung and decimated the SG landscape of cheaters, regifters, exploiters, and traders.
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For fuck's sake, SHIV, understand what you are talking about before you run your mouth. It's very simple to search for "Support" on the forum search bar.
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Most, if not all on the list will have been reported already. The list only exists because there is a backlog, and cheats are still getting games.
The problem with support, if indeed there could be said to be one, is that they don't have an unlimited amount of time to deal with the legion of tossers who, often deliberately, flout the rules. Neither should they be expected to spend hours and hours on this site, dealing with idiots, when they have lives to lead outside of Steamgifts.
The problem is gradually getting dealt with, but until then, IMHO the list seems as good a way as any of restoring a degree of order to the site.
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Well, who the fuck else did you think I was talking about?
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Mmmm I don't know.. Who decides who gets on this list- and what the requirements are? Ok, obvious regifters etc, sure, but a bunch will be false positives.. Needs individual attention on a case-by-case basis anyway.
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Which is why I used words like "work through" rather than, say, "ban indiscriminately".
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Sure, list imperfect because we don't have list of reported on SG and just collecting what we can find. If person want to be removed from it, he can talk with any member of HoJ and describe the situation. There are lot of user who made one mistake occasionally, but also others here, who sells/trade all that they won.
As for rules, I understand it, but I can't see other option. I tried to contact cg and asked about possible cooperation with HoJ, but my message still unanswered (wrote 1 week ago).
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Feel free to report them, its what I've been doing.
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Some would say Exsol is calling out lusers abusing the system for their own gain.
Others would say he's using verifiable links to warn legitimate users for the betterment of the community.
This is a matter of semantics. And in a matter of semantics, choosing the morally right intent is typically the way to go.
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I propose the formation of a committee to further define the act of "calling out!"
Is "calling out" providing information in even the slightest form to indicate to others that a person may be a violator of the rules?
Is "calling out" only "calling out" when information provided is "overtly" available?
What about in cases where information is "covert?" (in that it is not immediately available, you must follow the path of righteousness).
Is it calling out if no information is provided, but only a mere hunch? (Most certainly we can agree that this is unacceptable).
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Its serious offence, but he is breaking one rule so many could be stopped from breaking others.
Do you think everything good in this world is governed by rules? In that's case the court should be ALWAYS right. But are they?...of course not!
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Unfortunately, this is how the world works. They take a bunch of evidence and form a proof out of it. I wish(and I already do) I could agree with your statement. Evidence is never a proof.
Anyway, there is not point of arguing any further.
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No sweat, buddy. Glad we got that settled. It can be difficult to articulate a sense of humor through this kind of communication.
While I don't whole-heartedly agree with the "never call out ever ever ever" argument (that is not to say I don't agree with it at all) I do want to see a change to this site to make it better.
I have made a small effort to bring to attention an idea I had to better this site (search "competency test" in the forum as I don't remember how to link. I still stand by my idea there and wish the mods would consider/implement it.
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I'm happy someone understands the definition of semantics.
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I applaud you and yours attempts and desire to make this site a better place.
However, I worry that fanaticism may slither its ugly head into your operation which could lead to a sort of "false positive" situation. Sometimes it is cut-n-dry; sometimes it isn't. I only hope that honest people don't "accidentally" find themselves on the list.
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Because right now we have no ban capabilities. We will soon though.
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Hey, guys. With the feature"Request a New Winner" it's pretty simple now to re-roll your giveaway if you have reason. And I give one to you.
Group Hammer of Justice keep collecting all cheaters, abusers, re-gifters, traders, etc. in our List of Cheaters. Please, check it before sending your gift, just search for username and if he/she listed, don't give a game (now you have reason) and request re-roll.
So, as I wrote in title - don't feed cheaters and they'll starve to death (or just leave this place).
Here is List of Cheaters
P.S. if someone can make this thread "sticky" it will be awesome
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