Don't let people bother you. Everyone will have something they are judged for, regardless of what you try to do. There are just people in life like that.
If someone bothered you, blacklist them and move on :)
Don't worry
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Already did, but I feel like I should just continue to giveaway and partecipate in giveaways in silence and don't comment or make trades so probably this will be my last trade
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TBH you were kind of a wiener to the other guy first. :X
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I only said that "it seems like" that he's doing it for that reason, why should someone ask for games that give a lot of CV?
Didn't want to insult him or something, then he discussed with other people and ignored my replies :c
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If you can't see what you did that merited the replies you received, then there's really no helping you.
People in glass houses, etc, etc, etc.
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I just stated a fact?
If someone makes a post asking for a way to murder someone, wouldn't you think "it seems like you want to murder someone"?
He could have replied "nah, I just want to give the most expensive game ever" or "i'm just looking for a nice game", but instead he talked about my win ratio and ignored my replies.
So why should I be in a glass house?
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You replied like a wiener, you got treated like one. Seems fair.
EDIT: not going to type it all out. Mullins already did and linked the comment.
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I know i'm a wiener, but I got ignored and stuff and that's the worst thing.
At least talk with me like you do, don't talk to someone else about me.
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I try to, but I always fuck up in some way, don't know when to shut up
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You made an unnecessary, but not necessarily wrong declaration.
When OP replied with a 'Yeah, that's right, but don't we all just want games?' reference to your own ratio, you replied with attacks [apparently assuming the OP was attacking you first, when they were not].
As far as his replying to the single, actual fully-in-the-wrong person in the conversation, that had nothing to do with you, they were just trying to clarify their viewpoint to someone who was being incredibly aggravating toward them. Based off your behavior thus far, you'd do the exact same thing.
tl;dr version: The OP tried to defuse, you kept adding oil. Ergo, you're in the wrong. Not as much as the third main participant in the convo, but definitely enough that making this thread, well, I can appreciate the less-than-supportive replies you're getting for it.
Still, it's only a problem if you don't learn from it, and learn to take a breath and first assume the best [rather than the worst] in the future. :)
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Actually it didn't go like you did, you can check the hours I made the replies of
The first comment it's that one, then he told me about my win ratio and I replied with
"I am going to giveaway 5 games soon, I already which ones, but I need some time :v
Then it will be a beautiful 1:1"
Doesn't seem like a bad comment, I took it lightly. He didn't reply to it, started discussing with another user, assumed that I made giveaways only for friends
I bought some proof to both of his comments to make my reply show up
""GIveaways for his friends"
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/7CtZU/first-train
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/xkLNd/sigh-already-another-scam
They were for people who read my trades, like everyone does"
No attacking here either
After one hour, he still discussed with someone else and ignored me, here came the salt
"The real problem here that I made a comment that was "To me it seems like" and he felt attacked, so I probably think I was correct. He didn't answer about my reply i made telling that I'm going soon to give 5 other games away, and he discusses with someone else.
The only thing I have to say it that it seems I was correct.
Peace"
This yesterday, then I made a trade today
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Pushing aside everything else- including what seems an obsessive need for attention on your part- I'm not concerned with the timing or anything.
The key part is the tone and interpretation, and all I'm seeing is them replying reasonably well, and you jumping in randomly to try and instigate conflict. Your interpretation of what they were saying was far more negative than my own, and your reactions were, even assuming your interpretation of the OP's intent as being right, seemingly the only aggressive and insulting comments made between the two of you.
Perhaps I'm missing some edits, or missed a few comments, but from what I see, it's just you trying to incite attention from him, and being upset when he doesn't give it.
I don't see him making any comments that are near as inciting as your own, nevermind the fact that you appear to have needlessly spammed him with replies [assuming I'm following the reply pathing correctly], which is extremely distasteful.
It's fine to acknowledge that misinterpretations may have been had- that's human- but as soon as you adopt a 'I'm right, and this person is wrong, and they're awful, and I'm great', not only does it fairly ensure you'll eventually be in the wrong, it doesn't endear others to your perspective, either.
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Like I said, I don't like it when I get ignored so you're right in that part.
But I didn't try to instigate anything, just stated facts in my replies (except the last one I made)
Also, what's all this stuff about me saying that I am great and he bad? I called him generous too, I confirmed some comments above that I'm a wiener.
I fucking suck at everything and I'm stupid, I don't deserve anything, but I'm not arrogant or anything else.
Where was I being aggressive to begin with?
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Perhaps I'm confusing parts of your outlook, but then the whole of it makes even less sense to me, I'm afraid. :/
At the very least, you should consider how different my perspective on your comment is to your own, and acknowledge the same could be true for your perspective on the OP's comments versus that of others.
And as I tried to say at the start, I didn't consider either of you to be particularly 'in the wrong', so your excessive self-insulting is unnecessary. I only have a bad opinion of one person in that conversation, and it's neither of you. :P
My aim in my responses was trying to clarify why so many opinions on the matter differed from your own, my intent was never to attack you or put you down.
I apologize if I misinterpreted or misconstrued parts of your perspective, or seemed more accusative than I intended. I think your writing style may be a bit hard for me to get the right impressions off of, as well.
Though in the future, maybe try not to make so many replies to someone. Tone aside, not only is spamming replies a quick way to get ignored, it's a quick way for everyone to consider you in the wrong.
If you're having trouble with patience, take a break from the computer for a sec. Just grab a fruit, a drink, and step outside to eat and drink them. Once you go back inside, you'll likely be able to let the matter sit. If not, maybe take a nap- everything is less important after you sleep on it.
Just, the structure of your responses as they were there, is pretty overwhelming, and you have to appreciate that some people just won't respond to that well, regardless of things like being 'right' or 'wrong'.
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i think you kinda asked for that reply, given that you assumed things about him.
if you want people to be nice to you, do the same...
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Like I already said, I said that "it seems like", didn't assume anything :v
In that case I would have said "You just want to get a better level and win expensive stuff!"
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it seems like you are here just to leech
you would also get upset with that.
and just to be clear, i don't care about your ratio. it's very close to 1:1.
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Nah I would just have said "nah I'm here to give away games, do puns, occasionally win, let some salt flow" and create a thread with a giveaway (like I did now)
He assumed that I made giveaways for friends, when I didn't, only made some trades everyone could read and partecipate in the giveaways, and he ignored that. And every comment I made.
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It's not always about you...
First off, we often reply to a single person to address a single argument, here on SG. It cuts down spam and unnecessary effort.
Second, ignoring things is usually a sign of maturity, whereas continuing petty arguments through new threads is generally not. :P
Third, in the context of SG, unless you're involved in a giveaway or trade, noone is obligated to give you a reply- though sometimes they're obligated NOT to, where harassment is concerned.
Again, you're trying to paint the OP as negative, and I don't see them having done a single thing wrong- or even, a single thing most of us wouldn't have done.
And no, there's nothing wrong with your ratio, but again, you seem to have made a notable misinterpretation in that regard from the start.
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I am not trying to paint OP as negative, you can see in the comments I made in this thread that I called him generous too.
I didn't even call him out, Mullins did, linking the thread.
Stop making assumptions, I get it, I shouldnt' have made one ;_;
Also in this case, ignoring wasn't a kind of maturity, he just didn't bother answering my replies
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It's only calling out if it's negative. Mullins was linking to you, not that OP, which is permissible, since you called yourself out.
We'll have to disagree on that last sentence, given the hollow, inciting nature of your replies. :P
Still doesn't justify your deep need for a response from them, or the fact that you made so many replies in the first place rather than seeing if you'd get a reply.
Honestly, after a point he probably intentionally ignored you just because you seemed to be picking a fight and intentionally spamming to get one, which is quite appreciable.
There's a reasonable chance I'd have done the same. :P
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I didn't want a reply, but i'm bothered that he replied to someone else discussing about me, rather than talking with me, you feel me?
Maybe I wasn't so great but eurgh just wanted to make a random giveaway with a story in it
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Ah, your problem then is association.
See, the person you should be upset with there is the third person, for stealing the OP's attention away. You can hardly fault the OP for turning to answer another person- even if the structure of online makes it so you CAN hold multiple conversations at once, you shouldn't necessarily expect that people HAVE to.
Your first consideration should always be the structure of face-to-face conversations, and in that case, you [presumably] wouldn't fault someone for turning for a second to respond to someone else, and then getting caught up in that conversation.
And much like that, if you started hopping around them as they talked and shouting what essentially boils down to "ME. Pay attention to ME!" many people will just look at you funny and start ignoring you on purpose, even if you're not being too offensive about it.
And no, I don't feel you, that perspective makes no sense to me. I could appreciate your difference in sentiment there if it WASN'T for the needy responses you'd made. As soon as you give up respectability, it's hard to justify your initial perspective.
Recognize also that I don't have any expectation that people will ever respond to me, while you seem to think it's a requirement. That's going to lead to a pretty firm difference in outlook :P
As far as the 'but discussing you', I interpreted that solely as the OP trying to defend himself against the [far more outright than your own] aggressions of the third party.
In other words, they likely responded because the other person was more of a dick than you, and they felt compelled to defend themselves.
It really likely had nothing to do with you at all, and any mentions toward you likely were just for the sake of making their arguments.
It's unfortunate, diverting attention from your 'storied giveaway', that's never fun, but your salt-emphasizing rather than giveaway-emphasizing phrasing gives the impression of a different intent to the thread.
Perhaps you should consider rephrasing the OP to emphasize the GA more?
Or even, close this thread, and make a new thread just focusing on positive things [like the GA]?
Either way, sorry for any negativity I may have endeared, I know my phrasing can come across more firm than I intend.
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Sent-won ratio is good at first glance, but looking deeper into it - it's not. You can have 3-1 ratio by sending 3 bundle games, or even 3 0.10$ games while winning GTA 5. Not to mention that 0.9 ratio with 10 win equals 9 sent (1 difference) with 100 win 90 sent (10 difference) - ratio is really easy to manipulate at low levels, so it's not a trustworthy info, especially when considering the prices. Don1t bother with it, don't check on others and don't mind other commenting on yours. Give what you can / want, the site is supposed to be about that. And regarding the cheapest bundle topic others are mentioning: cheapest or not, someone wants to buy stuff to give - maybe it's not the biggest or best games, but still giving, it counts. As long as an option is free to access for people, using it won't make it low, or despicable :)
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Usually when I win DLC, I giveaway other dlcs
When I win bundled games, I giveaway other bundle games
Seems only fair
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Absolutely, but that needs a check in given/won games, while sent-won ratio is just there, tempting to get used, even it's maybe the most incorrect stat on the site... People just tend to use the simplest, because that means less work.
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I'm a victim of the SGtools parameters. I used to only giveaway nonbundled games and my games given $$ value is much higher than my games won $$ value. However, as I was winning a lot of bundled games, that unbalanced my won/sent ratio so much I couldn't enter a lot of private contests with the SGTools link gate. So, I started buying game bundles to try to correct this. Which is a shame: Sure, I gave more games away quantity-wise, but less desirable ones.
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and that's why the real cv filter is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the stupid ratio. i don't know why people keep using it...
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Yeah, the SGTools developer(s) should just remove the won/sent ratio parameter if they care about quality over quantity.
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Who cares what others think? This is a voluntary site where you can send gifts if you want to.
Unless you're planning to join some of those 'lame' groups which require a certain limit etc I think the best option is to blacklist n00bs who annoy you and move on.
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Will do, I will give other giveaways too, only stop being forum active
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I've already got this particular game, but if you would like to add me to your Whitelist for those future giveaways you mentioned, it would be appreciated.:)
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It's not the arrogant part that it's to blame, it's more like ignoring me and stuff.
At least he's a rich-ass jerk that giveaways game instead of buying all for himself, yeah?
Arrogant, but still generous
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You shouldn't, and I see you got attacked too by commenting only saying that the win ratio wasn't so important.
"Blademaster has a bad ratio too, of course he is saying the win ratio isn't important and I make only public giveaways and I'm the best"
Meh
At least he replied to you
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tbh usually poor means attitude because every "poor" people - when I check steam profiles - has hundreds of games, many AAA's and a bundled game worth 7-10 cents :)
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"Generosity is not giving me that which I need more than you do, but it is giving me that which you need more than I do." - Khalil Gibran
The failing in your logic is thinking that everyone who gives away more than you HAS more than you to give away. Most of the prominent gifters I know from this site give away far more than they probably should - for whatever reasons. Unless you know for certain that everyone who gives away a lot is "rich" or "arrogant", I wouldn't go making broad-sweeping generalizations about it based on experience with a few individuals. ;)
This is also directed at Narga's comment above, but since I am too lazy to copy-paste it, I'll just have to hope he reads it as well.
Another excellent quote - "Assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups."
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Wow, you just completely missed the entire point of my comment, didn't you? There are people with much less than you on this site that give away quite a lot.
/facepalm
Now, please allow me to reiterate it for you -- don't generalize everyone who gives away a lot as "rich and arrogant", because they're not. It just makes you come off looking like an ingrate and an ass when you make a broad-sweeping assumption like that.
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You did sort of generalize people who give away a lot as being "rich and arrogant", or I wouldn't have bothered posting. That's the point where I felt compelled to reply.
What I'm trying to say is that it's wrong to blacklist somebody without knowing that person fully,
I disagree. "Wrong" is a relative term, What you or I might find innocuous or harmless, someone else may find offensive. People are free to blacklist for whatever reasons they prefer, and I fully support that decision, regardless of their reason. No one here is "entitled" to win anything. It's a privilege, not a right (at least in my opinion, and that's how I treat every single win).
It is not like that every person who give away a lot are arrogant, however they are rich
That's an assumption, and in my experience, a very incorrect one. That was my point. I can name a couple dozen just off the top of my head who have given a lot on this site and are most definitely not rich. Some struggle to pay bills, put food on the table, etc, and still manage to give away lot because they want to and enjoy doing so. To demean them by calling them "rich" and assuming they are made of money is just ... well, it's just wrong.
and rich person is most likely to turn into arrogant/ignorant sooner or later, of course it depends on person, but it is most likely so.
Another assumption. Did you know that one of the biggest contributors on this site is the site owner himself? And he never even posts in the forums, pays for all of this himself, and does most of the site work himself? Is he arrogant? And I know another member who has given in excess of 10000 dollars in games away, and has never entered a giveaway himself, and yet is one of the most humble people I have yet to talk to in my lifetime ...
You might want to re-think your stance on the majority of people who give away games on this site ... you're making a lot of big assumptions about people you don't know, and right after saying people shouldn't judge without knowing the full story.
Just something to think about. ;)
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I don't see anymore point discussing this, it's just a waste of time so I'm not going to reply anymore,
That in itself is pretty rude, especially after such a lengthy post. So ... I'll respond in kind and dismiss your reply as a proper waste of my time and bid you good day as well. :)
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I've actually gotten quite lucky recently with regards to games won. It's gotten so that I've given away 10 games and won 8! I certainly didn't expect to have won that many already. It probably helped that a couple of the giveaways were by Invite so I had a lot less "competition". I do want to give away more games, but I have to wait until I build up my bank account some more (laid off for 5 months, and just went back to work 2 weeks ago).
To be honest, I've never had any problems with anyone here (knocks on wood), and all of the people that have won my giveaways have been polite and marked them as received.
The only ones that perturb me are the ninjas. To not even say thank you for someone offering you a free game is pretty pathetic to me.
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I think the ninjas that don't comment saying anything are just bots, or at least I hope so.
I don't giveaway much games, but I usually wait for some time to accumulate keys and then giving them all way together, it's cooler.
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I think that is probably true for a lot of them, but the unfortunate fact is that there are just some people out there that have no manners. They just take it without gratitude. Heck, you can even see it at Steam in the Activity feed for a Group I belong to. They gave away 100 keys for a game, and even after all those are gone, there are still people demanding their free keys!
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Hey, i'm in your <3. thank you!
don't mind the ratio. i find that being nice around here is more important...
this place has become so much more than just a place to leech games.
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Fancy skulls, fancy <3!
Yeah, maybe I wasn't so nice, but I think I wasn't bad either, just neutral, or at least I always try to be neutral/nice to people
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I've actually gotten a few new friends on Steam because of SG.:)
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only a few?!
i was at 3-4 before... not many real life friends use steam
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To be fair, I've only been at SG for a little while now. I don't want to pester people with a Friend invite out of the blue, but if someone from here wants to be a Friend at Steam I won't turn them away.:)
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indeed.... i see you are a Doctor who fan ;)
all of us are a little on the stalker side here
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I am! I was pleasantly surprised at how good the new series has been. I have only watched Seasons 1-3 (I'm Canadian, so it's hard for me to call it Series 1-3) as I still need to purchase the Doctor Who Adventures (the final Tennant minis before Matt Smith took over) before I watch any more.
And I like to take a looksee at various Profiles as well. I tend to avoid the ones that have vulgarity strewn all over their Profile. By no means am I am prude, but to me it smacks of immaturity more than anything. Speaking of looksee's, I think I'll check Steam to see if I've got a request from TinyPurple...;)
ETA: Dang...not yet, anyhow.;)
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i'm so lazy... add me :)
"new" as in compared with the 60's one? damn. i tried watching that. sadly, i couldn't
but i must say, Matt was an oddball doctor, but Capaldi? i honestly think he is better than Tennant.
the thing is, Tennant had the BEST!!!!! companions (both Rose and DONA!)
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Tom Baker is my favourite "classic" Doctor.
And you have been added, Mr. Lazy Bones. LOL!
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I should blacklist you for changing your profile picture.
YOU'RE MAKING ME READ OUT YOUR NAME. How dare you :|
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i know. evil me ;)
but i'm in the same theme, and it's mostly black as before
also, i had a copycat around, couldn't have that
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You're close to level 3.Don't worry about haters (I mean my ratio is not the best either but it's okay...JOHN CENA!!!).
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By the end of the week I will do 5 giveaways (for now I got only 3 keys that I want to giveaway) so I'm super close!
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Don't worry about it. There are far more important things in the world than what others think about your ratio in SG. :)
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I have the same problem as you Narga with the games won/sent ratio. Especially now that there is SGtools. Ugh. But, if you look at the value of what I've given away versus won, it's higher, b/c I tend to win bundled games and I have given away a lot of nonbundled quality stuff. So I started buying game bundles to giveaway b/c I was being blocked and even blacklisted by my ratio =( So, yeah, it bites how dumb people can be. That said, the vast majority of people I have encountered on Steamgifts forums are actually pretty chill about this stuff. ~Welcome and know that while someone out there will find a reason to dislike you, most will not =)
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Many people are generous, but sometimes generous people tend to think they are better because of their generosity
So the only think I can do is giving more games away it seems hehe
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That's true; Some people power-trip on their own generosity, but I find that's rare here. Mostly, the community's good, present company included~
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I don't understand. Most SGTools giveaways look at the real CV sent / real CV received ratios, rarely people look at the number of games.
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Here's an example of the sent/one ratio from forums: http://www.sgtools.info/giveaways/45617ef9-d811-11e5-83b1-04019cc0dc01
There are a lot of others that I have come across. It's not that uncommon here since SGTools was introduced.
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Here is another 1:1 sent/won ratio SGTools gate with a messy custom set of rules: http://www.sgtools.info/giveaways/4c7faf96-e23f-11e5-83b1-http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/xmR5W/whitelist-and-salt-thread04019cc0dc01 from discussion as well. It's a train.
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The games been on my wishlist for awhile and it looks really interesting, so I'd be really grateful if you added me. :D
As for what you said, I agree. SG's community, while on the whole amazing and very friendly, can get toxic and elitist.
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1.0 ratio requirements are pretty reasonable in my book, but you're so close to that I can't imagine anyone would have a serious problem with you.
Solution: Give away more DOG PACK.
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DOG PACKS ARE MY JAM
Nah seriously I will give away better stuff, that one was kind of a joke honestly, I still have another copy lol
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Hey, I'm sure someone is enjoying it. I just find the idea of purchasing a DOG PACK really funny. When I'm evaluating someone's ratio, I don't usually think "Oh, that's a bad/cheap game, they shouldn't give that away." I can appreciate that not everyone has money to burn on AAA games to give to random strangers. Just picking up a bundle or something cheap every now and then to give back is enough.
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Someone, somewhere, somehow, still wants Bad Rats.;)
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I usually win DLCS or bundled games, so yeah giving bundle games is enough
FOR NOW
When I win something big I will do a big giveaway
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My first win was actually Bastion! I was quite stoked to win that one (it was wishlisted). That is the game I am actually currently playing.:)
And I may have to have a Bad Rats giveaway then.;) LOL!
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Pretty much I got called out on my sent/win ratio because it seems that if you don't give away way more game that you win you suck and you should be ignored
You're ratio isn't that horrible for calling out you a leecher, I can tolerate everything up to 1:10, however when I see people with 0/100+ you can bet Il call them a leechers XD
P.S. No need to add me on your whitelist, add someone who havent won anything so far :)
Good luck
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I'm not really interested in your giveaway, but you should still add me to your white list because I added you to mine. :P
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If you add me i will do the same, and i will giveaway a lot of games soon ;)
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Your ratio is not a concern to me. What concerns me is your failure to recognize how important your comment in the other thread was in initiating the response that you are complaining about. Let it go and move on.
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Come on. You're not a leecher.
Ratio is not everything. You've barely won $350 and gave $280. You've got plenty of space to catch up.
I can understand the bad feelings against leechers but I can understand that some of the users just don't have the kind of money to make too many GAs. And time and opportunities.
Anyway, I came on SG because I had a spare key. Then I saw the games I could win and began salivating. Then I got used to giveaway from time to time. Then I began to enjoy the company even more than the average game I win
If you're like me, a good way to limit your wins is to limit yourself to your wishlist because those are the games you will want to play anyway. GAs will come but don't hurry.
And nobody deserves to be ignored for ratio reasons. You didn't break any rule.
Cheers !
BTW : I'm not asking for WL. I whitelist people with absurd positive ratios to give them a little bit back. But lots of them live by a kind of samurai code preventing them to enter anything so I often end up with dangerously few entries :). SG is a strange place.
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How about we WL each other? :D (Already have the game tho)
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Could I have a opportunity to get in your whitelist please? :)
And I'll add you, too. Also, I usually create giveaways with groups and whitelist.ヽ(✿ﾟ▽ﾟ)ノ
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if you don't give away way more game that you win you suck and you should be ignored
It's like some private Trading Giveaway Group logic.
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You are giving to this community, and it's great! Thats not your fault for being lucky and winning more than you give.
And making private giveaways is not a crime.
Just don't bother! Good luck in future giveaways :)
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I know some people here are very nice and generous, but there are some exception
I will not call out, but let some salt go because eurgh
Pretty much I got called out on my sent/win ratio because it seems that if you don't give away way more game that you win you suck and you should be ignored (I don't tolerate calling me out, but ignoring me? Hell nah, at least reply to me and not someone else) and I felt the urge to complain.
OKAY the salt it's gone, you still there?
I can't only complain so I did a whitelist giveaway
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/DwrxQ/knights-of-pen-and-paper-1-edition
If you don't are in my whitelist and you want the game, give me a reason to and I will add you
Of course I will do some other whitelist giveaways in the future so it's better being whitelisted than blacklisted (no racism here lmao)
((general info, in the current whitelist I got every people I won a game from here))
EDIT: more people asking for a whitelist and less people arguing, I get it I'm a wiener and stupid and etc
Just ask for a whitelist if you want it ;)
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