Well, that is ****ing bullshit. Hope they like the bad press. Really, putting it in Greenlight bundles and all, then deciding to not give keys is bloody bull.
And of course, I doubt most people who voted for it to pass Greenlight want the game on Steam other than to get their key from buying a bundle.
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Plenty of other devs have said they won't be giving Steam keys for their greenlit games. They've always changed their minds.
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Well, looks like they are reneging on a promise.
Edit: Looks like you edited it in like 5 seconds before my post :P
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My bet is 2 and a half hours from the posting of this. 21:30, GMT+1.
Anyone else want to play the guess game as to when they'll cave in after the outrage?
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They put it in bundles that promised Steam keys once it passed Greenlight. This gets people to upvote all kinds of shit. Once they exploited votes this way to get on Steam, they denied the keys originally promised. They got on Steam and no longer give a **** about what they offered for those votes.
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Steam cloud saves, achievements, having it in a convenient place in your library, etc?
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If I buy a PS3 game where they say: Free extra Steam key included I expect there is a free extra Steam key to play on PC inside. And now punch yourself in the face and look at the OTs links...
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Don't compare consoles to PC, not the same thing bro.
It was in a Groupees Bundle that previously promised to give a Steam key when greenlit and released. To not follow through on that promise is outright lying and deception about something that you sold to people for money. I don't think I really need to tell you that that situation is not acceptable.
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consoles are exactly the same as pc's and theirs a perfect metaphor, advertising dlc comes with the game and finding it doesnt, got gamestop in a heap of trouble recently and this crap is the online equivelant of promising then not delivering
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There may be some parallels in some situations but they shouldn't be just be treated the same (like a blanket statement). There's a reason why the PC market gets all these bundles and generally gets significantly deeper discounts on games than consoles. A big part of that reason is the heavy shift towards digital distribution and the lack of a relevant used game market, whereas on consoles it is a ubiquitous and entrenched practice.
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I would, however, demand a code for the game if I bought it because I was promised that it would be included. Not giving me the code after advertising it is known as false advertising.
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Why people gotta do this?
So many devs do some pretty sleazy stuff regarding Greenlight, I wish there was a bit more oversight or something. I'm not even sure you're actually obligated to do anything you say you'll do on the Greenlight page...it's like being in politics, and it's pretty dumb.
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Check his other tweets: 'I only agreed to give Steam keys for sales on other sites provided I had a list of individual contacts/sales.'
'No site has ever agreed to provide me that list and I'm unwilling to randomly give them thousands of keys.'
Is he really that dumb or just a huge douchebag? Possibly both.
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It's so that he knows who actually bought the game. But either way he should have known better.
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I bet he signed a contract with Groupees and if he does not provide keys they will sue his sorry ass...
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Their reputation would be tarnished? The developer is the guy breaking the contract here.
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And who will buy from them if they don't force bad developers to keep their part of the contract?
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Game devs are always looking for exposure, and Groupees is the best way to do it - case and point, once the game I'm working on is done, I want to put it in a community bundle.
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it was also on indiegala in a bundle and I am sure he stated somewhere at the time that every purchase (groupees,desura,indiegala) will receive a steam key once greenlighted.
That was the only reason I bought that bundle back then thats why I remember, though I can't find that statement now. (only the groupees screenshot which is posted already)
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inb4 lawsuit
Seriously, if you promise keys, don't be a douchebag.
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A lot of previous Greenlit games have done it, it'd seem to be they think they're "better" than those previous games if they'r not willing to give out keys >_>
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Already answered the whole "not giving steam keys part" in reply to Deltas post, but additionally:
The part about getting the list of emails of every single buyer of a bundle - is this dev a retard who started using internet yesterday? Is that blatant mockery and bluff from him or did he seriously want to just receive a full mailing list of groupees for free? It's probably worth more than his game...
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He's just using an excuse to try to justify his actions. I won't give keys unless Groupees does this impossible thing. Since they won't break all sorts of privacy laws, I won't give away keys.
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To be optimistic, one might think he just wants accurate figures, not actual names or mail addresses. I mean, for Build a Bundle... bundles, the public knows the total sales, but not how many people put a certain game in their bundle. This is the sort of data a dev would like to know, but I am also pretty sure Groupees wouldn't have a problem providing it.
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I love how the game is different enough from the one in the bundle that we aren't entitled to the keys that were promised, but it's the same enough that he doesn't feel the need to re-earn all the votes the bundles got him. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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I was actually wondering, couldn't that point be raised to steam support?
I think you are right, sticking to the comments of the dev the game has changed significantly and thus should be reevaluated, if not there is nothing preventing someone to get greenligthed as a FPS(by giving away keys or bundling the game) and then switch to a 3rd person turn based RPG.
I didn't vote for the game so I feel like a report from me would be just ignored by steam support, but maybe if enough people complain about it they will do something.
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It's not about what it is, it's about what the developers claim it to be.
If according to them it's a whole new game then that statement should be forwarded to steam support and ask for a reevaluation. Should he retract his statement then it's just a matter of letting he face the bad publicity associated with trying to pull off something like that to not fulfill a promise.
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That actually reminds me of something from quite some time ago that many may have forgotten about. At one point the devs of Orion: Dino Horde (formerly Beatdown) tried to make the game third-person only, after having sold and advertised it as a first-person game. They later changed their stance on this.
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Wasn't there a bunch of replies on the first tweet? I was going to read the new ones, but not seeing them now.
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Not sure if you can remove replies from a tweet but they are gone, that's for sure.
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Yup, they are gone. If anyone kept the page open and has all the replies, be sure to screenshot them.
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Unfortunately I refreshed by mistake, so I only have mine now.
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yes there were tons of replies before and now they are all gone.
I hope someone can make screenshot of them on a tab which is still open.
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"I won't give keys because the game has changed enough for it to be considered as a new game"
"I won't give keys because I never got the mailing list of the buyers"
He needs to make up his mind.
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It seems that is the same game with a expansion pack.
Which makes it even more ridiculous. Put the base game on steam and the expansion pack as a DLC. Problem solved.
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Exactly, he's just trying to give shitty reasons.
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Without this http://i.imgur.com/h1UhCGM.png the game never would've been on Steam. He's a person doing frauds, somebody like that first of all started gaining the confidence of the people, then basicly it turns out he lied to get his game on Steam, that's actually called a criminal. I looked it up.
He is indeed new to the internet or never has been to school, not knowing the game can be deleted as fast from Steam like it got thrown onto it.
I myself didn't buy the bundle or game, but I know some laws and this shocks me, I went to the Greenlight page on steam and reported him as criminal with the proves. I hope other people will do the exact same thing before the game actually hits the store and he cashes in.
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Great idea, I did the same.
I didn't purchase the bundle (I never purchase Greenlight bundles, now you see why) but I think he should be punished for this behavior.
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He didn't delete them. Hid maybe? I don't know and don't care how the Twitter works
but for those of you want to feel the flame or even add some fuel of your own...
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