Making a crappy cash-grab using the Crysis (?) engine as some piss-poor asset-flip doesn't make you a developer in my eyes.
I'm hardly surprised "they" (probably just one person considering how much effort was put into that "game") can't handle their prejudices in public.
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Just want to point out the other top review is mine. They tried bribing me first , then intimidating , then flat out threatening me with religious quotes and that I should be afraid of them and Islam.....
I actually reported them to the FBI. The msgs where through Steam and I am trying to get in contact with them to coordinate a complete convo dump from their side.
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Nothing they said or did is illegal in America so the FBI won't take action. Making the accusation they're Islamic extremists funding their cell can get you sued without evidence backing that claim though, unlikely but still.
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The call to the FBI was made for personally msging me to threaten me and the threat was made with religious Islamic overtones. The rest is simply being posted in public forums for exposing their racism , hate and bigotry.
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And now I am glad I didn't get one of their keys for their generic, righ-outta-the-bin crappy game.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if they turn out to be just some fucking religious retar--... anyway, sad you had to go through that. It just gets me on my nerves because of me being gay.
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And I am not even personally religious. But tolerance is one thing we can all agree on.
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Alright, WHAT THE FUCK?!
I'm speechless! Friggin religions and crazy followers, they ruin everything.
Even fucking giveaways for Steam codes!
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It is not about tolerance, it's about imbeciles that think some random old book should dictate not only their lives, but the ones of those around them.
Am I the only one that finds the fact that those people exist disturbing beyond words?
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I'm sorry, I assumed that from "It just gets me on my nerves because of me being gay." you expected people to be tolerant of your own prejudiced-against status, and thus I could correlate that to you treating those with cognitive impairments with equal respect.
Apparently I was mistaken, and I'll just assume you're an asshat toward such individuals.
Please do correct me if we've miscommunicated, and you'll be more considerate of your hate speech [unintended as it likely was] in the future.
That aside, I don't think any rational person isn't disturbed by irrationality, as the two mindsets are anathemas of one another.
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I just don't really care about people using any insults they want. Same way I don't give a shit if anybody uses "queer" or "fag" as an insult (HELL, I use them myself! Am I'm fucking gay..), as long as they do not refer to the whole LGTB community. Showing some maturity and understanding that they are part of the range of insults isn't bad when they are not directed at one that may be suffering from such cognitive issues.
Until we do get to have some new insults that may have near the same amount of intrinsic cathartic value.
Otherwise, let me tell you do sound like one of those untouchable pieces of cotton that populate Tumblr and feel like the whole reality we inhabit should bent towards political correctness and making sure NOBODY is EVER made felt a little bit bad.
Or maybe I'm just cynical, look how much I care. I'm just amazed you have gone mad by that and completely sidetracked the discussion.
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Here is the other review http://steamcommunity.com/id/Tincup_The_Middleman/recommended/442180
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Thanks, and that's is some pretty damn fucking disturbing crap right fucking there. Holy mother of the sweet Spaghetti monster.
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Ya. And still not a single official response anywhere from Valve. 2 days now. And they are still using Steam to spread hate and bigotry. Not to mention their "game" is nothing more then a pos demo of free assets that crashes constantly and is the EXACT same thing they released (and where removed , entire store gone) already.
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It's Valve, they have secured their monopoly on digital PC games so they don't give a shit, not even about providing us with a proper support staff.
So I do not expect them to even bother looking at this; or even think about removing the game...
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Sorry but you are wrong. I have personally helped uncover numerous little details and reported them through youtuber's for it to be exposed. I can remember 3 that where removed for this explicitly and others removed because the info I saved helped others get enough info to properly inform Valve of it.
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Sorry then, I just felt like Valve's invisible handling of community affairs excels at being invisible many times. Let's hope they can get this indoctrinating, extremist, religious scum off the store.
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The fucked up part is that I posted a thread about it in Steam Discussion's own forums to get it more attention. It stayed there for an hour and a mod just deleted with no reason. I had to msg them to find out why it was removed when it didn't even have a name or dev name on it so it was not naming and shaming.
THIS is their response:
"Your thread was not deleted.
It was moved to an out of way place and a link sent to Valve."
SO OUT OF THE WAY that even I can't find it or write on it or edit it.
So ya. Valve is now censoring it in what I can only guess is some sort of attempt to actually cover their own incompetence.
When I asked where it was moved to and why : " Why was it moved then ? Why hide my post at all from where even I could see it or comment on it myself ? Where others could see it as well. It didn't break any rules , it was not actually naming or shaming anyone. It had info about what was going on. Nothing else."
They have yet to respond. That was 20 mins ago.
GG Valve. Good thing I screenshot and save everything. Guess Sterling gets another care package from me.
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Yeah, I already read that on the review page! Pretty damn fucked up indeed.
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BUMP
Ignorant assholes, wish I hadn't activated the key I got for free!
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You can remove it from your Steam library! I don't recall exactly how, but if you feel dirty with it on your list, I advise checking it out. =)
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Well some bad things happened today in my life and i wasn't here to take the free key...looking at this and reviews that mention the game is only 1 stage long and clearly made to take money from you , i guess it's safe to assume i didn't miss much while i was gone
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Holy shit, those developers are really cra... Wait, is this your real thoughts, not another quote from developers?
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We DON"T want that to happen with our future kids.
You portray it like it's some kind of highly contagious disease. What the hell.
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please use this instead....
http://i.imgur.com/jW5igPp.png
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first under "general": https://www.steamgifts.com/about/guidelines
Not worth being suspended for things like these. Cheers! :)
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Why do they call it Homophobia? Phobia is fear related right? While most of the people called Homophobia is usually hate related?
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While Niv and Uroborous are accurate in their statements, those are all subsequent explanations for the term.
Originally, it was coined to describe the "fear that people would think you were gay".
In other words, it relates to the modern concept of 'you're so anti-gay, you must be a closet gay yourself' [which is faulty logic, but exemplifies the original basis rather well].
A couple years later, it became classified as an actual phobia:
Weinberg's term became an important tool for gay and lesbian activists, advocates, and their allies. He describes the concept as a medical phobia:
[A] phobia about homosexuals.... It was a fear of homosexuals which seemed to be associated with a fear of contagion, a fear of reducing the things one fought for — home and family. It was a religious fear and it had led to great brutality as fear always does.
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In summary, Homophobia is any fear OR similar aversion to homosexuality.
Rather, all related mentalities became bundled under that initial 'fear' concept, as a single 'diagnosis'.
Besides, hate and fear do go hand in hand, and there are plenty of claims that fear is the basis of all hate.
In the end, the word fits, in originating concept, as a subsequent generalized diagnostic term, and perhaps even as a completely accurate descriptor of the foundation of any negative sentiments those suffering from the mental illness may express.
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Wow there, homophobic people started a massive blacklisting. Shitty bigots. xD
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Depends. You blacklist the bigots or the ones that support the gay rights? Because if you blacklist the ones that support the gay rights, then you probably are out of your mind.
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I'm not a fluent English speaker/writer. What do you mean? You're against the bigoted people or not?
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People like this asshole: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/AALBaUd
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Don't even TRY to spin this and make this about 'handouts', son. That rhetoric is so overused it's embarrassing.
It was a giveaway that they advertised and were inviting people to come ask for keys. They were doing this for exposure.
And what-ifs are irrelevant, given they didn't actually decline politely. They threw a pointless insult because of sexuality, and were explicit about the reason why. That's a long mile of difference, so much so that discussing the alternative in this case is just a distraction.
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I don't give a fuck who you asked the question to. It's an open discussion forum and you're trying to twist the most straight-forward of situations to fit your narrative, even when the screenshot source is right there in the OP for all to see, which flies in the face of the endgame you're gunning for (again).
You're also literally implying that explicit prejudice is LESS childish than bringing up or discussing said explicit prejudice.
Let that sink in for a moment, dude.
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"I can prejudice on anything, it's within my right.
Is there a law for that? If no, then shut the hell up."
Really. By the same token, I can call your idiocy for what it is. 'It's within my right'
Is there a law against that? If no, then shut the hell up.
In america (or in my case, britlandia) WE HAVE FREEDUMBS!
EAGLE TEARS. APPLE PIE. I'm saying words and you can't stop meee!
OOoooh saaay can youuu seeee, by the dawns earlyyy liiiight. We can oooopen our mouuuths, and let fly with the SHIIITE.
Come, sing vis me!
Having freedom of speech does not mean you are immune from observation.
Nor does it let you silence interjection in a public forum when you desperately try to twist something to fit your political agenda.
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You are raging at a person who remains polite and are hurting your own case. Please keep your discussion civil.
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I took the bait, but he was fishing. Seems like a fair exchange.
He was far from polite. His vocabulary may seem so on a surface level, but his tone from start to finish was patronising. Passive aggression is still aggression. Yeah, it's beneath me to act in this way, but watching them deliberately twist such a simple matter to read off the whole "you're entitled, looking for handouts, and more childish than the bigot" vomit pushed my buttons.
I will however dial back my own vocab to match his, sorry for lowering the class of what is already a sad stand-in for a discussion.
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Zeroxxx is pushing the limit, too, but I am hoping neither one of you actually crosses the line.
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Just a bystanders opinion, I think you got too agitated (first) and that escalated the discussion. I understand that this topic brings the heat easily but it is better to remain civil and keep the head cool.
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Right. SG's biggest bully certainly doesn't deserve a response, but you definitely deserve to be stuck up for, so here you go:
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You call out Uroborous, whose only 'raging comment' was a direct quote of zeroxxx's, and who then proceeded to (in a rather obviously intentional way) exaggeratedly mock an overall mindset regarding the concept of 'freedom without responsibility'.
ie, he was not raging "at" the person who has been a complete ass to him, and presumably not even raging at all, but merely being facetious.
[This seems to hold true for all his comments below, as well, sans the parent jab (which at the least was still not presented in a raging manner, and was more than made up for by zero's return volleys.)]
As you say, Uroborous finally ( after all the crap he's put up with in relation to this topic ) losing his calm and being a little bit over-exasperated and snarky in his responses doesn't help his case- but there's no way in hell he acted worse than zeroxxx, or that zeroxxx in any way has remained polite.
[Nevermind that zeroxxx is rather infamous in his own right for not ever being civil (and for his intolerant nature), and ohmigosh, certainly hasn't changed pattern this time around- how you can choose to call out Uroborous of the two with those comments from Zeroxxx, I simply can't figure.]
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Now, more importantly: May I still 'sing vis you'? =O
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Sorry, but was that supposed to be a reply to my comment? (It currently goes back to Uroboros.)
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I don't want unambiguous statement, so you can have excuse later.
My opinions on you won't change, you are just another entitled guy out there who thinks you deserve it but can't accept that people can have the right to deny you for whatever reason.
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For THIS reason no, but, if they just answer "No", I really ignore it, this game was already buried by previous reviews, then I would not care for it because it would not be losing anything, the problem is HOW they refused.
Don't pretend you can't read
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I already asked what if they refused politely like I stated, but you answered yes.
It doesn't change the fact, right?
Don't pretend it does.
Looks like our discussion is over. I disagree with you based on the facts you answered yourself in this chain comment. End of story.
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That's why I explicitly asked you.
For me, my set of examples I wrote above is pretty much polite statement, but for you it's not enough for other reasons (prejudice etc).
If I were in your shoes and was told to fuck off (because I supported LGBT with my FB picture), I'd upset as well but wouldn't do anything else since I was asking for what, free stuff? The best I could do probably talking to my friends. It'd be different if I were a paying customer.
If I were told I am not going to receive anything like 'sorry we don't give handout to people who support LGBT', then I would walk away without any issue. That statement is polite, very clear and honest for me.
That's all.
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Is that a fact?
Do groups that are selling products commercially have the right to explicitly deny people based on their race, sex, or identity?
Even if you try to say they can because it was a giveaway,
"We're giving away 100 copies of our game, leave a comment on our official FB page to get a key! We do not support blacks and women, fuck you."
Do you really think that floats?
This isn't anything to do with the fact they didn't get a key. There are plenty of people who applied, so not everyone was going to get one. Even a half-blind mentally impaired monkey can see that this is due to how they felt it was appropriate to speak to the public, as a business.
And for fucks sake dude, he literally wrote one line. A single line. He highlighted his response was "yes" and you're calling that ambiguous? You'll pull a muscle moving those goalposts.
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Aside from the fact that they did answer ("almost the same"), why would anyone want to reply in length to a loaded bait question?
See, if they say it wouldn't have been so bad if they engaged in polite discussion, and explained it's down to religious reasons, you're going to run a mile with that and default to canned responses about "so it's just because you're offended".
The thing is, not everyone launches into a hyper-offended rage at every prejudiced intellectually challenged gremlin. People let a lot of things slip by for the sake of being chill. Only it's not just an individual, but a person speaking on behalf of a dev group. In the event they'd be more chill if the dev was more respectful in broaching the issue, that still wouldn't detract from the gravity of what actually happened.
Nice touch with the use of a demeaning tone. Why bother producing a convincing argument when you can just hide behind tone and pretend you have something intellectual hiding away. :3
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Bye. Your parents taught you to be keyboard warrior, so I give you my blessing.
Didn't they teach you not to meddle into other people's argument as well? Even when I clearly told you it's a matter between him and me?
Oh my, calling out others' parents when yours is incompetent to begin with.
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I see you took me up on my offer of wallowing in ignorance! :3
The OP made this an open discussion, and so I engaged when I saw you trying to belittle them for daring to even discuss the issue. Get over it you entitled twat.
"when yours is incompetent"
Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?
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We're grading pointless taunts now?
I'm just going blow for blow with someone who showed no interest but in patronising and demeaning.
I actually very nearly just wrote "ur mom" instead of the parental thing, but thought the two-step mimicry had a better flavor than the gigglish stupidity I originally planned. The guy is calling someone childish for daring to discuss the matter, and segued into the 'handouts' and 'entitled' routine, I don't care for keeping it classy when that border was long since breached.
It should be beneath me, but my buttons got pushed. My loss, I guess.
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Are you really trying to say it's childish to alert people to a prejudiced, unprofessional game dev?
Not only that, but you're suggesting it's more childish to bring this up, than it is to outright tell someone 'fuck you' because you don't agree with their sexuality?
Really?
Like, seriously?
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Hi everyone, I always participate in sweepstakes of games that the own developers offers, as many of you.
This week the publishing Dream Games distributes keys to the game Operation Caucasus pre-released on May 23 this year.
The scheme was to go to their facebook page and ask for a key, that's what I did ...
The answer was negative, because I use the colors of the rainbow on my profile picture and they said they did not support LGBT and "kindly" asked me to go f*ck myself. Then they blocked me, preventing me from posting the print on their facebook page.
Follows the print: http://imgur.com/tru0YgE
Anyone who wants to help, can mark as a useful analysis to stay on top.
Link the publishing page on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Dream%20Games
Link of the game on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/442180
I had already warned that in the post on the given keys https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/JMwgGKR but with a own topic, the message reaches more people
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