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“Most gun control arguments miss the point. If all control boils fundamentally to force, how can one resist aggression without equal force? How can a truly “free” state exist if the individual citizen is enslaved to the forceful will of individual or organized aggressors? It cannot.”
― Tiffany Madison
I mean... I feel pretty free down here in Australia, but whatever. :|
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One of the main arguments for guns is defense against government oppression. In that case there's no "equal force". Guns aren't going to be much help against an advanced military with their tanks, jets, bombs (nukes), etc. Somehow I doubt she would be in favor of your average citizen being able to buy bombs.
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And that "equal force" argument also willfully ignores the fact that packing doesn't make you resistant to bullets. JFK was shot and killed by a "lone gunman" while being surrounded by some of the best trained armed men in the world, in a state where a lot of people own guns.
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If the shooting of a president wasn't enough to change the laws back then already, then, unless by some miracle or extremely large force, those laws won't be overturned. I fully understand the right and freedoms people seek or site when it comes to gun control, but it's just not working. I'm not for or against anything, but surely there must be better ways of dealing with. Lessons can be learned from other countries, but, let's face it, America is a power unto itself, they believe in leading and not following.
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I definitely see your point but then we are still looking for a cure against cancer. Been a while. Not a reason to give up. And things with guns, more unhappy bitter people feeling nobody will notice it if they kill themselves without taking dozens of strangers with them, more dangerous guns etc, it's still an important issue to debate. And I fully realize the issues of freedom involved in limiting a right that's been so embedded into a country's culture and society as this is but we need to keep looking.
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For sure, no one should ever give up, especially when people's lives are on the line.
But it's always easier for those guys making the laws, or benefitting from them, because somehow they're never affected.
There's always going to be a struggle, and politicians these days, around the world, are dissociated from the people's general needs, and yet they're still chosen to lead.
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Ain't that the truth! It's the same everywhere on both side of the aisle. Even when they think of themselves as different and independent they couldn't run for anything without being in the pocket of people who know or care nothing for the people doing the living.
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how america sees guns
this is something i find hard, but really hard, to understand. and kinda far, from here, from me.
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yeah it's really a cultural thing
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it's also a misunderstanding. Gun rights advocates conveniently only read the second half of the second amendment, or gloss over the first half.
The second amendment was about protecting the local militia, not the individual person.
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The people of the USA ARE the miltia.
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an individual yahoo waving a gun is not a militia
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tbf, with historical context it was basically because we could not afford a standing army. The milita's back then were in defense from invading nations
this is further highlighted by the Whiskey Rebellion, when Washington rallied up troops to put down a milita who felt they were being unjustly taxed (ironically they were Revolutionary War vets)
It's definitely cultural now though, and I get the feeling the second amendment is here to stay.
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"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
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I stand corrected. Thank you.
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Thanks! :D
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