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Hi, first of all, thanks for the giveaway.

I've noticed you haven't set a level restriction on your giveaways, may i suggest, that you do so in your future ones?
The reason is simple, there are a lot of bad accounts on this site, like autojoiners, multis, bots, win resellers and other rule breakers or just leechers, who doesn't contribute to the site at all, and most of them are found on level 0.
I even suggest to set a higher level than 1, because it will cost like 10 Cent to reach that level, even level 3 is pretty cheap to reach and will cost like 10 to 20 bucks, also being poor isn't an excuse for me, because i live below the poverty line of my country and even i managed to get to level 5 in few months.
Another advantage of setting the bar higher is, that you won't get bothered by all the annoying thank you messages from autojoiners with thank you script, that's why i set my bar even higher to at least level 4 and level 3 being the real exception.
You can even go right away and delete your giveaway to set it up new with a level restriction, if you wish to do so, deletion of running giveaways are accepted instantly.

I'm a person, who checks his winners, about ratio and also rule breaks and if you like to do so:
http://www.sgtools.info/activation
http://www.sgtools.info/multiple-wins

If you see red marks there, you can request a reroll for a new winner, just put the link into your support ticket

If you want to know how many users are on each level:
https://www.steamgifts.com/stats/community/users
with 970k users on level 0 85% of the accounts on the site haven't contributed with a giveaway and just there for leeching, another reason for setting up a level restriction.

If you got more questions, feel free to ask.

Have a nice day

2 years ago

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Fnord

Having been on the site for over a decade and probably being the first person who told people to not write thanks messages (this was before you got notifications about messages), I can tell that this isn't very true:

Another advantage of setting the bar higher is, that you won't get bothered by all the annoying thank you messages from autojoiners with thank you script, that's why i set my bar even higher to at least level 4 and level 3 being the real exception.

Thank you messages will come even if you set high level requirements

The reason is simple, there are a lot of bad accounts on this site, like autojoiners, multis, bots, win resellers and other rule breakers or just leechers, who doesn't contribute to the site at all, and most of them are found on level 0.

Also not true, going by my "rule breaker fishing trips", level 0 accounts were not the majority. It felt like most of the bad actors had managed to get to level 3 or 4. And there's a shockingly large number of perma-banned Level 10 users.

2 years ago

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Prosac

i never said, you won't get any, i said you won't get all the annoying thank you messages from autojoiners

again, i said a lot, i know myself, that 40% aren't a majority, if you don't trust that number, ask Kappaking

2 years ago*

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Khalaq

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I can verify some of the things Fnord says.

Fnord is one of the earliest users asking people not to thank him.
People are going to send messages regardless, even if you beg them not to do so.
There are users at every level when it comes to rule-breaking. SGT is not perfect, but you can at least request the Mods double-check for you if you have reason to suspect a problem.
Those who have been permabanned have been either extremely naughty or extremely stubborn in their refusal to work with Staff. The Mods are not swayed by a user's level when it comes to discipline. Whether users achieve level 10 by "cheating the system" and then get caught, or reach level 10 by legit means and then sabotage themselves, the end result is the same. It is extremely rare that a permaban is reversed, so please cooperate with the Mods.
It is not difficult to get to level 3 or 4. I managed to reach level 10 despite being "poor" by my country's standards. I was simply persistent and efficient with my gifting. My biggest piece of advice for others is to give only when you want to give, and then only what you can afford. Everything else will come with time.

2 years ago

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Prosac

People are going to send messages regardless, even if you beg them not to do so.

But from my experience, the messages are a lot less, if any at all, if you set a proper level restriction

There are users at every level when it comes to rule-breaking.

sure, i never denied this, but the most are at low levels, just because of the sheer numbers of accounts there

SGT is not perfect, but you can at least request the Mods double-check for you if you have reason to suspect a problem.

and solving that request takes how long? Mods are so slow, that i even had to inform one of my winners, that i can't send the key in time (7 days), because mods have to check his red mark first

My biggest piece of advice for others is to give only when you want to give, and then only what you can afford.

and that's the point, most low levels don't even think about giving themselves and the more you have of them, the more problematic it gets for the site

2 years ago

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tubberware

I don't agree with your last point as it is. The site is called Steamgifts. Steamtrades can be found elsewhere. While "give at least something" (level > 0) has some thought behind it, we each have our reasons for giving gifts.

2 years ago

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Prosac

the site isn't called Steamcharity either and if you would've spend one thought about it, you would've came to the conclusion that gifting is usually mutual and i wonder why you did so many restricted giveaways here and didn't went to Steamtrades

2 years ago*

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tubberware

If you give a gift and expect something in return, I consider that a trade. Your definition may differ. The site is certainly not for charity as games are entertainment and no one needs games.

For your wondering, most of the recent (last couple years) hidden giveaways are for public events like forum trains and such. Whitelist and group restricted giveaways are for people or groups I expect to play their wins. Even if one needs to apply to those groups, I consider them public as anyone who actually wants, can get in without need to give games as a tax. As I stated earlier, each of us has a different criteria for giving gifts. For me what matters is that the winner at least tries to play the game. Never installed game in backlog is wasted in my opinion. I am not trading games for games. I am giving people games in expectation of them trying to get some fun out of it. I don't need Steamtrades for it, though I have used when I wanted to get games.

2 years ago

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Prosac

so according to your logic, every gifting in real-life is a trade, you should really give this one or two more thoughts, because based on your logic there isn't even something happening than gifting, it's all a trade or donation/charity

as i said, that gifting is usually mutual you don't expect something in return, but out of experience and social pressure you almost always get something back, but you don't get that social pressure in an anonymous environment, so some people with bad manners try to leech the system

But if you're so keen on names, why don't you donate a bit to Shell, who is saving sealife?

2 years ago

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tubberware

Perhaps my wording has been confusing because that is the opposite to my logic. Sorry about that! In my opinion, in this particular matter, there are either gifting (with no expectation of getting item in return) or trading (with expectation of getting item in return). Yes, there are things in between something like "soft trading" as in gifting but kinda hoping to get item in return but I still consider that as a form trading instead of gifting.

I think that this site has zero to do with charity. I have participated on multiple forum discussion regarding on this topic and still consider that giving games is not charity. They are luxury items meant for entertainment and luxury does not belong into charity.

As I understand, we merely have different opinion on gifting in general and that is alright. I personally don't feel the social pressure associated to gifting as you define it. For example, I can, and will, give gifts to friends without expecting them to give something back. I also give gifts here to people I do not know and still don't expect them to gift back to me or anyone else. You could point out that I previously stated to expect them gift feelings etc. back to me but it goes quite deep in semantics.

I don't understand your comment with Shell at all or how it relates to this discussion. Sorry.

My original comment was merely disagreeing with your view on gifting and low level users. The latter is a more lengthy topic on itself but also one where I just disagree with you. We have disagreements but I did not intend those as personal attacks. I hope you have a nice weekend! :)

2 years ago

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Prosac

I think everyone has its own take, what the site would be for them.
For me it's a secret santa, i give away something and don't expect to get something in return immediately, knowing that i'll get back something sometime, but i think we're drifting into a philosophical discussion here.
And i used Steamtrades myself, for games i really wanted

okay, then call it donation? I know twitch streamers take donations, which will support them and giving games here is also supporting the site, without games the site wouldn't have any right to exist, but the site isn't called Steamkeydonations.

yes, you don't need to expect something in return, but you're forming bonds there and that friend knows he was given something and i think every normal human tries to repay this favour somehow, ever brought flowers to your girl, when i did it, i didn't expect anything in return, i wanted to show my love and everytime my girl paid it back somehow.

with Shell, names don't always show what the business is about, same counts for Oxfam and other examples you'll find for sure, so maybe Steamgifts is just a name and doesn't stand exactly fo what the business is about?

maybe we don't even disagree that much, because i try to get people to set level restrictions on public giveaways and as you're doing most of your giveaways in groups or trains, you don't even touch the problems of public unrestricted giveaways

have a nice weekend too

2 years ago*

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Prosac

sorry for doublepost, but another point just came to my mind, if you gift a game and expect it to be played, that's something you expect in return, right? Another verification, that gifting is usually mutual.

2 years ago

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tubberware

You responded while I was writing comment but I slightly touched this topic in it. As stated, I think that goes quite deep into semantics but I'll try to summarize my thoughts on this:

In this topic, I consider a trade where person A gives game to person B which returns by giving a game in return. So trade consists of two persons exchanging items of similar type.
Yes, I agree on you that me expecting (hoping) for the winner to enjoy the game I give is also a trade when you go deep enough.
If previous statement is true, it is very unlikely that anyone could perform a pure gifting i.e. giving something while expecting nothing out of it. This relates closely to a question: Can one take a truly selfless action? If we go to this level, my opinion is that no, people cannot act truly selflessly. It would require one to perform an action that would bring nothing to him/her. No material, social, economical, or any other boon nor fulfilling any existing desire or wish. If there is zero motivation, there will be no action.

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