It's called parenting for a reason. If they want to limit their kid's use of TV, games and internet I say great. Make them read books instead of shooting imaginary stuff up. IMO it's simply parenting.
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I <3 books. Currently reading Leviathan Wakes. Thats my contribution to this thread.. because you care.
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My parents used to do this, but then I bought my own laptop and now they can't complain.
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you know, i learned a language on games, and perfected another, and i hope to learn a new one, and all of that without any kind of effort, and i'm not the only one out there, i have friends in the same situation as me, anyway this is to say that games are not all bad, but they are not all good too, moderation and caution are the key, don't play too much, and don't play just any game (be careful of some games).
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There are loads of people that learn languages from video games. If it's an awesome game that only came out in 1 language (English and Japanese are prolly the 2 main ones) then people will learn the language to/while play/ing.
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yeah my true story is a load of shit, my mother tongue is not English, if you did notice that, it would mean that i have still a long way to go to be fluent, but if you didn't, then i hope that what i just said made you realise your mistake, and i have no benefit in lying, i learned English in video games...
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Most probably small time span and no mentioned of what children should do instead. I presume those parents make them do all the housework they themselves too lazy or too good to do.
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Parents do not have to tell children how to entertain themselves. Kids have plenty of imagination and they use it. If they have toys, they can play for hours. If they have friends, they can play for hours. Two basic things all children have and use.
Also, I think most parents work and do the housework. And if they do let their children do chores, what they do usually depends on their age. And it is limited; they don't do everything, just have one chore, etc.
But it could be you have seen or experienced different things.
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You are making a lot of assumptions about "most parents" based on very limited experiences with parents. I know my Mom made me and my siblings do all the housework, we had no toys, we weren't allowed to visit friends, etc. I got home, had a few hours of chores, did my homework, and maybe got to read for an hour or 2 before bed time. I read because that was all I could do to pass the time, not because I wanted to read.
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As I wrote "I think most parents (..)". I did make the assumption that this topic was about the average well-off family who could afford toys, games, a computer, tv, etc. and who let their children have access to it.
You make the assumption that I base it on very limited experiences with parents ^^ Also note that I wrote "but it could be you have seen or experienced different things". I believed that would point out that I didn't mean that it is like that everywhere or with all parents.
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But they do tell them: go outside, go play with other kids, you can't stare in the window, play here while I'm doing something else, etc. Normal people can't have fun on cue.
P.S. Friends and imagination could do a lot much more harm than video games ever be able to.
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They shouldn't limit, they should let them do what they want but encourage them to do other things.
I've used to play Runescape looong time ago and that taught me lots about stuff as I wasn't speaking English very well. Now I can go outside and say 'Mom! It's an oak tree!' (not really) but you get my point.
I am neither for it neither against it. They are the parents.
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Limit game time? when I was little I was encouraged to play games by my optician, I had to wear a patch over one eye and games helped strengthen my weak eye. heh.
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Bill Gates was doing that, too (dunno like it is now, that was something I heard a few years ago).
My computer time as a kid was limited mostly because my dad wanted a piece of action, too, and we had only one machine, so I'd usually play after school and then let him play when he came back from work, maybe after he had a little nap or something. Other than being fair to my dad and letting him play, too, I didn't really had any limits. Was always responsible enough on my own to do homework etc, was acing everything at school, and I suppose at the end of the day that made parents not really care what I did with my time.
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When I was young, my mother used to take my power cable whenever she decided I had too much, or when we'd have guests over. Now she's playing Farmville the way I used to play games when I first started.
Just my 2 cents.
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It depends on the kids. I see some guys who just can't live without a pc and games. They have no friends, no social life, nothing. On one side you might say.. they ruin their own life.. but what if this is just how they want to live their lifes? IDK. Sometimes i feel bad for parents who have kids like this.
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Introverts are no less people that extraverts. Having social life and friends is neither default condition, not obligatory for a successful life.
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Parents are still within their rights to try to make a person more well rounded. Just like the try to control the extroverts from staying up drinking with friends all night, they try to make sure the introverts see the sun occasionally and perhaps meet a living human being now and then.
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You ever think that those people have a perfectly healthy social life with their online friends?
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My parents used to limit me to 2 hours a day of tv or video games in total, but I'd have to spend at least 2 hours outside doing anything at all, even reading a book, to earn those 2 hours. .-. Yet, my parents literally sat there like all day playing games. XD
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A kid needs to focus on education, self-discipline, and learning patience. Especially kids born to children of the 80s and 90s, the first generation of people who grew up in a world where video games have always existed.
I grew up around video games, and was allowed to ignore my schoolwork far too much. As a kid, you just can't understand the real world properly.
Parents don't pay enough attention to their kids today. They constantly vote for more and more of a nanny state. It's what adults want today, as far as their votes are concerned. Doesn't matter what they say, only what they do.
Children shouldn't have free time until all of their schoolwork is complete. After that, I say let them play video games. Just pay attention to their weight.
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I pity you and feel for your children. They're better of in a boot camp than under your parenting.
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You're an idiot. Did you even read all that or was it a bit too much for you? The poster said they could play video games, they just had to take care of their responsibilities (homework) first. Teaching them work before pleasure is hardly tyrannical.
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No, he said that children shouldn't have free time, should learn discipline and patience and that parents nowadays gone too soft.
Regardless of who said what making children do something in fear of punishment is not parenting. It's tyranny and borderline child abuse.
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"A kid needs to focus on education, self-discipline, and learning patience. Especially kids born to children of the 80s and 90s, the first generation of people who grew up in a world where video games have always existed."
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"Children shouldn't have free time until all of their schoolwork is complete. After that, I say let them play video games. Just pay attention to their weight."
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There's concern to guard against obesity, and a belief that kids should get a decent education and learn patience and self-discipline which are both decent qualities to have in adulthood.
Where exactly is the threat of punishment?
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It is implied with the excessive use of words "need" and "have to" and with the mere fact that rules are established.
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You might have inferred that from what they said, but you then explicitly stated it as a fact (untrue) and then made the leap to borderline child abuse simply because they advocated discipline and responsibility.
There was one instance of the word "need" and no instances of the phrase "have to" and yet you call this excessive...?
Children should not be subjected to established rules lest it be considered borderline child abuse? Is that your viewpoint? Are they a part of society? Society is based on rules that everyone must/should adhere to.
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I had that 1 hour limit. I couldn't understand back then why. Now I do. If I could play as long as I wanted, I wouldn't be able to concentrate on my homework e.t.c. But the real reason my parents used to do this, was because they wanted me to go out and play with the other kids and not spend my day inside, in front of a pc. Also, those parents didn't even know what playing games actually was and everything new, is suspicious at least. But all that was 15 years ago. Now the times are different and from what I can see, both parents and children have a huge problem of restraining themselves in all areas, especially the mobile phones.... Why the hell a 8 year old kid needs a mobile phone?
Ofc there were exceptions, like holidays, weekends e.t.c. but on school days, 1 hour was the limit and now I am glad they did that.
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That was back in 1995-1997. Online? I didn't have something like this and afterwards there was the 52kbps pstn. Online Games? Even if those existed, I hadn't even heard of something like it. As for my friends they ware all playing outside playing cause most of them didn't even own a pc.
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Its really weird. I've seen kids who are limited to an hour of gaming a day but can watch as much tv as they want. i don't know what outlook these parents have on gaming. it doesn't really make sense
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Well.. its the TV telling them (the Parents) that games are bad ;) Pretty sad..
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yeah same :P the only tv shows i watched were south park an futurama. futurama ended and south park is free online :P. (NETFLIX FTW)
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I don't think it's fair or even really "nice" to do. As the comment above me states, gaming is limited but television isn't? One, there's no logic to that. Two, why would you make your kids STOP an innocent hobby that brings joy to them? School is hard and stressful enough. They enjoy to relax when they have the chance. Most parents look down upon gaming and computer usage but those same parents will usually spend all their spare time watching tv. They complain about video games and computer being a waste of time and an addiction and blah blah blah, but it's no worse than watching television. In fact, being on the computer or playing games would use your brain if anything. It keeps the brain more active than television ever could. I think there's just a sort of hatred older generations have towards the evolving technology, a hate that stems from how it's "ruining" the youth and changing the times.
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Build my own computer, in my own room. Problems are nil.
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I see it as TV is just casual entertainment (More or less boring, unless you have cable :P) - But gaming can be quite addictive, and can cause a greater downfall for that child opposed to just "Watching TV"
Frankly, I am all for limiting, people should be doing far better things than gaming for endless hours anyway, especially children.
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Honestly, the only way i fit games into my schedule is by playing either an hour here or there for longer games, or doing a whole play through in one day. As for reading, I read only for my classes, then audiobooks when I drive.
If I were a parent I'd set a limit of two hours a day, then do anything else.
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Anything? Can they do drugs, gambling, prostitutes?
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Dear future children,
If you tracked down this post and are about to do "anything" in the context stated above please be advised that I do not approve of this behavior.
Signed
Your Father
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They can join a circus in their free time as long as they don't become a bearded lady.
Why are you asking, have my children contacted you from the future?
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I'm just flabbergasted with your choice of words. Particularly that you'll limit them in game time but they have carte blanche to do anything else.
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If its productive, why not? I can't predict changes in technologies in my kids future's so if they want to travel to space and they'd need flight school I would support them. After all its their life.
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If it's their life why can't they spend it gaming? Being productive by spending time in a guild, contributing to a guild-wide goal and building a sense of camaraderie and teamwork and learning how to manage resources, including time, all inside one MMO?
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Because their parents think gaming is bad, you silly goose.
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Everything is worse if it becomes one's only way of communicating/entertainment, limiting (imo of course) involves not fully understanding the reasoning behind doing said action. Last time i heard something along the lines of "stop using the computer" it was usually followed (after many inquires) by the reason that: "it's not socially acceptable".
Which brings me to a known pattern: When something becomes socially acceptable, it gets easier to recognise it as a common thing, perhaps later on videogames will become the next "TV", with content so dumbed down, the whole idea of "escaping in your own universe" "roleplay" and "expand your perspectives" will become just another cliche. I seriously hope this circle does not continue that way, but there's a big chance from what i see.
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The 80's called, they want their hot topic back.
(wittiest thing I could come up with on short notice, sorry)
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Lemme guess: non-player parents?
My kids can play all they want. I just play with them. Which means it's a family/social thing, which means I have a perfectly clear view on what they play, what they may or may not play, and it's all fun and games. I guess some people would be in an outrage just by seeing it, but even though they're both about 10, it's not a problem for us to play Killing Floor, for example. They don't have nightmares about it. Heck, they're laughing out loud at headshots. They also play MP with RL friends of mine every now and then.
That doesn't stop them from socializing with their friends, reading books, playing outside or board games. Fact is, they regulate themselves in a very interesting way. They either feel like playing on the computer, or don't. End of the story.
One kid isn't another. Such things are entirely dependent on the kids. And that's something I'm afraid most parents don't understand.
Here, what I DON'T understand: how their mother lets them sit on the couch all evening long watching TV. There's no value in it, no cooperation, no socializing, no problem solving. That's reducing your kids to a vegetative state.
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So as the title says. There were some parents who limits their children to about 30min to 1h a day for gaming but there want mentioned about their own habits about spending their own time so I was wondering is playing video games that much worse than watching tv or reading a book if the kid does his homework and cleans his room and stays social with his friends? Any thoughts on this?
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