If anyone is wondering what happened here:

  • I asked a tricky question
  • A majority didn't like that such question was even asked and no debate should be taken
  • It escalated quickly confirming that there is an issue
  • The words I originally used were far from the whole problem, as pathetic things (double standards, witch-hunt, plain lying, informal fallacies, personal attacks, ...) kept coming after I edited.

Moral of the history? We deserve the world we live in.

You like edits? It's sunday and this is still active
PS: to celebrate the witch-hunt, now my BL is empty, now many will need to support their arguments in another way.
The metrics to fill my BL were diverse, I spent months giving away games to leechers, so I tried to fix that on my own with limited success...
CV from russia is not real, you get to high ranks with very few gifts.
I gave away recently 3 non-bundled games, none of them were played yet. What are we doing here?

Should winners that don't play won games be able to enter more GA's?

Technical issues are just goals for coders, a matter of time if you will. The ignorance about this on SteamGifts was unexpected and all over the place.
As a human being in the 21st century, you may be interested and want to learn something useful here https://www.coursera.org/course/cs101
Standford University, for free. You have no time? Even next summer break? I figured.

Also, complexity is not an excuse to deny a problem. SteamGifts is full of bundles, poorly rated games, very few gifters and plenty of us.
After the poll got over 100 votes, I claimed most of you are hoarders and leechers, you got mad and replied deviating the conversation. Everything else followed.
The truth is in the poll and in the comments in many forms and very few facts, I should have forseen that, my fault.
Though, using your very arguments, we should still be in the dark ages, where most of your thoughts, rethoric and ethics belong.

Let's use our time to read and gain some ethics:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger

If you pay attention, anything with several people involved can show patterns, individual behaviours and basically useful data that may explain some things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect#Use_in_politics
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

According to the DSM, I'm probably wrong about the hoarding thing though, the reason it's quite scary as most may suffer something else that is causing it... :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding#Human_hoarding
If you feel any kind of distress frequently, please, go see your primary care physician, and talk to someone else too.
Regardless, everyone should work out, get some sunlight weekly if you can, eat well, have personal projects...
Anything that gets you away from collecting game licenses and projecting hate towards others.

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I do understand the logic of this question. The notion that there are people just filing away games that other people would love to play is a little irritating. But this isn't the way to deal with it. Before you go judging these people, remember that a lot of them have given away a ton of games as well. So to imply they just gobble up free stuff without any consideration is nonsense.

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I said it once and I'll say it again, this website used to be about giving away video-games. This is no longer the case, it's now being overly autistic and collecting imaginary points and being more bothered about what someone else is or isn't playing than it is about giving away video-games.

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+1

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Yes, that is part of what I'm getting.

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And apparently you didn't notice that the guy above refers in fact to you.

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I fully intend to play every game I win here (and those that I buy myself), but how much time I have and mood will decide in what order.

I really don't understand how forcing people to play, on whatever amount you think would suffice, would help anything. If it upsets you now that people aren't playing those games they won soon enough, how would it be any better if they would only play those because it is forced? They certainly would get less enjoyment out of playing when they can't do it on their own terms.

So if anyone would get upset because I won't play my games in the order they want me to play, go ahead and blacklist me so I won't win any of your giveaways.

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When I create a giveaway and want to make sure that the right people win, with a credible interest in the game, I simply pick the right Steam groups. If have a Grand Strategy game to share, I'll offer it to those who are fans of hardcore strategy games.
When or if they'll actually play it at all, is not my concern. And not my business.

And frankly, you can't influence what you win, when you win or if you win at all. And luck shouldn't determine what we have to play when.

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Well, although I can appreciate a..."frustration" shall we call it? with people entering and winning lots of GAs and only playing a very small handful...I don't think there's anything that could or more importantly should be done about it...at least not at the site level.
As some have said, if you want to regulate how (or if) somebody uses a randomly won gift from you, and punish them if they don't do it according to the regulations, then maybe you shouldn't give away many games here-- because you're going to end up disappointed. =) Plus, it's somewhat adversarial to "punish" people for not playing a game within a certain time-frame.
On the other hand, I definitely understand the frustration-- and it works two ways:

  1. You enter a GA for a wishlisted game, maybe in a group with higher odds...you know you'd play the hell out of that game right away because you're so jazzed at the opportunity to win it. Then when you don't win...okay, no worries, happens all the time, but the winner has a backlog of 3,500 games and pretty much never plays the game you coveted. Or farms it for cards and forgets it, but with the intention of "getting back to it" someday.
  2. You give away a cherished game, maybe to a small group or whitelist. Some of the entrants are super-thankful and are dying to play the awesome game you're giving away. The winner thanks you politely, activates it in accordance with the rules, maybe farms the cards, then never launches it again...but presumably with the intention of "getting back to it" someday.
    Neither scenario feels great, but they're both perfectly normal, expected, and even acceptable. It's just the nature of the beast.

Lately I've been prioritizing my won games, moving them near or to the top of my backlog. Sadly, there are some that will never make it for one reason or another. And these days, before I enter a GA, I consider whether I'm willing to move it near the top of my backlog, at the "expense" of other non-won games that I'm itching to play (e.g., The Witcher 2, Telltale's Game of Thrones, The Stanley Parable, etc.)

We all want our games to be won by somebody who really wants to play it, will install it right away and spend hours and hours having great fun with our gift. But the reality, of course, is that's the exception to the rule. All you can do is give away great games, sometimes to targeted groups, and hope that your gift provided some enjoyment to others.

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Should editors be punished for changing the op a ridiculous amount of times?

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:)

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+1 :)
Well, ye, seeing it kinda messes up the whole flow/sense making/poll results :P

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It's been changed to avoid what floods the thread instead of proper discussion.

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lol This completely turns around the point of the thread as well as the poll... closing this and making another one would've been a better choice

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no problem i just win 1 since enroll, i still wonden how someone got win even more he gave how to win easily like that??
but vote for never.

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Don't be down! Unlucky in giveaways - lucky in love ;)

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No

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A question like this coming from someone with 1680 hours spent in Dota2, 819 in CS:GO, 230 in AdVenture Capitalist, 174 in TF2, 72 in CS:S with an average of 2-3 hours spent in the other games makes me think you are trolling. If you are not trolling, maybe you have some really deep lifetime frustrations. Everyone has a choice to either play it or not in the couple of years after winning the game. Hell, I just re-started playing the Warhammer Dawn of War series. So chill out!

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Exactly what i was going to say.

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Cherrypicking, demagogy and plain flame with a sweet end.
But, are you against discussion?

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Against discussion no ... but i'm against topics like these. It's not the first time someone opened this kind of discussion, in this form or other . These kind of topics are not based on something rational or deeply thought before writing.

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None of your business

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xDD +1

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The reasons why no such policy would work have already been mentioned repeatedly (inaccurate measurements, idling, etc.). More interesting, to me, is the moral question: is a person doing something wrong by entering a GA and then not playing the game they win?

I think the answer must clearly be "it depends". If that person develops tendinitis or their computer catches on fire a week after winning, we shant fault them for laying off the videogames for a while. One can imagine many similar cases. Much can happen in life. So apparently we can't say that everyone who doesn't play a won game has done something wrong.

But, you'll probably think, this isn't the ordinary case. Most people are still playing something, just not the thing they won. Let's talk about those people. If they really, honestly plan to play the game but every time they get done with a game something more attractive is available have they done something wrong? Do we really want to say that they should be forced to go against their preferences in gaming?

What about if they try a game with a friend or watch a "let's play" and decide the game they won doesn't look as attractive as they thought. That's very similar to the above case, it's also similar to the case where somebody plays half an hour of something and decides it's really not their thing. Again, should these sort of people be required to go against their preferences in entertaining themselves?

What about collectors? They make no bones about wanting the game to round out their collection. Some people, for example, really like accumulating Steam games that are no longer available. They apparently derive enjoyment from such accumulation. Shall we judge that this is not the proper mode of enjoying given away games?

What if, like many people on here, a winner also contributed as many or more games than she won. In a sense she could view her winnings as a kind of swapping: she's contributed as much as she's taken, she's just gotten games that are preferable to the ones she gave away. But perhaps she does not have a burning desire to play them, they're just things she thinks she might eventually want to try, things she'd rather have than the alternative. Is that unreasonable?

I can go on (and on, and on...). I actually am genuinely curious what you have to say about all this, Geosmin.

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Once I give away a game, it's no longer any concern of mine. They should activate the game on their account, according to the rules of Steamgifts, but otherwise what they do with their life is their business.

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Agreed

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So I could make dozen giveaways for Uriel's Chasm, and force the winners to actually play it?

That's terrible.

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Games, what games? I thought those keys were just there to allow card drops... are you sure we can play them?

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No, definitively.

Ppl may not play games because of time, because finally they didnt like the game, because the difficulty/graphics/music, etc... because they plan to play it later or maybe a new really really cool game was released...

AND..... Some ppl also buy games to support developers. I've bought the bioshocks, and batmans, and a lot of other games and never played them still (no time ) but bought them because I want to play them! so.. should I play before a game worth 1P here just because I won it? I don't think so... I think I have to be able to play when I want and can so I can enjoy it full... and I'm a person that if I know that a game won't like me, then I don't enter and leave it for others... but I undertand yu that some ppl enter GAs that know that will never play them while other ppl could be enjoying them

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I see where you are coming from, but I do disagree with setting a rule in this direction.

See, I won a lot of gifts here, and, if you look at my steam profile, you will see I played only about half of them. I actually feel a bit bad about it, since many of these games could be in the hands of people which would be playing them instead. But I never entered a GA for something I did not want to play, and I do intend to play all of them if "real life" lets me do so.

But look -- I do not want to win a game here, play it for 5 minutes and then forget it forever! The way I like to play games, I like to play ONE game (maybe two) at a time, immerse myself into it, go all the way to its end before starting a new one. If anything, I think my way of playing shows more respect for the gifts than idling all of them just for the cards (which I never did)!

So... playing half of the games to their ends, is it worse than playing all of them to their halves?

And that is the heart of the problem -- it is impossible to correctly measure "how much you are enjoying" the games you won. Even the time tracking Steam offers seems to be very flawed -- I have many games I played to the end which do not show in my profile; for example, I spent hundreds of hours finishing "Fallout 3" and all its DLC, but Steam recorded only 15h for some reason.

So, in summary -- while I do think we should encourage people not to be too greedy (or hoarding), I do not think we should make rules about it.

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How would you regulate/monitor this? This site already has load issues at times these are being fixed by our lovely staff and sgtools to a point and having to have a bunch of suspension checks if that is your proposal would make it worse. Plus people don't all have the same amount of free time. As a kid in college with an average of 23.1 credits per semester, I don't have time to play my games right away. Eventually I get to them but how does one create a timeline that everyone should hold to regardless of their personal situation? The point of this site is to give, win, and build a community. Telling people they have to follow a schedule would decline most if not all of these things. Ultimately this is up to the GA creator's opinion and preference. If this is a personal issue for you try considering making a steam group with those rules and find others who agree and make GAs specifically for that group.

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Well, I can only speak for myself.

I've got a very old rig, PIV@ 2.4, 512MB AGP video card and 1,5GB RAM running xp (some games demand vista or 7 and others demand xp only.....).

Of course I cannot play many of the games I've won or trying to win, but expect to play when I can afford to buy a decent rig, so am I suposed to stop entering giveaways or worse, making giveaways till I get it ?

I don't think so....

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By the time you'll get a decent PC those games will have 80+% discount on steam sale or in Humble Store ;)

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For sure, guess I'm too stupid for buying games when I see that prices are ok :)

Gotta stay put and buy only at that time, prying for those games to be at steam at the time :)

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I personally do not care what peeps do with the games that they win from me :D

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I wonder why :D

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Abit to punishing i guess .
There are games i won that i still havent had the time to get around and play.

I Dislike the Hoarders , ones who just win games for the sake of an Extra number to the 3k+ games they already got ...

Tho i guess thats not against the site rules :)

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They differently should play it, but I understand someone not getting round to playing it a couple years down the line as the busy lives people have these days & also the backcatalogs they are working through

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I have won $1500 worth of games from this site, and have given $600. I may not be interested in every single game, but who really wants the next bad rats?

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We like to hoard games for our retirement phase in life. Todays old people play chess and cards against each other, the current generations will play videogames and watch animes when they get old.

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