Do you like it?
That's why I made a suggestion. If it's massive anyway, and tolerated (=allowed) by mods - why not make it automatic?
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You could add that the winner must also agree on the deletion in order to bypass the mods, through some UI checkbox or something, and perhaps add some waiting time before the deletion is actually carried out, in case the winner changes their opinion for whatever reason
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But why? if user pressed "not received" - they already agreed they won't get the key. Why would they care what happened with GA after that?
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"not received" doesn't mean they agreed they won't get the key, it just means they didn't receive the key and know there isn't anything they can do about it (since the only other option would be to mark "received", which should not be done unless you did actually get the key).
My 2 "not received" are cases where I wasn't able to get a reply from the GA creator (actually, one of them I'm sure, the other one I don't really remember anymore)... Totally ignoring the winner is one thing, totally ignoring the winner and having not the slightest negative consequence from it, that would be just so rude.
So I think lordx88w's suggestion is pretty good. It would actually be quite easy to implement, and would indeed lighten the load on support staff (I don't think there are many tickets where people ask to delete a GA and the winner didn't agree, since people know that will never work).
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There is a risk. What if I make now 10000 giveaways of GTA 5? Only, I don't intend to ever deliver them. I just do them to mess up with people and make them angry? What if a hundred users do the same? Or five hundred, just to laugh at the people thinking they are going to get GTA 5? I think it's a bad idea.
I would prefer like lordx88w said, some kind of UI checkbox, that the winner has to actually press, agreing to deletion, just to unload work for the mods.
(old time users know that every time a new user that created his account 5 minutes ago creates a new giveaway never intending to deliver, it's ALWAYS GTA 5. I don't know why)
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Well, at that extreme, we would be aware of the behavior and would address it. In a less sever circumstance, like Ryzhehvost said, they would lose their giveaway slots and eventually, naturally be unable to continue the practice.
Edit* Also keep in mind new users only get 3 slots off the bat, so that would require a lot of real giveaways being created before that kind of trolling could begin in earnest.
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For the sake of the argument, in order to have 10000 giveaway slots in the first place, you need to have successfully delivered a ton of giveaways prior. So you'll be ruining your record of delivering thousands of keys just to "laugh at the people". Additional UI would overcomplicate the whole process especially for new users who don't quite fully understand the site yet.
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To make 10000 giveaway you need 10000 giveaway slots. You will have to give away a lot just for one case of trolling. On top of it - one can already do it (if they have enough slots), so nothing changes! Also, one can still be reported for such case of trolling, and I'm pretty sure mods can see how many giveaways were deleted, and suspend them. So, it won't get worse than now in any case.
I would prefer however, like lordx88w said, some kind of UI checkbox
There is such checkbox. It's called "Not received". No need to have two checkboxes instead of one
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Speaking as a moderator (TLDR), if the winner and giver both agree, whatever the reason, then I think automating the process would be ok. That's how the flow basically works today, with some additional manual steps.
That being said, I have iffy feelings on the point made in your opening statement. I feel like when I started on SG, the impression was that you were responsible for delivery your gifts. If I didn't have a known, working key, I wouldn't create a giveaway for it. In the event I wasn't sure about the key's validity, I would throw it in a drop key thread here or elsewhere. I felt like that helped build the general trustworthiness of the site as a whole. If you win something, you actually get something. That has changed over the last few years for some reason.
Now, the "allow to delete" mantra is in my opinion overly prevalent, to the point that some people add it to every giveaway, even when there's 0% chance the key won't work. As I said above, agreement from both parties to delete is all that we require, but I feel seeing that everywhere erodes the trust of knowing you'll get what you win. As a new user, I expected a game when I won, and trusted the site/user would deliver. Now, it sometimes seems like a crapshoot that maybe I might get a chance of getting something I win, even though in my experience, I think I've ever only ran into one instance of this happening.
That doesn't feel right to me, but I don't think there's much to be done about it, unless we decide to disallow deletions like this. We allow the giveaways to be deleted because real mistakes happen, keys can be unknowingly revoked, etc., but I don't really see what the difference is, other than how it appears on your profile?
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I'm totally agree with you, but something needs to be done with this infestation of "allow to delete" messages. And there is only two things that can be done - disallow giveaway deletions completely, or, if it's allowed - make it automatic. I can't see a difference between "not received" in profile and removed giveaway, but it seems many people here has some sort of OCD that make it different for them. At least last time I asked - people gave no other valid reasons to delete giveaway than just "I don't like to have "not received".
As per "if the winner and giver both agree" - I consider that "not received" should be considered agreement to delete GA. Since, when you press "not received" - you already agree that you won't receive the game, so GA deletion should not be the problem. If, for some reason, winner believes rules were violated (for example, there was no key at all and it was a troll giveaway) - they should make a support ticket instead, same as they should do now, actually.
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Automated would work (so that the giveaway winner gets a notification asking to approve the removal of the giveaway and when he agrees there is no manual (moderator) action necessary. I still think it is important that the winner has to agree to the process.
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I don't see how it's important, the winner didn't receive the game, and therefore marked as "Not received', why would they care if the giveaway appears on the creator's profile or gets deleted? Additional notifications for the deletion process would overcomplicate things imo.
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Once again, when you press "Not received" - you already agree. If you don't agree - create a support ticket instead.
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While I don't mind descriptions of GAs, or the extra step of typing out a comment that I agree when a deletion is actually required, automating the process would certainly help alleviate tickets, and free up support time for more important tickets. I don't think there's any abuse you're missing, people can already create 3 fake giveaways when they register, and they would get suspended/lose their slots. It would be the same except the fake GAs won't show up on their profile once they delete them (will show up for support still).
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So, you all probably have see those "key is old, please allow me to delete GA if something go wrong" descriptions. I honestly dislike the idea, people grown up should have a little bit of responsibility. But my opinion does not matter. What matters though - that is adds extra work to moderators (and they are already overloaded), and not even convenient for winners/givers. So, If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. My suggestion is to allow giveaway creator to delete the giveaway that was marked as "Not received", without moderators approval, same as one can remove it when it's still running. Of course, it should reduce number of giveaway slots, same as removing a running one does (to prevent abuse). I can see following pros and cons:
Pros:
Cons
What do you think? Am I missing something here, and it will actually give way to some kind of abuse? Of maybe you just love those "pls allow to delete" messages and will miss them a lot? Please tell!
UPD. Ok, I forgot why I hate SG. People here are mostly stupid. NO, THERE IS NO NEED FOR EXTRA CHECKBOX. I guess cg can see this suggestion in closed thread too. I can't stand reading this flow of stupidity anymore.
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