Fancy Levels are dangerously low!
Can we reach 125 Fancyness before time runs out?!
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The event has ended!
Without reaching even 65% Fancyness, we've failed to attract the unbundled giveaway to this thread, and it has has relocated elsewhere. :(

~⁰ ・✧ Bundle Train! ✧ ・゚ ~
I hope you find the narrative entertaining, but there's certainly no obligation to read through it. :)
Enjoy the train!

In the spirit of the event, if you participate in the bundle train, additional Steampunk images in this thread would be welcomed. :)

The original thread post has been moved to the first reply of this thread. If you find you're blacklisted, and don't know why, you should take a quick look there!

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Should people read giveaway descriptions as a show of respect for the giveaway creator?

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Well... duh? That's pretty intuitive. Quite rude not to.
It's nice, and definitely respectful, but giveaways are the main draw here, even among "good-conduct" groups.
It's cool if they do, but it doesn't really bother me.
Meh. I have a potato. It is a lovely potato.
Please don't ask things of me, I'm just here for games.
I just don't have time to read descriptions before entering- or time to play the games I win! Mm, trading cards.
I don't speak English [well], and don't feel it's worth learning bettter just to be able to read giveaway descriptions on SG.
Why would I care who does what with my giveaways? I am a generous loot fairy OR CV exploiter, so it doesn't bother me!
My name is Tetony. I was in the minority that commented, but managed to win the game. You're welcome, Sooth.
I am a dragon, I care not for your silly social obligations, whoosh. now there's fire. (I'll comment, but I don't like being pressured into it!)

I remember that GA...I think I commented, but now I'm trying to find it to look it up!
[Edit: yes I did. I feel better now. I certainly read all group GA descriptions (or God forbid whitelist descriptions)...I may not read every word of some public GAs.

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You've got a cute little 'c' tagged on you, so yes you did. ~.^

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Hopefully this hasn't been posted yet but I thought this was pretty cool.

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I always read descriptions and leave comments if I do enter, but can I be on your blacklist anyways?

edit: i don't know if adding a fancy animal will hurt or help my chances so

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I have the same point of you. Read the description of the GA is something like a few sec or if longer somethinfg like 1 min. So if someone have time to go to GA than should read what author otherwise it's only ignoration and greed. But with put comment in my opinion if you don't have anything worth to write than don't write anything, especially automat answer like thx....

Have a nice day ;)

8 years ago
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I think I promised you a cat somewhere. Have a fancy one! Btw, I considered not adding any image just for the -2, but there's quite a lot of those comments already :P

I respect your decision, it's your money you're spending to make GAs after all. I don't intend to ever blacklist anyone just because they didn't read descriptions, mostly because I can't be bothered to write meaningful descriptions for most of my giveaways.

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Well, it's not like I'm permanently blacklisting anyone [other than the people in this thread that actively asked for it o.O]. It was structured the same as a 'temporary whitelist inclusion for an event', just in reverse.
Or, like I put it elsewhere: 'I explicitly asked for a comment in return for you entering that specific giveaway. You agreed by entering, so I'm just going to wait for that comment you promised me, for a bit.'

It's pretty amazing- though thankfully a very tiny minority- the users who pitched fits over agreeing to the 'entry fee' but then being called up to it :P

And really, that's the benefit of this whole thread, figuring out which people just passed over the description without ill intent, and those who are... hrrm, less than ideal individuals :P

Since I'm not psychic, there's no way I could have picked through and found which people were deliberate asshats otherwise, and it's been made pretty clear over several giveaways that they neither read descriptions nor are willing to comment [even to say thank you]. So trying to poke them about it even more through giveaways wouldn't do a thing, since they hadn't read the previous ones. :X

And, y'know, some of the people I blacklisted over it took the time to give an explanation. Regardless of how justifiable it is, or is not, I appreciate them taking the time, on top of reading this thread and posting the image I asked for.
And, being able to clearly read the description of this thread, to post an image- that shows me they can take the time to read.

Basically, this thread was never meant to punish anyone [and even with that perspective, it wouldn't be 'punishment for those that didn't listen', but 'rewarding those that did', and only the most selfish individuals would see it otherwise], but to filter out the people that can't be bothered to comment at any point.

So, you can easily sum up the thread like this:
It's a blacklist opt-out thread :'P
"Hey, do you want to be on my blacklist?"
"Not particularly?"
"Cool, I didn't want you there either!"

But, y'know, I'm pretty obliging. If someone says "YES. YES DAMMIT, GIVE ME," I guess I can let them leech a spot off me. 0:)

Ah, in other words: I'm not blacklisting for not reading descriptions,
With this single event, I'm trying to snap people who do care to a bit more attention on the matter, and I'm blacklisting people for not giving a damn after the fact.
The initial blacklist can't count as a blacklist, since anyone has been able to get off it at their own discretion. Rather, it's like I whitelisted most SG users and then did a 'post to enter my whitelist' event. :P
Sure, you couldn't enter the related giveaways until you entered, but then, that's how those things work, right?

The entitlement of the small handful of negative commenters is incredible. :X

And, y'know, being able to pick apart those, and the more positive-minded users?
That'd've already made this thread worthwhile..

..if all these great fancy pictures didn't already do that :'D

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What a long reply O: I think I get what you're doing here, it's kind of like a PSA + "redemption" thread.

I'm blacklisting people for not giving a damn after the fact.

But from what I'm understanding, you're still going to blacklist for repeat offenders if they continue not to read descriptions right? It's just this time round (and possibly previous times) that get a chance to explain themselves. And even though you say that the blacklisting isn't permanent, I guess at some point some people might make you so sad that you don't see the point in giving them the benefit of the doubt anymore, because you evidently do care about the comments and who is getting your games (and rightfully so, it's your giveaway after all.)

I hope my comment doesn't come off as offensive or anything negative. :/ I'm more of a "if I notice you making meaningful comments regularly you get a blue heart" than a "if you don't comment no giveaways for you" kind of person. It's disappointing, but I don't like to exclude them just because of that - you never know what reason they might have. Most of the time when I find a giveaway creator has requested for specific comments, if it's not convenient for me to comment, I either leave the tab open until I find some time, or close the tab and regret when I can't find it later. :P

Btw, seems like you're using the tagging function liberally. I'm kinda curious about what tag you have for me :P

And slightly off-topic, but not very sure about what to do about those in my whitelist that don't comment on any of my giveaways. :/ Especially those that I've won a game from. I whitelisted them as my way of "giving back", but not sure if they are taking it for granted. O: My whitelist only giveaways are probably some of the best games I've given away, and I like to think I write a meaningful / interesting enough description to warrant a reply. I mean they won't go on my blacklist, but perhaps I should change my whitelist requirements...

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you're still going to blacklist for repeat offenders if they continue not to read descriptions right?
No, but now that they're tagged I'll be keeping a closer eye on them, which means if I notice them with a leechy non-contributing attitude overall, I may eventually end up blacklisting them, just to make sure my giveaways go toward people whose approach to the site is more respectfully-minded.
At the moment, I don't have any plans to do much of anything regarding giveaway entry/winning behaviors, my blacklist is still currently dedicated only to bigots, personal attackers, so forth.
Really waiting to see what the results of this PSA are. If I go from a '20% of people pay attention' to a '60% of people do', that may even be enough.
Just sucks when the dominant majority appears to have a dismissive, or even outright selfish attitude toward giveaways.

My giveaways are certainly not the most notable, but that doesn't mean I especially want to support those kind of attitudes, either.


I don't care about comments, I care about people paying attention. Asking for a comment this time [Keeping in mind this thread is just an extended way of asking for the same comment I originally asked for] is just a mechanism to see IF people are paying attention. It's certainly not an approach I was planning on making frequent repeats of.
I could as easily start permanently blacklisting anyone that doesn't say 'thank you' on a win, but a: that doesn't relate at all to if they've read or not, and b: sets a terrible framework of coercing something that should be given freely when given.

So really, something casual like this is the best approach- basically, anyone still on my blacklist afterward is either going to eventually work their way off with a nifty comment on someone else's giveaway [showing they do read, at least at times], or they're going to remain on my blacklist as a recognition that they basically never read anyone's giveaways at all-

So yes, I'm opposed to the "enter giveaways using a script, rather than actually clicking and opening the giveaways to read the description first"- but I've made that viewpoint clear multiple times over the past few months, so it's not like my perspective on that is new news.

As I've mentioned so many times in this thread, I don't care about comments, it's NOT related directly to this single giveaway, it's NOT an arbitrary demand for obliging certain requirements.
It's the fact that so many of the people involved haven't shown any courtesy toward anyone for months, that I've seen, and by poking at the matter I can see which ones CAN show courtesy [show even a minimum amount here, that's good enough- I don't want to make any assumptions without clear validation].
Flip side, a few people have been complete selfish asshats about the matter, and those are the ones actually getting filtered out.

By the end of it, the people remaining will have better odds on my future giveaways because of the people being filtered out- so no, I don't in any way view a 'check in and let me know you're a living person' as a penalty. o.O;


As far as your tags, suffice it to say I would have made an exception for you, had you entered and not posted in the giveaway. :)
(Clarifying past that would involve elaborating on my complex tagging structure :'P)

And yeah. I was far too liberal with my whitelist use in the past, which is why I've primarily switched to using PosTho as a whitelist.

Eventually I want to be able to freely use my whitelist again, knowing everyone on there is 'legit', and things like this- where I can filter out the 14 whitelistees that both didn't comment here, and haven't made notable comments over the past half-year- helps speed up the whitelist clearing.
Likewise, one person from my whitelist entered and didn't comment, but he'd made contributive comments over the past few months, and was an easy exception to the whitelist removal.
Meanwhile, the 5 whitelistees that did comment, all had tags indicating they did so regularly.

So basically, my suspicion that the same people that were being dismissive were also never reading, seems pretty well validated.
That doesn't mean any of them went straight to blacklist because, again, this is not about punishment, but filtering and social commentary.

In the case of my whitelistees, it's a way of making up for my previous liberal application of the whitelist, so that in the future the remaining people on there could get better giveaway odds.


A lot of people seem to take offense at me trying to give respectful people better odds- then again, basically all of said people were already on my blacklist for attacking people or stating they were deliberately leeching [versus due to personal circumstances], already. :'P

I recently started a one-off thank you group- when you win any game from it, you get removed from it. That's my current approach to "I want to say thank you, but I'm not entirely sure yet if you're a reliable whitelist inclusion".
Though, several whitelistees are in that group, just because I want to say thank you to them on top of whitelist giveaways. :)

Unfortunately, that seems to be one of the most preferential approaches because, as you can see in this thread, if you take any other approach to whitelist management [other than wiping it completely and starting over] you tend to get judgmental and even offensive remarks on it.

I mean, sure, exclusively from terrible people who've as a rule made asshats of themselves numerous times before, but still :P

Too many entitled people get obsessed with punishment and people being obligated toward them- to include them, to respond to them, and so forth- when on my side, it's just simple, non-personal organization of the elements involved.

Tl;dr version, people are selfish and rude and egotistical, and just can't grasp that it ISN'T about them, and that they DON'T have a right to someone else's gifts.

So yeah, filtering out even more of those ugly people? Always a plus.
Past that, I don't much mind- if you can make a respectful comment in that giveaway, or make a respectful comment here, or make a respectful comment bloody anywhere, that's basically good enough.
If you can go above and beyond that? That's when I actually take interest in you.

If you want to attack me over it? That's when I take interest in you, but only for the split moment it takes me to retag you as a permanent blacklist inclusion. :P

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For reading all that you get a cookie! Enjoy!

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Damn it, Sooth! For making me feel guilty because my reply is far from half as long as yours. (The cookie is still mine though :P) You've obviously explained your intentions and thoughts well enough, I don't have anything else constructive to say regarding that. There will always be people who aren't happy because what they get is not as desirable as what they think they ought to get (and many times it's not as much as they deserve to get anyway). Hope you get a good response from this then.

But otherwise, I like your idea of the one-off group, and if I may steal that idea, I think I'll apply that rule for whitelistees that are there solely because I've won something from them. Otherwise the list is only going to get bigger and defeats my original purpose of giving special people better odds of winning.

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I really think everyone should say "thank you" when they win.
I mostly do not comment on GAs, I've been here for about 3 months and I guess I noticed on my own GAs that most don't comment.

I always read the description, if any, and follow the "instructions" if I can...

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Delivery of some steampunk dear Sir, could you sign over here and here so that we know you received them? Have a nice day.

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It's sad, really. I mean, it's not like you're asking them to draw a portrait of you for entering your giveaway, it's as simple as writing a comment.
I guess I'll never understand why it is so hard for some people to leave a comment.

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Well, as I've mentioned, it wasn't even a punishment.
If they agreed to leaving me a comment (by entering) then they could always leave it here, instead, if for whatever reason they couldn't before.
I ask for an image if they want to not call themselves out, but they can leave any comment, same as the first time around.

It's not like I forced them to join the giveaway, or like I'm asking anything extra because they didn't read the first time around.

Okay, no, scratch that. They can't leave a comment that curses me out and demands to be left on my blacklist, and get off it. I'm respectful of their wishes- I'll let them stay on it if they really want to. :X

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What can I say.... I'm not a commenting type of person. SO i know why I'm the bad man.

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Oh, I guess I'll owl forgive you!

:D

You're on your own for the rest of those animal puns :X

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It sounds purrrrfect :) On the otter side I feel sad for making you sad ;(

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Oh, don't worry, it's not like it's something I was going to doggedly badger you about. It really wasn't a big deal!
I was mostly trying to ferret out the more squirrlely members, everyone else that got blacklisted but made a point of commenting here is still the bee's knees to me. :)
Anyway, I figure we'll share a pint, maybe paws to wolf down some food, and then everything'll be owl right!

Does that scenario earn your seal of approval? :)

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Man, I can feel how pissed you are.
You shouldn't. Cause you're a god. The god of Positive Thoughts.
And a god shall not be touched by the appalling behavior of petty sloths.

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I wasn't even remotely irked when I wrote this thread :'(
I thought it'd make for an amusing, light-hearted approach to the matter, but I think too many people are taking it too seriously :X
Though, in fairness, the ones that took it the most serious were people who didn't bother reading the thread properly, which is rather amusing, in the context of the topic of not-reading. :P

Well, them and known leechers and harassers who are just looking for another excuse to bitch about blacklists. :X

Thankfully, for the most part people seem to have, at least mostly, understood that nothing too serious was meant by the topic. :)

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Actually, I'd be pissed. Beside your playful GA descriptions, I've read some nice little poems of yours in place of the obligatory thank you. You put a lot of effort into SG and if it were real life, I can picture you with your arms full of neatly packed presents singing Ho Ho Ho!, and very few bothering to just salute you.
Thanks for still dancing on rainbows !

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To that I offer,
this simple display of thanks-
A haiku for you!

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Smooth

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Only animals? What about flowers? Dandylions maybe?

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hmm interesting topic. no pic because too many people already posted a few, and -2 was so tempting too... i couldnt resist ^^

i do read most, if not all giveaway descriptions. if i dont reply it doesnt mean i havent read it, it just means i havent found its description interesting enough to respond to it though. If i dont respond its either that or GA creator wants us to dance for him/her by making a silly requests (do this this and that or else... ) and that is something i was never such a huge fan of :)

Dont get me wrong, im not saying people arent allowed to put requests in their GA descriptions (as silly as some of those requests might be), and how to use their blacklist (god knows im guilty of that, my BL has quite a few people and its growing :P). its their GA we are talking about afterall so i dont feel like i should tell them what to do with it, but im also allowed to have my own opinion on the matter, and, as i said im not a huge fan of it :P

I dont really like it when people combine giveaways + threats into one thing, as imo, those 2 dont really mix well together. I guess how after a few years here ive seen like 2500 different reasons why someone is going to blacklist you if you dont do exactly what he/she asked you to do And boy, it does get tiring after a while.

im not really talking about you in particular here though, its just a general opinion ive formed over years, so its nothing personal really :P

8 years ago
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Have not boarded the train yet, because I'm out of points, but have a courtesy bump :)

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Fancy turtle will bump this thread now, in honor of those who've been slow to notice the train. :)

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No fancyness (that's not a word!) for you today, browsing from my phone.

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It's a word!
It's a very fancy word, so you may just not have heard of it, if you've not been keeping properly fancy company! =O

Come, we shall embrace you in our fancyness, until you understand the truth of it!

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Bump!

well is is somewhat steampunk :))

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Just here to bump :-)

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bump for not enough fancyness ;)

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..b..u...m..p..

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