Should people read giveaway descriptions as a show of respect for the giveaway creator?
If there is a description on the giveaway I will read it. But lot of them tend to say 'Don't say thanks unless you win it'.
I like the ones where the person asks for say some music ideas or your first game you played stuff like that.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mlswygjri1uujz/Steampunk-animals2.jpg?dl=0
I don't know how to post a picture, hopefully this will suffice.
Note to self: read descriptions slower.
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Just cut and paste:
:)
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Like this?
Edit: Nice! Thanks for the lesson!
Re-Edit: No picture is showing, did I do something wrong?
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No picture is showing (just a box with a X), did I do something wrong?
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Happens whenever you omit the http://, and sometimes for secure links.
But I've tried changing the https to http, and removing the dl=0, but neither is fixing it >_<
Looks like you're actually using a Dropbox redirect URL. Here's the correct one:
https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAShopG9iqTgjmw8-aLhpqT-1HI8kTB3JfDl-lHrSNvLg/12/386016724/jpeg/32x32/3/1456182000/0/2/Steampunk-animals2.jpg/ENr3uIkDGL4fIAcoBw/1_Q9b-9DbS-ycWUDIXVK4f2-G_pnLy8TFtox2zibfiM?size_mode=3&size=1024x768
It'll default to download, but it'll work right when attached. :)
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Oh my gosh! I so can't believe this hasn't been posted here somewhere...
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You keep linking to gallery/display pages, not the actual images.
So the site is trying to attach a webpage, rather than an image.
Typically, right-click and 'view image' or 'copy image location' works, though in the case of dropbox, you need to do a 'view image info' and grab the url from that.
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Thanks for the first lesson.
Lesson 2: How can I be able to make notes in SG about different users in my WL or BL?
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SG++ greasemonkey script add-on.
I believe this is the correct thread for it: http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/7euKx/steamgifts-beta-updated-041-live
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so bad, I'm only level 4, but I still have a punk (not steam :( ) animal in stock: the Chinese crested dog !!
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I always try to comment when someone is nice enough to spend money for a giveaway unless the description specifically asks not to
And if there's a description on a giveaway I'm entering I make it a point to always read it. I don't always put a description on my GAs myself, but if someone took the time to write one the least I can do is read it.
Anyways, here's your requested picture :-)
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Other pictures for your enjoyment :-)
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Here's some great steampunk animal pictures from the Leviathan series by Scott Westerfeld. For those who haven't heard of it, it's a young adult trilogy set in an alternate history during WW 1 where the countries allied with England have discovered how to alter DNA and have created many "fabricated" creatures to aid in their everyday lives and the war effort. The Germans and their allies went the traditional Steampunk route and have steam-powered units covered in iron plating. Very enjoyable and a quick read.
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Woot i missed a comment?
maybe i made a comment but forgot to post it =/
i always read description and do what giver want o_O
i'm realy sorry for this and have no problem to call out myself
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I was so tempted to make an exception for you, due to my experiences with you in your generous birthday group, but I kinda wanted to learn more about you from your feedback on this.
Thanks for affirming my positive expectations of you :)
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PHEW
i checked your account and i only entered 1 (ONE) Giveaway of you.^^ Damn here a second pic =)
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I mostly do bundled giveaways, you probably didn't see anything else you liked :'(
In fact, doesn't that mean you have a 100% no-comment rate? >:)
..oh, wait, now that you left that cute tumbling ball of fluff for me, I guess you've got a 100% comment rate, mm?
Thanks for putting in that extra effort :)
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Voted "Well... duh? That's pretty intuitive. Quite rude not to." :)
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I entered some 50+ giveaways any time I pop on SG. I can't leave a comment for all of them, and with no real standard to their descriptions or the comments, it is hard to figure out what should be responded to. I do however, have a policy of responding to anything I win, and reading any from the groups I am in (if it doesn't appear to be copy + paste).
That said I still manage to get blacklisted (And am never told why).
And in regards to pics: I can never remember how to do it across sites, and don't have a library of pics to post.
And taking random pictures from a search engine tends to be dubious, from what I know of artists. They hate when their pics aren't credited.
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Well, I read descriptions for all giveaways unless they: promote something, are just game description or consist of wall of texts. If it's one of the first two, I just glance them down. (I always read the first and last paragraph and if they interest me, I read the rest.) If it's the last one, I just skip the giveaway that time and don't enter.
I'll do that skipping for the wall of text not just for the giveaway descriptions but also for discussions. Whereas my native language is not English, these long texts just tire me when I read them. (Like this topic, I delay the reading, If I come across them later in my free time I prefer doing it that time.) This one can look like it is beside the question but if we think forum giveaways and trains it is not actually.
I, personally, am here for nice people. I like them, and I want to make them happy. And I'm doing that via giving games because it's in accordance with the website's aim. I don't force people to comment or doing other things on my giveaways but I appreciate all comments if any. Like the reason why I prefer spending my time here rather than other websites, I prefer to give my games to nice people, according to my point of view.
As myself, I am spending a lot of time with here, reading a lot of comments but not replying much. (Because sometimes I don't have the proper gifs/images/comments to write or I don't feel like writing, just want to read at the moment.) I have to consider other people as they read my descriptions, comments etc. If I do a test to learn if they do really, like OP's, well in this way I can only find out those ones who read, not those ones who doesn't. Like I said, they might read but don't want to reply at the moment. I also understand people who don't want "thank you" comments in their giveaways to not to be disturbed but if someone thinks s/he also is disturbed by a thank you from the winner, s/he will end up in my blacklist.
Like I've said before, I don't force them by saying "Do this or I'll blacklist them." thing. I'll leave them to their own devices. They must do what they want to do of their own volition. But If they treat misbehaviors I'll put them in my blacklist or remove them from my whitelist. I consider not thanking to somebody who is not obligated to do a favor or ignoring the giveaway creator as bad behaviors. Someone said above, if willing to get a thank you will end up with putting you in a blacklist, this is a bad behavior. I once wanted to remind a guy who is winner of one of my AAA giveaways, and I've added him on steam to do that. Beside he didn't accept my invite for 2 days (he was online many times) and replied my question "Didn't you forget something?" as: "I've already checked it as received, what else do you want from me?" I mean these are related to common courtesy, if someone acts against them and insists on doing them, well this means they don't do them by mistake, this is their choice. And I don't prefer to make them happy, I ignore them, and this will be my choice.
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Thank you for taking the time to write that- I know how exhausting reading and writing that much can be, if it doesn't come easy to you.
And, I agree. Mistakes and differences in perspective are one thing, but when people point out they deliberately don't want to be courteous or respectful, then that's when you need to give up on them- if only for the sake of being able to pay more attention to the people who ARE respectful to you. :X
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i usually read them, but sometimes i'm controlling my desktop remotely using my phone and don't actually see the description. i stop reading if it's "i'm trying to promote my greenlight / youtube / etc." even with reading the description that doesn't necessarily mean i'll comment though.
if it asks me to comment i'll probably do that right after entering, as long as it's not going to take a lot of effort. suggest a favorite thing where i like that type of thing? sure! post an animated gif which isn't something i collect? nope, moving on but thanks.
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Everyone is entitled to set their own "rules" of a giveaway like asking for a gif or joke or whatever. I'll often leave a comment and obviously always thank if I win, but I use SG from my phone 90% of the time, and to be honest it's more difficult and time consuming to find and post gifs etc. Not to mention the text is too small to read unless I zoom in to each giveaway detail. In the past when I've noticed those requests I'll enter the giveaway and try to remember to visit again from my PC later to update with something fun. But it doesn't always happen. But the giveaway creator's are giving generously and I appreciate that and respect that it's their decision if they choose to blacklist people for not commenting.
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The request was, quote:
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You all seemed to like this the last time I put it up :)
Please leave a comment on this one, thank you.
(Whitelisters not commenting may be removed :( )
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This topic has nothing to do with commenting, or special giveaway rules, or blacklisting conditions.
It has to do with a significant number of users making a point of not reading giveaways, not commenting on them, not commenting thanks following a win- on every single giveaway they enter.
You may or may not have that habit. But you fairly clearly didn't read, or chose not to oblige, the very visible request on my giveaway.
I could blacklist for that, but that's not something I'm comfortable doing at this point, especially since I have no grounds to assume it's anything but a simple, single act of inattention or disregard.
But you can't really justify it in the manner you just did, either- none of that has any bearing on the topic at hand.
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Like I already said above, unless I specifically zoom in on my phone to read the description, it's very easy to miss requests in the text. Sometimes I make more effort to zoom and check comments, sometimes I don't.
But it's ok, I respect your choice.
I found myself on your blacklist when I read this thread - maybe you were more comfortable at that time ;-)
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I feel like a lot is being lost in translation, here, on both sides. :/
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Really? I understand your original giveaway didn't make special requests, other than to leave a comment. And I guess I must have not left a comment, because I ended up on your blacklist. Anyway, no worries ;-)
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I'm.. confused.
The blacklist isn't a penalty, it's just a checkmark to see if you'd read this thread.
You can get off the blacklist very easily by doing so.
If you're having trouble understanding it, let me know?
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Really? Because.. It kinda seems like the blacklist is a penalty. You put a bunch of people on your blacklist so they can't join your giveaways. That's the penalty. We can get ourselves off your blacklist by posting fancy animals in this thread. Yes, I get it. Yes, I understand that I haven't posted an animal, fancy or otherwise, in this thread. Yes, I'm ok with being on your blacklist if you think I should be there.
I was just posting my thoughts so you could understand one possible reason why some people don't comment on giveaways, even if a description specifically asks them too. It's not that I read it and then thought "nah screw that, I'm just gonna enter and not comment just to spite him". I don't think most people are that rude. For me it's a case of using SG on a small screen while I'm commuting on a busy train, and just quickly entering some giveaways - often not even noticing a description.
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I get where you are coming from, sometimes I use my crappy iPhone 4gs to load SG and enter GAs... tiny screen... slow processor.. trying to add a gif in the process is like pulling teeth from a shark with nothing but needle nose pliers while bleeding XD
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Yeah, man. This Alcatel phone is just the worst. Poor design, low memory - various problems including the keyboard disappearing while typing sometimes. But it's dirt cheap! :-)
Hopefully getting a better phone next month!
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You agreed to post a comment by entering the giveaway (whether you read that or not). You didn't. I want my comment ( ;P )- though moreso, I want validation that you took the time to read this thread. This shows me you CAN take the time, and thus the last giveaway can reasonably be considered an exception of conduct.
The image is a facet of that, but also an easy way to post without calling yourself out, which was me showing basic minimum respect to the people involved. The image itself isn't necessarily mandatory, much as the rules of the event suggest by having a no-image rule.
Moreover, how is a 'post to get access to my giveaways' a penalty? The initial bit isn't a penalty, because it's my right to determine who gets my games in the first place. By your reasoning, anyone who missed an event is penalized, and anyone who isn't on someone's whitelist is penalized.
You also seem to think the point of the blacklisting was to blacklist, rather than to act as an event ticket of sorts.
Ergo, none of what you're saying makes any sense.
In any case, you didn't give an explanation why you couldn't post an image, so I could make an exception for you.
Instead, you seem to just be making excuses.
Every time I try to understand your perspective, you respond with what seems a dismissive "nono, I disregard your perspective, just leave me on your blacklist, it's better that way".
Even now, I'm still not entirely sure if you're being rude, or just contrary, or just having translation issues, since English doesn't seem to be your first language.
By this point, if your posts hadn't been so confusing and dismissive, and if you'd approached me straight-on rather than with all this round-about conversation, you'd certainly have been removed from the blacklist by now, image or not- namely, since it was supposed to be darn easy to get off, in the first place. -.-
Again, not a penalty, even if you seem to be- intentionally or not- trying to force it into being one :P
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Definitely didn't intend to come off as rude, apologies if that's how I sounded. I was just explaining why I didn't notice the original request inside the GA, I thought I had explained it simply enough but sorry if it confused matters even further.
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I figured it was just a communication error, but with :glances down: so many people intentionally trying to be antagonistic, I wanted to make sure that I was understanding the situation correctly.
My apologies for any stress. :)
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I don't know how anybody could look at your responses and think your English skills are not superb. Your composition and comprehension skills are phenomenal, especially if you're not a native speaker.
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:glances up: not sure how anybody can translate a compliment as antagonistic
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I haven't been here for a while, I got a bit grumpy and stuff. Mostly I was wondering why there were so many Dungelot giveaways. I don't think I'm blacklisted because I don't think I saw the giveaway and also I generally read descriptions and follow instructions. But here is a picture of a fancy animal that I made myself with my own hands and a Wacom tablet...
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From what I've been able to gather, the developers are giving a lot of keys out for people for people to distribute. I know there are promotional copies of the game as well, which spit out a key for every 5 levels you complete of the game- it's meant for twitch feeds, but if that can in any way be abused, that could also be a factor in accounting for the giveaways.
Most, however, claim they're keys given directly by the developer for distribution, so it seems the developer is just trying really hard to get word out. :)
And nuuu, you're fantastic. :)
As is that unicorn =O
3 points for Gryffindor!
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Well that explains at least some stuff. Have another unicorn picture that I made due to all the requests for 'My Little Pony' artwork on my art site thingy until people realised I was only ever going to take the piss. (This one by the way took a long time even though it is crap because although I'm good with scribbling a lot with different colours I found the gradient tool and working with layers really hard.)
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Please add me to a list "Never getting off blacklist"
Thank you.
Such a petty reason to blacklist people.
Regifters, ok.
Giving free games and misleading, ok.
emm...
thats pretty much it. dont see any other reason to blacklist someone.
You want people to read?
post a discussion like you did here, I myself use a tool to enter giveaways so I dont open each and every one of them to enter, meaning I dont even see the descrition page, am i a bad person? well by your standarts apperantly I am.
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I don't mind if people don't say thank you, but is it really that hard to even look at a giveaway if somebody has taken the trouble to make it?
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if you consider making a giveaway a trouble, yes you do need to blacklist people not reading description and posting gifs of cats.
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Well, we're in a group together that has rules on this kind of thing. Do I have permission to ask to blacklist you?
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if you see it neccesary sure.
Regarding groups I do leave a thank you note, or some other note when i feel like it, but I dont see it as a must do/receive from other people.
I dont seek thank you on my giveaways, if you leave one, good for you. you dont? so? moving on to next giveaway
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I've never required for people to thank me or people not to thank me or cat gifs or anything else.
But I try and make nice giveaways and the games don't simply appear out of thin air so yes I do consider it a trouble. If you think the giveaways are so worthless not to even look at them then I do think I have an issue.
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I dont think the giveaways are worthless, on the contrary its amazing such site exist, and im hooked by it (As you can see from my profile).
But from personal experience I am not always enter a giveaway page to enter it.
Ether I use a plugin or I use the steamgift app when im not near a computer.
I do enter afterwards to say thank you if I won, if there is some description I probably will read it when i win, and again, personal aproach to giveaways, I might be wrong using tools to make it easier to enter.
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Beside it is being trouble (Yes, purchasing something is of course a trouble itself.) it is also a thoughtful behavior. And they have a right to want to not being ignored at least, as matter of courtesy.
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I will admit I'm terrible at giveaway comments, though mostly in the public stuff. Private or group giveaways, I tend to read and comment, often trying to post more than a simple thanks (though there are times my imagination fails and I leave little more than guff), but when I'm just jumping through some publics before bed, I'm less likely to leave a comment unless I find a win notice pops up afterwards.
I'm also one of those terrible people that actually use a script to hide most comments in giveaways, simply because I dislike a wall of thanks. I hate boring thanks, and me leaving it is just as bad. I'm just going to ignore most of the comments in my own stuff unless it is something that stands out.
Since I'll admit I appear to have failed you in some way through my own uncaring attitude when it comes to comments, I shall try to leave some interesting animal GIFs as requested.
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And here is the cutest ****er you will see today
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You've quite missed the point entirely, and your assertions are inaccurate.
The matter has been discussed at length by this point, if you're interested enough to read up.
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From one of my favorite games. :X
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My (Second) Favorite Animal. Behind Sheep of course =D
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Nothing against you, but I feel Steamgifts has become battleground for elitists recently.
- not saying thank you, blacklist
- leaving a thank you in a comment of GA, blacklist
- ratio too low, blacklist
- disagreement, blacklist
- trolling, blacklist
- VAC, blacklist
- on a whim, blacklist
etc etc
And here comes the question, while blacklisting is a 'freedom of speech' blah blah blah, do you feel the need to announce to whole SG world about why you blacklist people?
Seems to me it's people pushing their ego around. Perhaps insecurity in real life? Getting neglected by parents? No happiness in family? Bullied in CS: GO or dota or other online games? Breaking up with spouse/gf/bf?
Wielding some powers seems so great, doesn't it?
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I don't really approve of OPs experiment, but you know what I think is a bigger problem round here lately? People who don't make giveaways moaning about how other people should make giveaways. And I'm not talking about people who can't afford to make giveaways, I'm talking about for instance people who own many more games than me and OP put together and could clearly make the occasional giveaway if they wanted.
Giving away games isn't power. Or else you would give away all those games in your inventory in exchange for all the power rather than trading for anything else. But you don't because it's just giving stuff away and it's OK because people here aren't obliged to make giveaways or make giveaways for everyone if they do.
Is withholding giveaways from certain people power?
People here make giveaways for groups that other people aren't in, people make giveaways for levels that other people aren't at, people make giveaways for everyone except that one guy they blacklisted and some people just don't make giveaways because they feel they need all the games for themselves.
It's all just exclusion. If one of those things is abuse of power then all of them are. But frankly I'd say nobody is abusing a power that doesn't exist.
Nobody is unfairly missing out on the free stuff that they are entitled too - because nobody here is entitled to free stuff. Nobody is suffering unjustly due to a lack of free games. People aren't being forced to do things they don't want to by people setting unreasonable restrictions - whether it be joining a group, giving away enough games to achieve a certain level or leaving a comment when requested people can just not enter the damn giveaway if they don't like it.
Excluding some people from giveaways is elitist? What about excluding the whole of steamgifts from giveaways? By your logic isn't that even more elitist? What does that make somebody sitting on a hoard of games and not making giveaways for anybody? Do you even know what elitism means?
OP is a generous guy who I think was trying to make a point about being treated like a vending machine. I maybe don't think he did it especially well. But congrats on twisting it around to OP being a power crazed maniac who was abused as a child.
To clarify;
Person (a) is entitled to a free game but person (b) doesn't give them a game unless they jump through hoops to get it. Person (b) is abusing their power and being a dick - but that isn't what is happening.
Person (a) isn't entitled to a free game and doesn't get a free game from person (b). That is just somebody not getting a free game. It is the default state of things and not a miscarriage of justice.
Person (a) isn't entitled to a free game and doesn't get a free game from person (b). Person (c) also isn't going to give a free game to person (a) but decides to take the moral high ground and call person (b) elitist for not doing something that they wouldn't do either. Person (c) is just being a dick. You are person (c).
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I don't need a giveaway, your clarification is a moot from the beginning. I have 2500 games on my own already. Never once did I complain to anyone about not being able to enter any GA I can't enter. If I wanted, I would just buy the game.
I am here just to play the RNG roulette. Winning a game doesn't mean I want to play the game. I just want to win, to get the feel, not because I want a game or something. :)
And I stand by what I said. Are you one of them in my list above? :) Seems like I hit some nerve there.
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The only nerve you hit was criticising people for maybe not giving free games to people on your 'list' when you wouldn't give games to them either. You hit more buttons on that list then I ever could and there isn't any way you can dispute that.
Do you realise how absolutely mental that looks? Making a list of people that other people are 'elitist' for not making giveaways for when you don't make giveaways for them yourself.
There isn't any logic to anything you said, if you stand by it then you're either a moron or a troll. And I strongly suspect the latter given that you don't make giveaways or apparently need them so I don't see what you are doing other than shit stirring and taking an excuse to speculate abusively on other peoples lives.
Having 2,500 games doesn't make any of my points moot and I wasn't offering you a giveaway. It was a quite day for me and you were full of shit and I called you out on it. You clearly have no answers for anything I said.
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I don't know. I did lose it for a moment and that isn't anything to be proud of. I guess I'm just sick of people who can't contribute anything except negativity. When I'm even starting to appreciate the leeches who can keep a low profile and the 'thank you' bots it's maybe time for a break from Steamgifts...
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Bad day or not, you said it all a lot nicer than I would have. ;)
I've never seen this poor soul say anything nice to anyone on the site, so anything you said was just karma coming back around, as far as I am concerned. I find it ironic he loathes the very people from whom he leeches (and has admitted he leeches).
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Proud or not, sometimes that's the only way we can make a difference.
It definitely affected me positively, reading that, so thank you.
I never stated my approach was necessarily ideal, for what it's worth- though I do think people still have some misconceptions on it [such as your labeling of it as an experiment, which it was not]. I most certainly would take any advice on the matter to mind, but, at the very least, it's a decision I put a lot of thought into before following through on.
If nothing else, I should be flattered that some of the people in this thread think so highly of my giveaways, that they couldn't bear not having access to them for just a couple of hours while they posted a comment here- a comment they agreed to give me in the first place, when they entered the giveaway in question. o.O
Well, not that the admitted leech above is on my blacklist for that :P
It's to the point that I think they copy and past the same mantra for each initial comment they make, and just tweak it a bit. :P
In any case..
Thank you.
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I have done experiments in the past and by my standards that would have been an experiment, but in hindsight it was wrong to judge other people and their motives by my own behaviour.
I may have suggested I didn't approve of what you did but that wasn't by way of any ethical judgement. I just wouldn't have done that because I have turned a blind eye to a lot of behaviour from certain users who are otherwise nice and I strongly suspect I would have been disappointed by the results. And I just didn't see how it would be beneficial for anyone else.
I think you are a great user who has attempted to benefit and encourage other users who are at least attempting to do the right thing but who can get overlooked. I'm sorry I didn't previously reply to you but I simply didn't visit the site in that time.
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I wasn't in any way concerned about the specifics of the results, or curious about the outcome,
I had a specific aim and this seemed the best course to pursue it. Thus not an experiment :)
I didn't actually think people'd take it so harshly, but then, (for the people that had respectable demeanors through this) it seems their less-than-ideal opinions came about by way of misconceptions.
For example, the belief that anyone who hadn't commented got blacklisted/white-list removed.
That's simply not true- with the exception of a few accidental removals, noone got removed if they had any tags indicating they'd offered constructive or copious comments either in my giveaways or on the forums.
The only people [intentionally] affected were people who had had minimal communication for several months- several of whom had not only not said anything at all for quite some time, but had even refused to say 'thank you' on previous giveaway wins.
My goal was to suss out those with potential intent, then establish a framework to filter out those with actual intent.
The blacklisting itself was never intended to be punishment of any sort, hence why it was so easy to get off of the blacklist- all you had to do was give a comment [with any non-disrespectful contents], as the individuals agreed to do in the first place for that specific giveaway they entered.
Whether it was an accident, carelessness, whatever, I didn't much care- if they could take the time to give me the comment in due course, then I knew it wasn't intentional disrespect, and that's good enough.
I have to say the end result was extremely beneficial.
First, given that I've had several users respond.. uhm, rather coarsely to the matter, I've been able to firmly determine several users that legitimately should be blacklisted, thus improving both my perception of who is getting my giveaways [ie, people without that intentionally disrespectful nature], and improving giveaway odds for those remaining, respectful individuals. Everyone benefited, except the people who intentionally did not want to benefit from the matter.
Given the demeanor of those who responded negatively [and I don't mean "I don't agree with this approach"- people with that sentiment were fine to be unblacklisted; I mean outright hostility specifically.], the matter would have come up eventually anyway, and likely in a less controlled manner. So there, as well, it was positive.
Second, I've noticed the users who were affected have been commenting more, both on my giveaways and those of others.
It COULD just be my own perceptions of the matter- being more aware of those specific individuals- but that's also still a positive for our future relations.
And, perhaps, it's not just perceptions, and some people did become more aware of how habitually straightforward their giveaway entering process had become, and we'll end up getting more interesting interactions in giveaways overall, henceforth.
There was no downside to the whole matter, other than some negative opinions directed toward me, other than perhaps to people who haven't yet noticed the thread.
I can't affirm that it was the best course, but it definitely doesn't seem to have been a mistake. :)
And, moving forward with a good foundation of tags on the users who primarily enter my giveaways, it isn't as though I'll have to do something like this again-
In fact, I've already developed rather positive sentiments for many of the users involved-
Whether that's them trying to be considerate, or, at the cost of them having to give a "Here I am!", my now paying proper attention to them, the end result is definitely a boon to future interactions between us. :)
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I admit, I did get worried you were upset over the matter, when I noticed you'd left Positive Thoughts right after the matter came up..:X
And if that was in any way related, do note that my blacklisting someone isn't grounds for removal from the group: Someone has to devalue another person's perspective through outright intolerance, degrade them [usually with bigotry], or personally attack them, before behavior is grounds for removal. Even then, another admin has to confirm the removal.
Oddly enough, the only person from PosTho that got upset, wasn't even involved in the matter :'P
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Whatever else I think, I do think I understand most of that!
I'm not upset over the matter or with yourself personally. I left almost all of the groups I was in recently. That is just down to wider issues.
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^ Dragon
I typically like to comment on GAs especially special ones, but when people request certain things, sometimes I get flustered. I'm not sure why.
Personally (and hopefully we can hold different viewpoints and still co-exist peacefully), I don't mind if I ask a question and only some answer it, or only some post pictures. But that's probably because when people ask things, or ask for graphics, I'm very tired lately and it seems like a lot of effort... but that probably has more to do with my overall malaise than anything else. Who knows. Anyways....
I think if I was doing something big, and I asked for it, I'd probably get irritated. Actually, I did a very special gib recently, and I merely asked the 6 people invited to comment on the GA and one of them didn't... and this was a request in my Steam PM to them as well... smacks of a little ungrateful.
No picture for you.... just trying to survive the night at present and make it to the next day :)
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You were the single whitelist exception to the removal :P
The point wasn't "omigosh comment now or go away," it was "you haven't noticeably commented or said thank you or said anything on the forums or anything for 6 months, I think if you can't manage to make a single comment here, I'd prefer to put more attention on the whitelisters that HAVE been regularly putting effort and consideration in.".
In your case, we talk regularly [and your tagging reflects that!], so you were never at any risk :P
Likewise, the 5 whitelisters that did comment, basically always comment.
So really, the number of people that had an 'oops, I messed up this one time' moment were few, and it doesn't seem any of them were among the whitelistees affected.
Basically, the giveaway just was the final emphasis on a pattern of disregardful behavior, for many of the individuals involved. :/
And, y'know, it's not like any of them went to blacklist for it or anything- punishment was never part of the matter.
Again, it's not about punishment or requesting certain, specific things.
I just wanted to call to attention the fact that some of us prefer more considerate involvement.
That it gave me an opportunity to whittle down the whitelist and flush out some of the deliberate offenders willing to gleefully bitch at me in this thread rather than tackle the matter respectfully, that's just a bonus- now, the people who've been respectful [including those who took the time to comment away their temporary blacklist by way of this thread] will have better odds on future giveaways.
So really, even the people that did get blacklisted end up winning by the end of this, by having better odds in the future.
Definitely not punishment. :)
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No, I get it, you're nudging RNG in the direction you believe it should be nudged, and as a GA creator you have every right to do so. You're the one spending the money which some people seem to think grows on trees just cause of whatever reason.
"Oh you're a high level? You give a lot? You must be rich! I'm poor you should let me enter ur GIBS!"
The sense of entitlement blows my mind sometimes, but whatever, it is what it is. It's highly likely that I didn't comment for one of a couple reasons.
A.) I was accessing SG on my phone. That's painful and typically if I am, I'm doing it at work, and things are ending in the next couple hours and I may not have time to go back to it with a regular comp.
B.) I was feeling like crap. This is honestly the more likely of the scenarios at present. Not that it's an excuse, but a lack of will is still a lack of will. I've been meaning to reply to you since this morning, and it's only now that I finally had the energy to do so.
Typically I like to comment on things, even if it's just a little comment. Though lately that's been harder and harder to do, due to personal issues that are complicating everything at the moment, online and real world.
There is this idea that people fear being blacklisted for making a comment. The issue is that when you do want comments, and even request them, about 70% of people who you may have WL'ed or in a particular group, don't bother. I gave people a couple options in my last sent, but some people just use scripts and don't take the time to read.
It's not that it's a hassle to create a GA as one user surmised above, it's that the GA creator has taken the time to not only A) spend money on buying something to give, and B) taken the time to setup a GA, but also C) asked for involvement. If they were spending the money, and making the GAs then they have the right to hold whatever expectations they wish to.
For example, when I make low level GAs in mass quantity, I tend to leave this in the description: "No need for thanks upon entering, but if you win, be polite" though that was still obtuse to some, so it got changed to, "... but if you win, please have good manners, it might bite you later if you don't"
I think though some vocal users don't mind when they make publics not receiving a thanks from the winner, there are a lot who expect it as the minimum show of courtesy for winning a game from them. Others can hold whatever opinions they wish, they are entitled to, personally I want at minimum a thank you on my GAs if you win.
Now my other GAs that I specifically find to give out interesting and different things, I tend to ask for a little engagement, and that happens from some users. However, if I'm making quite a few of them, I don't necessarily feel it's necessary for them to comment on every single one, but please at least take the time to say something on one of them. Sure the site is made for gifting, but we the gifters have the right to determine how we nudge RNG. It's not about power, as someone decided to so rudely conclude, but more about I'm more invested in nudging RNG toward people who seem will actually be appreciative of the money I spent that I hardly have any of to make a GA for a game they might want. To add to that, I don't even care typically if someone is a game collector and may only idle the game for cards. Still, be appreciative. It's just good manners.
Anyways, I've ranted quite a bit here. I apologize (now realizing I haven't) for not having left a message on your GA. Rough times is all.
Meep.
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After all the negativity here and in another thread, I'm glad I got to read this before I went to sleep.
Thank you :)
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I say you do you, and if it bothers you it bothers you, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm okay with anyone who makes an effort to keep their ratio around 1. Keeping this site alive so we can all get more games means far more to me than a platitude someone gave me because they were taught to be polite.
I say this as someone who regularly tells people to 'Have a Nice Day' and thanks people for things, all I want is for people not to be rude. There's plenty of reasons why someone might not thank me for something, and being a contributing member of this community is all the thanks I need from anyone.
Here is a fancy steampunk-y crow.
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The event has ended!
Without reaching even 65% Fancyness, we've failed to attract the unbundled giveaway to this thread, and it has has relocated elsewhere. :(
~⁰ ・✧ Bundle Train! ✧ ・ﾟ ~
I hope you find the narrative entertaining, but there's certainly no obligation to read through it. :)
Enjoy the train!
In the spirit of the event, if you participate in the bundle train, additional Steampunk images in this thread would be welcomed. :)
The original thread post has been moved to the first reply of this thread. If you find you're blacklisted, and don't know why, you should take a quick look there!
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