The best approach. I had a buddy who got it for free via the year WoW subscription asking if he should buy it, I advised that he just play through the entire game before deciding if he should buy a second copy.
I am really really really enjoying it. They have changed some stuff, most of which I like, some of which I'm still on the fence about whether I like it or not.
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Well so far the game is rather fun to play, it IS much much much better to play with friends, since its quite hard to find a public game with more than 1 guy alone (maybe higher difficulties will change that). Also there are some latency issues from time to time, and considering everything is server side, it can get pretty annoying.
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Well, based off my experience with the beta, I'd say that it was a dumb grind. Every part of the explore, kill, loot formula was either bland from the get-go or got old fast. Same environments over and over again, limited skill customization and little enemy variety, lame loot...
Oh, and always-online can go fuck itself.
Basically I'm still far, far more interested in Torchlight 2, Path of Exile, and Borderlands 2. Granted this is just my impression from one playthrough with the beta, but I frankly wasn't impressed.
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Beta sucks balls I felt the sameway as you since playing the full game I can say its much much muccccch better even a guest pass is better than the beta was.
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Yep. D2, Borderlands, and Torchlight have the kill > loot cycle just about perfect. D3...not so much.
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Based off my experience with the beta, Path of Exile is one of the most boring games I've played in a while.
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Ah. That's unfortunate. Then again F2P PvE games often have problems with pacing. Gotta make money, best way currently known is to sell boosters and bling, and selling the former means having to justify it by making the game a grindtastic slog. (see: Spiral Knights, League of Legends*)
Which is really what the Diablo 3 beta felt like, come to think of it. Diablo 3: an F2P game with a $60 price tag.
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"an F2P game with a $60 price tag" please, explain yourself. Anyone can say that about any game, it means nothing.
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I just did if you were actually paying attention. "... a grindtastic slog." The beta felt to me like a F2P game.
A proper self-contained game with a full price tag is supposed to offer a complete, polished experience with no additional charges required. This is the way games had always worked for almost three decades and it worked very well. But now that's changing, and I don't think for the better. Now there's Diablo 3's RMAH, another payment scheme within what's supposed to be a complete game. This sets off alarm bells.
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What? Please, I'm trying to be serious. Three decades of "complete, polished experience with no additional charges required"? In which planet do you live? We get $60 games with day 1 $20 DLCs. But suddenly RMAH "oh no the end of gaming is nigh, blizz u so greedy". The game is complete. You don't need to use the RMAH to get special or extra content, nor to enhance your gaming experience.
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I never said that day-1 $20 DLCs aren't a problem. Neither are preorder exclusives. They also indicate the game is incomplete at launch.
Post-launch DLC I have less problem with, as long as they aren't there to 'complete' the game but only to add on top of it. In that case they're no different then the expansion packs of old.
I do agree that most DLC is severely overpriced however. But that's a matter of opinion.
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I really am enjoying Diablo 3 so far, though I have been waiting 12 years for it. Having said that, when Borderlands 2 is out, I'll be playing that heavily. As for other ARPG's? Torchlight 2 should be good, but Torchlight was.... missing something. I have little faith they'll find whatever it was TL1 was missing. Also, fuck fishing in an ARPG, just stupid. Path of Exile I have not played, but I am no fan of pay to win. So I probably WON'T play it.
If anything, Grin Dawn's got my attention. TQ Gold was fucking AMAZING, and I have full faith in part of the TQ team making Grim Dawn into something truly special.
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PoE isn't paytowin, only cosmetic Crap is sold or booster packs which are super unnecessary, I played the beta, you level perfectly throughout the acts.
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Haven't tried yet, but as I could see, it's just plain garbage. With over 12 years of development they could have released a way better game, and it's just the same as D2 but worse. Personally, I wouldn't waste 60 € in such shit, way overpriced for what it really is. And what about the DRM crap? Hell no, I'll pass on this one.
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First of all, dont call people you dont know idiots, boy.
Secondly you cant easily buy BEST items in the game with gold...
And finally diablo 3 is build around RMAH, you have to buy items there if you want a chance at high level pvp...
And everyone else who dont want to add to their 60$ more will be nothing compared to others who invest real life money. So if you planning paying more for this crap, this game is for you...
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Counterarguments? Okay here I go:
Blizzard doesn't sell the items in the auction house. This means that items sold there are ONLY sold by players. Are you following me? Great. This means that in order for Player A to buy an item, Player B MUST have acquired it by playing, yes? Awesome. So if Player B was able to obatin said item by playing the game, this means that EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER IN THE GAME CAN DO THE SAME.
This explains why you don't HAVE to invest real money to get the best items in the game. It is merely an option you are given, which you can choose not to use.
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Ok. First of all Blizzard get % FROM EVERY REAL MONEY AH PURCHASE! Yes players obtain items, but still blizzard makes tons from it. The point of paying 60$ for the game is to buy FAIR CHANCES with everyone esle who paid for it, but if you ready to invest RW money, you dont have to grind for items, you dont have to play by everyone else rules, you can just best items the second you got to Maximum level, because there always will be top items in RMAH. So everyone who willing to spend more money will get best gear without ANY EFFORT! And that means money you spent on game(60$) dont buy you FAIR CHANCE with everyone else.
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Okay here we go again, and this is my last clever reply to you since answering to your stupidities is actually making me more stupid.
To begin with, the fact that blizzard gets a % is totally unrelated to the game being or not (in this case the latter ) P2W. Now that we got that straight, EVERYONE has the same chances of getting the best items in the game, the same way EVERYONE has the same chances to buy them. It is YOU who's chosing NOT TO.
Will everyone willing to spend money have the best items in the game? Not necessarily, that depends if people decide to sell the items instead of using them.
Will people who are willing to spend money get the best items faster than others? Obviously NOT. The will first have to wait for someone to get spare top tier items, which will take longer than actually getting your own items.
Bottomline is: The game IS NOT pay to win. People who spend money in the game WILL NOT have better items that those who don't.
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If you think D3 is P2W, you obviously have never played a game that is actually P2W. Everything on the real money auction house can be found in game, whether or not somebody buys the item is irrelevant because everybody can get the item. The only real problem with D3 is that you always have to be online to play.
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For example fair chance of getting good item. Person who invest real money dont need ANY EFFORT to get any item, he can just buy it... but person who PAYED FOR GAME 60$ too but dont want to spent more will have to grind. This is unfair. And about PVP, it is part of the game, so players who use RMAH will have upper hand in PVP too wich is also unfair.
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I'm jumping on the idiot bandwagon here, and adding: LOL PVP! Sorry, but this game isn't based around PvP, Diablo 1 and 2 weren't, and 3 isn't going to be. Who CARES about PvP in D3?
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Obviously Actiblizzard thought that someone would for them to implement it.
And also, imo if a dev implement's a feature, it should never be broken. Blizzard implemented PvP, ergo it should not be broken. But the RMAH risks doing just that.
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I'm sorry, but I simply don't see it. There's nothing stopping anyone from grinding for more gear, or using the gold auction house. Especially since even Legendaries/Uniques have mostly random stats on them. I highly doubt it will break the PvP. But I'll be quite blunt. Even if it does, I don't give a flying fuck. PvP is why there are FPS's, MOBA's, etc. If you're playing D3 for PvP, you're doing it wrong.
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After a while, the competitive scene will have collected enough of the best gear through grinding, but that will still leave newcomers in the dust. Then there'll effectively be a price to entry if the drop rate for the required gear is too low.
Oh, and are the people who bought WC3 simply for DOTA "doing it wrong"? Also my point still stands, even if you don't care for that particular feature, if it's broken wouldn't you rather prefer they didn't make a broken feature and instead focus on the elements you did care about instead? Just some food for thought.
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Since I don't like RTS's, nor do I care for DOTA, I can't comment on that. But honestly on the PvP feature? I'd rather the development time have gone to more PvE content, yes, unquestionably. But PvP isn't even in the game yet, so I can't comment on whether or not it's a fun diversion or not.
Also, they have stated on many occasions, that's all PvP is supposed to be, a fun diversion. Unless they dramatically changed their minds, they have NO plans on supporting a competitive scene. That is all going to be on the playerbase.
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It's even worse, in the auction house, people puts the price on the stuff. You know, like bidding on eBay.
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Let's not spread misinformation, shall we? Currently there are two auction houses, the Gold and the Real Money one (Which is currently disabled). The gold one works with in game currency and you can either bid or buyout items you want. The real money one works the same way so you can eventually make money off the game.
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You don't need to buy them, default weapons are mostly the best ones. The rest is mainly cosmetic customization (hats). I have over 200 hours in TF2 and haven't bought a single item yet. You don't need it and if you do, you can craft it or trade it.
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yeah same here, i just bougth a 1 buck pack just for getting the Premium account and be able to trade...
but actually the gameplay don´t change too much with the others weapons, mostly for fun...
and you can play it every time, not like dialbo III :D
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200 hours in TF2? WHOAH! You must be a pro dude.
Just yanking your chain, I don't actually care. I just for some reason found it funny that 200 hours is apparently a long time to hold on to your self control in that clusterfuck of a game.
Especially considering I clocked around 1300 hours before they even added the stupid ass random loot system in the first place.
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Even if Blizzard is plain garbage, they are not responsible for fanboy stupidity. They just have the golden eggs chicken and they use it accordingly, it's the retarded fans that go mindlessly wasting their money.
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You do realize that D2 had a huge black market for items right? You are essentially saying that D2 is also P2W, because any idiot could also buy good items, except with D2, you could also buy levels and character builds.
The SAME THING minus the character builds and levels is now available, except nobody has to worry about getting their info. stolen by the Chinese.
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No, you can buy power (i.e. you can acquire in-game advantages), even if you could acquire it through regular play. That's if the Random Number God smiles on you, and Blizzard has a vested interest in making sure it doesn't. But you're still given the option, and encouraged to use that option, to increase your digital avatars' in-game strength by forking over real money. This is, in a word, ugly.
What this means is that D3's PvP aspect is going to be broken. To be competitive you'll either need to be fantastically lucky or shell out real cash. And going by my experience with the beta (and TotalBiscuit's comments on the matter), D3 campaign's pacing is broken as well. I likened it to a F2P game with a $60 price tag. A grindtastic slog to justify speeding progression along by paying real cash. Maybe the actual game itself isn't actually so terrible in this respect, but for now I'm skeptical.
And in the end, the RMAH is not so much a problem because of the problems it causes, but because it represents Actiblizzards disrespect towards its customers. Players are forced to be online not because of piracy, not because of convenience, but because They want complete control over the service they sell and They want as many people as possible to use the RMAH so that They can collect their cuts.
Basically the RMAH is indicative of Actiblizzard treating its customers like a resource to be harvested rather than as people. That's my opinion of it anyway.
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I like how everyone rages 'LOL P2W U JELLY CUZ U CANT AFFORD IT', well, in fact, i do not, so what does that say about your game ? I do not have the same chances as everyone else 'cause i have less money ? And in all other games, even though you could buy gold on ebay n' stuff, getting top items was still a hard task, here it's just in the auction house. Seriously, now.
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I found it to be casual as fuk and a complete snorefest a couple hours in due to how easy it is. Prime example of how modern gaming is ruining everything.
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if u could beat d2 on normal without grinding every single monster in the map, it means ur late build would just suck.... most ppl wouldn't spend all their points in low level skills (yeah.. i know about the huge dps from low lvls, but few ppl did that when i used to play)... in d3 you don't have to care about it... so.. yeah.. awy easier
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I think it's pretty fantastic so far. I'm a level 22 Witch Doctor, probably about 3/4 of the way through Act 2. Lots of interesting scenery, new/creative monsters, and an interesting story and lore. Combat is a tad easy, but I figure thats what Nightmare/Hell difficulties are for, and even more so Hardcore mode. I don't remember ever dying in Normal in D2 either, so I'd say its pretty on par so far, which is great since D2 was so awesome. And the fact that you cant insta-quit or insta-TP or spam potions means there's no quick getaway when you think you're screwed, so hardcore will be even more challenging than it was in D2
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It has always on DRM.
So you should avoid it. There is no reason for a need to be always online if you only want to play singleplayer because you don't care for online features.
The whole game is built around the real money auction house and when it launches, a few people will maybe finally wake up, but then it is too late. Diablo 3 is damaging the gaming scene in a way that cannot be repaired from now to then.
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The game is not intended to suit your tastes. The majority of people play online, and always online DRM is the best way to avoid hacking and character editing.
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And I said "The game is not intended to suit your tastes". Blizzard doesn't care if a few people only want to play single player. They won't go throught the trouble of banning hackers just because a bunch of people don't like being online all the time. They will obviously cater to the biggest part of the playerbase.
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Doesn't answer why they couldn't implement a purely single player mode, and keep offline-made characters out of online games.
Oh that's right, because Actiblizzard wants to completely control how you play because they're selling a service, not a product. Yech.
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If only you'd played dungeon defenders when it was released you wouldn't be asking that. They could, but then people would ask why they can't move their offline characters to online gameplay. Just because a minority only wants to play single player offline mode doesn't mean that Blizzard will go through the trouble of implementing such thing. It's unnecessary.
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No it is not.
Every MMO suffers from Botters and Hackers just as any other multiplayer game. That is a real moot point.
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You can't edit your character if you don't have access to the save files. As opposed to any game that saves them locally. You can't just open a hex editor and get your hp to 100k in wow or lineage 2, for example.
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No but you can cheat in other ways that give you advantages.
Stop defending the fucking DRM. The online feature is not a feature, it is DRM. And thats why it needs to die asap. Also, Diablo 3 made cheating legit and introduced pay2win by adding the real money auction house soon. That is something that every competitive gamer should hate.
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You can always cheat in some way, there is no perfect way of preventing it but this helps a lot. I won't stop defending the always online DRM because there is no reason for me to do so. Only disadvantage? You need a decent connection to play. Don't have it? Go play something else. It's 2012, you are always online anyways.
About the "p2w", it has already been discussed and it's obvious to anyone who has a capacity to reason that it doesn't apply to this game. And by the way, if you are a competitive gamer you shouldn't give a shit for diablo, a non-competitive game.
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Well, congrats you are a pet of the gaming industry.
Continue to swallow every harsh DRM. There will be a day when even people like you will wake up and wonder how it could come so far.
The next Step in DRM is btw not to download games anymore, but to stream them.
That will be the day I quit gaming.
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Your tears, they are delicious :3
I have been always online since I switched from dial-up to broadband. For all I care every single game I've bought ever since could have had this "DRM", not a single shit would have been given. If internet goes down or servers need to undergo maintenance, I'll find something else to do. My life does not depend on playing a game. There is no single reason why this feature should annoy anyone.
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Awesome game. Completed it on normal already, only the last bosses were a bit hard. Started nightmare already and it is quite a challenge.
People saying there is little skill customisation have obviously not played the game or are clueless. Each class has over 20 skills and eacch skill has 5 runes (variations) to pick from.
About the "buying power" thing: It's not different from any other game. In every game people sell items for cash, here you have the option to use a safe method.
Always online DRM:
2012
Not being always online
Also, it's one of the best ways of avoiding hacking.
The game is great. Arguing is pointless though, haters gonna hate
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I don't care about the always online part. I care about getting lag during a single-player game. -_- Getting disconnected while I'm playing by myself.... yea nope.
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Because every single online game has had perfect releases. Day 1 server issues were to be expected. I haven't suffered a single disconnection or lag since then. And I play from South America with 1mb connection.
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2012
Day 1 server issues were to be expected.
It's ok for them to assume that everyone is always online because it's 2012, but it's churlish to expect Blizzard....BLIZZARD!...in 2012!...to be able to sort out adequate server infrastructure from day 1? Wait...what?
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Doesn't matter what company it is, with a release this big, server issues should always be expected, because not even by doing stress tests they can predict the server loads on release date.
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just questioning... do you have to choose wich rune will unlock? do u have to make one gets way more powerful instead of getting all of them?
ok.. that's what everybody is complaining. In d2 you could get all ur points in 4 skills... or put them in all of them.. you could create 100 heroes completely distinct. While in d3 any hero of the same class u get to max lvl will have same stats and skills...
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You choose which rune to use, which modifies the skill, so every skill has 5 different variations. In d2 you had to level 100 heroes to be able to have 100 different builds, in d3 you can change your skill build without having to max a new character. You have way more variations.
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so.. as expected... you do not costumize ur char. Loses the replay with same hero... understand where is the point about the bad skill system and blabla bla everybody is crying about?
old times i could do just a summoner druid.. or a elemental one.. or a hybrid... which ones with its own features. Nowadays what will make ur hero distinct from the other one is the equips... both can acess the same skills.. and bla bla bla
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"Always online DRM:
2012
Not being always online
Also, it's one of the best ways of avoiding hacking. "
Then why not keep online/offline characters completely separate if hacking's an issue? Also, what about people who bring their laptops on school, vacation, etc.? What about when Blizzard needs to do maintenance on the servers and you want to play?
Yes, being offline is a less and less common occurrence every day. But unless a game is designed to be a multiplayer experience, there's no fucking excuse for no offline mode. None whatsoever.
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Already explained why making online and offline characters separate is not worth the hassle.
When Blizzard needs to do maintenance I just go and do something else. My life doesn't revolve around the game, I can live without playing it every once in a while.
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I don't really understand this argument. You know, most of us people have real life to take care of. The only time I can really get into gaming (1hr+ a night) is when I travel for work, and the places I go rarely have stable internet connections. I mainly play single player because I don't get much time so I can't compete with high school kids who do nothing but play all day.
Normally I get 2-3 hours of gaming in through out a week. And countless times I managed to free up a few hours to play something online and the servers are down (or internet doesn't work because Comcast is doing maintenance, or PSN issues, or something else to prevent anything that requires internet from working.)
Why are people ok with things that limit what you can do with your stuff? Diablo 3 is an instant non-buy because of this. I don't hate DRM, I just wish it is not an inconvenience. I have spent hours trying to get my phone internet connect to tether properly to get Steam to load up so I can activate the offline mode before, and thats something no one needs to go through to use something they paid for.
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Well, apparently not "most of us". By the looks of it "most of us" are not annoyed by this feature, otherwise Blizzard wouldn't have done it.
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Blizzards does it because people accept it, like you do. If people actually expressed their dislike maybe Blizzard would change, but 99% of the people who hate that its always online, buy it and play it anyway, so Blizzards doesn't lose any business.
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Read my previous posts. I accept it because I have been always online since I switched from dial-up.
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If you like playing an MMO. I kid I kid. No seriously.
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Not ready to pronounce it GOTY quite yet. Borderlands 2 after all.
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Borderlands 1 was one of the worst games I've purchased in like 3 years. Why the fuck would a second one be better?
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I apologize that you have no taste in games. I'm sorry. But to each their own, yeah?
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Just try it for yourself, I have also played the beta and now I´m installing my Guest Pass, because my friends have some leftover and they really like the game. Therefore, I´ll give it a try.
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Yes but you are not taking into account that diablo saga > torchlight
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So the fact that it's cheaper makes up for the fact that it has no decent story? Or that anyone can easily edit their character's armor and weapons? Or that you just keep going down in the same dungeon through repetitive scenery and enemies? I don't think so, but that's just me.
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Yes it does. If I'm going to play a repetitive loot-a-thon (which I'm not, I'm sick of them), I'd rather pay 1/3 the price for a game that is worse in some ways but better in others. Especially when I don't have to worry about always online bullshit.
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Ways in which torchlight is better than diablo:
1) It's cheaper.
2) No, that's all.
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Even if that was the only way in which it was better, it really is pretty huge. $40 can buy a lot, especially on Steam. You can have many amazing experiences if you spend smart with just that amount of money.
But of course, it's not the only way :P
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Yes, it really is the only way Torchlight 2 is better then D2. Torchlight 1 was missing a certain something that Diablo had, and also TQ Gold. If you're looking forward to a cheaper ARPG, Grim Dawn is FAR more interesting. I'm not saying Torchlight 2 is going to be bad, or that Torchlight 1 was bad either. But it sure didn't have the same hook that D2 and TQ Gold did. YMMV.
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That's your opinion. Really biased too. Not a result of an in-depth analysis and an honest review.
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I won't do an in depth analysis, it's pointless. Yes, it is my opinion. Played both games and that's the only reason I'd choose torchlight over diablo.
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Since when has any Diablo game ever had a decent story? Please! The story in Diablo games is barely there to support the gameplay with some background, but it's nothing sophisticated - they have the most simple boring storylines you could possibly imagine. Maybe you have yet to actually play games with good storylines. Story mentioned as a strength of a Diablo game? Dude, wake up!
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"So the fact that it's cheaper makes up for the fact that it has no decent story?". Does it say there that diablo has a good story? No, it barely says that torchlight has a shit story.
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It was an assumption, because why else would you mention the story? Well, at least that's agreed then.
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Biased. How can you possibly know? You haven't played Torchlight 2, it's not out yet.
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Need to work on your reading comprehension skills there mate. I mentioned the diablo SAGA and then I mentioned torchlight. I never mentioned torchlight 2 or torchlight SAGA.
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Well, it was a reply to a post comparing prices of Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 though, so I kinda assumed your reply would be relevant. Fine, if you're comparing to the first Torchlight, I guess you can do that.
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You need to learn to read directly. Where did anyone mention diablo I having an amazing story? Exactly, nowhere.
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People who shout 'YES ITS GOTY, IF YOU DO NOT THING ITZ DA BEST GAME UR AND IDIOT DIE PLEASE' really shouldn't have their opinions taken into account. I have played this game. As far as i see, it is the shitty formula, not original at all, i have expected a lot more. It resembles diablo 2 a lot, which is a plus, adding to the nostalgia, but once you see beyond the nice impression, things begin to fall down.
First thing that comes to mind is the insanely high price and the Pay2Win mechanic. Yes, you 'can' get good items in the game through grind, but you do need to grind for huge ammounts of time AND the items you recieve still won't be 'the best'. The combat gets dull and boring, the kill>loot>repeat schematic is getting really overused really fast.
Honestly ? I wouldn't spend a dime on this game. I doesn't deserve the attention it gets. They actually fucked this one up.
Oh yeah, inb4 i get shouted at by all the fanboys, calling me an idiot, go on, prove my point.
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People who shout "P2W" really shouldn't have their opinions taken into account.
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+1
The auction house only contains items that other users have found. So how can you say that "the items you recieve still won't be 'the best'". Just play a lot and find those same items. People did the same thing in Diablo 2, just with using eBay instead of an in-game auction house. I really don't understand the criticism of this. It makes it safer for the people who WANT to do it, and offers no advantage that didn't exist before.
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There is no pay to win, please educate yourself a bit more.
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