The "bundling" system is horrible. For some games it counts, for others it does not. It's absolutely retarded and subject to the whims of the site's creator.
Even if a game has NEVER been bundled before, they will "bundle" it just because they can.
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Not sure what you're on about, but games aren't being bundled "just because they can". The bundling system follows a specific set of rules.
Edit: lol. How did I type "fundles" when I wanted to type "follows"? I like that word, though ^^
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That's not even close to true. Games are bundled when they reach a thresh-hold point, usually 95% of the normal value. It doesn't matter if it is a steam sale, bundle site, or third party site where it happens.
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Maybe before write this, better read rules about bundle games more carefully. Happy Holidays!
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What are you talking about? A game would not be put onto the bundle list if there hasn't been a mass giveaway or such a sale where many people can get it for a highly reduced price IE 95%+
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I suggest that you learn the art of providing constructive criticism, in full knowledge of the subject and ... presented in a polite manner.
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Even if it was like this, it would be the right of the site's owner. oO
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Maybe you should check first about bundled rules, before you write such a "retarded"[sic!] shit.
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Some do if the RRP of one of the games exceeds a high percentage such as The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing: Final Cut
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Im not really sure, but that Van Helsing ended on the bundle list because if you were owning the other 3 Van Helsing games you could have received the final cut for free. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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If that's the premise, it's one that breaks usual bundle-list calculations, given that VH3 hadn't gone below 7.49$ yet, then.
So it may have been a combination of that, and a VH3 price bug.
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It was given as key, not directly on your library like Darksiders, so I think it's for this that it's on bundle list...
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My point is that such is still just 87.5% off, though (and that's assuming you treat VH1 and 2 as being completely free), and thus not meeting the 95~% off bundle-list requirements.
Regional pricing/glitching for VH3 is likely what brought it up above 95%, and they may have not factored VH1&2 very highly in their calculations, as well.
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If a game is in a "Bundle" doesn't matter, given that that title doesn't mean anything specific.
Rather, games are added to the bundle list if they are discounted to approximately 95% or more of their initial price.
(For games in a bundle, this is calculated off the total for the games of that tier of the bundle.)
Humble Monthly bundles tend to hover at 90% off, and thus have not yet met requirements for being added to the list.
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True and some are bundled because they were bundled on other bundle sites after they were released by Humble Monthly. :-)
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dont stress it, almost everything becomes bundled on here sooner or later even if it wasn't bundled when you gave it away ive lost almost $300 in unbundled CV this year alone, just assume your going to get bundled CV and youll be good to go.
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It's not the fact that I lost CV that annoys me. It's the fact their bundling criteria is very unclear. A game can be 90% off all around the world, but because it's Region Free and Russians can buy it for so much cheaper, we all get screwed? It's idiotic.
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Price drops for a game after you gave it away should not lower your CV as well but it does,its ok tho we are here to give away and win games thats the sites main purpose and it does that well:)
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No, what's idiotic is the opposite fact - game baing available to a lot of users for like 2-3% of it's price and would still be giving full CV value. System is simple - game is available ANYWHERE (steam or other key store, doesn't matter, ROW or any of regions doesn't matter, ANYWAHERE) for less than 5% of US base price it may go to bunldle list. It's been always like that. You ignored it or didn't know it - doesn't matter, your loss, but it does not make it "idiotic" - if anything it makes all your QQing idiotic, cause the only reason you do so is because you lost, if you did not but someone would get let's say to lvl 5 investing the same money you did just because he's russian you'd cry how idiotic the system is the other way around.
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Punishing EVERYONE because of a select few is not how the world works.
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EVERYONE can ake advantage of it. It's not like russians are the only one capable of creating region locked GAs. If you wish so you can trade for these games and create GAs yourself.
So CASE ONE: EVERYONE are capable of making these GAs and EVERYONE are capable of getting cheap priced games, thuis everyone gets same bundle CV.
CASE TWO: EVERYONE are capable of making these GAs and EVERYONE are capable of getting cheap priced games but all get full CV because otherwise Koitenshin would get butthurt over not getting his precious CV,
Yeah, surely CASE TWO is way more fair than CASE ONE ;)
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what's your solution?
let people in cheaper regions reach lv10 easily by spending less than 30% of row prices?
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I have a solution but people wouldn't like it. It would be better in the long run though.
Separate regions based on how much their games cost and only let them trade / hold giveaways for each other.
They'd have to start IP banning VPNs and TOR exit nodes.
Find out the general cost range of games (easy to do using Steamdb.info), and start making brackets based on cost.
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well, then they should do better by renaming the site to steamrowgifts.com and banning everyone from region-locked countries.
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I never said it was a good solution, but you asked for my solution.
Another solution would be to find out which users are from where (IP geolocation) and tagging their accounts server side so only they get hit with the 15% CV. That way the rest of us who pay real money for games higher prices carry on as usual.
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and what about countries that are region locked and still pay row prices?
how do you know who buys from their store and who trades cheaper gifts?
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CV simply needs to be calculated for each person based on their geographical location. That would essentially solve all the issues.
If they want to trade for cheaper gifts, let them. The Steam API (if it ever gets upgraded) could probably tell where a key came from.
Bundling would no longer be necessary unless there actually was a bundle, or a massive amount of keys were given away free
(Dirt 3: Complete Edition as an example)
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Banning VPN's, TOR and the like is not just an impossible battle to win, it hurts people who use VPN's out of necessity or those that just like to protect their privacy. Unless you want CG to start demanding copies of our birth certificate, ID card, credit card or the like (which I don't) there's no way to really verify a location.
Honestly, the only fair solution is to have the rules apply the same to everyone. Heck, I bought my fair share of cheap games through Nuuvem before they started verifying addresses through Paypal. There's no reason anyone couldn't buy cheaper games through them or other cheaper international game stores (well, unless they start verifying like Nuuvem did).
I think this community provides more enjoyment when you stop worrying as much about the CV. Some people are going to have paid less for a game than someone else, that's just the way it goes. If your goal is to get more games, then you're much better off trading your keys rather than giving them away to increase your level.
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I'm not here just to get free games (I like giving away games as well). But seeing your level drop from Level 4, all the way back to Level 2 (in less than 12 hours) can be quite aggravating.
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Yeah, level drop is annoying but we all deal with it at some point or another. A few more giveaways and you'll be right back in no time.
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the site would have to hire thousands upon thousands of people in order to maintain 10,000 games prices changing on a daily basis per region.. so 10,000games (we'll lowball it) x40 diff regions (total guess) = 40,000 possible changes per day, not even including the 2dozen games per day they continue to crank out into the system..
you seem to think this could be automated when it by no means could be. that's an astronomical & impossible amount of work just cause you don't feel it's fair.
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"Select few" meaning the second largest nation of users on the site?
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there is also regional price glitches... like the $400 Indonesian Vegas Pro 14 software for only $1.50.. if the 95%+ off any region what so ever rule didn't exist then almost all Indonesian SG users would be level 10 with only spending ~$20-25.
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dark souls 3 deluxe edition was less than a dolar for at least an hour in my region and it is not in the bundle list
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did someone provide proof to SG?? also the glitch had to be 95% or greater off. if those two things don't happen then that would explain why it was not moved to the bundle list.
edit: also i see absolutely no signs of abusing that price glitch in the archive history what so ever.. i'd say if there was no abuse, then no reason to move it. (grand total ds3 21 copies (11 of which were deleted) gifted vs 119 copies of vegas pro (22 of which were deleted) --- so 10copies (mostly regionfree) vs 99copies successful (100% SE Asia Locked).
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there was a thread in here but if you say there was no abuse so I guess is fine.
Probably most people got it for themselves or for trade instead of giving it away
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well out of the 10copies that went thru successfully one or two may of been from a priceglitch, i wouldn't really know.. but it wasn't over-abused really at least thankfully.. xD
and yeah, i agree. most likely it was only glitched long enough for people to pickup a copy for themselves with possible enough time for a spare to trade.
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people got around 5 copies pero account before steam blocked them out
the glitch was around for an hour
there was a guy here who got like 15 copies with different accounts, it was crazy xD
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i believe it entirely. luckily none of them really seemed to of made their way here to gifting anyways though :D or at least very few. xD
that is crazy, but i can't say i wouldn't do the same if i could of. not to try and farm cv, but just to gift to friends.. ^^
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Because it is a way too popular game, and in those cases sheer peer pressure influences the list. Talos Principle was on the bundle list for a long time, then it was removed because so many people complained. Price glitches that affected a single country for mere minutes still have put games on the list. But if it is really popular enough, then it gets removed. Some Alien game was like that too. If GTA V had a price glitch somewhere, you could bet that it wouldn't reside on the bundle list for long, if it would even ever get there.
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I just looked at the bundle list and Talos Principle was still there.
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Again? Then was it some other game? I am relatively sure about Aliens, but there was some game they removed, and I remember Talos. It had some coupon that stacked with a sale, and this put it on the list. (Or was that the Alien game?)
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I am pretty sure that the Talos coupon stacked with a sale.
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No, that's why people farm them for cheap easy CV.
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Can someone explain where Calvino Noir fits in with their understanding of the bundling system?
Since I've been here I've always seen it come up as the clearest example of that 95% boundary, as it only got down to something like $1.04 to its $14.99 MSRP and stayed unbundled at a 94% discount. (As an aside, recently the MSRP dropped by half, and winter sale dropped 90% of that, though I don't know if any of that is a factor here)
Anyway, some time this month Calvino Noir finally landed on the bundle list, and it hit with a vengeance. The bundled date goes back 8 months or so, tagging every one of those times I read someone explaining why it wasn't bundled. I don't recall the exact month other than it was before I joined SG and it even predated the GMG sale I had thought that 1.0X price-point even came from.
Que sera sera and all, but anyone know what happened there?
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Yeah this happens a lot to games.
Happened to one of the Transformers games and I had no idea about it.
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Gonna get my level 10 next month finally I think. :3
Woot only took 5 and a half years! lol
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I have the strangest feeling you didn't read past the game title :-/
I get why it's bundled now. Why is Calvino Noir retroactively bundled to somewhere around 8 months back? .
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russian ruble was cheaper in may, so even a 85% discount was enough to get it bundled
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Ah. Thank you. That never even occurred to me and so much discussion in the past was focused on that GMG price that I figured there has to be some information missing from the price charts to explain it. That probably is the right answer.
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Despite obvious CV abuse by purchasing these keys on third party sites such as G2A for price with >95% discount - no, they are not counted as bundle games.. -.-
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Which Humble Monthlies are going for 95% off on G2A? If it's a desirable game, it'll still fetch a high price. I've wanted The Forest for a while, and it looks like the cheapest on G2A is $9 (only slightly less than the current sale price).
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Almost every revealed one that had price over 15$; those with price lower than 10$ were rare considering that sellers had to cover selling fees, so they were usually 90-95% off comparing to full price; I think that best example was Avernum 2 - 50 cents for 20$ cv. There were few exceptions to this rule like Satellite Reign (it wan't lower than 2,5$) - exception usually happens once in two months. These prices last usually for the current month of the bundle.. in two months after bundle, when resellers deplete supplies, prices are 90% and less...
Only ones that keep price are bundle carriers, games that were leading you to buy it. You can even buy bundle, sell that game on G2A for almost full price of the bundle and be "generous" and gift rest of the games from the bundle when it is revealed and get literally free 100+$ cv ..
I still have open 5 months old ticket here with a simple question why these games arent' in bundle list and no answer...
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SG doesn't check G2A for prices, you'd need to report it to support. And it would need to get hundreds of sales at least, not just single guy selling single copy.
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I just check if the game is on this list and know if it has been bundled or not, easy peasy japan-easy! https://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games
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Very easy answer - it depends if games in the bundle exceed total of -95% discount.
Because very often they do not - they do not count as bundled games. But if you bought for 12$ stuff worth total of 240$ or more, then obviously they'd be added to bundle list. That's all, no real mystery about that - just pure math.
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I just noticed that humble monthly games don't show up here: https://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games
Are Humble Monthly games not counted as bundled / subjected to the CV penalties of normal bundles?
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