Personally, I don't really care. If someone with 0 GAs enter one of my level 0 GAs, then that's up to them.
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I'm glad people still bring it up but I've really grown tired discussing it. It's not that people can't spend even 19 cents, it's that they don't want to. They'll complain and act like they are the poorest little thing there is, argue about how deserving they are to win everything and ultimately the donator is the real leecher.
I don't wanna deal with this shit anymore.
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I'm sorry that assholes have made you cynical. And I understand why, too. I cannot stand people who can obviously contribute, even if it's just a bit of time, but refuse to do so. Like this asshole, for example.
It's the reason why I prefer doing hidden forum giveaways over pubs.
And those who act like the gifter is the bad one? Hello, blacklist. I am 100% not here for these douchebags.
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I see guy who giveaway 0 games and win GTA V (really) if anybody want to see it, i have screenshot... its confusing.. i hate leechers.
And about giving games.. i giving games that i don't need, i mean this is point of page, but some "donators" of good games are very nice peoples. But i never have feel to giving to someone 50€ in game thing :)
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Well this is his personal "luck" (if you believe in luck). He managed to win game among 10k people who entered giveaway. So, what can you say besides, Be happy for this guy :)
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Happy for this guy? Someone who giving nothing and win most popular game atm? I completly hate peoples who only leeching. If he giving some games too, where is problem... but this behavior i really hate :) If he win gun mokeys and giveaway nothing, he is still leecher for me.
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You should think about it in other way.
For example. They might wasted all karma on this win and they will need it on more important things later in their life's :D
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In real life.. but nobody notify you about it :D but all see his uber leeching here:D
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How is that leeching behavior? The person won a giveaway and received a gift. He participated in charity as a recipient. Where is the issue?
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Only take games from others and give absolute nothing. Its my mind i hate these peoples.
btw yesterday i see guy who have 31 (or 33) recieved games and 0 given, its normal and good by you?
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That sounds like the issue isn't with them. I don't see any reason why you should be hating people for being recipients of charity. There is no obligation for them to give back. What do you hate? That they aren't doing something they are under no obligation to do, which is arguably fully within their ethical boundaries?
I don't care how many they win. In that case, I wouldn't care. If the person is following the rules and behaving appropriately, why should I care how many wins that users has?
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40/5... I check guy from yesterday and he have 32/0... Its not normal by me. There is no any "give back" rule... I never support peoples like this... Anybody myst give games to others... If all peoples be leechers nobody can win :D leechers are instantly blacklisted by me. If he take 30 games and give 0 he feel something good? Woow peoples giving me free games :3 i never create ga with no level. Sry eng. But is all about i hate this behavoir like give it to me!!! You win game? Give any game back... 1 ratio cca no 0.005 ratio :DD take and give its fair by me
If someone wants support leechers its his choice... But peoples like you (sorry) never recieve game from me.
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If all peoples be leechers nobody can win
And if everyone was giving away but not entering into giveaways, nobody would win either. There are two vital roles in any giveaway site: contributors and winners. If you are one or the other, you are fulfilling a role on the site and ensuring that it continues to thrive. This includes so-called "leechers", though I'm convinced that you don't actually understand the meaning of that term. It is preferable if you are both, but nobody is under any obligation to be both. In fact, nobody is under any obligation to be either. It is the decision of each and every individual to use this site and fulfill whichever role they wish. I, for example, have fulfilled both by being both a winner and contributor; I have participated in charity as both a recipient and benefactor.
Rather than respecting this, you appear to instead demand that users must fulfill both roles in equal measures (or give more than they win) in order to qualify as worthy to participate in your giveaways. Not only is this an unreasonable expectation, but you are unfairly restricting your giveaways in such a way that "charity" no longer seems to apply. In other words, your giveaways are hardly worth being considered charity, since you actively punish those who participate in it as recipients if they don't meet your arbitrary and indefensible criteria. If your giveaways aren't charity, then it would be an insult to call them giveaways. Perhaps trading or gambling are more suitable activities for you.
But is all about i hate this behavoir like give it to me!!!
In case you weren't aware, that's a vital part of any charity. What is a charity if there are no recipients who wish to receive charity? When you enter into a giveaway, what are you doing? Your entry is a tacit statement that you wish to become the recipient of that gift. You are saying, in so many words, "give it to me!". It sounds mightily sanctimonious of you to be criticizing others for wanting to win games while engaging in that exact same activity. In the future, I recommend you not enter into any more giveaways—not a single one. If you do, you're a hypocrite.
You win game? Give any game back... 1 ratio cca no 0.005 ratio :DD take and give its fair by me
It sounds to me that you simply want to extort games from others. With all due respect, you appear to have no conception of charity, nor do you understand how this site works. You are free to abuse your blacklist to punish people all you want, but in the end, you're committing a greater injustice in doing so than those users are in not giving away.
If someone wants support leechers its his choice... But peoples like you (sorry) never recieve game from me.
This is a charity site, not a torrenting community or a gambling den. Once you finally grok that simple fact, perhaps you'll earn respect from others. Until then, keep your games. I have no interest in the forced charity you seem to peddle, and I would never want to accept any gifts from a person who expects me to reciprocate the favor. Such individuals clearly don't understand what a "gift" is.
Keep me on your blacklist. You're doing me a favor.
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"This is a charity site" ? You are kid with no money or homeless if you need charity? (no offence, normal question)
I say my enh isnt well so idk if i say what i mean in reality... It does not matter, take much and give nothing or very less games is embarrassing by me. If you need donate, go to employment department or be ultra poor :D if you have some money i mean its nice, give something back to community, or no?
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You are kid with no money or homeless if you need charity?
As I've already addressed elsewhere, the definition of "charity" is broad and difficult to ascertain. Charity, broadly defined, is the act of voluntarily giving to another, especially the poor(er) or less fortunate. Both fall under that definition.
It does not matter, take much and give nothing or very less games is embarrassing by me.
Why is it embarrassing? Why should it be?
If you need donate, go to employment department or be ultra poor :D
Life is not that simple, nor are the lives living it. I think you know that, so I won't even bother explaining the error in this assertion.
if you have some money i mean its nice, give something back to community, or no?
It is nice indeed. Actually, it's very nice and I appreciate it every time someone does that. But it's not necessary, and I'm especially not going to punish people who do not. Why should I?
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Its within the rules. He's done nothing wrong at all.
If you don't like these types of people, level your giveaways. simple really.
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I know here is no any rule about win or give ratio.... By you nothing wrongy, by me yop.
Yes i giving only with levels :) never give agin without (any) requirement.
"You give nothing? You get nothing." its my mind. (Give, and it shall be given)
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Nice "community" judges others on what money they have. Don't get me wrong I understand your initial point of people who have no intention of giving anything back that kinda kills the vibe of giving, but there are people who really can't give back should they be banned from the site for how their life is going? Me personally I havn't gave much and would 100% love to constantly give away games. The whole do stuff to get(free) games to then give away I've seen people who don't like this maybe it was just cuz the ga was an indiegala code., not everybody even has the knowledge that places like TB are even a thing(first time I've heard of it) I do agree if you have 0 intention of giving anything ever then you suck but it's not such a cut n dry topic, to many variables, now my lil brain hurts.
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"Nice "community" judges others on what money they have."
Since when does the "community" do this? All I see is a handful of its members voicing a variety of opinions...
Besides, there are plenty of other ways of contributing which do not involve giving away games.
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So these people voicing there opinions aren't members of the community? I used the term community to not have to mention every single name and all the other threads that mention the same thing are not done by community members? it was a broad term to describe things. Thread is about giving away games not about contributing.
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They are members of the community.
So are you.
So am I.
Does every individual represent the views of the "community"?
If my favourite colour is green and yours is red, what is the community's favourite colour, and does that make it a nice or nasty community?
I don't know...
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I did use giveaways as an example. However my point was about contributing to the community
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I really thought this would be a sarcastic post, but apparently it isn't.
I don't think there's an actual rule that says you have to give something in order to receive something for free. I don't see why people are so pissed off by "leechers" or people with no giveaways since you wouldn't be able to join any at level 0, without any giveaways, if it actually was a rule. Really, a lot, if not most people that play video games are teenagers, including me. Teenagers don't tipically have incomes or access to a lot of money from their parents, and even 18+ gamers (or casual players) might have other finiancial priorities rather than paying for expensive virtual entertainment not only for themselves, but also people they've never met.
If you feel like it's unfair, then it's your choice to make giveaways available to people with a certain level, but you really shouldn't blame others for being unable OR not wanting to invest in others.
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Exactly. Sadly, similar threads pop up all the time.
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Many people already stated that they are in shitty financial situations and still are able to give away games. Even your prime example is proven to be false since some people here said that they are teenagers with no income.
If everyone would say that they don't want to spend money on expensive virtual entertainment for people they don't know you would have nothing to enter. Your mindset is everything that is wrong with this community.
Why should ANYONE invest in YOU then?
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Hey, nobody is forced to give out anything. I don't understand why this community feels like somebody is FORCED to give something in order to receive something, considering this is a GIVEAWAY site. If you want to give something for free, you shouldn't expect to surely receive something back. If you want to be 100% sure you get something back, you should trade, not give away games. You are not forced to give your money on other people, but if you want to do that, people will be thankful.
Some people truly want to give away because it makes them happy to make someone else happy, some do it to get to a higher level so that they have more chances, and some just give them away because they got them in bundles, or from a friend etc and they don't want it.
*Edit: Also, in my context, I mentioned that some people here might not have financial possibilities to buy entertainment forms for other people when they have other, important things to spend their money on (bills, rent, car, fuel, loans etc). Everyone thinks differently, so don't worry, the site won't be full of people who don't want to spend money on others either, even though that's not what I was talking about.
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It's not about expecting something in return. Who can assure someone to win when they give something away? Noone, winning is completely random. It is about people that just take and take and most people aren't even thankful when they win, they don't say a single word. If you give away some games, especially some that cost a few bucks more than the usual bundle, you'll understand the frustration that those people generate.
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+1
Exactly my take on it. I don't care if I get nothing back, but if I do win something I say thanks. And if I won a lot my conscience would tell me to either give something back, OR, let others have a chance instead. As you say, it's the ones who take, take, take and then show no gratitude, which can leave a bad taste, even for the most generous and kind-hearted people.
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On this site in particular, if someone wins a lot, it usually means they spend a lot of time here too, so they end up in the forums too. I assume that after realizing there are real people giving away things, if they really won a bunch of games or that are worth quite a bit, they eventually feel uncomfortable, and they do end up giving anyway.
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It usually annoys me when I see that the winners of my giveaways are online but not reedeming/accepting the gift, but I wouldn't blame anyone that hasn't given out anything if they won my giveaway, really.. People who don't like that can just make all of their giveaways available only to people who have a certain level and up.
Being thankful for receiving something doesn't necessarily mean giving something back to the community, they can be thankful through other actions, like literally thanking, helping others, making useful threads etc. I could also go on with things like giving away stuff doesn't necessarily mean they've expressed their thankfulness and so on but that's pretty pointless here, or so I consider.
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When I was speaking about people not being grateful I was saying that they don't thank for winning literally.
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Oh, well that's another thing, but I assumed you were talking about spending to give because of the thread, my mistake.
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Shitty situation in the US and Germany doesn't equal shitty situation everywhere.
Ask that two hundred thousand immigrants that arrived to your country this year alone what "shitty situation" actually means.
Also, teenagers with no income = teenagers living from parents' money. Kids who didn't experience what does it mean when you really have no income.
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You don't know anything about me to say that german weltschmerz doesn't compare to anything else and do you expect someone who just fled from a war torn country to immediately have a PC and join this website? We are not talking about homelessness or being a refugee. We are sharing luxury goods here, having a PC and Steam to access it is the requirement as an account needs a minimum value of games on its account to be eligible to join.
Even when they live off of money from their parents they can still sell cards or scrap a buck together, that's no different than being unemployed, because those teenagers often have everything going for them while they need to pay bills and buy food with the money they have. Not saying that every teenager lives in the upper middleclass tho. Still it's no excuse not to have even 20 cents left for a game.
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Yes, the nerve of some people. They DARE to not live in the world's richest country and may earn 350 USD with utilities costing 120 USD and monthly rent costing another 100. And the DARE to buy such trivialities like food and clothing and hope to win free stuff here instead of giving away games.
Truly the scum of the Earth.
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Drama lvl over 9000 :D
I think those people you are talking about DARE to download games from torrents :D
Also it looks like we are talking about guys like this one http://www.steamgifts.com/user/BTOOOM who have some 465 games on their account :D and not about those poor guys who cannot afford buying sth.
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All of you people with zero giveaways need to step it up.
No, it seems to me this is a very general term aimed at everyone with zero giveaways. And as somebody said, this is at least the second similar thread in the past few days, only this one's starting post is more aggressive in nature. People really seem to miss this whole "this is a charity site" aspect.
In some cases, completely.
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Oh... I definitely have some issues with concentration :D
Now after I read the OP's post again I do see that :D
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So, what, in your opinion, is this site then? Because, to my knowledge, we call these things giveaways here. As in giving away. I don't see any indication in "giving away" that implies "put something back". That is called trading and there are plenty other sites for that. And I think anyone who wants something given back for putting in a game can use any of those trade sites instead of spreading negativity and bitching in a community. Because that is more toxic and harmful than some leecher. People tolerate freeloaders but usually boot any naysayer out of any community.
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You know what. I typed a text explaining myself, telling about why I registered and how this community has proven me wrong in terms of what I thought this website would be about, but it won't change a thing. Yeah, maybe it's toxic but I am just tired and sick of this. I used to get joy out of giving to people but now it's just regret when people don't even thank you for winning.
You are naive to believe those people all mean good and are not just here to take and take until there is nothing left. Agree to disagree, go on with your crusade. It won't change how I will behave or what I am thinking of those people.
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Oh, I'm perfectly aware some people are just abusing the system and hoard.
But here is the catch: I don't care.
Nobody, not you, not me are forced to give away. We do what we do because some good may come out of it. Same as any charity– whether you agree or disagree if this site is charity or not.
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Yeah this was actually a challenge. You know how when people do charities say so and so has a x challenge.
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I don't think it matters that much, they lose out on the best giveaways any way.
Although it's very true, I managed to level up using mostly budget bundle games... they cost less than a can of coke. I guess some people really can't afford a can of coke...
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OP, I'll bump you with pleasure! Youre hitting the nails not the wood :-))
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I don't like 0 level people as well, so all I do is I no longer make 0 level giveaways. You all will start making at least level 1 giveaways, even with groups, and the problem is resolved.
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Btw for people that dont like their giveaways won by said OP 0.00$ contributors those can easily be countered by changing the level requirement of the giveaways to 1+ or 2+.
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Bitching about something is always easier and makes you feel superior to a small degree. :)
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You should learn about internet jokes sometimes. Actually you should learn about real life jokes first.
Try to watch some comedy show, sitcoms, stand up comedy etc. etc.
Or never mind, sense of humor is something you get born with...
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Why do you think i am afraid of something or someone. No, i don't hide behind my monitor.
I am too big to hide behind small monitor :D
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good for you resourceful people. i given away one game. i still count it as given even though it got negated by the system as regifting. But before you say anything i given away a solid number of games on both here and other sites without making a proper giveaway. because i think that we need those at times too. unconditional gifting. that's all i got to say on this subject for now.
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Back to the altruism vs trade dilemma.
Very interesting.
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I would probably be able to make a few giveaways even without an income. The reason why I don't is because some people don't necessarily play the game you've given them and I find that just sad. I'd rather make a gift to trustworthy friends that will enjoy playing it.
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The reason why I don't is because some people don't necessarily play the game you've given them and I find that just sad
Dude. You realize you've only played like, 2 of the 15 games you've won? Epic hypocrisy. Use a better excuse for why you don't make giveaways next time.
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Now I don't know if you really considered that to be an excuse, because it's not, just what I felt by looking at the majority of people using this website, including me. I apologize if it seemed like I was excluding myself from the rest of the leechers, no excuse there, I agree with you.
What I was trying to say is that although I'm an opportunist, I don't see why I should let fellow leechers get rewarded for their "efforts" when I can rely on friends that really want to try out the game I'm giving away. I don't deserve as much games than any other contributor, but I think I have the right to decide whether or not I want to let other leechers the chance to win yet another game that they will farm for cards.
Looking forward to play Psychonauts in the future though, it's just a matter of time.
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you dont know how i feel mate
i just won my first game here after 2300 entered and already level 3... :(
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A counter argument could be made that people who can easily afford the games they enter giveaways for shouldn't enter those giveaways because it takes away from someone who might not be able to afford it from winning.
Truth is, this is a giveaway site where people can come and give things away if they want. Personally, I could care less if a 'leecher' wins my giveaways because the whole point of my giveaway is to give something away for free. I can understand if someone feels upset that a winner could be taking advantage of their generosity but.. at the same time.. I feel if you are giving something away for free you shouldn't expect anything back. Not even a thanks. If it does bother you though, luckily we have the ability to blacklist users so that is a good option.
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Couldn't. You couldn't care less.
Sorry, pet peeving up in here xP
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Where or how did the trendy (but utterly meaningless in its context) use of 'could' start anyway, I wonder? It is rapidly heading towards a spot in my peeve list too :p
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Hey, you never know, maybe I could still care less :p
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Sorry if this was someohow mentioned, but I don't feel like reading whole thread. I hope you will understand.
I won't elaborate much I just wanted to say one thing - don't generalize people. Of course some people are only here to leech and they will enter anything, just for +1 game on steam, even if they won't ever play it. But, I'm sure there might be people who really can't contribute. I know it's only 1$ on HB but still. Imagine someone who is in hard situationn and really have to count every penny but they have pc and internet. Yes but maybe this is old pc and internet is something really important, for example for job hunting. Just don't assume that everyone have to 'step up' because I belive that there might be very hard situation that we have no idea about.
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Forks? Castles?
If you want something, use full sentences.
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If someone can't spare 30 seconds to write a full sentence I won't waste my time to answer him.
Like I said, if you want somethin - use full sentences. If not, I will just asume this is some poor attemp on trolling and will ignore it.
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Things I believe:
- Nobody should have to make a giveaway here, I'm totally fine with those who don't
- There's hardly anyone here who couldn't make a giveaway if they wanted to
- Nobody should feel obliged to justify why they don't make giveaways. It doesn't matter.
- When someone does try to justify it with anything but "I just don't want to" they're probably lying.
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All of you people with zero giveaways need to step it up. Here I am a guy with 0 income and i'm almost level 2........ What's your excuse?
So yeah there is a little something more than just a plain old rant. However I wanted to stir the pot just a bit so that maybe just maybe I could get some people in here for this crappy game :)
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/eXT40/sacraboar
Also I really don't care one way or another. I personally think if you join a community you should give something back after so much is given. Lets say you have a field of rice if you keep taking and taking and you never once turn around and put one or two seed back into your field you'll eventually run out of rice. Maybe just maybe one of those leechers might see this and start contributing and become a part of the community who knows. Now come on bump this thing there are more coming!
Anyone wanna play driftmoon
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