Depends on where you live. Around 700 USD for American prices can be a nice enough entry-level PC without too many compromises for 720p gaming even on new titles. You can go as low as 550-600 USD and as high as 1000 USD to remain within reasonable amounts. But in Europe and South America, the same stuff may be considerable more expensive. In Asia, sometimes cheaper. (Sometimes.)
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i'm in the united states and man. I was doing research and around $700 was what i got too. i was hoping i was overshooting haha. The funny part is if i save up for the next few months and get a grand like i want then my computer will have cost me more than my flippin' car XD
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Well, it depends on how tight you are. If really tight, you can think of a system like this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | AMD A8-7670K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor | $104.89 @ OutletPC |
| CPU Cooler | Noctua NH-L9x65 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler | $46.95 @ Newegg |
| Motherboard | ASRock FM2A88X PRO3+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard | $57.55 @ Newegg |
| Memory | Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $33.88 @ OutletPC |
| Storage | AMD 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $77.86 @ Amazon |
| Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $41.00 @ Amazon |
| Case | Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case | $67.98 @ Newegg |
| Power Supply | Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply | $61.98 @ Amazon |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $517.09 | |
| Mail-in rebates | -$25.00 | |
| Total | $492.09 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-15 12:28 EDT-0400 |
If you can spare 700 USD, you can think like this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | Intel Core i3-6300 3.8GHz Dual-Core Processor | $141.99 @ SuperBiiz |
| CPU Cooler | CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler | $43.53 @ Amazon |
| Motherboard | ASRock H170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard | $79.98 @ Newegg |
| Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory | $63.99 @ Newegg |
| Storage | Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $94.00 @ B&H |
| Storage | Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $43.00 @ Amazon |
| Video Card | Sapphire Radeon RX 460 4GB NITRO Video Card | $137.99 @ SuperBiiz |
| Case | Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case | $67.98 @ Newegg |
| Power Supply | SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $54.99 @ Newegg |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $737.45 | |
| Mail-in rebates | -$10.00 | |
| Total | $727.45 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-15 12:43 EDT-0400 |
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Personally I wouldn't include an SSD in a minimum build.
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I second this. Personally I would not include the SSD and use the money to get an I5-6600 instead the I3-6300 for the Intel-Build.
For the AMD build I would go for an Athlon X4 880K and some cheap Sapphire RX 460.
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i3 and i5 in terms of gaming has too small of a difference to justify the almost double price point.
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I'd much rather have a better cpu or graphics card than saving 30 seconds or so when I boot up.
EDIT: And/or go for a bigger HD, but that depends on whether the OP'd actually want to use that much space.
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It's not just boot time. Anything that uses HDD a lot. Including web browsing, opening any kind of executable, file operations… you know, everyday usage stuff. Try to work on a PC with an SSD, then try to go back to a HDD. You'd tear your hair out, it is that slow.
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Yeah I'd have to agree. The difference between HD and SSD is like night and day.
Startup times, game loading times, moving files, installing programs. It makes a huge difference. It's one of the best upgrades you can make to a PC, especially since the prices are far more reasonable these days. That said, you can always start off with a normal HD then add an SSD later. Having a normal one for storage is pretty much required anyway.
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I have. My new PC has an ssd, but I still use my old laptop sometimes without one. Boot times are fine as long as it's a decent hd. Obviously ssd's are faster, and when you're not going for a minimum build they should be there, but I prioritize better performance when I'm actually running programs and games than saving time starting them up.
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I still use my old laptop sometimes
yes but to game and do tasks that actually use the hard drive? or just to browse around on the internet where it uses ram>hdd/sdd?
sry. i agree with the sdd side tbh tho. i stole my wifes sdd (240gb) just so i could have a 2nd sdd and gave her my 1tb hdd cause i much perfer speed>size. now she gets mad at me when she trys to play games, but doesn't even notice otherwise.
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I do, yes.
Again, I'm not denying the benefits of SSD's. But when there's already an HDD in the build it's just a bonus; it doesn't need to be there when the objective of the build is saving money. Along the lines of what you said, if the OP doesn't want a lot of space, then ditching the HDD and going for a bigger SSD would be a viable option.
EDIT: I especially don't think it's worth it being only 120gb, that's not much more than a boot drive. Unless he doesn't have much of a library most of his games are going on the hd. So yeah, I'm sticking to cutting out the ssd or ditching the hd and investing that in a bigger ssd.
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i hear you and im not arguing that really. in a minimum build i would have to agree entirely.
making sure you get a reasonable cpu & gpu is more important, personally i'd just try and cutback a hair on each enough to make sure the sdd got squeezed in one way or the other if it can be helped. even if its only a 120gb just enough for os and 1-2 large games, then the rest of the games would have to get installed on hdd. or no hdd at all and only a larger sdd yeah. i personally just use usb hdd for storage. =)
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hehe on your edit =) total contrary to me. but at least we both totally agree a large sdd only would be best =)
i do understand what you mean on 120gb, it would be a total pain to manage which 1-2 (maybe 3-4?) games went on the sdd and which went on the hdd.. but id want the windows and my top most computer intense games on it, then the rest can be on hdd or maybe rotated out occasionally =)
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You're pretty awesome for putting that together for what I assume is a random forum post from a person you don't know.
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~I'd much more likely get more RAM than 8GB (8 gigs nowadays is bare minimum) and maybe slightly better CPU than invest in SSD in cheap gaming setup. He will end up having his Steam Folder on Storage drive anyway, SSD in such case is unecesarry luxury - he may wait a little longer to load his OS but run his games better instead. SSD is imho considerable when you build at least mid-end setup and even then if I had to choose between GPU/CPU/RAM |I'd choose it over SSD.
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8GB is perfectly fine for today's standards and is the easiest component to upgrade.
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I would rather invest that SSD money in a better GPU, and that CPU Cooler money in a better CPU, locked Intel CPUs are fine with stock coolers. SSDs are nice and all but in terms of actual gaming performance an extra 100$ in a better GPU is gonna make the actual huge difference.
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Addendum: the lists above were cobbled together quickly. They are just pointers, as both have plenty mistakes that could be optimised further. :)
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Is buying any component used an option for you? Then you can easily get decent mid / high range (gaming) performance for 700 bucks.
(@talgaby: no offense, but those two builds are horrible :/)
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European fees are like.....................................................................................................................................................................................
I don't even know ç_ç
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My brother paid about 500 USD for his and it has really strong stuff. Although he did get everything on sale and in bundles. He can run games like Fallout 4 on High graphics as well.
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That gets you a big ass gamingrig, not what the OP is looking for
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800€ then? Lowest card I would suggest would Be GTX 960.
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The 4G version, or the RX 470 4G. Wouldnt go lower than that myself to.
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Well, I prefer Nvidia products myself, never had an AMD card, though I do look at benchmarks and see if AMD is stronger, if it's not by much or they are the same speed I normally just go for Nvidia.
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Same, just depends on personal preference.
I've had a bad experience with an AMD card so since then sticking to Nvidia.
A friend of mine had the opposite and sticking to AMD.
Both are fine but sometimes youre just unlucky.
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Yeah true, I would never get an AMD CPU though, small chance I'll ever get an AMD GPU but never ever will I get an AMD CPU maybe I'll look different at it when they release ZEN.
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don't buy a PC for play at lowerst graphics the games or the next month you will have a potato PC wait more time and buy a decent PC
arround 1.5K euros it's a really potent PC that will work during arround 8 years easy at max graphics all games.
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No video card has existed in the past 20 or so years that could run any new game at max graphics 8 years after its purchase. Heck, it is difficult to find one that can do it for 3-4 years at most, and even that is thanks to the gaming industry being held back for half a decade because Sony and Microsoft didn't really let it go forward too much.
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8 years..........................................................................................................................................you would even make dead man laugh. xD
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my PC have 8 years and i just need to change my graphic card for play all games at max graphics.
so yes, 8 years.
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Then the PC didn't last you 8 years if you needed to change the GPU, the most expensive part... lol
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lol??? the most expensive part he say..... jajajajajajajja you don't know nothing about PC if you say that... xDD not going to lose my time trying to make you learn something. so cya and continue dremaing in your world xDDD
jajajaja really... jajajajajaja the most expensive part... jajajajajajajaja
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People think your story sounds fishy. I agree.
Detailing the eight-year-old hardware in your PC should makes things quite easy.
You must have a Core 2 Extreme, Quad, or Duo, yeah? How well do they turtle GTA V?
Tell us about your hardware.
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look wiki for know the dates of microprocessors ^^ you will know it!
how i told this guy don't know nothing about PC and just think he need the better hardware in the market to run at max graphics the games.
when he learn a bit more he will save thousands of $. but i'm not going to tell him how to do it. he don't know the basics.... too much work.....
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I did. That's why I asked about Core 2 processors.
But you do realize that upgrading the GPU nullified your original claim, right? You weren't running max graphics eight years later with a 2008 GPU.
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fuck, guy really..... seriously... read all the fucking conversation..... you upgrade the graphics card after arrund 8 years..... how blind can you be???
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Relax.
If you were using a GPU from 2008 until 2016 you were not playing the most demanding new games maxed out.
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Still using X58 mobo + i7 920 bough at the beginning of 2009.
Upgraded gpu from gtx285 to gtx970. (yep, nothing in between)
Also added bunch of hdd's and much more RAM (but that wasn't related to gaming)
So not 8 years, but close enough. Fallout 4 looked & worked great (without raygods ofc) :)
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I just liked needling Akzeriuth as his original claim that you can buy hardware and eight years later play new games with maxed settings is hilarious.
I was still rockin' a Phenom II X2 until last fall. Would be all right if I wasn't a gamer, but I didn't like trying to play Grand Turtle Auto V.
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Well, that 285 was enough to max the graphics of all the games I wanted to play :)
But in all seriousness, buying top-tier can last you quite a long time. Not maxed out, but decent quality and fps. Usually not 8 years, but if you play Civilization type games... :)
I'd even risk the guess that average quality and money spent will be the same for long kept top-tier gpu and string of mid/low tier cards bought every now and then.
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Yeah, things can last a good while. The key thing is to (within your own preferences) go for a good price/performance ratio.
Been an AMD guy always, but I needed to upgrade so I went Skylake i5. Didn't buy a K series processor because I know me; I'm not going to overclock.
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Or max performance at fixed budget and power draw - 970 was a blessing for the ears :) So no radeon cards until I find quiet air cooling for those power hogs
Smart move, operating specs are defined for a reason (both longevity and random processing errors)
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If the GPU wasn't the most expensive part then what CPU/motherboard did you have that lasted 8 years at max graphics?
An Intel Extreme processor for 1000€ alone?
The way you wrote it doesn't make sense. And your answer to Mancsoulja just makes you look like an arrogant person.
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people like Mancsoulja make other people spend more than they need, soo yes, i don't care if i look like an arrogant person. better that thant make people lose a lot of money for something they don't need.
how i told arround 1.5K euros you have a potent PC to play at max graphics during arround 8 years. and you just need to change your graphic card.
but ehh people continue spending thousand of $ every year for a new PC it's your money!!!!
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Actually you didn't tell much.
You didn't say what your components were.
You didn't give any real info that may help the OP.
And where did Mancsoulja tell him to spend more?
You're the one who wrote 1500€
And now people ask questions you hide behind arrogant, snide, stupid remarks.
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And now people ask questions you hide behind arrogant, snide, stupid remarks.
just 2 maked a question,HerBrokenHeart and you the rest of trolling people just keep doing what they know, troll. Don't generalice and read all you are "distorting" the things like politics do.
And where did Mancsoulja tell him to spend more?
where i said something like that??? you are saying and accuse to me for something i don't do it.....
for start people started trolling because i "said" that just the graphic card hold the max graphics during 8 years (ONE THING i never said) but how i told, trolls only know one thing, troll. and people read what they want.
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I asked a question too. I'm not trolling. I asked politely and respectfully because I'm genuinely curious about the answer.
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and hold i told you looking to know what graphic card can hold a 8 years PC (and just a graphic card can't do nothing, but not going to teach/show/say to anyone how to build a PC for play during arround 8 years at max graphics, not after that all trolling and accuses)
and also how i told i NEVER said that just a graphic card can hold a PC at max graphics, NEVER.
all people followed the message of talgaby
No video card has existed in the past 20 or so years that could run any new game at max graphics 8 years after its purchase. Heck, it is difficult to find one that can do it for 3-4 years at most, and even that is thanks to the gaming industry being held back for half a decade because Sony and Microsoft didn't really let it go forward too much.
but don't readed my message. so why i need to take my time for answer them??? it's easy to find a troll people. not going to follow the "game" for them.
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I mean this politely, but perhaps the problem is with your English. You wrote "arround 1.5K euros it's a really potent PC that will work during arround 8 years easy at max graphics all games." Even though I know you didn't mean it that way (because you just said so), that looks like you claimed you'd built a machine that could run everything at max graphics for 8 years without being upgraded.
Given that that's what it looked like, it isn't very surprising that that's what people thought you meant. Nobody was trolling. They took your words exactly the way they looked.
Then, when you wouldn't answer questions, people started suspecting you were lying, and covering it by shouting (the way many liars do).
The whole thing's been a miscommunication it seems. But perhaps you should calm down a bit and actually answer people's questions. They're not trying to troll you. They just didn't understand you.
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1- i'm talking about euros (not dollar or other money, euros)
2-people started to reply my message because another guy make them understand that whit just one graphics card (don't matter the price etc..) i can hold a PC during 8 years. one thing that i never said.
3-and yes, whit 1.5K you can build a PC (hardware, whitout count the monitor) that can hold a PC during arround 8 years, but if you (and whit you i mean all people not you exactly) like buy expensive company items just because you (and whit you i mean all people not you exactly) want to "be a gamer" whit the more cool PC tower that cost 400$ and mouse and keyboard that cost 150$ each one, then no it's imposible to make a PC whit 1.5K
but ehhh i'm sure people it's enough inteligent to understand i'm talking about only the components in the PC tower
hope i explained well because you are the really only guy that talked nice whitout troll etc....
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Thanks for explaining. I get that you're giving prices in Euros. I'd expect you to.
Regarding (2): you wrote "a really potent PC that will work during arround 8 years". On here, people interpret that as meaning one PC build -- they're not counting it as the same PC if you change components. So, to them, it looks like you're claiming your computer lasted 8 years without changing components. It wasn't Talgaby's fault they thought that. They would have taken it that way anyhow. (I took it that way until I read your other posts.)
And yeah, I agree, you can build a machine for a lot cheaper if you don't buy all that fancy stuff. But here's one thing I still don't understand: what costs more than the GPU? You laughed at the guy who said the GPU was the most expensive part. But for me it was. So I'm curious what costs more for you.
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microprocessor and motherboards always. they are the most important, so here it's where you need to expend more.
graphic cards it's easy to change after 8 years. but this both things depend of them and if you buy another microprocessor then sometimes you need to buy another motherboard too, and also new RAM if isn't compatible. and viceversa.
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Ah, ok. Thanks.
For me the GPU cost a little more than $300 (American), while the motherboard cost about $140 and the processor ~$170. So if you count them separately the GPU was more than either one. But, if you count them together, motherboard and GPU were more (about $310).
I think the people here who were puzzled by your remark were counting them separately.
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the problem here, it's the people think the graphic card it's the most important thing and they think they need the best model in the market. how wrong they are....... really wrong....... memory RAM (until 8 GB) it's more important than graphic card i can't say more.
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Gotcha. But RAM is pretty inexpensive. I put 16 GB in my new machine for only around $100. Perhaps I didn't spring for the really good stuff though. (Well, I know I didn't...)
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yep for low money you get a lot of power, but ehhh it's more easy to troll people when they don't know how do it, instead of say sometimes like please can you tell me how you do it???
but well, this is how is the 80% of people this times......
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But nobody said RAM wasn't important, at least not that I noticed. They just said it costs less than a good GPU, that it was less expensive, (which seems to be true).
Seriously, nobody in this thread was trolling (that I've seen). You misunderstood them, and they misunderstood you. But nobody was trolling anybody.
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i don't said that anyone said RAM isn't important xD
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I know. I'm just pointing out that the other people in this thread and you actually agree.
You got really mad at some people, and they got mad at you. I'm trying to convince you that nobody was trolling, nobody set out to misinterpret you, and it doesn't even look like people disagree with you about anything important about building PCs. So there's no reason to be angry. :)
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What he says and your answers are world's apart! how the hell do you understand him?
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He's an angry little person and half of what he says is hilarious.
but ehh people continue spending thousand of $ every year for a new PC it's your money!!!!
That's what he said. Because there are people who spend (at least) a thousand every year. He's comparing riding out hardware for years with bleeding edge enthusiasts. That's silly.
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After reading nimblemongoose I feel like Akzeriuth doesn't mean exactly what he writes. for example
microprocessor and motherboards always. they are the most important, so here it's where you need to expend more.
And according to the rest of the talk that meant that CPU+mobo should be more expensive then single GPU and not CPU>GPU + MOBO>GPU.
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Not only does he not necessarily mean what he writes, I don't think he knows what he writes. He certainly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Any PC gamer worth a damn knows that the GPU is the critical expense for a gaming machine.
$150 CPU + $75 Mobo + $75 RAM + $400 GPU > $300 CPU + $150 Mobo + $150 RAM + $100 GPU.
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You wrote:
"people like Mancsoulja make other people spend more than they need"
Where did he write that?
"HerBrokenHeart and you the rest of trolling people just keep doing what they know, troll. Don't generalice"
Do what you preach.
"and people read what they want"
Yes. You do.
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"people like Mancsoulja make other people spend more than they need"
use your brain and you will understand. if someone say it's imposible to make a PC of cost 1.5K euros for 8 years it's obviously making other people think they need to spend more money for do it. so yes, he said that whit him commentary.
"and people read what they want"
and no, i don't read what i want.
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"Use your brain"
And again the stupid remarks.
I don't know if it's acceptable where you come from to insult people in discussions but you won't make many friends here.
Anyway, end of discusion for me.
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nice now i insulted you.. the truth hurts eh.. and yes this discussion it's over.
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You really don't have a clue, I have one of the latest CPU's and motherboards - 6700K and an Asus Maxius VIII Hero, both together cost about $350, That wouldn't even buy a low end GPU. >_<
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You are just a child.
Im a IT-Specialist for Systemintegration and i've enough to do with Components for PC's.
CPU / GPU are the expensives part on pc. JUST on your PC. Besides 144hz monitor or something.
Try to act like a dult instead of a 11 year old Kid "ajajajajajajaj"
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yeah and i'm an astronaut!!!
i say what i said because i'm doing right now i just need to change my actual graphic card after my arround 8 years PC for play again at max graphics the games.
so if you really work asIm a IT-Specialist for Systemintegration you should study more and test the things, not all are in books
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Ok, so I'm watching this debate and wondering: what part of his PC was more expensive?
I don't claim to know much about PC hardware. Just a little bit. I did build myself a system last year, though I needed a lot of help. So I'm not challenging your know-how when I ask: what should be expected to cost more than the GPU? (On mine the GPU was the most expensive component.)
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I'm not sure about the prices for PC components where you are from, but for me the GPU was the most expensive part (as you can see here). From my experience the CPU or GPU are usually the most pricy components, so in that regard I believe that both you and MancSoulja are partially correct (he/she believes that it's the GPU while you believe it's the CPU or motherboard). The problem seems to be that you both have conflicting views as to what the most expensive part of a PC is:
MancSoulja
the GPU, the most expensive part... lol
You
lol??? the most expensive part he say..... jajajajajajajja you don't know nothing about PC if you say that...
In a nutshell, I think that you might be relying a little too much on your own experience regarding the price of certain parts. Just because the GPU wasn't the most expensive part of your computer doesn't mean that's true for MancSoulja, or me (or a lot of people). Considering this, I don't see why you think MancSoulja is ignorant when it comes to building PC's. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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My PC cost 1,3k euros and didn't run games at max setting when I bought it 6-7 years ago. What's your build?
Can your 8 year old PC run Battlefield 1 on ultra?
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depends where you live.
over here, like $400-500 for an amd cpu pc + a video card like a gtx 960 (which is around $300).
not a gaming pc... but it's that or aim over $1500 for something decent.
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not a gaming pc
Well, that depends on how you look at it. If you use a pc mostly for gaming (and it can handle it well), I'd say it's a gaming pc.
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considering the builds i see everywhere, this could have been a gaming pc in 2011. xD
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Around 1k for a rig that wont be obsolete within a few months.
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Dont do what many here are suggesting, spending 1500 or more. Its totally not worth it. Youre paying an extra 500 for about 5% better performance. What you need is bang-for-bucks. Check the 2nd best equipment and skip the newly released hardware. Prices drop fast (not as fast as a few years back but still fast).
I spent about 1500 on my first ever gaming rig, and that was without the monitor, mouse and keryboard. I learned my lesson.
When I need an upgrade I always check a Dutch website. They advice setups that for them are considered best-bang-for-bucks.
I never follow blindly what they suggest but it gives a good insight of whats worth it.
Its in Dutch but the language of hardware used is universal ;)
September
Low budget gaming system - 450 euros
Base gaming system, budget 600 euros
Main/high end - depending on your monitor size - 1200 euros
It pays off to search for the best deals. Sometimes its cheaper to buy it from one store. But always built it yourself. It aint rocket science, and that way you learn more about the equipment you are packing.
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I'd be tempted to hang around for Black Friday - 1050/Athlon will be out which might usurp the standard answer of i3/460 and you usually see bargains on secondary parts like SSDs. Am in the same boat and shooting for around $500 but we'll see :)
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If you've got leftover parts from your previous computer (like PSU, HDDs, case), you'll be able to get an alright gaming PC for around 500€. And you won't need to play everything on low either. In fact, you'll probably be able to crank it up to high or very high in a lot of games. Going lower end than that won't save you a whole lot of money (about 100€), but it will cost you a whole lot of gaming performance.
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My friend used to have the most disgustingly bad laptop. She got like 15fps in L4D, and L4D2 was even worse, so it wasn't "playable". She finally built a desktop with an AMD A6-5400 and 4GB of RAM. No discrete GPU. She plays KF2. So "minimum" and "new games on lower settings" is relative.
I'd say do not get less than a quad-core (an i3 dual-core with hyperthreading satisfies), and I consider the absence of a discrete GPU to be a somewhat poor area to save for most people.
Mallorn's low budget gaming system link is in the appropriate ballpark.
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the most disgustingly bad laptop
LOL i almost fell out of my seat laughing. beautiful description ^^
tell her on her new build she should try and toss in another 4gb ram, that should make a pretty big jump in performance really.. 4gb is quite low these days.
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Yeah, she's slowly upgrading it. First thing she got was a 1TB drive. I chided her for that: another $15 for 2TB. But still, now she's happy she doesn't have to uninstall stuff to reinstall.
She expects to get RAM or a GPU next I think. I wonder what is the appropriate GPU for her. But I don't pay attention to the low-mid part of the market anymore.
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nice =)
tbh i dont really know either on midrange gpus.. i'd guess there is probably a perfect ati amd card though that would work for a reasonable price, but some other ati amd fanboy/girl would have to chime in here.
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There are often times where below $X Intel and Nvidia are inferior choices to AMD products. I don't think either one of them cares about the bottom of the market; it's allowing a little give at the bottom of the market that allows AMD to make a little money and not fold and keep Intel and Nvidia from having to get busted up as monopolies.
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intel gpu's have gone a long ways from where they used to be, quite a long ways. but i wouldnt say the gpu side is inferior to amd at all tbh.. i mean yes the intel hd 530 will beat her amd apu's hd 7540, but thats comparing intels newest cpus gpu chip to an older amd apu. but certainly so on the CPU side. and on nvidia i agree thats why i didnt even mention them as a mid-range part. sure you could go back a few years to a 880 or something like that by now, but im sure theres an amd card thats equal or cheaper then that even but would still beat it in a benchmark.
edit: lol.. i didnt even realize the $X part.. now that makes more sense what you said... most of what i said is kinda pointless but meh oh well, ill leave it xD
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I was talking CPUs with AMD/Intel. I don't really consider integrated GPUs at all. The gap has lessened but as always integrated is an extremely weak choice if you want to game. Otherwise, it's fine.
And yeah, with GPUs sometimes the most powerful inexpensive card is one from a couple generations back, but I personally am not a fan of intentionally buying a couple generations-old stuff, and generally don't recommend it, though it isn't a bad decision per se. I did once save money on a build by using my current RAM in a new, non-gamer build and just getting more RAM for my own machine. And this is why I never owned DDR3 RAM in my desktop computer. I went from DDR2 to DDR4. Good times.
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yeah my bad, i missed the $X part and read it a little off, it makes much more sense when that is not missing :D
totally agree on not buying older stuff really on purpose. not when it can be helped anyways, but re-using parts deff good when they're still good tech imo =)
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Yeah, I reuse all the time. Generally I used to wait too long to reliably use a GPU or CPU, but passing down RAM has been useful. I think I'll probably want a new GPU next fall and I don't think this 270X will be that bad off then. I run a lot of stuff maxed that I thought I'd have to dial a thing or three down on.
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i got fedup with building desktops personally, everyone can make fun of me all they want i went laptop and don't care ^^
but at least i finally did it right. i was like your friend scraping by with bare minimum to play games till this year really. was used to playing off of amd apu laptops integrated stuff for last few years till this last feb. and went with a asus rog laptop with discrete 960m (and added 2x sdd drives). not killer or anything, but does not have difficulties with games at all either xD
i know it wont last as long as desktop and it cost even more then i could of gotten in desktop form, but i am not disappointed at all =)
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Nah, that's a pretty good gaming laptop.
And yeah, after my initial euphoria and all-around feelgoods building my first desktop years ago, it wore off. It feels good when you upgrade, but cleaning out dust, and fixing other people's software problems, or hardware problems, that's just (sometimes unpaid) work now. I stupidly used to say I liked tinkering with computers years ago (it was fun), and it took a long time before I got people's perception of me fixing computers ("yay!") with the gradual reality ("this is not fun at all, not even when I get paid a decent amount for the work.")
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hehe, yeah. i used to work at the local pc shop. its no longer fun after that really.. ill still do family favors ofc, but i told them not to get me involved with fixing other peoples pcs anymore, lol.
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Yup. Especially when get the same crap malware on their PC again and again, and don't listen to your advice, or keep installing junktastic programs.
My favorite is when someone says, "what PC should I get?" and I tell them, "well, it depends; what are you going to do with it?" I ask them a few questions, outline a thing or two, and tell them when they're ready to actually purchase they can let me know and I'll assist them.
Then later I'll see them and they'll say, "this is the PC I got; is it good?" If you don't know about cars and you ask your car friend for help, you get their assistance at the time of purchase. You don't drive it off the lot to their house to ask them to validate your choice.
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Wait for Black Friday or Cyber Monday like what I did and get a £1200 PC for £800 (it's actually £800 two years later) :3
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($96.24 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($19.68 @ OutletPC)
Total: $993.75
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Sadistic, I don't mean to criticize you because that is largely a very nice build, good choices, but uh... what's that Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer for?
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Well.. I had to use a disk drive to install windows... Er... Yeah... It doesn't work as in I didn't have an extra SATA cable, so its literally just for show XD
But thanks, I ended up adding an extra 8GB RAM and 1T HDD later :3
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Couldn't USB install?
I USB install often. It can be a massive pain in the flesh cushion though, if you don't already know that the computer might act funny about installing from particular USB ports (3.0 ones, especially), but overall it's pretty good. I've had to installed to laptops that didn't even have optical drives before, so it's really useful then. My biggest issue with it was because the flash drive I was using was messed up. That took a bit to figure out.
Still, I joke because while years ago I used to burn a lot for myself for the past few years the only thing I've ever needed to burn for myself are installation discs, and not really, as I mentioned in the above paragraph. But people asking me to burn stuff? Ugh, all the time.
My optical drive was PATA as I didn't want to waste a SATA slot on it when I upgraded mobos years ago. Anyway, I totally forgot that it was PATA when I upgraded to a Skylake mobo, with no PATA of course, so lo and behold, I have no optical drive at all. I love telling people, "I don't have an optical drive." I like my CPU, GPU, and RAM, but I think the best feature after that is the thing I lost by not paying attention to what hardware couldn't make the leap with me.
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XD
I used to have a 336 book of CD/DVDs. And a spindle or two.
Then price-per-gigabyte for HDDs got more and more attractive.
Bought a 4TB drive for $100 around New Year's. I'd rather have that than 700 DVDs or whatever.
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I'll give you only general advices.
First, don't skimp on the PSU, get quality one. This is most important part for stability of the whole build. Also keep in mind PSUs are very social parts, so when they die they take other parts to keep them company on the other side :p
Forget about i7. For gaming it's clock speed that matters, not cores count or hyperthreading.
Look at prices chart - the point where prices are to start skyrocket is close to the sweet spot of performace/price
Last but not least, since you are from US, wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales
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Best bang for budget? Buy used.
Something like this:
$350 USD - Intel i5 4440, 8GB, 120Gb SSD, 1.5TB HDD, Geforce GTX 750Ti, Windows 10
Will run most any current AAA title at 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps. If buying from a reputable dealer, you get well-cared for old computers sometimes with short warranty that pack a lot of value and are still quite capable. Also, in most cases no need to pay for new Windows license, which almost everyone forgets about and leaves out of their total purchase cost.
Proverbial proof in pudding:
Fallout 4 on ultra settings on i5 4440 w/ GTX 750ti (30-60fps @ 1080p)
If you shop around / use craigslist, you can probably find a serviceable i5 desktop and put a 750ti in there for like $150-250. Pair with an old monitor or your HDMI TV and you have a decent gaming PC for less than the cost of a console.
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Well, an i3 6100, a good PSU with 500w tops, the cheapest motherboard you can get WITH the conections you need, a single stick of 8gb of ram, a 1tb HDD and a decent gpu with the money left, 460 or 470
something like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2GLTYr
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Im just gonna answer the first part of the question. Good amount of money? All the muns bby :3
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$600 ($900)
CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 (Intel Core i5-6500)
Mainboard: MSI H110M Pro-D
RAM: 2x Crucial DIMM 4GB DDR4-2133, 1x Crucial DIMM 8GB DDR4-2133 (2x 1x Crucial DIMM 8GB DDR4-2133)
GPU: Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 470 8G (Palit GeForce GTX 1070 Gamerock)
PSU: Xilence Performance A+ Serie 530W
SSD: Samsung 750 Evo 500GB
Case: Sharkoon MA-A1000
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This looks like a good deal.
https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Xtreme-GXiVR8020A-Gaming-Desktop/dp/B01HNBLHAA
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I have a question, and might as well ask it here.
I am still using an i5-2500 with 12 GB RAM and an SSD. Got an HD 7850 inside too. I move around to different countries every few months or annually, and I've just always carried the RAM, GFX, and SSD with me, sold everything else at the same price I got it for, then bought pretty much the same spec system in the next country. Done this three times or so, including in the USA (it was an i-35... something that time though, but only $15 more). The cost for the mobo with processor and all the other stuff is always around just $160, but I get used. The GFX card was $80 on eBay years back, RAM was about the same in Korea 3 years ago, and SSD was too, but I've carried these things over from multiple builds, and also sell off whatever RAM is included in my skeletal systems that I pick up everywhere, so not sure how to count all this up for a total price.
I found that I get no slow-down on games I've played, like Fallout 4, Tomb Raider, and Kerbal Space Program. Settings for first two would be medium I guess, and highest with many graphical mods for the last one.
Is my gear really, really behind? I feel like when I see threads like these, $400 and the lower are considered really low prices for gaming, but to my eye, I've never really had any issues. Or, maybe I have, and my untrained eye just hasn't caught on that I'm playing on a moldy potato. Is it worth going above a bit more the next time I move on, and opening my eyes to the reality of my errant ways, or would there be no real benefit for the kind of games I throw at the machine? Was considering trying out GTA V. Thanks for any tidbits!
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an HD 7850 is a "weak" card. If you like graphics you will notice a really big difference if you upgrade to a better card. That said your card can probably run most games at low settings.
If you want to look at how different games look on good hardware just search for gameplay for one of your favorite titles that you can't run at max. Someone on youtube is probably playing it at max settings.
you can also look at games like witcher 3 and BF4 which look amazing at ultra settings.
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See, I actually used to use an HD 6770 or something like that, which I got 3 years ago in yet another used system for like $220 USD. I compared the jump from the 6770 to the 7850 on one of those "tiering" sites and found it was like 3 "tiers" higher, whatever that might mean. I didn't see much difference but I wasn't looking for too much of one.
I guess I will splurge a bit more, as I'm moving away yet again in a week. Good chance to move on up.
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There probably isn't much of difference between a 6770 and a 7850. Look at following:
GPU naming is always something like XXY0:
Where XX is the generation and Y is the "tier" in the generation.
To notice the difference in graphics you need to go "bigger" on the GPU, like upgrading to R9 380X or a GTX 960 will make a real impact on the graphics of games (if you play graphics intensive games and not strategy games like EU).
Things like AA, shadows and better textures make a really good change.
For example in warhammer total war having higher graphics allow for corpes, seeing paterns in the troops armour, see grass, see dense forest, see particle effects, etc. The game is perfectly playable without those "high end" graphics but those add to the atmosphere. Look at Ryse and see how awesome it looks.
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If you're happy with the performance then it's fine. Not everybody needs full details, anti-aliasing and minimum 60fps.
You CPU is still good, you have loads of RAM and a SSD. The only thing that you may want to upgrade next is the GPU for more visual appeal and performance.
Its like driving a VW Polo. You're happy with it until you've driven a Golf. Then you don't want to go back ;)
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I never even got a driver's license, and don't know anything about cars, but I'm assuming it's like what they say about going black and not going back.
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Was considering trying out GTA V
Here's GTA V on a system similar to yours (your HD 7850 probably similar to 750ti):
GTA V - 1080p HIGH settings w/ i5 2500 & 750ti ~45-90fps
My experience is that what you are doing is the smartest budget-friendly way to enjoy PC gaming, and you should keep doing that until either you have a lot of spare money to spend or you have an actual hands-on experience or reason to need a high-performance system. For hobbyist gaming purposes, there are serious diminishing returns on money spent in computer hardware, and older CPUs paired with last generation mid-range GPUs will give the best cost performance.
Two of my systems:
1) [$2000 - built NEW 2 years ago] The Workstation (used primarily for work tasks)
i7 4790k @ 4.4GHz, fancy mobo, 32GB RAM, Dual SSD in RAID-0, GTX 750ti, New Windows Licence
2) [$350 - bought USED 1.5 years ago] The Hobby System (family all-around computer)
i5 2400 @ 3.1 GHz, 8GB RAM, single boot SSD, GTX 580 3GB, old reusable windows license tied to hardware
While the workstation gives me a big boost in productivity for repetitive work tasks and rendering, for gaming the GTX 580 in the older machine allows it to outperform the workstation in most games I've tried it with. The sense I get is that even if I put a GTX 970 in both machines, the difference in gaming performance for most games would be pretty negligible... certainly not worth the $1650 disparity in cost.
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If you have more time than money and don't mind waiting, you can find good deals with sales or rebates if you piece the computer together over time. I also like to buy my GPUs used off ebay.
I built my computer over 3 years ago, so the parts are a little old now, but this is what I ended up spending. All prices include shipping, most items were shipped free from Newegg and almost every item had a rebate to get to these prices.
$190 - I5 3570k (fastest I5 at the time)
$132.55 - Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H motherboard and 8GB GSkill Sniper RAM
$110 - (used) Zotac GTX 580 Amp Edition (the card was 3 years old already, but I can't spend $550 when it was new. I checked ebay every day for a couple weeks to get this price, they were still selling for $200-250 at the time)
$10 - Zalman CNPS10X Optima CPU cooler
$22 - NZXT Source 210 case
$50 - OCZ ModXStream Pro 700w PSU
$2 each - 3 Cooler Master Sickleflow 120mm case fans (each had a $5 rebate)
pulled a standard HDD out of old computer
The prices aren't relevant now, but I spent $520 for a computer that can play most games on high settings.
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Meh... Im sure others could do even better, but i slapped one together for fun..
Case: NZXT Source 210 - $39.99
PSU: CORSAIR CX series CX600 600W - $54.99
CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 6 MB Skylake Quad-Core 2.7 GHz - $189.99
MB: ASUS B150M-C/CSM LGA 1151 Intel B150 - $84.99
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 - $72.99
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 3GB - $219.99
SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB SATA III - $99.99
$762.93
Obviously you can change out parts or go with something else entirely its your build afterall, this was just me playing around and seeing what i could build for cheap but still pretty strong.
Additionally: As for it being so expensive even more so then your car (lol btw), i'd make the gpu the last purchase. buy it (whatever u decide) across the next several months so its not such a hefty loss all at once =)
also.. I would additionally get a cooler, i just left it out cause technically you can use the one that comes with the cpu (though i do not recommend the stock cooler)
Edit: changed to text links (all newegg)
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Something for ~ 7-800 should be
i5 2.3+
16gb ram
GTx 960+
1tb HDD
250SSD
I dont undetrstand shit bout motherboards cases and such , but i got PC with those specs ( not sure bout the actuall parts serials etc ) for ~750 euros .
It runs everything i own on high settings , w/o a prob so i guess its decent for now .
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What's a good amount of money for a good cheap gaming desktop like, something that can run new games on lower settings.
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