Do you want to upgrade your Desktop/Laptop?
While I'd love to upgrade, I'm not desperate yet. I have a GTX 1060 6GB, Ryzen 1400 and 16GB of DDR4.
Would love to upgrade the CPU since it's becoming a noticeable bottleneck.
Currently however, the PC part market's a mess, so I've got no problem waiting. Because we're in a similar spot, I'd say wait. But also it really depends how much that money is for you. For me, it's an insanely high price to pay for a PC. But if you're aware of the market, know it's overpriced on top of the extra expenses for any enthusiast tech like that, then go for it.
At the end of the day, you should be happy with what you have and if you have the means to do what you want, go for it!
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I'm willing to wait for my GPU, as that's not really my main issue, as yourself, the CPU is the culprit in all of it and by upgrading it, I may need to change the whole MOBO. I thought why not since I wanna have a full upgrade at some point.
By mentioning what I wanna get doesn't mean I might get them all together, but I may consider getting the CPU, MOBO and RAMs.
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Sounds like something I'd go for more too. Futureproofing your computer a bit never hurts. I doubt you'd regret the purchase no matter what if you use your computer a lot. Hope you're happy with whatever you choose. It's exciting to plan a potential upgrade :D
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I use my computer from 8 AM till 11:30 PM every day I am at home, I sure do! 😅
I use it for more than just gaming. Gaming only occupies 4-6 hours of my day off.
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Ryzen 7 1700x
GTX 1080
16gb of DDR4
2TB HDD
256gb SSD for OS
Bit of a bottleneck, but I was trying to limit my build to just under $2000. First PC I ever built. Still holding strong after 4 years!
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Still on DDR3, and seems no future for cheap PC parts
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The older the DDR's the more expensive they get, as I've heard, right?
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CPU: Core I5-3570K @ 3.4GHz
GPU: Radeon HD7850 2G
RAM: 8GB DDR3
OS: XUbuntu until 2020, back to Debian since 2020
SSD 128GB (OS) + HDD 2TB (Data)
No upgrade planned, works well for games I play and I'm satisfied with medium/low configuration for more recent games.
I used to exclude some games a few years ago, but I can now play mostly to any game I have thanks to Proton (on Steam) and Lutris (for non-steam games, like EGS).
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now play mostly to any game I have thanks to Proton (on Steam) and Lutris (for non-steam games, like EGS).
Not sure what Proton is or Lutris, can you send me some links?
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Proton is Steam's Wine fork, integrated in Steam on Linux to play Windows games. It also allows to run the windows version even when a Linux native version of the game exists (some games are poorly ported and the native port doesn't work).
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton
There is also https://www.protondb.com which lists games that work or not, and share tips/tweaks that can help.
Lutris is a frontend to Wine that makes it easier to run any windows applications on Linux, thanks to the community providing install scripts which automatically tweak everything needed for each application.
https://lutris.net
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Laptop:
i7-6820hq (2.7-3.6 GHz)
2x16 (32) GB of 2133MHz DDR4 RAM
Quadro M2000M (GTX 960M) 4GB
2TB Evo Plus (games)
512 950 pro (OS)
500GB spinner (long term data that i want at my fingertips but don't need to be blazingly fast)
I can't upgrade the graphics card (it's soldered on) and that is the only part that I really notice lagging in some games. I could potentially get a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU (& socket) and external monitor, but that would remove the mobile aspect of the laptop and just...I'd become a workstation then, and might as well get a docking station. A new gaming laptop might be cheaper, but ugh. I like this one.
I just added a 970 evo plus (2 TB) (they had some fantastic sales recently) and now have room for my bigger games.
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I can't upgrade the graphics card (it's soldered on) and that is the only part that I really notice lagging in some games. I could potentially get a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU (& socket) and external monitor, but that would remove the mobile aspect of the laptop and just...I'd become a workstation then, and might as well get a docking station. A new gaming laptop might be cheaper, but ugh. I like this one.
Sometimes it's hard to let go of the things we value.
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No no hhmm
Steamdeck it's a portable pc from valve this https://www.steamdeck.com/ and it can play all today PC games
But i think (i'm not sure i not check it) it can PLUG also to notebook for output the video source...
So in this way the old notebook will become a "newpc"
So the advantage would be to have an handled pc for play games + use the big monitor of the notebook instead of the little steamdeck
in this way the notebook will not be unuseful.
Another solution could be if the notebook have NVME pci,find an NVMEpci to PCIE adapter and then make an hole in the notebook case with a wire that go out and plug to a common pc gpu (this is just my idea i don't know if exist,must do some search) and probabily must also BE CAREFUL about not buy the opposite (maybe exist also pcie to nvme etc.)
but for now this is just idea i not yet check if these product exist i'm not recently informed about this (i not own nvme too)
and also for who has high internet speed and play turn based or slow games would be ok also play via xbox.com/play or geforcenow cloud services
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can play all today PC games
We are not yet sure, but most of the games we know may run and be playable as far as I've heard. There can be some games that just doesn't work. 😅
Another solution could be if the notebook have NVME pci,find an NVMEpci to PCIE adapter and then make an hole in the notebook case with a wire that go out and plug to a common pc gpu (this is just my idea i don't know if exist,must do some search) and probabily must also BE CAREFUL about not buy the opposite (maybe exist also pcie to nvme etc.)
This is surely a risky thing and should be careful how you do, because not everybody knows how to do things like that. You may need technical skills.
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I completely upgrade my pc when i get to the moment i can't run the newest AAA games.
Last time i upgraded well I can't really remember but it was time when Ryzen 7 was just released, spent little less than 2500$ for Ryzen 7 1700X, GeForce 1080 Ti, 32 gb ram + new case, power, motherboard, cooler master 24 liquid cooling etc etc
And so far, i still run all new games on maxed settings, and I don't see any upgrades coming at least 4-5 years
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That's good, I think having a liquid cooling is badass, but risky to assemble, did you do it?
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Friend and me, yeah. It's not risky at all. It's closed system. Just need to add paste and screw 8 pieces :)
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Oh alright, I might be able to do it. It must be more difficult to assemble as it takes time.
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Ryzen 9 3900x 3.8GHz
NZXT Kraken X63 AIO
32GB Hyperx Fury RGB 3200MHz
Gigabyte RTX 2080 Super
ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F Gaming
Most immediate upgrade is to double my RAM. Resolve regularly has it up around the 30GB mark. Will probably get a 5900X and a 3080 at some point, assuming they ever come into stock at a reasonable price.
It's still a beast of a machine for gaming though, so I'm in no rush. Even if AMD and NVidia decided to make half of it out of date a few months after building it >_>
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That's a risk we all have to make, but the whole point is not getting everything that comes out. It's the same for phones. Just because iPhone 13 came out and you just bought iPhone 12, it doesn't mean you gotta get it. Just wait a couple of years until the phone you have feels outdated in the hardware/software department and can\'t hold up for itself.
The biggest problem becomes when you spend a lot of money on a new component, just so that in 5-6 months it will affect the pricing on the components.
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What about: I want to, but not right now? xD (aka upgrad)
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Gigabyte Aorus Ultra X570
AMD Ryzen 3700X
Powercolor Red Devil RX 5700XT
HyperX Fury RGB 2x 16GB, 3200 MHz
XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB (Windows) + Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB (Games) + Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB (Videos) + Seagate 2TB (Documents)
Not really in need of any upgrades, but I've been following the 6900XT/3080 and 2TB SSDs. Those GPUs won't fit in my case right now but they can if I remove my HDD bay and lower one of the front fans, but then I need that 2TB SSD to replace my HDD. And of course I need a new PSU then as well, so yeah, no upgrades needed now xD
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So the 6900XT is the GPU from AMD. I haven't checked any of it. Since I'm not so familiar with it, would you be able to use either GPU on the MOBO or you need something compatible?
Those GPUs won't fit in my case right now but they can if I remove my HDD bay and lower one of the front fans,
What kind of case do you have? I struggled placing my wife's 3070 GPU inside her Tower Case. It was fitting exactly inside, with little space between the harddrive and the GPU.
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Any mobo works with any brand/type GPU as long as they have the general GPU slot. But when you for instance have an Intel CPU and want to go AMD you need another mobo as the CPU sockets are different.
So, you can easily swap between AMD and NVidia GPUs in a pc build. If you want to change from AMD to NVidia GPU (or vice versa) it is advised to wipe all GPU related software with for instance the program DDU.
I have the Fractal Design Meshify C. I'm only limited by GPU length since I do have an ATX mobo so everything is nicely spread through the whole case. I'd only need to move a front fan out of the way to get me about 25-30 millimeters of extra space for a potential new GPU, since those I'm looking at are about 20-25 mm longer than my current one.
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Any mobo works with any brand/type GPU as long as they have the general GPU slot. But when you for instance have an Intel CPU and want to go AMD you need another mobo as the CPU sockets are different.
ah yes, that I am aware of. I thought GPU's was a little bit the same in that department.
So, you can easily swap between AMD and NVidia GPUs in a pc build. If you want to change from AMD to NVidia GPU (or vice versa) it is advised to wipe all GPU related software with for instance the program DDU.
Speaking of which, are AMD GPU's a little cheaper? What would be the direct competitor of 3070 and/or 3080? Are they just as good? And what are the pros and cons of each of the GPU's?
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Unfortunately, it's hard to tell in the current situation which one's cheaper or has better price/quality ratio.
I'd like to think 3080 is competitor of the 6900XT because in GPU benchmark they are close in rank, but I have no idea if it's actually true.
I also have little knowledge about GPUs in general, this is my first build, I went a bit all-out on it (started with a 1060 on the wishlist, slowly upgraded all components on the wishlist until I got to this xD) and am only following one of the most expensive AMD GPUs, Powercolor Red Devil 6900XT, and a MSI 3080, to see what their prices will do, I already easily get sufficient fps on high/extreme settings now, and I play on a 1440p screen. I just kinda wish for the newest stuff because one can dream :)
But from what I experienced and read, the newest AMD GPUs usually give some trouble in terms of their newest drivers not working very well in the beginning, but you gotta find a stable driver version and then after some months it's fine to upgrade drivers to newest version. Some easy googling led me to that answer, I haven't experienced as much trouble with it as some people had in those forums, luckily.
NVidia has the RTX gimmick, which is almost never used by the people I know with an RTX card. And I think AMD now has something if you combine a 5000-series CPU with a 6000-series GPU you had some better performance or so, idk for sure. I find that most people who are still a bit unsure about building PCs and picking parts tend to choose NVidia GPUs, perhaps because it's more of a well-known brand still, although AMD is slowly getting there as well.
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Unfortunately, it's hard to tell in the current situation which one's cheaper or has better price/quality ratio.
I'd like to think 3080 is competitor of the 6900XT because in GPU benchmark they are close in rank, but I have no idea if it's actually true.
I also have little knowledge about GPUs in general, this is my first build, I went a bit all-out on it (started with a 1060 on the wishlist, slowly upgraded all components on the wishlist until I got to this xD) and am only following one of the most expensive AMD GPUs, Powercolor Red Devil 6900XT, and a MSI 3080, to see what their prices will do, I already easily get sufficient fps on high/extreme settings now, and I play on a 1440p screen. I just kinda wish for the newest stuff because one can dream :)
I've done builds in the past, but I am not good at picking or so I think I just look at them being compatible, price range, what their performance is, but don't have a huge knowledge about them. GPU I know from Nvidia, so AMD kinda confused me as I've not had an AMD since I was a kid and didn't understand how they are. Now that it grows in popularity, I am starting to understand the reason behind it and considering that I may need to change and expand my understanding.
NVidia has the RTX gimmick, which is almost never used by the people I know with an RTX card.
I don't know why? I wanna see the RTX in motion in my games, unless they look poorly. What interest me the most is the DLLS feature. I think having more frames is really cool.
And I think AMD now has something if you combine a 5000-series CPU with a 6000-series GPU you had some better performance or so, idk for sure. I find that most people who are still a bit unsure about building PCs and picking parts tend to choose NVidia GPUs, perhaps because it's more of a well-known brand still, although AMD is slowly getting there as well.
I personally trust Nvidia, because I've had it for years and never had issues with it.
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ok so can buy this garbage it's cheap around 258 uk money Intel-Core-i5-10600KF
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Intel-Core-i5-10600KF-Base-Clock&qid=1636233808&ref=404_search&s=price-asc-rank
https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16495/122877.png performance it's ok for today games
instead of the 300+ you want pay for i9 (i9 soon will be obsolete when intel release new cpu so... even if you buy the top now,if intel release a cpu that make double performance than i9 is a waste of money)
And cyberpunk2077 use 90% of the cores of this cpu but you will be aple play 60fps 1080p ultra stable
read dead redemption 2, use only 40% power of the cores And you will be able to play at 60fps 1080p stable
(if you not believe me you can check on youtube search for "Core-i5-10600K RDR2 FPS or cyberpunk2077"
So all other games it's not heavy\new same this and use less than 30% of this cpu
then u take this other crapppppppping supergarbage Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4 3200 MHz C16 XMP 2.0 High Performance Desktop Memory Kit, Black it's only 64 UK money
then u take cheap motherboard Z590
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Z590&s=price-asc-rank&qid=1636235415&ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank
Powersuppy is the only thing in my opinion you must pay expensive, take a very good, but you check\calculate the lowest woltage you need , do not buy 9999999999Watt psu if u not need it really..
Because if psu not good then it broken fast,and\or broken your mobo\gpu etc' so that it's the most important thing.
For example me buy a 600W corsair psu 11 years ago and until now i still run my pc with it 40€ mobo 3.6ghz cpu 16gb ram and i use 2 gpu 750ti+ rtx2060super but this is just one example.
Storage istill use a 236gb ssd i not give a fuck about nvme and all this stuff,games still run awesome on my pc and i play 1 game at time so i not need more storage,and also if\when i need i can just "archive" games on 4tb cheap hdd and\or just redownload them (or also play via cloud xbox.com/play or geforcenow etc. ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
Anyway i see that right now with 64UK money is possible take ssd 1TB crucial (at my time this was not possible i pay around $220 for my ssd LOL and i also must preorder it that time because was very hard to find LOL,but now these days can find it like water hahahaha and very cheap)
So in this way you save a lot of money,then if\when nearly next months intel or amd or others release cpu\gpu that is double performances than today then you just upgrade with the money you save by always buy budget pc and not "top gaming" pc that is expensive and btw after little years become obsolete.
The fact is you NOT really need "Powerful" Pc for play,
you see me i have crap garbage old cheap pc 11 years ago + rtx2060S and i can play all without problems,so u can go cheap.
And GPU you not need 3070\3080\3090 or expensives top,would be ok rtx2060 super or 3060
Also in my opinion if you could find an USED rtx2060super for cheap let's say around 350UK price would be BETTER (it's HALF performance than 3060,but you can use it for make money with bitcoin,around 60€ at month in europe when you not play games) so this will make you save around 250 uk money and also get the money you spent for new pc in 1 year can make around 1000€ ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and you can play all today games with it without problem i play fifa22,rdr2,cyberpunk2077 at 60fps i just low only shadows (that btw i don't like at high or soft i prefer low quality shadows can see them better) and disable filters unuseful things like bloom,shady background etc that i not like too,then 1080p 60fps u can play without problem (ddls nvidia or what the fuck their name i not remember help performance too)
i personally like much msi rtx 2060 super gaming x,in my opinion is the best gpu right now for price\performance,and yes i know 3060 is double performance but it's not worth it,much expensive.
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For example me buy a 600W corsair psu 11 years ago and until now i still run my pc with it 40€ mobo 3.6ghz cpu 16gb ram and i use 2 gpu 750ti+ rtx2060super but this is just one example.
Storage istill use a 236gb ssd i not give a fuck about nvme and all this stuff,games still run awesome on my pc and i play 1 game at time so i not need more storage,and also if\when i need i can just "archive" games on 4tb cheap hdd and\or just redownload them (or also play via cloud xbox.com/play or geforcenow etc. ¯(ツ)/¯)
Anyway i see that right now with 64UK money is possible take ssd 1TB crucial (at my time this was not possible i pay around $220 for my ssd LOL and i also must preorder it that time because was very hard to find LOL,but now these days can find it like water hahahaha and very cheap)
I am not worried of my power supply, I've got a 650W for years now and I believe it works well. I'm also going to continue to use my 1TB SSD & HDD together for whatever I used it for.
Thanks for the suggestion!
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yes,also if you have already cpu 3.6ghz just buy only new gpu rtx2060,not need make new pc,me before have 2600k 3.6ghz 750ti but it struggle to run games 60fps ultra 1080p only i can do 30,then i upgrade to rtx2060 and now i can play all games today also cyberpunk2077,rdr2,crysys remastered at 1080p 60fps ultra gfx (only i low shadows,disable bloom etc. i not like) that for what i see looks like the most heavy games,but i use them with mobo 40€ https://www.amazon.co.uk/P8H61-MX-USB3-Motherboard-Express-Gigabit/dp/B008LZO7LO work very good from 2014 until now 2021
and i use 2 gpus too 750ti+2060 because in this way i can use 2 monitors but same pc and also if when i record games or edit video or surf web with the 750ti will not leave power\fps from the 2060 in games ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You welcome Vasharal! me too thank you for your reply\comment also things u write useful for me.
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I'm curious, how do you run two graphics card on that motherboard?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/P8H61-MX-USB3-Motherboard-Express-Gigabit/dp/B008LZO7LO
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search for pcie riser 1x to 16x on amazon it's priced around $15
can use gpu ports extender\split\riser,
like this https://i.imgur.com/Ghmtm68.jpg
ignore the fact about "physx" it was a personal experiment for some old batman games ¯_(ツ)_/¯
The only thing i advice you is , if for example
you live in polo south of our planet try to not plug the cable until polo north
or with more longer cable will lose\degraded performance 🤣
but with cable around 24inches\60cm would be ok perfect performance
i setup my pc for it use 750ti for surf web,play video youtube,edit videos etc.
and allow use gtx2060s only for play games very heavy like cyberpunk2077,rdr2...
in this way i avoid third party softwares stolen power from gpu (i noticed origin,originwebhelper,epic is habit to stolen gpu power,so i force pc touse 750ti for these too..)
i also disable windows10 and nvidia recording features (when i not need them) they stolen more gpu power and also force the cards to work at high power core\memory and consume too,instead if disable them gpu go low mode not consume and not high mem\core.
Also i force windows to use 750ti for all softwares via nvidia control panel
and is possible also to add an icon that will tell you all software used by each gpu
if in the nvidia control panel you go up tab "View" and enable "add icon gpu activity to taskbar"
For indie or low power require games i use 750ti btw for example for octopath traveler i use 750ti also if i own 2060
https://i.imgur.com/kHWlBug.jpg
i also force the 750ti to work at low performance\power than she is by default with the use of msi afterburner (750ti it's not from MSi but the software work the same) i put all at minimum and core clock -502 memory -502
i can run for example game in 750ti and at the same time a gpu benchmark on rtx2060
https://i.imgur.com/bI1vmI5.jpg
i also set limit to 30fps to 750ti because personally i not care about 60fps,
but if i not put limit or do lesss limit card can reach around 60 fps too
Max limit underclock do 49 fps https://i.imgur.com/B8lBgR9.jpg
Not Limit or less limit underclock do 60 https://i.imgur.com/1xIVtTH.jpg
But i prefer to play at 30Fps and with max limit underclock
Also i still use my 2600k since 2012 with 2 half broken fans (Temperature around 90° when i play haahaha) but until now for 9 years never broken i play with it too 🤣
So i feel laugh when i see people say they must buy waterblock or extreme\expensive dissy solutions and if people keep that money in wallet they just can buy a new pc when\if cpu broken 🤣
And if i want i can buy and change the fan very easy,is not a problem do it (i'm able desolder full soc\cpu from mobiles\noteebok\consoles etc.
But i'm laaaaazy , so leave it this way hahahaha is ok , it's 9 year i play like this,if not broken until now... will never broke 🤣
i'm a gamer,so i play,and have fun...
i leave "repair" sad\waste time things for others people hahaha
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in this way i avoid third party softwares stolen power from gpu (i noticed origin,originwebhelper,epic is habit to stolen gpu power,so i force pc touse 750ti for these too..)
i also disable windows10 and nvidia recording features (when i not need them) they stolen more gpu power and also force the cards to work at high power core\memory and consume too,instead if disable them gpu go low mode not consume and not high mem\core.
That's an interesting way to do it. I thought only TI GPU's work simultaneously together.
Also i still use my 2600k since 2012 with 2 half broken fans (Temperature around 90° when i play haahaha) but until now for 9 years never broken i play with it too 🤣
So i feel laugh when i see people say they must buy waterblock or extreme\expensive dissy solutions and if people keep that money in wallet they just can buy a new pc when\if cpu broken 🤣
Lol 😂 you're playing a dangerous game. I hope that your PC will be okay though. It seems to go through a lot of hardship with you.
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hahaha 🤣
about the gpu in this way same i use it you can't hhmm how to say...
You cant't make 1 game get all power from both gpus... (same SLI etc.)
but can use gpu simultaneously on windows togheder (and can use also it for multimonitor feature! extend monitor etc. , but at this moment i still use only 1 monitor with an hdmi splitter switch then i just switch the button when\if i need one or another card )
And for make an exagerate example,you can also if you want start octopathtraveller in 750ti and at the same time cyberpunk2077 in rtx2060
But in my personal case i doubt that the CPU can handle that , maybe one day i will try hahha make video too hahaha 🤣
but if you use\assign in nvidia panel low gpu for internet chrome,edge,origin,epic,steam,and all others windows10 app and 2d games and leave powerful gpu only for 3d games it work very very good.
i also UNPLUG the Leds of the 2060gpu because i not want my pc looks like a christmas tree 360 days on 360 and disturb my eyes too and i not want install many softwares so better unplug cables hahaha 🤣
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It's so sad that Video Cards now are so long and big that you can barely fit two of them together.
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This is why pony make ps5,for make us feel better,if you see how much big\ugly is ps5 then u think gpu is awesome hahahaha
i remember long time ago first 3dfx and also Matrox dual monitor gpu was very little but for that time people go crazy for it hahaha
i remember i go home one my friend rich,show me dual monitor windows screensaver with tubes him tell me
"You seeeee? You seee? this is the future!"
hahahahaha
with screensaver hahaha not game hahaha
i also remember first time i see laser games (macdogmacree) i was shocked hahaha i think we can play games like that in that time generated in 3d.... i not think\understand it was laser etc.
and i go play that in room arcade pay a lot of money,now is possible to play it in a browser online 🤣
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Idk, I like how the PS5 looks. I find it a bit too big though and looks more like a decoration that you can display, but I do like my PS4 compactness, because I can place it on a shelf and just not have to place it vertically.
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if remove all the plastic,all the hardware,all their games and software,and remove pony\paystation,and their storestoo,me like too ps5 hahaha
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XboxSeriesS i like more than ps5 as estetic yes,easy little but give fun,if i want Big\Power things just use my pc not need a console
Without to talk about xbox offer xbox game pass 100 games at 1€ new account and 10€ every month free via ms rewards,playstation instead not give NOTHING and now playstation games is on PC too so no reason to buy ps4\ps4pro\ps5 i will buy and play ps games on pc .
This said i will not buy XboxseriesS because i not need it , i'm happy with pc can play xbox and playstation games,Also the absence of a browser in ps5 , and full graphic settings and right of repair in consoles it's absurd to me,i doubt i will buy new consoles.
if i buy a "console" i will buy Steamdeck portable pc https://www.steamdeck.com/
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XboxSeriesS i like more than ps5 as estetic yes,easy little but give fun,if i want Big\Power things just use my pc not need a console
Looks like a cube to me, IDK what's appealing about that design. Don't tell me you like minimalistic stuff.
Without to talk about xbox offer xbox game pass 100 games at 1€ new account and 10€ every month free via ms rewards,playstation instead not give NOTHING and now playstation games is on PC too so no reason to buy ps4\ps4pro\ps5 i will buy and play ps games on PC
That's the good part of XBOX. But there's something about the quality and exclusiveness that some games feel on a PlayStation. Not everybody is going to appreciate it. XBOX has exact same things the Windows have at this point, so I'm not intrigued by what I have. I'm really happy that PlayStation is coming to PC, but remains to be seen what it's like for the PC users. More power to them!
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Another time i will never forget,i still do some experiments about plug very high strong CARS\vehicle speakers to very very old console,
but i still not do it with cables can buy...i still do some experiment about solder,wire things etc..(a littlebit dangerous too hahaha)
then i still check audio work or not but my girlfriend disturb me i must turn head
then i hear back to my ears
"WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELCOMEEEEEEEEEEE
STRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGERS!" with max volume big same discoteque
it was a sort of merchant in RE game that start talk back me,i near die infart and also lose 50% life years and hears ability 🤣
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Take a picture of your desktop lol. It sounds you're really into fixing things together and making things that may not work, work. 😅
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I was just curious about adding two cards to a motherboard with one pci-e slot, I havent seen a 1x to 16x riser card before. Running any graphics card on a 1x pci-e slot ain't gonna be great.
I always have plenty of pci-e slots on my motherboards as I always spend quite a bit on them. While you can buy a cheap motherboard and they can last for a long time however, they lack in features. I have motheboards brought off ebay second hand going back to 2008 which still works. I built a PC in 2012 and that still runs fine, although not as fine as my 2019 build. :)
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You welcome Vasharal! me too thank you for your reply\comment also things u write useful for me.
We learn from one another and it's good to have feedback on it, even if sometimes it may conflict what we want.
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Also have man work at intel,new intel CEO say new intel cpu will be very bombastic,
"Alder Lake was officially revealed at Intel Architecture Day 2021. The SoCs will attempt to find their way into seemingly every consumer gadget around with TDPs ranging from 9W to 125W and a maximum of eight efficiency cores and eight performance cores for a total of 16 cores and 24 threads in the desktop offerings."
So i think if you can wait this let's say until 2023,it's better,then you buy the cheapest lower price of this cpu and the cheapest mobo\ram for it,and you avoid also expensive pandemic\crysischip prices.
Me vice versa want to wait to see what happen about storages,also if there is 0 news about it,i feel that soon will happen a new storage shift , not about nvme\ssd etc. i feel soon someone invent new storages very + high speed but with different slot\attachment,and pair it with "xbox velocity" architecture for windows,then i will jump to new upgrade for cpu\mobo\ram,and normally i never wrong about predict these things happen (when all buy ps4pro\xboxonex i wait instead,then i was right because ps5\xss|x was released)
we will see,time will tell i wrong or not.
We see already that ps5\XSX "enfatize" so much their speedy ssd\nvme , so looks like the vg industry\developers is "hungry" about the need of faster storages (for reasons that i not understand because me play very well on normal old ssd) so this make me feel soon videogames industry make people shift to new mobo for new storages more faster than olds,but not nvme\ssd,they will be Different\NEW format.
This make me worry also because if people buy expensive pc now,but then memory\psu etc. will not be compatible with the motherboards that need new storages slot,will be a problem waste of money,so i still wait to see what happen about this,before to buy new cpu\mobo upgrade.
Right now exist hdd\ssd\nvme and nvme new mobo have dynamic resizable retrocompatibility for new sort of nvme1\m2 etc...
but i feel in the next 1-2 year new storages come that is different slot\mobo requirement and windows also will push it for xbox velocity architecture marketing lies stuff etc.
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lso have man work at intel,new intel CEO say new intel cpu will be very bombastic,
Idk if Bombastic is a good thing or a bad thing. 🤣
So i think if you can wait this let's say until 2023,it's better,then you buy the cheapest lower price of this cpu and the cheapest mobo\ram for it,and you avoid also expensive pandemic\crysischip prices.
I can still wait. I've waited so long, I can wait 2 more years really. 🤷🏻♂️
We see already that ps5\XSX "enfatize" so much their speedy ssd\nvme , so looks like the vg industry\developers is "hungry" about the need of faster storages (for reasons that i not understand because me play very well on normal old ssd) so this make me feel soon videogames industry make people shift to new mobo for new storages more faster than olds,but not nvme\ssd,they will be Different\NEW format.
It's possible for sure this will change. I don't have a problem with the current SSD either. I think it's alright. But in 10 years time this will be the HDD we have today.
This make me worry also because if people buy expensive pc now,but then memory\psu etc. will not be compatible with the motherboards that need new storages slot,will be a problem waste of money,so i still wait to see what happen about this,before to buy new cpu\mobo upgrade
Expensive is an interesting therm. It's different how economy is in countries that generally makes it easier to earn £100/$100 per day. If you work for 2-3 days, you can buy yourself a MOBO that is worth £200-300. Do you get what I mean? It may feel expensive for lower economic countries. I've been there and I can tell from similar experience that I'd never pay when I lived in Romania for a MOBO £200. It would be too expensive and I'd probably go for a mid-tier PC.
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I just switched from a 2500k to a 5600x. The old intel did right by me for a very long time.
As for GPU, I'm still holding onto an RX 580, but it's the 4GB version. Even so, I got it cheap, like $150, so I'm not complaining. I only use it for 1080, so it does its job in 99% of cases.
This should keep me comfortable at least until the GPUs get more affordable for my tastes. And if not, screw it, I have a large enough backlog to keep me busy for years.
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This should keep me comfortable at least until the GPUs get more affordable for my tastes. And if not, screw it, I have a large enough backlog to keep me busy for years.
Same here, if only I can play the most consuming games, but I have a backlog for games from 2010 until today and I can run most of them on High & Ultra, unless they are poorly optimized or too new for my CPU to handle. Maybe that'll be my first upgrade.
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i juste see this
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-alder-lake-core-i5-12600k-review-benchmarks-performance/
"Yet in offering the same performance, if not better, for nearly half the cost of the top processor launched in this same year—Rocket Lake came out in 2021, people—Intel has really won me over with the Core i5 12600K. "
"This chip comes with six P-Cores and four E-Cores, as I have mentioned, which is actually a slight increase in overall core count over the Core i5 11600K. It's also technically more physical cores than a Core i9 11900K, which as you'll see when we get to the benchmarks, turns this Core i5 into an 11th Gen Core i9 killer."
Benchmark
shadow of the tomb raider
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/jgM7iUQ5tJcg2zUK4YAH8X-970-80.png.webp
farcry 6
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/hh9NdE7bPdx5fa4hmr38JX-970-80.png.webp
metro exodus
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/BVqRg4VvkcGLKrfeCufGYX-970-80.png.webp
hmmm looks good to me,for sure is better than my 2600k haha
hhmm maybe if i find a super cheap mobo that support it i will do an upgrade and not wait the new storages hhmm..,this look very good my god.
" Assassin's Creed: Valhalla. This game simply will not boot on either of our Intel Alder Lake test systems, and it's an ongoing issue (likely related to the DRM issues Intel has officially confirmed with Alder Lake) that Intel has told me it is looking into, with Ubisoft's hel"
LOL ¯_(ツ)_/¯
"The Core i5 12600K crushes the Core i9 11900K in multithreaded testing. The same goes for the Ryzen 5 5600X. "
"DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 SSDs are all a little more affordable for the Core i5 12600K's clever balance of price and performance, and that makes the entire 12th Gen platform a little more digestible if you're not prepared to spend thousands of dollars"
"Should you buy an Intel Core i5 12600K?
The Core i5 12600K is the best CPU for gaming right now, if you're in any way a sensible person. I'm not a sensible person and I'd want the Core i9 12900K or Ryzen 9 5950X just because, but if you really boil it down to price to performance, performance per watt, and sense check yourself for just a moment, the Core i5 12600K is the chip on top.
There's some glimmer of hope that Intel may be able to deliver enough of this chip for its price to stick around, and that means we might finally have a piece of gaming hardware that actually feels like you're getting a good deal.
With the state of graphics cards right now, even suggesting that feels wrong. But it's true, the Core i5 12600K is a good deal. With some decently priced Z690 motherboards, it might even be a great deal for a gaming PC build. And that's a PC that can offer high-end frame rates with the right graphics card—this is a suitably high-end chip masquerading as a mid-range hero, and doing a great job of it.
Perhaps the Core i5 12600KF is my actual pick for the best CPU for gaming today as it's theoretically going to sit as the cheaper of the two. However, if you do decide to pick up either of the two, presumably whichever you can find for cheaper, you wouldn't be putting a foot wrong."
i must check if have cheap mobo for this hhmmm,and if is retrocompatible with old psu corsair hhmm
"And another thing, since this is a brand new 12th Gen chip with a brand new 12th Gen socket (LGA 1700), you'll need a new motherboard to plug the Core i5 12600K into. That means a Z690 motherboard today, and could mean you have to spend a little more money on it than you might want for a more mid-range or budget-savvy build. We're expecting cheaper chipsets next year, though, so if you're happy to wait, I believe the market will come to you.
In the meantime, one way to save cash would be to grab a DDR4-compatible motherboard and save on your memory kit, instead of purchasing a DDR5-compatible board and buying the latest, greatest DDR5 RAM available. It is quick, though."
" Z690 motherboards will support either DDR4 or DDR5 memory, with native speeds of 3,200MHz or 4,800MHz, respectively"
oooh my god https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-Z590-Plus-Motherboard-Thunderbolt/dp/B08T6H14RR/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ASUS+TUF+Gaming+Z690-PLUS&qid=1636367510&sr=8-1
$240 very expensive ;(
i not understand wtf they put wifi in motherboards , no one use wifi these days all use lan,put this fu***ng wifi make people pay epxensive for antennas etc. uff.
ok ill continue to play with my pc rulez,never mind,we will see in 2023 maybe i upgrade for now i'm happy with my pc 🤣
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Benchmark
shadow of the tomb raider
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/jgM7iUQ5tJcg2zUK4YAH8X-970-80.png.webp
farcry 6
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/hh9NdE7bPdx5fa4hmr38JX-970-80.png.webp
metro exodus
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/BVqRg4VvkcGLKrfeCufGYX-970-80.png.webp
Let's be honest. If you can run anything over 120 FPS, an additional of 10 FPS doesn't make much of a difference at this point. Do you agree? The AMD looks and behaves impressive.
oooh my god https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-Z590-Plus-Motherboard-Thunderbolt/dp/B08T6H14RR/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ASUS+TUF+Gaming+Z690-PLUS&qid=1636367510&sr=8-1
$240 very expensive ;(
i not understand wtf they put wifi in motherboards , no one use wifi these days all use lan,put this fu***ng wifi make people pay epxensive for antennas etc. uff.
Yeah, as I've said, it becomes more and more difficult to buy a cheap MOBO as the pandemic and the shortage or chips progresses.
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"Let's be honest. If you can run anything over 120 FPS, an additional of 10 FPS doesn't make much of a difference at this point. Do you agree?"
Ah well,me is very "Lucky" if compared with other people about this,
i'm habit to play videogames in a very "particular way" i play games very "Slow" ,
for example fallout4,batman arkham knight,prey,sekiro shadows die twice,astroneer etc.
i like to stay\stop in places and i like to watch every single room also only the objects etc.
and also i like to do stealth when\if possible etc
and i don't know why (maybe because of this my mode to play) for me also 30 FPS is ok
and in some games,i don't know why but also 25Fps it's ok for me ( i remember i play ghost recon wildlands at 25 and at me look ok)
Top of all this for many unlucky events about my life,for many years i has need play with games that stutter\lags with around 5-10 fps (LOL) something that for other people is "impossible to play" but i play it like that, i remember i play Project iGi and splinter cell and farcry like that (now i get 900 fps in that farcry hahaha)... .
So Because i was habit to play with 15fps stuttering...,for me play at 30 FPS it's something "Incredible" and i'm totally ok with that i play many games at 30fps also i my gpu can do 60 i low to 30 (for save power consume and for me is ok)
So i totally agree with you about i can not care about 120 or even also 70 , and in some cases 40\60 too ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also must to say that NOT all people own or can afford a 120 Fps monitor My monitor for example (iiyama prolite b2403ws) do 59FPS at max,him can't reach 60 too LOL i don't understand\know why.
This said i'm really proud of this monitor,i buy it ,hhm i not remember...around 20 years ago maybe or + too,but until now still always work,never broken 1 time,and never make my eyes red also if u use 12 hours work etc.
Only if you could get at same price buy that,if can't yes better buy little bit older.
"The AMD looks and behaves impressive"
yes also if we think also how AMD was not good many many years ago,it's very impressive all the progress they made until today
Also in the software they make huge progress,i remember many years ago people complain about amd gpu drivers it's not good,they very mad..but now they have good software.
So for example me too,
if i can get a new better cpu than 2600k at le'ts say is priced $150 do 60fps
compared to a new better cpu that let's say cost $300 and do 120fps
And then motherboard\memory it's same prices for both for sure i go for the $150 for me...
Then must to see,if the price it's the same,better get the better
and i not care about "future proof" because when the future will come,i can just buy another new $150 cpu that maybe will have also more performance than the $300 cpu of today , save money is the way ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Ah well,me is very "Lucky" if compared with other people about this,
i'm habit to play videogames in a very "particular way" i play games very "Slow" ,
for example fallout4,batman arkham knight,prey,sekiro shadows die twice,astroneer etc.
i like to stay\stop in places and i like to watch every single room also only the objects etc.
and also i like to do stealth when\if possible etc
and i don't know why (maybe because of this my mode to play) for me also 30 FPS is ok
and in some games,i don't know why but also 25Fps it's ok for me ( i remember i play ghost recon wildlands at 25 and at me look ok)
I've played in the past like that, but I need at least 30 FPS to enjoy. If the game lags or stutters, I will place it for: "Will play when I upgrade PC" as it ruins the whole fun.
Top of all this for many unlucky events about my life,for many years i has need play with games that stutter\lags with around 5-10 fps (LOL) something that for other people is "impossible to play" but i play it like that, i remember i play Project iGi and splinter cell and farcry like that (now i get 900 fps in that farcry hahaha)... .
I've played AC III like that, with 15 FPS lol, back when I used to have a really bad PC.
Also must to say that NOT all people own or can afford a 120 Fps monitor My monitor for example (iiyama prolite b2403ws) do 59FPS at max,him can't reach 60 too LOL i don't understand\know why.
This said i'm really proud of this monitor,i buy it ,hhm i not remember...around 20 years ago maybe or + too,but until now still always work,never broken 1 time,and never make my eyes red also if u use 12 hours work etc.
I've got a 75 FPS monitor, so even if I run over that, I can't notice it. It's a ultrawide LG, I like it, but sometimes can be such an issue when gaming. Workwise, it's amazing and increases my productivity level by A LOT!
Then must to see,if the price it's the same,better get the better
and i not care about "future proof" because when the future will come,i can just buy another new $150 cpu that maybe will have also more performance than the $300 cpu of today , save money is the way ¯(ツ)/¯
I just don't like upgrading every 2-3 years. I use my money different. So I save a big bulk of money, invest it in something. Then move to the next objectives.
PS: If you want to QUOTE something someone said use the ">" before the text. For example: "> I like games." This should show as:
I like games.
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i7-2600K OC'd to 4.2
16GB DDR3
GTX 1080 4GB
I'm hoping this lasts until the prices normalize, in my country you need to spend 3xMSRP for a new graphics card.
It works with 60+ FPS on medium for most of the games I'm playing, on a 1440p monitor so I'm happy waiting for an upgrade
As for what I'd be getting, probably a Ryzen CPU with an RTX nvidia card and 32GB ram minimum. I try not looking up specific configurations, I'll do my due dilligence when the time comes to upgrade
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I'm hoping this lasts until the prices normalize, in my country you need to spend 3xMSRP for a new graphics card.
It works with 60+ FPS on medium for most of the games I'm playing, on a 1440p monitor so I'm happy waiting for an upgrade
Price is the same pretty much everywhere else. Although I get to be notified when stores sell at MSRP, so I get to buy them accordingly. But they sell too fast.
As for what I'd be getting, probably a Ryzen CPU with an RTX nvidia card and 32GB ram minimum. I try not looking up specific configurations, I'll do my due dilligence when the time comes to upgrade
The build I listed may change over time, who knows what will happen, as I don't think I'll upgrade this year anyway. I may be willing to wait 1-2 more years if the GeForce Now makes me happy for a while.
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i might build a pc and use it like Geforce now to stream on my laptop when im away
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It just works, you've seen the new RTX 3080 GeForce Now? I can't wait to try it!
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Got a laptop earlier last year, MSI GL75 9SD
Intel Core i7-9750H 6 x 2.6 - 4.5 GHz, Coffee Lake-H
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Mobile - 6144 MB, GDDR6
16 GB RAM DDR4-2666
17" Monitor @ 144Hz
512 GB SSD
1TB HDD
Being a mostly indie game player, I think I will be good for a long while with this machine.
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Oh yeah, without a doubt. What indie game do you currently play or played that you highly recommend?
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I happened to finish Röki yesterday and I enjoyed that one a lot. It's a beautiful fairy tale made into a game.
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i just had up some item in my 6 year old rig by ram from 8 to 16 GB and 1060 3 GB to 6600xt When i upgrade i found that i need to check PSU and case width and length for support bigger graphic card too. i bend my old optical bay case to have enough space to install new vga card. in my country authorized computer component store stop sell standalone VGA card due to mining. so i buy marketplace with 1st hand reseller which cheaper than store. and resell old component again in marketplace.
i see computer component price in US AND UK which cheaper in my country but when plus delivery and tax it only have margin around 17us on vga and ram is no margin so i choose my local reseller for local warranty. most of brand insist sending to local store in country of purchase even you get WW warranty in case of somthing happening. That mean if something happen i cannot send to my local brand ambassador in my country or taiwan headquater but only send to local store in US or UK shop which i purchase.
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I'm borrowing your format :)
My Dekstop PC Specs are currently:
CPU: i5-7600K (Overclocked to 5.0GHz and watercooled)
MOBO: Asus Maximus IX Code
RAM: 4x8 GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM
GPU: ASUS Strix GTX 1070 8GB (overclocked)
Storage: 250 GB NVMe SSD + 1 TB HDD + 4TB HDD + 3TB HDDI plan to upgrade within half a year or before summer at least.
I want to upgrade to something like the following:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5950X
MOBO: ASUS ROG STRIX X570
RAM: 32 GB DDR4 3600MHx RAM
GPU: ASUS GeForce RTX 3080
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Good stuff! I overclocked my CPU and RAM too recently. My CPU that was @ 3.8GHz I upped it to 4.4GHz and my RAM to 3200 MHz. I needed to run some of the new games a little better.
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Yea, it works well but I am starting to feel the limitations of my current hardware
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Right now? Awful by modern standards, between ok/"great" for the games I usually play and basically a beast compared to the old ones which struggled to play San Andreas at a consistent framerate:
Motherboard: The standard OptiPlex 990 fare
CPU: Intel i5 2500 3.30 Ghz
GPU: ASUS Radeon R7 250
RAM: 8 GB, I think it's some generic brand.
What I want to get if the prices ever get back to normal and/or I win the lottery:
Motherboard: ASUF TUF X570-PLUS
CPU: Ryzen 5 5600X
GPU: RTX 2060 (I would settle for a 1660 Super too)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x8 GB sticks
So basically a whole new PC, because the current one doesn't have too much of an upgrade path at all.
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So basically a whole new PC, because the current one doesn't have too much of an upgrade path at all.
PC's can be extremely expensive, but we like to make the upgrade to enjoy the games we love. We can always switch to a console, that would save us a lot of money for upgrades, but it feels different.
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Laptop Acer Predator Helios 300
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz
16GB RAM
GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
HD 2T
Bought almost 2 years ago. I can play anything I want. Haven't had a game not run so far.
Have no plans of buying a new one. This one needs to last another decade at least because I live in a fucked up country with poor economy and things don't look good. Everything is expensive with a massive tax on top. Lost my job during the pandemic over a year ago and it's not looking promising. So yeah, no money to waste in the near future. But even if I had, I don't like the idea of replacing things year after year for a newer model. I had my previous laptop for 8 years. My TV broke 2 months ago after a decade. My cellphone is 5 years old. I'm not into paying for the same thing over and over again.
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This one needs to last another decade at least because I live in a fucked up country with poor economy and things don't look good.
Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?
So yeah, no money to waste in the near future. But even if I had, I don't like the idea of replacing things year after year for a newer model. I had my previous laptop for 8 years. My TV broke 2 months ago after a decade. My cellphone is 5 years old. I'm not into paying for the same thing over and over again.
I do the same thing, even if I moved now to a much more wealthier country (UK) I value the money I invest, so I have to check where I spend my money on.
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I live in Brazil. In the worst presidential mandate since the military dictatorship ended over 30 years ago. The dollar exchange rate skyrocketed. Things were already expensive and it's absurd now. Even for steam games. Many publishers ignore regional price these days. We have a presidential election next year. Hope people will be wiser and vote different, because the last one was a really bad joke.
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We have a presidential election next year. Hope people will be wiser and vote different, because the last one was a really bad joke.
I can only hope that people really do. Brazil is a country, like many others who deserves a good leadership.
Even for steam games. Many publishers ignore regional price these days.
They do focus only on the areas where they can produce money most, so they don't care as much for that. I believe that even a $10 game can be quite pricy for Brazil, am I right?
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Yeah, I don't know if they sell enough here anymore. But they probably did sell a lot more until about 2 or 3 years ago. Prices were really fair back then and steam had great sales 6 or 5 years ago. Now the big publishers don't follow valve's suggested price. Some games are priced 150% more the suggested price. It just makes me certain that they don't really care about us and try to exploit us on purpose. At least indie devs/publishers still do so you can buy great games for a reasonable price.
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AAA games will only go further. Look at the latest games, $80/£80 for a game? Ridiculous!
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I agree. It's not because in some countries people can pay that price that games should cost that much. It's still exploitation.
Worse, people willing accept saying it's only 10 dollars more... We'll see if they say that when a single game cost 150 bucks.
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I can explain why this happens. I've came from a country which has a similar situation like Brazil.
I was born in Romania and lived there until I was 27th years old. To give you kind of a reference, here's the exchange between our two money.
1 Romanian Leu = 1.257780 Brazilian Real (BRL)
Our money is slightly above with 0.25 pennies or whatever it's called.
A minimum wage salary in Romania at this point is 1,386 RON/Month | 317.41 USD/Month, while in Brazil it's 1,100 BRL/Month | 211.639 USD/Month. Brazil has even lower one. Now obviously not everybody earns such a salary, but being there and having to pay for 20 USD for a game is 10% of your salary, which is hell of a lot.
I used to pirate games back in Romania and only purchase games that my wife and I would need to play online. I am not ashamed to say this, but having to purchase a game was costly and this is why piracy will never die due to the imbalance in the economies in the world. They are not slightly imbalanced, they are heavily imbalanced.
As I've said I've moved to UK and here the minim wage salary is £9,50/h and that's somewhere at 1,235 GBP/Month (after tax) which is the equivalent of 1,658.36 USD/Month. So paying for a game that is "just" $20 it becomes significantly cheaper to do so.
So that's the reality of things. USA, UK, Canada, Australia and some other parts of West of Europe have a similar economy, with slight differences. The prices on the market at designed for consumers from that location.
AAA companies make high investments on their games by purchasing assets that cost them thousands of $$$, so unless they make a profit, they can't reduce the price of games. Only big sales can save you from making investments or pirate games that cost this much:
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True. That's why I wait for sales. I used to buy bundles a lot around 6 or 5 years ago, when they were cheaper [because my currency was stronger] and much better than they are today. I have stopped and rarely buy one now. That's when I got a lot of the games I own. I also only buy on release or lower discounts if I believe the price is fair. I like to support the visual novel industry so I bought most of them on release [the majority of them is priced quite fairly, just like indies]. Can't do that much now. But am currently saving my steam wallet for one that will release in 5 days. Hoping for a good price. ^^
It's funny because when I complain about fair/regional prices on a game community, the 1st thing people from rich countries come to say is that we [from poor regions] complain over little money [10-20$ means nothing to them] or that I have no right to because I own 5800+ games and I must be rich. They don't use their neurons to think that I only own that amount of games because I bought on sale/bundles/paid prices I though were fair. Certainly wouldn't own that many games if I were complacent with the game industry and accepted to pay whatever the absurd amount they try to charge.
On the piracy subject, I'm not into it. Never have. I believe that if I can't pay for it then I shouldn't play that game or watch that movie. Piracy to me is the same as stealing. Besides there's always a choice. With so many options to choose from, it's not hard to find a game I can afford or a streaming service I can pay for. I don't agree that the game industry actions are an excuse for piracy because in the end they will justify their actions based on that as well. Games are expensive because of piracy... piracy exist because games are expensive. One bad thing doesn't justify the other or make it right. All bs in my opinion. Certainly won't legitimize their poor excuses with piracy. This is obviously not a criticism on what you did/do, just my belief. Besides, I rather give my money to companies that respect me enough to put a fair price on their products.
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The music/movie distributors/companies lost a lot of money when piracy took off here, at some point they tried to incentivize people to buy original at a great price (example DVD/BluRays at 75% discount) but It was too late, that was also their mistake because they didn't read this illegal market well, so as long as they could give higher prices they did, I'm guessing there was intermediaries on this market too (just like with medicine), so I guess they didn't care as long as the profit margin was really good, fill their bags until It's possible. Take this as a grain of salt. It's great to have original stuff but when the companies don't care about the consumer and authorities are part of the corruption (legal and illegal) you have a real situation. Piracy is a protected industry here, I don't have a clue on how streaming services reduced It, not every people have internet so It's easy to have maybe Game of Thrones season one DVD for $1 dollar.
Regional pricing on Steam did help to reduce piracy on PC games here, that I'm sure so kudos for Gaben.
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Yeah, regional pricing makes a lot of difference. That makes steam basically the only store I use. Paying in dollar is a no and on top of the exchange rate we also pay tax because it's considered international purchase. I think it's partially the reason why Steam became this huge gamming platform it is today.
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I just checked "Risk of Rain 2" as an example and we have nearly same prices which is a fair price imo, Gaben knows there's a big gaming community in your country and that's good for PC gamers.
Have a good day Rachel.
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Let's hope the publishers don't forget that. lol
Have a good day.
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Regional pricing on Steam did help to reduce piracy on PC games here, that I'm sure so kudos for Gaben.
Don't think the Regional pricing really affected much my location at the time. I barely owned any Steam games in the past as they were quite affected by the European Union pricing. Where most people would be paid in Euro's with a much greater salary range, Romania would and still is one of the lowest-paid countries and we still own our own currency, which isn't that powerful.
I have to check the actual price in the area as I don't get anymore the same prices.
Update: Yes, most games on Steam are priced as Euro. So most games were beyond the affordability level if I looked back. Unless Romania starts having 1000 EURO/month minimum salary and converts to it, I don't see why anything would change there.
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Thanks for the input, I was kinda eager to ask about the matter, It sucks that they still don't have a fair price according to the wage. Piracy is a complicated thread here, I like to call It the "Pandora's Box" of SG :P
Have a good one Vasharal.
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Thanks Jonathan!
Although I don't endorse it anymore and I put a lot more time into games I purchase as I care where I invest my money, I see some of its benefits.
For instance, you could check if you like a game or not and only then decide if you wish to purchase it. You can't rent games anymore, not with my awareness in the UK. But if someone has an idea of a website that does that, that would save people using the method.
Alternatively, it would be to purchase a game and play it for no more than 2 hours and see if you like it right off the get go. If you don't, refund the game back to Steam. Although at times, some games are difficult to be judged under just 2 hours of gameplay.
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Yeah, I don't endorse It either, regional pricing helped so much here, It's 1/2 price compared to the U.S. on specific titles, specially indie games and old school. The new Battlefield is on pair with the dollar, It's a line with triple A.
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México. Fun fact, you probably heard of Demonoid years ago. It was a shock to know that the last main servers were here in Monterrey Nuevo Leon, I can't remember but It was an International warrant and at least 3 people went to jail, no clue if they still there. The keds papera gave a small space to this but It was really a surprise for me. No clue if the page still exists and I don't want to know. The authorities had to compliment the order because It was a cooperation between nations. For me It's laughable because there are factories in X states creating thousands of DVD movies and the federal police knows them and they get paid and they let them know about raids so It's a complicated matter.All these factories wouldnt exist if laws/authorities were strict here, and the only way to stop this is to endorse the law but corruption It's a way of living here (sadly). The U.S. apply their laws strictly and this is why piracy aint a thing (even their ISPs warn them). There are some threads about piracy here, It's probably the most controversial subject. Rachel is right, It is a crime after all, you and me were juvie criminals that got away with It in the past, a judge would probably put us to do some community service, you just can't put people in bars because of illegal downloads, jails are full here but anyway I feel like the good thing is that most people stop downloading at some point. There still ways to redeem ourselves I guess...like buying the titles on Steam.
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Rachel is right, It is a crime after all, you and me were juvie criminals that got away with It in the past, a judge would probably put us to do some community service, you just can't put people in bars because of illegal downloads, jails are full here but anyway I feel like the good thing is that most people stop downloading at some point. There still ways to redeem ourselves I guess...like buying the titles on Steam.
There's very few people that actually pirate because they want to not pay for a game. I'm currently rebuying any games I've played in the past and if I want to, I can revisit them that way. My wishlist is increasing all the time and I no longer use piracy to get games I want. I am happy to wait for games, because nowadays reviews and streams are accessable for games and because I can afford games, I have built my backlog on Steam to play games I paid money for.
If Rachel or judges think we should pay for it, maybe we should. But who is free of guilt/sin in the end I wonder.
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It's funny because when I complain about fair/regional prices on a game community, the 1st thing people from rich countries come to say is that we [from poor regions] complain over little money [10-20$ means nothing to them] or that I have no right to because I own 5800+ games and I must be rich.
I've come from a similar environment. Only one person that is in your shoes can understand what you're going through. I didn't take notice of your game library, but to be fair, that makes you quite wealthy. I doubt you'll ever play the games you own, but focusing on the ones that matter is key.
On the piracy subject, I'm not into it. Never have. I believe that if I can't pay for it then I shouldn't play that game or watch that movie. Piracy to me is the same as stealing. Besides there's always a choice. With so many options to choose from, it's not hard to find a game I can afford or a streaming service I can pay for. I don't agree that the game industry actions are an excuse for piracy because in the end they will justify their actions based on that as well. Games are expensive because of piracy... piracy exist because games are expensive. One bad thing doesn't justify the other or make it right. All bs in my opinion. Certainly won't legitimize their poor excuses with piracy. This is obviously not a criticism on what you did/do, just my belief. Besides, I rather give my money to companies that respect me enough to put a fair price on their products.
Perfectly understandable and makes sense what you're saying. I am by no means proud of pirating in the past, but it was difficult to own and play games when your parents would not afford to buy it or give you money to begin with. I think that's the difficult part of being a child, never being able to afford games you want.
I no longer go by the same principle. I do want to get games a lot cheaper, so I wait for a sale or a bundled offer to jump on it and very rarely do I get suede by new game releaseses.
Would I pirate again? No. Do I think it was a bad thing to do? Yes, partially. Do I feel ashamed of pirating games? Not at all. I think people do all kinds of things to save a buck and get what they want. It was the easiest way to not put myself or my family in a financial debt for many years and that's an important thing for me at least.
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Wealthy is subjective. You are taking solely the amount of games I own in consideration, just like everybody else. But to be fair, that's all you can do since you do not know me at all. Still, your conclusion shouldn't be based on just that.
My salary was always minimum wage or a little bit above. That is what most Brazilians make. But I own what I choose to do with that money. I save to buy the things I want and need. Rather buy a game than eat at a restaurant. So I rarely eat out. Cooking is much cheaper. That doesn't mean I have a lot of money. I just use the amount of money I have wise, even if it's not a lot.
It's so easy to accumulate games on steam. I'm amazed people judge based on that. Sell your cards, profile backgrounds and emoticons to buy games. That's what I have been doing the past 6 months. Haven't spent a single cent of my own money. With no job atm I have to prioritize other things like bills. Besides, there are sales every month.... every week. So many ways to save and buy games for cheap. You really don't need to be rich. Just have a steam account for almost a decade and spend wise. It's not like I bought 5k games in half a year. But people couldn't care less.
And the amount I own doesn't have any correlation to whether I play them or not. I have played 68% of my games. Not sure why you'd think that.
On the matter of piracy, I think your way of thinking is mistaken. 1st that doing all kind of things to save money doesn't justify, not when it's meant for games. This is more of a general statement than it being about piracy. Because if you say piracy is ok and people do what they need to do to save money, then what's next? Is credit card fraud ok to save money? Doesn't stop there. People need boundaries. Mostly forced by law because they have no common sense to do it by themselves.
Anyway, games are not a basic need, it's not even reasonable to say you chose piracy over putting your family into debt. You simply don't play it. No one sane you'd get into debt because of games. Makes no sense. It's the same principle with most anything. I do not own a car. I can't afford one so I won't drive. I'm not gonna steal the 1st car I see on the street or try to scam someone selling their car or go to the impound and take the 1st one I find. No car belong to me because I have not paid for them.
Piracy seems something people are okay doing because it's a digital good that they can't physically see to give it the monetary value/importance it has, so they use whatever excuses they can. Imagine your job is to draw and someone else sees it on the internet and use it for themselves, without paying you a cent. You did all the hard work and someone else used it for free... no one works for free. The game industry included. So why is it that people feel they have the right to play a game, use an app, see a movie they haven't paid for? If it's about being abstract, then is it ok to appropriate for myself of a source code to some program?
Would you steal clothes? Or an architecture project? Or a tablet?
It's sad to think that to most people the only reason the answers to those questions are no is because it's against the law. Morality means nothing and people only think about themselves. A long as it wasn't their hard work it's ok to take advantage of others.
It's unfortunate that we are in 2021 and still don't have internet laws.
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Wealthy is subjective. You are taking solely the amount of games I own in consideration, just like everybody else. But to be fair, that's all you can do since you do not know me at all. Still, your conclusion shouldn't be based on just that.
When I meant by wealthy I was reffering a large gaming library. I am not judging you and little I care if you have 10 games or 1000 really. You've made a remark that you've got 5800+ games which even if they were worth all $5800 can place you in a better spot than other people who don't have that. What I'm trying to get at is being grateful of what you have, and not take my word as an attack or anything of a sort, because that's not what I meant in the first place.
My salary was always minimum wage or a little bit above. That is what most Brazilians make. But I own what I choose to do with that money. I save to buy the things I want and need. Rather buy a game than eat at a restaurant.
Again, I don't see a problem in your lifestyle. I spend money on stuff I want, because I work hard to get them. I don't see why that's a problem and why would anybody mind that aspect.
It's so easy to accumulate games on steam. I'm amazed people judge based on that. Sell your cards, profile backgrounds and emoticons to buy games. That's what I have been doing the past 6 months.
That's rather impressive. Again, I feel you understood wrongly my message. You don't have to justify yourself to anybody how you got your games, although that's a remarcable way to do it. I gotta give you that. Don't forget that I am like yourself a passionate gamer that had to rise from somewhere. It just happens to be that my economical situation although minimum wage in UK, it's as average as yours. I don't go out spending on restaurants or pubs or clubs, rather pay my bills and whatever I'm left with, invest in games and stuff I want.
And the amount I own doesn't have any correlation to whether I play them or not. I have played 68% of my games. Not sure why you'd think that.
I say this because 5800+ games is a great deal and I find it quite difficult to finish them all if not, more than that and actually spend a good quality time on them. Maybe that's just me. Again. I feel you've taken the "I think you're quite wealthy" wrongly. There's many ways to be wealthy and to be fair, having the ability to play many games and owning them puts you in quite a good spot. You may not see it that way right now because your economical situation is difficult overall.
On the matter of piracy, I think your way of thinking is mistaken. 1st that doing all kind of things to save money doesn't justify, not when it's meant for games. This is more of a general statement than it being about piracy. Because if you say piracy is ok and people do what they need to do to save money, then what's next?
Piracy is not okay, I don't claim that it was a good thing to do and I don't think it ultimately serves developers who put their efforts to get the games out to the public. I've only said that I've used it in the past to help myself have the things I needed without spending a great amount of money. Do I condone it? No. I am rather neutral and nowadays, when my financial situation is a lot better, I am slowly buying/rebuing games I've played in the past, to have them in my collection of played games or if I wish to reply them. It's a way for me to get back to the developers that I've not been able to afford paying in the past.
Is credit card fraud ok to save money? Doesn't stop there.
That is a lot more complicated and would get you into a bigger problem in the past, not to mention in today's standards. I think you're making this thing a lot bigger than it is, but okay.
Anyway, games are not a basic need, it's not even reasonable to say you chose piracy over putting your family into debt. You simply don't play it. No one sane you'd get into debt because of games. Makes no sense. It's the same principle with most anything. I do not own a car. I can't afford one so I won't drive. I'm not gonna steal the 1st car I see on the street or try to scam someone selling their car or go to the impound and take the 1st one I find.
You're comparing separate things over here, but I get what you mean. One thing is actually stealing a car from someone and one thing is using a copy of a product. I can see you're really passionate about anti-piracy. In the end, I feel you've taken this a little personal.
If what you say would have been a solution, then we'd never have this conversation, because if I'd not play games, I'd probably not start doing so later in my life, when let's say I'd afford it. I'd probably be a totally different person and this conversation would not take place. So it would be with thousands if not millions of gamers in the world who once if not many more times pirated a game.
Imagine your job is to draw and someone else sees it on the internet and use it for themselves, without paying you a cent. You did all the hard work and someone else used it for free... no one works for free.
Yes, but that's a totally different thing. Through piracy you don't generate wealth for yourself, you're a consumer. You don't distribute it, unless you become a distributor.
The game industry included. So why is it that people feel they have the right to play a game, use an app, see a movie they haven't paid for?
Not everybody lives by the same principles and if you grow in an enviroment where things like this are becoming easier to own than affording them, it is less difficult.
It's unfortunate that we are in 2021 and still don't have internet laws.
It starts in some countries, like UK, Germany and probably other european countries. This is why it's not so common other than much poorer countries.
Leaving that behind, please understand that I don't think piracy is by all means good, but neither do I think that overpricing games or pricing them the same everywhere is justifiable. A lot of the things I've done in the past, I've done them at a much younger age, where as a kid you'd get easily influenced into doing stuff because you don't undestand the consequences of your actions. As I got older, I understood the weight and the difficulty of a game developer is and I endorse paying for games.
Heck, I don't value my games now if I'd not pay for the games and when I pay a larger amount of money, I somewhat value it more because I've spent more and I decide to spend a lot more money on it.
Humans, even if you like it or not, will always find a way to get stuff cheaper or for free. It's in our DNA to find shortcuts until we finally value stuff for what they trully are when we are in other people's shoes.
Going forward, althogh I've been doing this for a couple of years now, I will not go for piracy. Not because the goverment tells me, or because you or anybody else doesn't agrees with it, because I've changed and because I want to pay for something I own. Because I can afford it and because I find more value from it.
In the end I can't and don't intend to change your mind about the subject, but don't take it personal, please. 🙏🏻
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We're so close
- Intel core i7 7700k with an NH-D14 but its so hot, i keep it stock.
- 16GB of RAM
- Asus Prime Z270-A
- Asus GTX1070 Turbo put an artic accelero 3 on it because it was a jet engine.
- 2TB WD Green + 2TB Teamgroup nvme + 512GB Kingston Sata SSD
i wanted to upgrade this year but the idea of spending 1k+ on a graphics card disheartens me... :(
How much i spent on it, around 1000$, but i keep recycling parts from old builds, this is the second PC for my PSU, a Cooler Master Gold 800W, its the fourth PC of my case, an old CM Scout 2.
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i wanted to upgrade this year but the idea of spending 1k+ on a graphics card disheartens me... :(
How much i spent on it, around 1000$, but i keep recycling parts from old builds, this is the second PC for my PSU, a Cooler Master Gold 800W, its the fourth PC of my case, an old CM Scout 2.
I use whatever I can keep too. I don't throw away unless I find no use, like a GPU or CPU that is outdated and the price online is not worth it.
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Desktop:
- CPU: i74790K 4.0GHz
- MB: Asus Z97-A 3.1 USB
- GPU: MSI GTX 960 Gaming 4G
- RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB
- SSD: Samsung 970 Evo 500GB
- HDD1: Seagate BarraCuda 4TB
- HDD2: Toshiba 2TB
- HDD3: WD Blue 512GB
Laptop: Eluktronics RP-17 144Hz AMD Ryzen Laptop
- CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H
- GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060
- RAM: 16GB
I think the laptop is fine for my use-cases. I need to upgrade my desktop because GTX 960 isn't that powerful for games nowadays and adding 8GB RAM will be enough I hope. If I would buy the GPU I will probably go for RTX 3060 or RTX 3070.
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I think the laptop is fine for my use-cases. I need to upgrade my desktop because GTX 960 isn't that powerful for games nowadays and adding 8GB RAM will be enough I hope. If I would buy the GPU I will probably go for RTX 3060 or RTX 3070.
If you only keep it for gaming 16GB RAM should be more than enough for the years to come.
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i got an old alienware laptop, with gtx 765m, i7 4700mq, 8gb ram , 750 gb hdd. just recently bought an rx 6900 xt and now waiting for other parts to complete the new build. this is gonna be my first proper build that do myself :D
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Thank you! the GPU looks absolutely amazing! never thought i'd be able to get one
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If you still wanna use it and struggle with the new games, try GeForce Now. I think it's a great service and it helps people play games that are nowadays with a lot more ease.
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Desktop:
CPU: Ryzen 5900x
MOBO: B550 MSI Tomahawk
RAM: 32 GB RAM (3600 MHz CL16)
GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 3,5+0,5GB :) - I am waiting already 1 year for my Asus TUF 3080 OC (probably never see it ;) )
Storage: 2 TB NVMe SSD + 4TB HDD (rest died recently) + 8TB outside HDD but connected.
PSU: Seasonic Prime PX-850
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GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 3,5+0,5GB :) - I am waiting already 1 year for my Asus TUF 3080 OC (probably never see it ;) )
What do you mean you've waited? Did you purchase it and never arrive?
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Purchased with PC, but on separate order to not delay main computer :) and still it is "in realisation" (not cancelled). They even contacted with me to ask if I will be also ok with LHR version (of course yes) :). Could also get 3060 instead faster (but with probably bad price). Also they offered 1000 PLN (around 250$) discount for something else if I will cancel order.
Worse part is that i also bought 1440p (160Hz) monitor before bought PC and it only takes dust for a over year as I use my older 1080p monitor;). Now I wish I decided to return it as was not totally convinced by this monitor (i mean this exactly monitor - as i see some darker parts on both sides) - but it was in promotion.
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Just offered me other card (worse) Zotac 3080 trinity OC lhr wit additional payment 200pln (around 50$). Totally it will be 4169pln = 1000usd with 23%vat). I can also still just get 250$ discount to use before end of 1q2022 and resign. But market prices are probably around x2 from this price. It will be bitter sweet decision but probably will get this card (decision to the end of day)
Ps. Big coincidence they offered me after 1 year and after i wrote it here:). SG gives me luck or something :).
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Just updated (i mean I will put new card inside today):
Desktop:
CPU: Ryzen 5900x
MOBO: B550 MSI Tomahawk
RAM: 32 GB RAM (3600 MHz CL16)
GPU: Nvidia 3080 LHR 10GB - received other card that I ordered 1 year after i ordered it :)
Storage: 2 TB NVMe SSD + 4TB HDD (rest died recently) + 8TB outside HDD but connected.
PSU: Seasonic Prime PX-850
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CPU: i5-8400
MOBO: H310M H2.0
RAM: 16 GB
GPU: GTX 1060 6gb
Storage: 1x 500GB SSD + 2TB HDD
I'd hope I don't need to change anything for at least 2 more years but perhaps change the GPU to a RTX 3060 when prices normalize down the line, in case new games can't be handled by my GPU then (I don't mind playing in 30fps on 1080p with low/medium graphics). I doubt I need to replace my CPU for a while.
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Since the new RTX 4K series are coming, expect the RTX 3K series to probably normalize at some point in the next 2 years.
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Hello friends,
Here's a question for you: What's your Desktop/Laptop Specs right now? Where do you want to be in the near future and how much would it cost you for an upgrade?
📉 My Old Dekstop PC Specs are:
📈 My New Dekstop PC Specs Upgrades are:
💸 I wanna get in the next coming months:
💷 Costs:
The prices listed and subject to change due to constant changes of the market. So don't take them for granted.
💵 SUB-TOTAL = £524.98 ($700.18/€623.88) (no GPU)
💶 TOTAL = £993.98 - £1,173.98 ($1,325.41 - $1,565.43 /€1,181.05 - €1,394.92)
UPDATE 23.01.2023: I finally got my hands on a GPU. I got an RTX 3080 and with it a PSU 750W otherwise the old PSU would risk affecting the new GPU. My setup is finally complete.
CPU: £768.59 ($951.18/€875.42)
PSU: £77.37 ($95.75/€88.13)
🌌 What do I plan to use it for?
Well, a couple of things:
Since I've listened to your feedback in the comments, I want to thank everybody who has shared their views. That has helped me to change my components and go for alternative upgrades. Thank you for your support! 🙏🏻
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