What kind of changes would you like to see on sgifts?
I understand why the system was put in place in the first place, however, now with more regions getting different pricing, it's ruining some great games. I understand that there are few people on staff, but perhaps it's time to grow and change with Steam. Steam is growing and changing, adding regions and opening new markets. India is pretty cheap now too.
You can disagree or agree with me. Just throwing out my two cents. I'm sure plenty of people would love to continue to help make this place awesome. So I doubt there is a lack of manpower available. :)
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what about countries with region-lock, but that still pay US prices?
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My idea was different region locks = different CV percentage (based on the average price in the particular region, because you are right, some regions are not ROW but price is the same as the US), but someone pointed out below how it can be abused easily so now I am sad again :(
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But that can still be skewed towards less value for money, the same problem removing region locks wants to solve isn't it?
I know some countries pay MORE than ROW, so will you agree that their share should be greater than ROW value? Or that certain countries with ROW keys get lesser value because someone else in ROW too is paying more for that. I suppose EU on average pays more than US just simply because $1=/=1EU but they still get credit only for $ prices.
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some countries pay MORE than ROW, so will you agree that their share should be greater than ROW value?
Absolutely, however we already came to a conclusion that "regional CV" idea won't work :(
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Because it can be abused and not because of the vast difference of purchasing power per country which is what the region lock is addressing. As a gaming platform, Steam wanted to make games easier to distribute and more affordable. A console game sits at about 6 days worth of minimum wage here. That's the vast difference. Gimping other people because they have lesser ability than yours is something akin to giving impaired people lesser rights because they can do fewer tasks compared to you.
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like Brasil, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia? and others.. yeah sucks not being able to buy cheap but still getting the kick in the teeth.. wait! Brasil does have better prices, same for Mexico, Colombia MIGHT get it too, but not Argentina, some say it's because we're so such small percent/margin of the market so Valve doesn't even notice us..
and some wonder why I almost stooped doing giveaways...
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By the way, guys, I think everyone here is taking the subject personally. I don't think anyone here suggests that ALL RU games (or other cheap regions) should get bundled status. We are talking about games which already got a bundled status because of lower prices in certain regions, but ROW they have never been that cheap. In this sense Russian gifters have nothing to lose, but it is (sorry, but it is) unfair towards the rest of the world users with the current system. For example, if I am gifting a RU/CIS restricted game that has been very cheap on sale, this one should have a bundled status. If I am gifting a ROW game that has never been as cheap ROW as the RU/CIS price, it should have unbundled status.
For example, virtually the only game with a better ROW price in my region (EU2) - The Talos Principle - now has bundled status because apparently the RU price was even cheaper and it made the game over 95% off compared to the US price. While most other games are 10-20% more expensive in EU2 compared to the US price, but no one considers this unfair, of course.
All I am saying is, if 1 game is supposed to be added to the bundle list (like Talos, or Heavy Bullets, or Shadow Warrior before that, etc) because of it's very cheap price in a certain region, it should be added to the bundled list to that region only. ROW copies of this game shouldn't be considered bundled, because there is no reason for them to be such.
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The problem is (as some smart people pointed out ) that SG cannot track whether key or gift is region restricted or not. You can separate ROW and region restricted giveaways but system can be easily tricked. Small group, people from the same region, create "row" giveaways while actually giving region restricted games to each other.
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People are not going to give away great games cough... TALOS... cough because it's now on the list. Community is suffering because a few individuals may or may not be abusing the system by acquiring certain games very cheap due to temporary pricing errors and/or regional pricing while 80-90%+ of other members still have to pay a lot. Sad days.
With that said "removing region restricted giveaways" is a bad idea. Many people cannot buy not region restricted games but would still love to share with others. CV ratio should be adjusted based on region restriction.
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+1, planned more giveaways, but its too unpredictable what will end up on bundledlist and what not even if its only -66% in my region so no point to give away nonbundled AAA games, you can never be sure if any region dont have price error or something.
lets love bundleleftoverkeys.com (more appropiate name now for this site)
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So you give away games only for CV? Why the most of your giveaways are bundled games then?
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No, but if the site says "thanks for your 3-dollar contribution" when you gift a 20-dollar game, you seriously wonder how much your efforts are valued… It's like giving somebody something and some authority coming to you saying "Yeah, yeah, nice, kid, but this thing doesn't worth much anyway."
Frankly, I wouldn't mind if they removed CV too. Or the levels tied to it.
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It sort of does, this is what the contributor value represents, or at least it can be an interpretation.
It also represents an e-peen contest for some, sadly.
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The majority is group and private GAs already, just look at the Archive.
Levels in the current state are just flaunting money. If it was based on ratio, it would have some sense, but how is someone beneficial for the SG community as a gifter if, as a random number, they have 5000 USD sent and 15000 received?
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Future price errors/bundles are irrelevant. If, as an example you were to create a Fallout 4 giveaway now and the next new currency had a price glitch equating to $3 you'd still get full CV. The only time you'd loose cv from it would be when the base price dropped and that's something that everyone has to deal with AAA game or not.
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+1. A lot of great games are on the bundled list now even though they never got a that big discount in any ROW region, but only in specific (often locked) regions. Russian prices are overall very cheap and with any bigger (66%+) sale of certain games their discount price is lower than 95% off in the ROW regions anyway. I agree the CV ratio should be calculated differently for different regions, and it should be easy considering our SG accounts now have a region too. Real bundle games should go to the bundle list that is common for all, and specific regions should have specific 'bundled' games of their own based on very low discounts offered in that region. I know CV is not the main focus of SG and it sucks discussing it, but it still sucks more to punish the whole community because certain few people are having an advantage over the others.
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CV ratio should be adjusted based on region restriction.
This. Shouldn't be too hard to implement either.
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The problem is that it could be abused, someone could make a group for people of certain region only and then gift the games without marking them as region locked. I think this has been mentioned as the reason why it wouldn't work.
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+1
Not sure what to do with my Talos gifts now.
By the way, to all people who say gifting is not about CV: Then why is there a level-system on the site anyways? It's a competition-module, people started buying region restricted gifts to get the same CV as the people who paid 3 times more. This is clearly not about gifting and I'm not even sure what to think about CV / levels anymore. It was a good idea to select different groups of people (e.g. if someone wants to gift a game to someone who contributed more than the average) but your level can be easily boosted with region locked games. It should be seperated so that everyone who's let's say level 5, gifted the same value and not a ROW person who paid 3 times more than russian folks (or ROW people who buy and gift locked games ;)).
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This thread titles sounds like a theat with that "or..." XD
I agree though, some changes are needed (not the removal of region lock giveaway though).
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The problem is - steamgifts have no means to check if given away game have region lock. So, if there will be separate bundle lists - people would abuse this, buy giving away locked games as row (it would work for closed groups). Only if sg would pass gifts through some bot (as on gameminer, for example), there would be possible to split it without worrying (and much more, for example - split keys and gifts, because most games in bundles give you a key, so no need to count gifts as bundled). But I doubt something like this would be implemented, so my vote is - "i like the current system".
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Could you please show the example for a game that was 66% off and got the bundled-status because of that? I don't know of one.
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Hum I'm not updating the bundle list, but I figure it's on there because it was stackable with that alienware coupon?
If someone feels that this specific game has been added wrongfully, it might be helpful to ask in the community why it#s on the list and then file a ticket, so it may be removed from the list.
I just think it's a wrong assumption that games with -66% get "bundled" because they are cheap in russia. They would if the reduction succeeds 95% of the US prices, but that's not case. Even with cheap russian prices.
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It wasn't added wrongfully. It was added to prevent abuse and level boost. The point is that you could buy this game for $1-3 (not sure what the actual price was) in Russia with RU/CIS region lock but you cannot buy this game close to this price anywhere else.
So what I personally was trying to say is that less people will choose to give this particular game away because it feels a bit silly to pay more for the game than you get credited in terms of CV.
I would still give Talos away because it's a great game and many people want it (and CV is not really important to me at this point) but majority would rather spend their $8-10 on some actual "non-bundled" game. There are more games like this. Talos was just added today so it's a hot topic.
I am just saying that it is pretty sad that great games are pretty much being excluded from a giveaway pool because of regional prices / price glitches.
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Hey, I just answered your reply in general, as I didn't know what OP was talking about. Thanks for letting me know in the first place.
What I meant with wrongfully is, that people can file a ticket and ask support to remove a game from the bundle list, when they have the right arguments.
Edit: Oh and it might be not clear, but I'm just arguing with the "66% off in russia means bundled status"-statement, as this a false assumption I think. The prices aren't lower than 95% of US prices in these cases
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No, I totally understand what you meant. I am just saying that according to current rules it was added to the list rightfully so it should stay there unless rules change. There are plenty of games like this. They won't make an exception for this particular one.
Edit: I see you edit now. I don't really know what the actual price in Russia was and if it was a temporary glitch or some combination of discount + alienware coupon. Seems like somehow it brought Russian price to 95% off US price so this is why it was added to the list.
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Well I hope people will still give that game away, although it's a bummer that it is already on the list. But I guess it will have the same price reductions like Shadow Warrior (same publisher isn't it?) during wintersale. It's still a nice giveaway (even in terms of bundled cv], when you can get it for ~5 dollars.
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not a game but software: leadwerks was reduced to 75% and now it is on bundle list due to it's cheap price in russia. So basically, you pay 24euro to buy it and get 15$ CV.
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If you only care about CV you are doing something wrong.
Really, what's wrong with someone getting high CV because of lower prices? Does it affect you directly, every day? How???
I personally suffer because I can't buy region-free copies from Steam anymore. That's the fact. SG did what seemed best (region-locked giveaways).
SG is about giveaways/gifts etc not about CV!
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So why we need CV?
And yes, it affects everyone. Because if I could easily (and cheap) reach level 10 it is not fair to the people who gives a lot in expensive regions.
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HOW does it affect you? Or anyone? Just how?
You want to reach lvl 10?
I'm sorry but that's not what SG is about. Levels/CV are a bonus.
If you are giving away to receive a honor/medal that's not a giveaway. That's to say the least an investment.
Also we didn't have CV back then. CV is an option, not a rule. And back then as I remember it was a move to get bundled games to this site (we couldn't give away bundled games).
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Just my 2 cents. So say people who only make giveaway with region lock and gets to Max Level/CV. They can enter in all giveaway region lock or not. But the same person who has been giveaway game without region lock can only enter 1 side.
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Carrying only bout the CV kinda misses the whole point of creating gibs tbh .
IT may be unfair for some , that other region got the game for almost free , and you spent 20-30$ on it ...
But there is always a way to check if the game counts as bundled or not , b4 giving it away.
And you can always just buy 5 copies of Barbie dreamhouse party to giveaway instead
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Well, the thing is that the regions in which these games are very cheap also have very small wages.
On the other hand, both my country and yours, have euro2 prices and small wages. :))
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dont be forum troll, if you buy something on steam to give out something special then you expect to get a bit more than bundle CV aswell.
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I somehow agree with you, but we must admit that cv is crucial anyway.
For example: I think that giveaway for heavily discounted game (80%+) are rarer than before, after the "<95% in ANY region etc..." rule became "famous". that's a pity.
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Jeah I think that guy won't get positive emotions from me - in terms of having a chance of winning games.
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well yeah, thats how it should be ... in theory anyways.
and im sure most people give away games because they like doing so, and thats out of question - but at the same time im pretty sure giveaways with higher lvl req are very real, so alas, cv is real too (:
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Weird Russian prices?
USA monthly income (average/lowest) - 3k/1.2k usd
Russia monthly income - 514.67/120 usd
So, Russian guy can buy 17 Fallout 4 copies and starve to death, while USA guy need to buy 50 to meet same end.
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hungarian average salary: 500eur, enough for 8 fallout4, food prices, electricy just same like in other west-eu countries what is your opinion?:-)
i dont care how much games costs for russians, but its weird that if i buy a game for 7eur it will count as bundled because russians can buy for 2eur what isnt ROW and cant give out as ROW.
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Gross, not net. The net average income is around 165,000 HUF. But in reality the average household lives from 77,000-105,000 HUF/person, including food, clothing, utilities. Just a comparison: Fallout 4 costs 14,000 on the largest game store's web shop for base edition, 40,000 for collector's.
And also keep in mind that we add 27% tax on everything, including digital goods.
So yes, we pay Western Europe prices with quarter of the income. Thanks, publishers!
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Yes, gross, thats why i said "starve to death".
And i hope you not trying to say something liek "Hungarians are poor, Russians are rich"
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No, but your costs are lower than ours. ANd since we are at the discussion of Steam games: average Russian prices: USD-60% Average Hungarian prices: USD+7%. Average salary difference between Hungary and Russia: below 20%. Cost of living difference: about 10-20% cheaper in Russia.
So yeah. We have a few statistics to justify why we bitch about Steam prices.
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They can.
- Do a private group.
- Invite only russian users.
- Do a giveaway of locked game for this group, but mark it as row
- ????????
- Profit!
That's, I suppose, the reason why bundle list is one for all.
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Don't give them any ideas D: but this is a good point actually...
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Well this already happened before the region-system
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If there were regional CV lists, SG could make it so that any group giveaways for games that are bundled in at least one region count as bundled CV. Same for private giveaways.
The different lists would still work ok for public giveaways.
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i dont care how much games costs for russians
Oh, don't be modest, you do.
if i buy a game for 7eur it will count as bundled because russians
Bundled because of bundle, not russians ;)
From FAQ:
Keep in mind that changes to the list of bundle games will apply retroactively, so if a bundle begins today, attempting to gift the game before it's added to the list will offer no advantage. Games may also be added to the bundle list if they're available for free during a promotion, or if they're highly discounted in a sale.
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Bundled because of bundle, not russians ;)
Lesgrossman is most likely talking about TALOS, which got bundled because the store price during the sle in combination with a discount coupon brought the Russian store price to/below 95% off of the US store price.
So the game got bundled because of the Russian Steam store price, not because it was featured in a bundle.
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Hello, Bulgaria here with (big cities) average salary around 400 euro. Minimal is 150. ;)
If someone else wants to complain, please consider this as well. We are EU2 too.
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i usually complain on steam in the name of whole east-eu and balkan, this time i mentioned only Hungary, but you right, balkan region and east-eu needs to be separate pricing region, that why i could play games with more friends because on affordable game prices i guess they would stop pirating.
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Exactly that. I was at some friends the other day and one guy was playing Remember Me on a laptop. I asked oh, you got it from the recent Humble? And he's no, I pirated it, cause it was free. In this regard, how do Valve imagine that gamers in our countries with much lesser salaries than the rest of Europe will buy games, especially at these super expensive prices like 60 euro per a new game? I bet a lot of them wouldn't pay even $30 (the RU price), unless of course a buying culture started to develop, which can only happen with consistent affordable and reasonable for the given market prices. I know a lot of Russian users who buy most (if not all) new games on Steam, who have 2-3-4k games, who are avid gamers and collectors. Because RU prices have been here for several years now - honestly, I do not have real data to compare sales in Russia before and after they introduced regional pricing, but I am guessing Valve think this method works since they are introducing even more new regions on Steam now.
I also know they probably think CEE (Central and Eastern Europe) is a too small market to care about, unfortunately.... Maybe after they introduce separate regions for all countries in Africa and Asia, they will finally consider making a separete region here, if they even want to figure out how to price differently different countries in the EU. Not saying Africa or Asia do not deserve separate pricing - many countries there are even more poor than ours here, but I am just too tired of waiting for Valve to finally start caring for us as a market and customers.
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Pretty sure they thought about it, but EU laws would probably kill them.
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Source is google, for both countries, dont like it? blame google.
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That $1,200 figure is fairly close. Federal minimum wage is $7.25. At that rate if you work 40 hours per week and pay 10% income tax you will make $1,044 per month.
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so you guys can buy 17
here we can buy just 4, and the money is over.
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It's SteamGIFTS not SteamCV.
By the way - then you in CIS Steam profile you just CAN'T buy a RAW game.
Stop carrying about CV, just GIVE them AWAY.
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Any region can buy ROW region keys at official resellers, unless the resellers themselves carry region-specific keys. Which they almost never do. Even Nuuvem carries ROW keys, they were just forced to implement a region check for buyers to avoid people from outside SA to exploit their prices.
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and pay 1/5 monthly income for Fallout 4 ? (Fallout taken as example)
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Nope, the average ownership of new games is pretty low, but the upper class can indeed afford it; same as anywhere else. The PC market has shifted recently to online bargain hunting on AAA titles as we slowly try to get more legal. Slowly. (Without getting a 60% price reduction because of local currency. :)) But the piracy rating is still high. Not Russian/Chinese level high, but near there.
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I can't buy it in STEAM.
Any region can buy ROW region keys at official resellers, BUT WHY FOR???
I don't care for over ways to buy, cos I can't affrord it.
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Well, I found the way to make it right - STEAM just have to get out of CIS. That's the solution! Go tell it to Gabe.
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Well, if the Russian government made a local facebook, they could just "acquire" Cenega or 1C (or both) and make their own platform. :D
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Oh my.
Why goverment? Damn they bad russians and baaad russian goverment!\
Anyway you have to start from Gabe. Tell him to loose his money. Then I'll deal the russian goverment.
Yep, I'm bad too.
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I heard jokes about "VK is made by FSS to collect our data!" and I even sort of seen how they forced their opinion into the site, but hearing this in English speaking site... I guess our propaganda works baaaad, really baaaad. =:D
Also, nooooooooo, don't give 1C such ideas! Don't you know about their 1C:Enterprise product? It's like Excel+Access+some more, but in Uplay edition. =:-O
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English speaking, but not living that far. Russian politics are more of an everyday news piece here than overseas ones. And yes, we heard about vkontakte, although the press here pretty much confirmed that it is government-controlled.
I know about 1C and their knack of fucking over their customers, but since they often acquire exlusive publishing rights from many Western companies for the Russian Federation or the CIS region, it sort of a "yeah, you are screwed, but this is your only selectable option" situation.
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Well, I must say that 1C is doing their publishing job not as bad as they are supporting their own Enterprise product.
edit: And, yeah. VK is controlled since April 2014. RIP
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Says they guy who boosted his cv with RU/CIS locked giveaways and 23/30 keys you took from here were ROW.
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Okay I don't get you.
One giveaway you did is RU/CIS. The group giveaways you do rarely get 5 entries meaning a small group. You complained that the site is becoming a dumping ground for bundle keys yet all your giveaways are bundles. Your ratio is Real CV for Sent Gifts is $100.90 vs Real CV for Won Gifts $464.90 yet you're targeting profiles of people who are very similar to yours???
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Yes, I know what's up and only dump bundle keys, exactly as I mentioned.
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So you know you're a hypocrite and yet continue to sit on a high horse... Ok.
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No, I called it for what it is, and I do it exactly that way. That's the opposite of a hypocrite.
But of course, you are obviously a defender with your region locked price reduction country.
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Yeah but hey I've given away non regional non bundle stuff too which oh look, you've never done.
And that's not the opposite of hypocrite, you're the one calling out people who do exactly the same thing as you. You call it conforming and yet other people who do the same are unworthy of defending their position.
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Shame is...
Real CV for Sent Gifts on account BrandeX
100.90 $
Real CV for Won Gifts on account BrandeX
464.90 $
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Yes, and you boosted your CV sent with region locked gifts, otherwise it would be the same. Then went ahead and took everyone else's ROW games instead of sticking to your region.
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teach me how to bye game without region lock ???????????
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Can't we just all get along and play fairly?
True there are some out there using some system flaws to cash in on growing their CV to unlock better GAs, but I believe that the SG community as a whole aren't under the same umbrella. Maybe it's just me being blissfully ignorant.
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It´s not that easy...
As I myself don´t care so much about my own CV, I have to admit there is a level system on this site and it has some importance.
People discuss all the time about their raising or falling level. All the time there are advices to do higher level giveaways, if someone post "oh i had a regifting winner in one of my public giveaways again".
And it´s one of the rare options we can set in giveaways. And therefore, of course to discuss makes this important mechanism sense?
My answer not really, but would it help to count region restricted giveaways different?
No.....it´s easy to abuse. People would do group-giveaways.....what they do btw all the time....and then it´s also questionable if the cv of
group giveaways is comparable to public ones. And as I mentioned in the past, there are those annoying puzzles makers...also with
selfish excluding of many members in the community....this cv should also be reduced.(really evil people)
So again, those levels are not totally pointless, but if someone looks for a giving or generosity-indicator, they could be misleading.
But honestly....I have no idea how the levels could be changend and then not abused.
I think it´s more about how we see the levels....or less see them, than about how they are generated.
So it comes back to the point when levels are used....they are used to setting up a giveaway and restrict it to a level of at least x
(funny fact, you can´t restrict it to a level between or not higher than...why not?)
And here froggy is back again with something he really thinks that should be changed:
More options in setting up giveaways.
Combine hidden and group giveaways. lets us setup up some kind of "has given at least one thing in the last year", " has a ratio not worser than 10 wins vs 1 giveaway" and so on....ok some people don´t like those ideas....but honestly there is , for me, more reason to say.....ok this guy with his 453 wins vs 34 created to his little group, gets this time no entry spot in my giveaway than saying oh this guy with 1 win and 30 giveaways is only level 4....not good enough for me.
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puzzles makers are evil sadistic selfish people....at least some of them, frogs included ;-)
i write it all the time, cause if you mention that some people do mostly group-giveaways one of them points out" but those bad people that do only hidden giveaways, they are even worse
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... What? Puzzle makers are not evil. Some people make puzzles just to challenge their's and other's intellect, others make them to be sure that only those who put in some semblence of an effort may pass through.
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Well, I'm not denying it, I am evil heh, but I'm most definitely not annoying and selfish. If I were annoying, I would pull a Tewam and say yes in every sentence, or a certain Student and say "Barbie!". And if I were selfish, then I would not be doing GAs in the first place. Just saying. You really should try to rephrase your original statement to reflect that you were joking.
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there should be an option to choose the amount of games someone won too... maybe the person is CV level 2, but he can still have 10 times more win games and that's what i kinda hate... i once had a public level 2 GA and someone had 11 given and my game was the 400th(!!!) he won...
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I like your ideas. It's easier to know if a person has given more than taken if you only allow people with a certain ratio, among other options. I think the value of what was given/won should also be taken into account.
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Anyone saying CV doesn't matter and it's not what the site is about is talking complete testicles. If that were the case people wouldn't complain about it and it would have been ditched entirely in favour of another system during the switch to the new site.
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remove region ga = leave outside a lot of people that can only buy from steam.
use regional cv = more exploits as explained below; people in region-locked countries that still pay US prices will get a nerf while still paying full price for gifts.
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+1
best solution I think so far is bundle games by their region.
it will make no harm to devs, users who pay for row and users that pay regional prices.
BUT, as much as we have the ideas and ask for change to a more fair and less harmful improved system, it is not up to us.
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but
i didn't say that
i never said that was the solution... it's the opposite...
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did you purpouse a solution? sorry, I didn't see it.
I thought you just explained consequences... that's why I followed my solution with a "I think".
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Oh, well... after reading all the comments above I guess we are back to square one. System is not perfect and can be easily abused but we have to live with what we have. It will always be unfair to some and too favorable to others. Continue giving if you like the giving part more than crunching numbers. CV and levels will come naturally with time.
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CV and levels do come naturally with time but the atmosphere here hasn't been that way for a long time for the most of the active members to be honest.
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it's quite unfair...
Fallout 4 cost 60$ in the US, which are about 55.8€, in germany the game cost 60€ and that's expensiver (about 64.4$) AND the game is censored so much that you could technicly sell it for 12 y/o kids ._. (almost no blood, corpses are disapearing directly, and even dialog-censoring which is pretty useless!)
in russia you only have to pay 2000 руб. which is about 29€ / 31$
i know russia is poor, but THIS poor? they only have to pay half the price for an AAA game! that's so unfair!
something quite funny now, normaly the british price is a bit expensiver than Euros, but Fallout 4 only cost 40£ which is about 56€ / 60.2$
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Fallout 4 is cut? german link
Additional link (price)
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it says uncut, but trust me, it's cut, you don't know how many great games are cut in germany
and i used the steam prices... that's we're talking here about
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But you can easily buy it on amazon. I just say, f*ck the steam price. You don't need to buy from them. (edit : to clarify, you still get the same product - a steam code) Oh another edit: I was just amused to see that amazon has the same price as the US steam store -> I'm more interested in the cut/uncut-thingie
Anyway, where is the source that it is cut? I just want to know for sure - cause I'd be inclined to buy it during winter sale you know,.
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i'm not 100% sure with the cut thing, but in germany it's always cut when you compare it with the original version
when i want to make a list with good titles that are cut in germany i would be sitting here until tomorrow, but i can start with the following valve games:
- half life series
- left 4 dead series
you all know south park the stick of truth?
you don't have the nazi-zombies, the abortion-mission on randy and way more, luckily i got a Pegi-verison from austria...
for all of them it says for me here in germany this nice little sentece i hate SOOO much!
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Yes I hate that, too. Especially the Valve games were horribly censored and it's sad that I can't just buy uncensored ones on steam.
But I think Fallout 4 has been released uncensored. It's the decission of the publisher to cut a game and most publishers realised that germany is no longer that strict about depiction of violence in video games (it also became ridiculous)
The main reason for having to buy old cut games on steam - like halflife - is that valve never bothered to get an allowance to sell the US retail version in germany, and thus can't do it.
Anyway, I think we're getting the uncut version in germany - I haven't heard otherwise.
Furthermore: Bethesda already published the uncut version of New Vegas in Germany - after they've got the sell-allowance from the USK
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i said i'm not 100% sure with the cut for fallout 4
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Now you can be 100% sure it's uncut: https://youtu.be/ZdMFuXrYP14?t=399
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according to wikipedia, yes, the minimum wage in russia is about 80euro/month
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_minimum_wage
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Don't take CV so serious...
i do, because i'm like stuck as on level 4 for months now ._. and i was at 4.6 a month ago, and after 20 new GAs i'm at 4.53...
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250€ in REAL CV are level 5 you know bundles only give 15% of the real cv?
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so what? i just want to reach the next level and even steam sales count as bundles now ._.
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You could get full bundled CV. Can't be sure about numbers, but I think every $5 non-bundled CV unlocked $1 bundled CV.
So if you gave $20 bundled game and $100 unbundled, you had $120 CV.
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what is your problem with this group? i'm in way too many groups, most of them just for GAs
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facepalm you don't know why this guy is mad at the group-admin
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it's not the end, NerdHouse postet this, because he was once an Admin/Moderator in the original network and then got removed...that's why he wrote this
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Do you know how stupid you sound? Its like you lack the common sense to derive your opinion from clear evidence pointing to the Duck being guilty, and simply accept his word for it. What evidence do you or Duck have that proved he didn't send those emails? Or that he didn't bribe his staff to join him in his shady activities? That his AAA giveaway winners were all himself and his wife? Its like you would ignore all reason and try to fight a losing battle, just to get a few shitty game keys. Is that how easily you can be bought? Whatever your reason, I am unwilling to derail this thread any further thanks to you being a Duck fanatic. You wish to be his pawn, so be it. You wish to get into tons of blacklists, so be it. Good day.
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he never bought me, i'm just in contact with him, we're talking rarely and that's it, i never saw those posts in real
and buying me is impossible...
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Then you are just plain stupid for believing him by word. He never showed you any counter evidence to the clearly proven arguments and screenshots posted in the thread linked above by xScreamx, so why are you even arguing about it with us? Just give it up. Duck is a shady scammer, a douche, a self righteous prick, and a coward. You are wrong. Admit it and move on. I'm not going to respond any further to your messages.
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So what do u suggest? Giving away only worldwide retail keys?
All my gifts, purchased in steam store are region locked.
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There is a non-written rule of 95% discount. Why not use it with some changes?
This idea is not new. It was offered during Tiny Bridge: Ratventure GAs frenzy. Basically it says to bundle the game which gets 95%+ discount ONLY for the region which residents can purchase the game for less than 5% of ROW version price converted to USD. Discounts less than 95% shouldn't bundle games for any region.
Don't forget that our people (RU+CIS) can be pretty cheap. We have A LOT OF people who just pirate games from the torrents. Some of my friends tell me that I am crazy because I prefer to buy my games, not pirate them, and they laugh at my face when they get to know that I also make GAs here, on SG. Some people can't afford buying Talos even for 299 rubles (~3 bucks) for themselves during -66% discount, not to say if they want to give away another copy here in order to farm some "precious" CV. Or... they're just cheap bastards who don't want to pay for their digital entertainment.
I think that everyone cares about their CV, and those who say they don't are either lying or just have a lot of money to spend. But I enjoy giving away games more than earning CV. I try to buy two games from Steam if I can afford it - one for myself and one to giveaway. I try to buy and giveaway ROW versions of the games if I see them on sale on HumbleStore, IndieGala, or any other site. Well, and bundles of course. But sometimes even 2 bundles can leave a hole in one's wallet.
In short, I vote for changes. But not as harsh as making all region restricted GAs bundled.
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Phew... You scared me there for a bit...
How could we live without Barbie games?!!
WE DEMAND IT!!1
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How could barbie afford new dresses if you don't buy her games on a regular base? She would probably have to do an audition for the sakura games with her lack of clothes!
Don't let that happen! or ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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what if you have a restricted gift? you cant just keep that in your inventory.. so what you do? give it to a person who can actually play it from his country. :D dunno bout you but i like the current system as it is.
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so those who buy ROW copy on steam and want to give away a nonbundled game gets nonbundled CV for it and weird russian prices dont mess it up, especially if its -66% only and its an AAA game.
or if you want to keep current system then add different bundled lists for each different pricing region you allow giveaways for.
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