No matter how much security a company provides its customers, security means nothing if the customer does not do their part in keeping themselves safe. As much as the intention behind this may be good, it's not likely to make any real change in the end. We don't need smarter technology, we need smarter people.
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You can view chat logs now?? That was a feature long overdue and voiced several times by the community... Where go you access it from?
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http://steamcommunity.com/chat/ there you go, enter it into your browser
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sad -- I'm used to it from IRC -- the people going "lulzgreentexting" were annoying since, to me, it was like "omgjustdiscoveredHighFive!".
but in the words of Switch, that nearly-non-existent character from The Matrix, "not like this..."
join/part timestamps and chatlogs sounds like a nice benefit though, and I'd trade /me for that.
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If you’re wondering why it was removed, it was because of scammers. There was a trick where the scammer would say that the wallet funds would be transferred to your account after you have given your items. Sadly, many users fell for this and as a result, it is now gone.
So a feature is removed because of retards.... really? That's fucking lame... They shoulda made an announcement or when you join a chat it says Never tell your password to anyone. Also don't forget blue and green chat does not do transactions with accounts.
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The thing about idiocy is that it tends to sort itself out in the long run. Either the idiot wisens up or gets hurt. Interference only prolongs the problem. I'm disappointed that Valve actually thinks that this will ease up their support workload. Then again I have an open ticket with them, and it seems the support guy I got saddled with is an idiot himself.
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good riddens, finally scam assistant /me got removed
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Maybe I haven't been trading enough, but I have never seen the /me feature used to scam people. The OP mentions something about steam wallets; so for this one instance where people could not be bothered to read the trade FAQ provided by steam, a whole feature of the chat option is removed? I find that disturbing in the sense that the strength of the scammers is greater than that of the demands of the customers. I guess scamming really is a problem on steam, one that is more than just a slight occurrence...
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It happens quite a bit (I don't trade either) but people used to try and masquerade as Valve staff using /me to make their message seem 'special' to the victim...
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I've done over 70 trades on SteamTrades an I've never had someone try and pull that on me.
People need to start knowing who they are trading with, checking rep, and being smart.
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Pffff... You mean "+rep" comments? Or steamrep.com (assuming this one as you seem a smart cookie)? I am so sick and tired of people acting like plaintext "+rep" comments that anyone can post on anyone's profile mean anything. They don't. At all.
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Steamrep is important, but sites like Steamtrades have a decent rep system since only 1 comment can be left per Steam account.
It's unlikely that a scammer will have 50 alt Steam accounts just to boost rep, so if you see someone with +50/-0 it's a pretty fair bet that they are OK.
As I mentioned, I have done over 70 trades on steamrep all all have been fine following the "higher rep user goes first with keys" rule.
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No, entirely erroneous. Some scammers (the more organised ones) use bots and have organised nets of them that leave automatic comments on each others' profiles to create fake +rep comment spam. I read an article a while back about it - someone had gone and investigated a known scammer, turned up a ring of accounts all most likely controlled by the same person. They all had the same "+rep" comments distributed over all profiles, but from a different user in the ring each time. As in - on one of these account's steam profile you'd see, for example, "totally trustworthy, +rep!" from user "JoeShmoe". Then, on another user in this ring's profile, you'd see "totally trustworthy, +rep!" (same comment) from user "Max200". And so on. On each profile in the ring, you'd see this same comment, from a different user in the ring, each time. And on each of the posters' profiles, you'd see other comments from other users in the ring, which had also been replicated on all other profiles.
It's simple enough to do this. And scammers do do this. Enough of them operate a ring of fake alts anyway, for various reasons. There are programs that can log in to multiple steam accounts through proxies simultaneously, and follow whatever command the user of the program sets forth. All he has to do is make a list he copy-pastes off other, legit users' profiles, (takes maybe half an hour to make a list of more than a hundred valid looking "+rep" comments) and tell the program to go through the list and use a comment off a new line per account controlled, and comment all these "+rep"'s on someone's profile, seemingly legit comments from seemingly legit users. This is all very feasible and doable.
Even if this weren't true, come the heck on. Plaintext comments are entirely worthless as far as "rep" goes. Anyone can put anything anywhere. They're just comments made by users, not automatically generated logs or anything. They're no proof anything went right or even that any trade was made whatsoever. To not see that is amazingly gullible if you ask me.
What if a very polite scammer buys a bunch of keys with a credit card, trades them all off successfully within a day, gets all this grateful "+rep" crap from legit users, waits to do a chargeback as long as possible while he gets all these comments, then sets his profile to "only friends can post comments" and removes all people he traded with from his friends list? Lots of +rep, and before he ever gets a trade ban, he gets to scam more users, trades inventory to another account, done. Eventually, he gets a trade ban, long after he's already scammed tens of games off people, and still has all those +rep comments. He sees the account as disposable, anyway. Any games he has on it, he can still play, and he can switch to a new account he makes, activate some of the games he's stolen to make it look more legit, then use that one to scam again and again.
The only thing does count, is proof someone's scammed before. Unfortunately, there is not one way to prove trustworthiness short of knowing someone beforehand. There are only ways to prove when they've done something wrong - steamrep.com and steamtrades profiles. And even then, if it's this account's first time scamming, there are not gonna be any reports to see.
In short - don't trade with strangers, best bet.
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Too long, but I still read it :P
Everything you said is technically doable, I'm not refuting that. However, it must be very rare as I have traded (as mentioned above) with over 70 complete strangers; often using rep to determine trade order.
Haven't been burned by these "super-scammer rings" yet, and every high rep user I have traded with has been honest thus far.
Trading with strangers is fine, as long as you follow common sense. Do they have good rep? Is the rep from any users you may know? How long have they been registered on Steam/size of games library? Steamrep checks out clean? If all looks good, but you still get a bad vibe, demand they go first. All you can lose is a no-go on the trade if they say no.
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This is only applicable to people who opted in to the steam beta. If you didn't, /me still works fine, period.
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But it means that once the current beta features are applied to everyone it won't anymore, period.
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No, it doesn't smarty pants. There is no "when". It's beta, meaning that they test certain features before possible, eventual implementation. That it's in the beta doesn't have to mean it will eventually get included in the main client that's live. Also, the reason this was done was because of the recent prevalence of a certain specific scam. This "solution" sucks and is inherently flawed and ridiculous, so there's more than a good chance they'll find a better way to avoid that scam being used than this. They just wanted a quick way to help stop the flow of victims. Otherwise, it would already be live.
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I've been part of the betas for months and I have yet to see a feature that showed up in beta that didn't get carried over to everyone else. They add features like this and once they'Re confident that everything is stable, they update everyone else.
I don't see how getting rid of a useless "feature" would be such a flawed and ridiculous solution. I'd like to see just one situation where that could be useful. I've never ever seen anyone use it outside a scam attempt. If they can cut down hundreds of support requests by getting rid of something no one will miss, why wouldn't they?
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There have been a number of features that haven't made it into the final client, I know this for sure because of users in some of the chats I frequent commenting on new things in their client which I didn't see when they mentioned them, (as I haven't opted in to the beta) and never had seen implemented since. Although, I can't think of any right now, as I have no interest in opting in to the beta, so quickly forget when such a topic of conversation comes, and goes.
As to why it's a flawed and ridiculous solution? I already commented on that in a different comment, let me copypasta it:
"1) It was a feature which could be used to much comic effect, and a useful extra option that increased ways to express yourself 2) UI and its' features should never be crippled due to user stupidity and error, if the referenced feature isn't somehow inherently flawed,- which it wasn't."
Also, DoctorRagnarok made a comment on this also which sums up quite nicely this quite core idea in IT and software development / management:
DoctorRagnarok (3 days ago)
No matter how much security a company provides its customers, security means nothing if the customer does not do their part in keeping themselves safe. As much as the intention behind this may be good, it's not likely to make any real change in the end. We don't need smarter technology, we need smarter people.
You don't cripple UI because users are too dumb to realise they're, for example, being scammed. Why? For a number of reasons.
The amount of scammers hasn't gone down, the amount of ingenuity they try to exhibit to scam people hasn't, and neither has the level of ignorance of the people being scammed - which is the only factor that would decrease the amount of users being scammed, if it were tackled somehow.
This removing of "/me" will probably decrease the amount of people being scammed by a very small percentage, for maybe 2 weeks or so, tops, (and that's giving it a lot of time) before scammers find another angle with which to work the same people, with the same amount of ignorance as to online scams.
As for "I'd like to see just one situation where that could be useful. I've never ever seen anyone use it outside a scam attempt"? Then you musn't hang out in very many group chats. I can provide whole chat logs where /me was used to quite comic effect, where whole stories and scenes were set using the command. Anyway, it's quite irrelevant whether or not it was never used, used every day by every user, or even used purely by scammers - as I explained quite well above.
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Ah, reading through comments here, I see more funny comments that illustrate part of my argument:
Stelio (1 day ago)
Someone used the internet to try and scam me, we should get rid of that..oh and the telephone and postal service.
Yokuo (1 day ago)
DOWN WITH TELEPHONES! BURN ALL THE LINES!!!!
Stelio (21 hours ago)
Smashing my mobile phone later, had a PPI scammer text me.
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Scammers, con-artists, thieves, will always be a part of any system or new technology released to the public. People need to learn to be wary and more careful, period.
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Never used it anyways.
Give us an invisible mode though. Come on, come on.
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Steam has removed the feature “/me” in its new latest update.
For those of you that did not know what this is, it lets you type in green or blue, depending on whether you’re in-game or online.
If you’re wondering why it was removed, it was because of scammers. There was a trick where the scammer would say that the wallet funds would be transferred to your account after you have given your items. Sadly, many users fell for this and as a result, it is now gone.
This is very very sad. :/
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/slashmegone - in tribute to "/me".
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