Between the people who thought they were just laying down legal "suppressing fire" with consciously futile lawsuits against easy targets, versus those who suspected DH is genuinely delusional and thinks it can do no wrong, it looks like we finally have our answer. You do not legally engage an entity like Valve unless you genuinely, and in this case foolishly, think you have a legitimate case. Let's see if they try the same with the judges who dismiss their various claims and brand them a vexatious litigant. After all, DH can never be wrong! It's ALWAYS someone else's fault!
Oh man, they've also put up a new (their title, not mine) "going out for business" bundle (not gonna share URL or host because screw these guys). They can't even feign being hurt without turning it into an arrogant little attempted jab in the process.
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They are fucked suing Steam, their lawyers will shit all over them, and probably take the money they've made back from them lol
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Do they even realize how stupid they make themselves look?
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No, they don't. They are the textbook definition of a delusional narcissist.
Just listen to this interview from a year ago with the Romine's and Jim Sterling to see yourself:
https://soundcloud.com/jimquisition/special-jim-sterling-and-digital-homicide-hash-it-out.
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I'm not particularly a fan of Jim Sterling but that "interview" just made me laugh. I love how the DH tries to compare Jim's old videos to his old games. xD At least Jim's videos have improved over the years whereas DH's games have continued to stay the same nonexistent "quality". He constantly avoids anything that goes against his products and tries to turn the focus on how "bad" Jim's videos and reviews are. I'm sorry, but I can't take that guy seriously, I just can't.
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Finally listened it till the end. What a moron that Digital Hobosite guy is. Unbelievable.
Mars One is sending people to Mars in 2020 (hopefully, if it's not a scam as it looks right now). So my suggestion is to send that guy (I guess Romine is his name) to Mars so he can continue developing his shitty games there and try them out himself, so he actually sees how bad they are. Although everyone on that trip might do a suicide just by being near that guy. :/
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The more i heard about Digital Suicide, the more i laugh. xD
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Correct me if im wrong, but dont they need a lot of money and really good lawyer/legal team (and good reason) to even start thinking about going after Valve.
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last i heard they were representing themselves. :P
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I know that, im just saying that i think if the want to go after Valve or any big company they need one or more lawyers and a lot of money, because from what i know those types of things take take time and money.
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People are gonna run out of unique facepalm and popcorn images because of Digital Homicide at this rate...
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Going to eat popcorn until we puke
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Watch out guys, you better talk good about them on this thread or they going to sue you!
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Oh yeah I was thinking that. But well, I rated down of their games. Annnnnd I voted no on greenlight projects - when I saw some of them, I was a little disgusted by the theme. I understand parody but there, it was a little too far.
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Digital SuicideHomicide makes me cringe. Ew.
E FELIZ ANIVERSÁRIOOOOOOOOOO
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Good riddance i say.
Worst dev on steam,. i can't imagine why they lasted so long.
Over 60% of greenlight votes are negative,. and still their games get published - i just dont understand.
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That's because a vote saying that you're not going to buy something means very little to Valve, but a vote saying that you will buy something means a lot more. Exactly how Greenlight works is a bit of a mystery, but Valve has said time and time again that it's not as straight forward as the number of yes votes, but has to do with visits to the greenlight page, what portion of those generate yes votes and other factors.
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Coming up next: DH sue the judge that failed in favour of valve.
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I actually can see this happen xD
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As far as I can tell, Arizona has state laws in place where someone can be marked as Vexatious Litigant, and be blocked from taking anything to court. The way things are going for the Romine bros, I would not be surprised to see that happen if they would try to sue a judge.
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Anyone who wants to read the documents can get them here
1) this clearly is not written by any competent lawyer.
2) reading this is a clear example of why you should always involve an attorney
3) lucky for these numbnuts, courts (in the US) are very forgiving of people who represent themselves, and will give them repeated opportunities to correct deficiencies; if this had been drafted by an attorney, it'd get thrown out within minutes
4) there are a handful of allegations that may actually be actionable in court, particularly libel. With sufficient adjustments, and a lenient judge, they may actually be able to push through
One instance in particular stands out note that I haven't read the whole thing, just parts of it. According to the allegation, one youtube review (which I am unable to access) stated that they stole a font. DI provides a link where the font in question was obtained.
In Arizona, the elements of a defamation claim are:
a false statement concerning the plaintiff;
the statement was defamatory;
the statement was published to a third party;
the requisite fault on the part of the defendant; and
the plaintiff was damaged as a result of the statement.- We have a false statement "DI stole the font".
- To be “defamatory,” a statement must be false and bring the defamed person into disrepute, contempt, or ridicule, or impeach her honesty, integrity, virtue, or reputation.
There's a pretty good chance that the review will meet this definition - The statement was published on youtube
- the requisite fault for private persons is negligence; without going into detail, yeah, this is negligence
- Plaintiff's damage is debatable, and it's up to DI to prove they actually suffered damage
DI has a real possibility of winning a defamation suit against John Doe 1.
In order for DI's discovery request from Valve to be granted, DI only needs to show that they can win the case, not that they are likely to win. The above shows that, at least with regards to John Doe 1, they're able to provide enough detail to show they could win.
Yeah, even with Valve's expensive lawyers, there's a good chance Valve will be compelled to provide John Doe 1's personal information.
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John Doe #1 is actually a game dev, and he made a response on one of his game's updates..
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nice response. Doesn't make a difference. DI has a cause of action (though, still a low chance of winning). What does make a difference is that the developer is in Canada. The single best response s/he could have given is "yeah, here's my address. Go fuck yourself", because, the court doesn't have jurisdiction in Canada. basically, unless John Doe actually enters the U.S., they can't be sued in a U.S. court. Yes, there are exceptions, but none apply here
also, I love that DI decided to email the john doe and ask for name & address; that way they can skip going through valve. 10 points for trying
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This is why I wonder how many of the sued users are actually American. If none, this will be a very interesting and humorously embarassing episode.
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One problem is that they lumped these 100 people together into a single lawsuit. While criminal proceedings allow the prosecution to make changes to the charges, civil suits are not so forgiving, and proving you might have a case against 1 of 100 defendants will not keep the judge from throwing out your case. It will only make them tell you to refile against only that defendant and then you might get your subpoena.
In another thread, someone pointed out that after going through all the documents, there are a number of other problems with their filing that could get the case thrown out, including trying to sue for criminal charges, like stalking and criminal negligence. There were also a few that are not allowed to be filed per se - for themselves - but only pro se - by a practicing attorney - which could get them in more trouble if the judge or the state bar feel like charging them with practicing law without a license.
As you said, a lenient judge might let them withdraw some of the problematic issues with this filing, but that would only make it easier for Valve to get the decision overturned by a higher court, which they could easily do.
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Courts are generally much more forgiving of pro se attorneys, and judges will sometimes tell them which parts to rewrite. Yes, there are plenty of aspects that will get thrown out, such as charges that simply don't apply (such as assault), and my first impression was that this is just a huge mess and a waste of time. However, there are a few issues that may actually proceed, and I highlighted one of them. Again, it needs a judge willing to forgive the mess.
The charge of practicing law without a license gets very interesting. It simply does not apply to representing yourself in court, and as Romine is suing in an individual capacity, he's perfectly in the clear there. However, for many of the allegations, DI is the entity that should be suing, not Romine as the individual. In most states, including Arizona, a company cannot represent itself, and must be represented by an attorney. "Absent statutory authority a corporation cannot practice law even in its own behalf. A corporation cannot appear in court by an officer who is not an attorney, and it cannot appear in propria persona" Mohr, Hackett, Pederson, Blakley, Randolph & Haga, P.C. v. Superior Court, 155 Ariz. 150, 150, 745 P.2d 208, 208 (Ct. App. 1987)
Therefore, Romine can only sue for personal attacks against him. Again, a lenient, patient, and kind judge might be willing to guide him through this. Even a harsh judge would just dismiss the case rather than recommend charges for unauthorized practice of law. They're not looking to punish people for being stupid, and this is the kind of thing that is likely to be dismissed. Hell, even if he was suing on DI's behalf, a judge would explain that he can't represent the company, and give him the opportunity to either find an attorney or to withdraw the suit
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Most likely. On the other hand, the fact that they're already involved in a lawsuit that is going nowhere representing themselves, and are trying to open up a suit against 100 more people could get them labelled as a vexatious litigant, though again that depends on how kind of a judge they get.
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- Their website is horrifying.
- The random terms of service nobody reads will probably kick DH's asses, I'm sure Valve said somewhere "we can kill your games if we don't like you".
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They just put a frame over their existing website. All the steam links are still probaly under that new frame. If you look closely on the left/right side you can see older ones. They are building layers upon layers on their website like it's a layered cheesecake. Their webdesign quality is almost on par with their game developement quality.
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Interesting that he updated the website with that diatribe but left Greenlight links at the bottom of the main page :-p
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Would anybody care to donate? https://www.gofundme.com/47uexn9c
(I just found that while looking for news.)
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"It is expected that you will see the harassment that may arrive in the comment section below rather quickly. A majority of these individuals have been brainwashed by the youtuber into believing numerous things we have not done."
YouTube, more powerfull than we ever suspected...
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wow... from sue'rs to beggers? thats nice update xD
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haha in 6 months they made $425 likely from himself trying to get the ball rolling...
is this guy related to konrad?
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unfortunately, there are a lot of clueless people out there
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This is so pathetic I am almost starting to feel sorry for them. Rarely can we see someone utterly destroying their own dignity in front of such a wide public.
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It's not funny to laugh at a retarded person like this 35 year old guy who makes horrible games and thinks they're actually good, because his wife and mom said that they were AMAZING!
Btw, hilarious how they put the 75K$ goal and raised 425$ in 6 months xDDD
Just joking. Here - watch something a million times nicer than their games:
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I'm shocked they gathered 425$ tbh, who the hell donated that?!
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Just another 74,575$ to go, almost there!
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Well, if they can point out breach of contracts, and if it can be argued, it can go to trial.
Does steam say in their contract for devs/pubs, that they can't sue customers?
also a song to pass the time, totally unfitting for this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9genmkeG5iY
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more likely, steam will have a very favorable termination clause, no reason needed
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I'd be willing to bet Steam includes a bad publicity clause or one against "behavior harmful to Steam's end users". Hell, with how big Valve is, they could probably just include an "at will" termination clause that lets them remove the sale button or the game entry entirely for any reason and gives the dev the same right. They're not denying any future profits that they owe DH, just denying DH the ability to continue selling on the store. DH would likely have to prove that Valve was denying them their profitz to get a breach of contracts case going. Of course, considering how their other cases are going, and the likelihood of any lawyer taking Valve on in a breach of contracts case, I doubt we'll hear of any actual lawsuits between them and Valve.
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They already said they have a lawyer willing to take the case if they can raise $75,000
I know layers whid be happy to take it for a lot less than that
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Drama
It's kind of painful and simultaneously hilarious to see them utterly ruin themselves. I hope they televise the event if this case ever goes to trial. :p
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Remember what happened with the creator of Paranautical Activity? Exactly.
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You mean "apologise profusely, find a willing developer/publisher to take over the property, and get the game back on steam" ?
I don't think DigiHom is willing to take the first step.
And I'd like to think no-one else would be willing to assist on the second, but there's a bunch of other scam/shovelware artists out there that actually might..
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When someone bothers you on say a platform like Facebook and you find the need to ban them, [...] that person is removed from being able to post on your page.
Well from this statemen I see what their business plan was: release s#it with nice trailers so people would click -> ban people exposing s#it hidden under nice trailers -> pretend to have nice stuff and keep banning everyone who exposes you -> PROFIT
Actually, the "joke" article is awsome:
Even in a best case scenario where Digital Homicide somehow wins their lawsuits against Valve, “they will likely be ridiculed and hated for as long as the Internet can remember
lol, wasn't DH already "ridiculed and hated" for releasing the greates s#it on steam?!
With a name like Digital Homicide, they must be a bunch of super edgy pre-teens who just need to accept that not everyone will like them for who they are.
xD
Although, one thing still bothers me: how the F does it work that something like digital homicide is able to drop so much BS on Steam?!
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First one older..
second just ...well u know
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Jane/John Doe followed by steam usernames in a court document. There is not enough facepalm on the internet for this.
Not the steam ID which is unique but the effin username which can be changed at any point and most usernames are used multiple times.
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I wonder if the 2 devs of Digital Homicide are Derek Smart's long lost children.
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Thank god they removed those awful games from Steam. Hope he will sue them and lose, so he will learn not to make crappy games the hard way.
I miss those days when every 10-year-old Game Maker 20000X owner couldn't just publish some crap, giveaway enough copies just to get votes and get on Steam store.
His family's income comes from very unique skill of making horrible games that just make me want to kill myself. :D
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I hope they implode up there own anooseses surprised they were not dealt with ages ago. Next should be BMC and their games?
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Everybody saw that coming, right?
Yes, this is their official website, looks as good as their games
Previous "joke" article that actually became real
If you didn't catch up with previous news:
All Digital Homicide games have now been delisted from Steam
Digital Homicide suing Steam users and subpoenaes Valve for their personal details [LOL]
I'm waiting for my lawsuit for creating this thread :3
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