so what do you think?
Mehrine is obviously a troll or a 12 year old, which are the same thing in most cases.
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MRLW thinks his skygod will help him win giveaways, Mehrine tells him that's not how things work. But Mehrine is a 12 year old... Seriously?
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Yes. Read it again. It's more about the attitude than the message.
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Has MRLW told you in which god he believes? Maybe it's video games god? How about more assumptions and attacks?
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Believing a god from video game decides whether or not you win a giveaway is equally stupid so I'd still mock him for it. Thank you for the blacklist.
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It's not about what he believes in, it's about that no one can go and try and make him not to believe in it.
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He should keep his silly, unreasonable beliefs for himself, instead of constantly mentioning his god on every fucking giveaway.
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You do understand that is censure? And it's up to him and only him to decide if that's silly and unreasonable or not.
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Everyone can believe in whatever they want, I'm all up for freedom so long as that freedom doesn't involve harming anyone. However while everyone can believe in what they want, superstition is silly and unreasonable and there's no argument that can be made to make it seem otherwise. You can't argue with reason, logic and science. You just can't.
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Well, my logic is that of the free right of believes and speech. You have your opinion, OP has another and both of you should be guaranteed you can manifest it, as long as you don't try to harm someone else's opinion in the process.
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Of course you can argue with science, that's how it progress.
A long time ago, science said the sun revolves around the Earth.
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You're right, questioning everything is how science progresses. However when it comes to religious beliefs it's pretty clear to anyone who's at least bit reasonable that science will never be on the side of superstitious nonsense and that it will only disprove claims religious people make.
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Actually about 2/3 of scientists believe in god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stwHtAjMVF4
and here are 25 Famous Scientists Who Believed in God:
http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
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Are you stupid or something? Actually why am I even asking this question when the answer is clear as a day. I have NEVER claimed that scientists who believe in a god don't exist. So why would you feel the need to tell me the obvious, that there are such people?
I simply said that science will never be able to prove what religious people believe is true, and that science will only be able to disprove of their beliefs.
Now don't bother replying to my comments until you learn how to read properly.
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i stopped reading your comment after Stupid...you might wana work on your attitude.
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There's a reason why I said that. Read the entire comment and I promise you that you'll see why. It has nothing to do with your belief but your lack of reading skills.
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and i dont care, you want to make a point - do so it without insulting the one you talk to.
edit: assaulting - Insult
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If you don't care then why are you replying to my comments? Either read what I said and reply based on that, or stop whining like a little child because I offended you.
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There is a reason you get blacklisted. Read your comment out loud and I promise you that you will see why. It has nothing to do with your opinions but your lack of basic manners.
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I wouldn't say I lack manners, but I definitely don't always use them. If he doesn't even bother properly reading what I say, then I wont bother using manners when i reply to him.
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You could, y'know, not be an asshole. It's basic logic. There is no need to be an asshole, and yet everyone has an addiction with doing so.
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I wouldn't say being or not being an asshole has anything to do with logic. You make a point that it's logical not being an asshole since there's no need to be an asshole, but I could make a point that it's logical to be an asshole.
For example being an asshole can be fun, and if you like fun things then the only logical thing to do is to be an asshole.
Anyway, how I treat people depends on them and their actions. Since MRLW didn't even read properly what I said but wanted to be a smartass and failed at it, I felt the need to lash out by being rude towards him.
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Well, fair enough. Although I mean more in a non-aggressive civil environment, such as a discussion between two people. There's no real reason to be an asshole to anyone except for in reaction (e.g. a heated argument, response to someone bullying you(or someone else)) but even then, it's pretty much the most pointless attribute to have, even if one might find it "fun".
Anyways, carry on.
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Gotta love the "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" and "I am gonna be a jerk to anyone who who is different than me" attitude here. You are a special kind of ignorant piece of trash bro.
And and feel free to blacklist. I'll try to manage without your "generosity" if you call it that.
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Oh look, yet another person with inability to read properly. I didn't say he's stupid for not agreeing with me.
This is how it went. I said science can't prove anything religious people claim, but can only disprove it. He then told me: "Actually about 2/3 of scientists believe in god." and went on to post links about popular scientists who believe(d) in god.
I mean seriously, what does that have anything to do with what I said? That's why I said he's stupid, because he either can't read or simply cannot comprehend what he reads.
Unfortunately it seems you have the same issue the OP has. Not only that but you don't know the definition of certain words, such as ignorance. You're a special kind of stupid and I honestly feel bad for you.
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You decided to start attacking someone like a raging jerk because you don't believe the same thing he/she does. screw you. Screw people who act like you. You are a piece of crap person. It has nothing to do with your beliefs, it has to do with your actions and how you treat people. And you were was attacking well before that he/she posted about 2/3rds of scientists. Learn to become a decent human being.
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I am clearly not the one who's raging here, it's you. Also please learn the definition of the word ignorant so you stop making a fool out of yourself (It's actually funny because since you don't know what ignorance means you're actually being ignorant). Perhaps you wanted to say arrogant? Yes, there is a difference. And I would probably agree with you if you used the latter.
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No, I dont find you arrogant. You are ignorant. You are an ignorant piece of trash. You lack intelligence. You are too stupid to comprehend simple statements. You are rude, and an jerk. You are easily angered. You meet with every part of the definition of the word ignorant. I cannot make this any clearer for you.
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I can't stand people like him. Usually I am pretty nice. But jerks bother me.
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It seems to me like you're describing yourself, not me.
Ignorance is lack of knowledge. Nothing I said was ignorant. You seem to be the one who's ignorant and who lacks intelligence. And the one who cannot comprehend what's being said. You're also the one who is very clearly enraged, while I'm calm.
Just calm down, okay? If you get enraged you get stressed and that's bad for your health.
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You do realize that science can't actually disprove God at all right? It can only disprove specific things religion claims which doesn't make religion any worse than science in this respect since science progresses by proving its previous claims wrong. You can never actually show that God does not exist nor can you show that he does exist; you're claims about God not existing are standing on the same exact grounds as the person who claims he does exist. They have faith in some sort of divine being and you have faith that such a being doesn't exist, but neither of you have any good evidence to back that claim up. The only thing you can say is that there is no good reason to believe either and the only position that supports is that one should withhold belief about the existence of God. People who act like they clearly know that God doesn't exist and try to force that belief on others are absolutely no different than people who continuously try to force their religious beliefs on others. They're both gigantic assholes that can't accept that people might believe something they don't. However, in this case the person you are attacking was not doing this; they were merely expressing their thanks for someone's generosity using a belief that is very important to them. They aren't attacking anyone nor are they trying to force anyone to believe the same thing they do. They're acting like a perfectly decent human being and the response is to attack them and try to force them to believe the same thing you do. That's a shitty thing to do no matter how you look at it. I likely won't bother replying as I'm assuming you're just a troll. If not, then there's no fixing this level of stupid and I'm not wasting my time trying. You absolutely are ignorant and are trying to pass it off as knowledge in the most dickish way possible.
P.S: @kertonbadge you summed up my feelings pretty well, thank you for that.
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You are misquoting yourself.
You said :
science will never be on the side of superstitious nonsense
and he, very reasonably, responded with examples of prominent scientists who were indeed, on the "side of superstitious nonsense," to wit, a belief in deity.
His logic is actually superior to yours, and you failed to refute it.
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Yes, I said science will never be on the side of superstitious nonsense, which means that science will never be able to prove that all those superstitions people have are real and that it will likely disprove them. I didn't say there are no religious scientists. Of course there are a lot of religious scientists, there are religious people in all fields.
So again, I was talking about science, not scientists. If scientists believe in something, that's not science, it is science only once it's proven and made a fact.
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Hey chibi, Hopefully, god throws you into the pits.
Wait, whats that i hear? Oh are you crawling in your bed? well thats too bad.
Are you going to throw a tantrum over what other peoples beliefs are again?
well, no worries.
It does not concern you at all, you shouldnt even be bothered by it.
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Its funny how you try to disprove a "belief" which is supposed to be only a "faith" in an all-knowing-powerful entity Wether it exists or not, It is no different than you believing in what you see and what you think.
So I take it, you have a childhood abuse from a parent that causes you to hate someones belief.
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First reply looks a harmless joke to me but rest of it looks unnecessary.
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Everyone can believe in whatever they want, as long as they don't mock other people's believes. He started it as a joke, but went too far and that isn't cool in my book.
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I don't think it started as a joke. To me it looks like it started as a careful insult, to bait his prey :P
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Could be. I have a friend, who constantly baited me like this and mocked me for being a christian. He finally stopped, when I convinced him he turned his so called "atheism" in a religion on its own, because he believed in it as a sheep and wanted to convert me to it by any means, without respecting my own opinion.
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Everyone can mock your believes. Everyone can mock my believes. The fact that you believe that something is holy and what not does not mean it is excluded from mockery and criticism. If we cannot mock and laugh about anything that somebody else believes comedy is dead and that is not cool in my book.
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Although I kind of agree, you still need to have respect for other peoples faith. A joke is no problem in my opinion, but if the other person is clearly taking offense, then you just need to stop and clear up that it was meant as a joke, not continue doing it.
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Yeah, I'm with you. To clarify: I do think that no belief should be exempt from mockery. However, I also think people should strive, for the most part, to not be assholes.
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Exactly! But that also goes for everyone. Often I see people blaming atheists that they are respectless, but then the same people go on and on about that people should all follow their religion.
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I agree. Yes you can make jokes and laugh. That's cool, it's what makes the slaughter at Charlie Hebdo such a terrible act. But you must agree, satire is one thing and doing it to insult or convert someone is another.
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So is converting someone wrong or just converting by joking about it? If converting is wrong then every faith on the planet has a lot to answer for. If it is not why joking about faith to convert someone is?
About the insulting part, as a fan of offensive humor and comedy I do not have a problem with that. For me the problem is when somebody makes offensive jokes about somebody else and then gets offended when somebody jokes about him. Humor is not the problem, being a hypocrite is.
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I agree again. I get the feeling we're talking about the same thing, but something is lost in the process. What I wanted to say was,that OP has the right to thank God, or whoever he wants for his wins. And other people can think or say whatever they want, as long as none of the two parties have some malicious intent when doing so.
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Mocking/joking is ok in my book. Attacking and belittling is going too far. There are lines, and assholes like to cross them.
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Nah, you can totally mock everyone's beliefs. You just can't be an asshole about it (and he was).
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Many people often forget the religious zealotry can also extend to atheism. As an agnostic, I find the abbreviation you use all the time a bit annoying, but if I would be offended by everything that annoys me, I would have to wipe out the majority of life forms on this planet.
The shorter version of my opinion is that the person you were talking there with is a fucktard of the preaching kind, and the only worse thing in a preaching atheist than a preaching faithful is that they mostly don't even realise they are doing the exact same thing they claim to hate so much.
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He'll probably reply that he is not an atheist, he believes in a God that has priorities :P
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Thank you for this comment, if I could whitelist you again, I would.
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I agree with you so much. I'm an agnostic as well.
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I'm christian, beliver and totally agree with you.
But yes the answer was rude, but i can get the point why people don't like his sentence. I remember many mentioned it to him but he still use it. We have many diffrent cultures here. Something normal for one, is offence for others, so he should have some common sence too.
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i dont recall MANY (would you kindly show me all those many?).
i remember some say they dont like "generic thanks" - which isnt the issue here :-)
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Yeah it's kinda funny and tragically ironic. Going through life as an agnostic myself, the lack of tolerance on both sides of the fence can be pretty daunting sometimes.
Ah well, back to my bagel and coffee.
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I was. Not anymore, haha. :D
I had too much coffee, though, so I had to have a second bagel. ;)
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Good move. I'm really craving a bagel about now. But I'm at work and too lazy to leave the office, get in my car, and go buy a bagel somewhere.
I'll just suffer in silence. *sniff*
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Damn, now I feel bad.
I wouldn't have said anything had I known you have no access to bagels. :X
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LOL, don't feel bad. I was just being dramatic. But it's actually almost lunchtime here...I got my eye on a bagel sandwich (or two) for lunch. ;-)
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To be honest I've been wondering for quite some time what that abreviation you use for you Thanks messages means so I looked it up at some point.
I personly wouldn't bring up god when it comes to trivial matters like winning a GA but Steamgifts is a very diverse place with very different people so I never really gave it a 2nd thought.
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Needlessly offensive is also a thing.
He turned the other cheek a few times but ran out of cheeks :P
(Le, we need a lenny!)
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He wasn't really defensive in the first few comments, so I would say it's the other guy that is needlessly offensive.
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Sorry, whats that? I stopped replying!
:P
Yeah, that's the best action, no reaction :)
shuts up now
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Yes I agree, the best thing to do would have been to ignore the comment, but sometimes it's hard to resist arguing with idiots.
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The whole thing was pointless, why couldn't you just stop replying?
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It's really funny when religious people want to win arguments about their religion though. Because they just can't. Reason, logic, science, none of those support their nonsense beliefs. Don't get me wrong though, they have every right to believe in whatever they want, but so do reasonable people have every right to find their attempts at trying to make their beliefs seem reasonable hilarious.
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yea...like past scientists who believed that the world is flat...until someone argue different go figure..
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But choosing science is also choosing a belief.
Believing in nothing is also choosing to.
You can't take out your own faith, beliefs, etc. out of anything.
No one can tell you what to believe, no matter how stupid something else seems or doesn't seem.
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Whaaaaat?!!!!
Science has nothing to do with belief. Science is about facts. And facts are facts whether you believe in them or not, that is the thing I love about science, it is independent from people opinions/beliefs.
It is a fact our cells replicate and then enter in a process called apoptosis. No matter what you believe, no matter if you are the Pope, this fact is occurring right now in every living human.
I wont continue this argument any longer, I just wanted to prevent people to think Science has something to do with Belief.
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Whoops, I realise I didn't explain myself properly there. :D
Science is about facts, yes, and I can agree with that.
But, when it comes to stuff on evolution, etc. then those are 'educated guesses', not science (as facts).
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But then those are beliefs, not facts.
If I Google as well, there are likewise 'scientific' papers against evolution (just chose two):
- http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm
- http://humansarefree.com/2013/12/9-scienctific-facts-prove-theory-of.html
Science is fact, and you can't factually prove, from the Big Bang, all the way through to present day that everything occurred, that is why it is called a Theory, we don't know this.
I didn't want to start an argument or upset anyone, just making the premise that there are some stuff people claim as science that is either theoretical based, and beliefs. One person can't prove to another that without a doubt all the science is true, and without a doubt to the opposite that God exists...it's mostly derived from opinion and belief systems.
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Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: (appeal to ignorance) the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.
A. The informal structure has two basic patterns:
Statement p is unproved.
Not-p is true.
Statement not-p is unproved.
p is true.
B. If one argues that God or telepathy, ghosts, or UFO's do not exist because their existence has not been proven beyond a shadow of doubt, then this fallacy occurs.
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What I meant to say with my comment is that in everyday language, where the meaning of the word theory is perverted to guess, evolution can be considered a fact. However, in intellectual and scientific discourse, the word theory means an explanation of facts and evidence that can be used to make predictions about some future events. In that same discourse, evolution can be considered a theory, as can gravitation (or rather, relativity), plate tectonics, quantum mechanics, etc.
Of course, philosophically, when we get right down to it, a person can't know anything except that he or she exists--everything else is a belief. But that kind of discourse isn't very useful in everyday language so we don't really use it.
As for the fact that you found a few texts (they're not scientific papers) claiming that evolution isn't real, that's irrelevant, precisely because I didn't use a single paper to support my original claim--I said there was a mountain of evidence, and I linked to an introductory text from a reputable source. If you really want to go into detail you can find thousands upon thousands of papers in reputable scientific journals (not random web sites). That's up to you.
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Thanks for the offer, but it is not necessary. I have spent quite some years on the topic years back.
It doesn't really matter what I, or you, believe, it's that it is our belief.
My wish is only as a species we could work together, on all angles, be it far-fetched or otherwise, even something that person doesn't believe in, and strive towards getting all the answers and knowledge of this universe, without wielding guns and starting a terrorist organization. Just to be clear, I'm referring generally there, not directed at you.
But I appreciate all sciences, as I'm willing to read and learn, but still keep my own thoughts and opinions.
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My wish is only as a species we could work together
AFAIK most of humanity successes (and failures too...) comes from working against each other, not together. Sometimes it happens in groups, but usually goal is "to kick someone else arse" :P
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Competing against each other I'm fine with...and I agree that working this way, and to have a competitive advantage to make profits also drives some innovation.
I meant specifically in terms of wars, violence, prejudices and all other forms of hate.
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Hi phoenix.
I get what you say I am only wonder if "guess" is the proper term for a scientific hypothesis/theory, since I can guess you have grey eyes but I am not using any kind of previous knowledge (apart from the concept of "gray" and "eyes")
A scientific theory/ hypothesis base their observations in a series of processes and a variety of knowledge foundations.
Most of the scientific work runs around theories(educated guesses as you said) and some theories are born from facts. So theories and hypothesis are a vital part of science.
Cheers
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It's probably more accurate to describe the outcomes from science as "best guesses". For example, if you take the theory of gravity, there's no way to prove absolutely that it is a true fact, but rather there is a huge body of evidence from experiments unable to disprove it. It's still possible that one day some experiment will be performed that does disprove it but we may be safe to assume that is very unlikely.
The "best guesses" of course can be extremely useful and treated more or less as if they were fact. But calling them hard facts leaves one open to the counter argument (that is often put) of how past scientists got some theory wrong. For example, before micro-organisms like bacteria were discovered it may have been the prevailing theory that disease was spread through smell (stink). That theory would have been disproved at some time but it didn't mean it was useless before that. Harmful bacteria probably were often associated with rotting flesh which of course would stink.
A good scientific theory is one for which an experiment could be devised that could disprove if it were false.
A good scientist is one who's able to accept overwhelming evidence and change their views if necessary. Non-scientists sometimes point to this as a weakness but really it's one of their strengths.
So you're right when you say it's nothing about belief, it's just not precisely about facts either.
EDIT... Beaten to the punch by Ph03n1xSA. I like his phrase "educated guesses" better than the "best guesses" that I used.
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I understand your point and appreciate the time you spent writing it.
But as far as I know, any person who considers himself/herself a serious scientist would never label any theory as a fact.
And I think you are mixing some definitions there, a theory has nothing to do with a fact (definition wise) And the "goal" of a scientist is to prove his/her theories as facts using the scientific method.
I am incredibly confused about some of your points, for example: " But calling them hard facts leaves one open to the counter argument (that is often put) of how past scientists got some theory wrong."
Again, past scientists got THEORIES wrong, theories are not facts. Facts are facts.
Here is a definition: Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)
Theory: an idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true but that is not known or proven to be true.
As you see, a theory is a theory because it haven't been confirmed. A fact is a fact because it has been confirmed/proved. (Using the scientific method).
I like what you say about the definition of a good scientist, and I agree completely with you. One should never get "married" with an idea, as an ex-professor of mine used to say: Our goal in this life is to constantly prove ourselves wrong.
And lastly, you are right, Science is not only about facts, it implies a lot of other concepts and processes, like speculation(theories-hypothesis).
Have a nice day, my good comrade!
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Ah nice...I agree with your sentiments above.
I may not have been able to state it as such myself, so excuse my earlier comment.
I think it would be best for everyone to acknowledge that we're all learning as we go along: Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc, we're all still learning, about science, God and everything that we see and feel daily. There is no one on earth that exists that can prove or disprove everything that's said, suggested or known. I don't think we'll fully understand everything either, but at least we can try. :)
Edit: missed your responses above.
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Some of the best minds of our history agreed that our Intelligence will never be enough to dive in the deepest side of reality.
And yes, we can only try to get near and near to some truths.
And I apologize if i sounded rude or something
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No need to apologise, I made a very idiotic statement.
I'm just glad we're on the same page on some aspects and can discuss and agree civilly (such a weird word).
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You're right of course. I guess what I was trying to say was mainly that there aren't many things we can call fact.
Also when I use the term theory, I don't mean to diminish the term. Indeed something like the theory of evolution is researched enough now to be treated as if it were fact. A non-scientist might say, "yes, but it's only a theory" as if to say it's perfectly ok for them to refute it or simply choose to not believe it. Of course, to refute a well established theory without any evidence countering that theory is foolish.
We're not in disagreement on the main points. I just contend that saying science is all about facts is not really accurate. It's more about theory. Being willing to test things out and change one's opinion from evidence, as opposed to learning facts like they're absolute truths.
In other words, I think of science as not about discovering the truth, but giving our best shot at guessing the truth. The closest we'll ever get to the truth is our best (educated) guess.
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Hehe...thanks.
But I like your viewpoint there.
I really didn't want to stir up emotions or anger people, just discussing. I hope people see it that way.
Often also we get lost in explaining accurately what we're thinking by writing things down, just as much as I made a huge gaff above with my initial text, which I admit was really silly. :D
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you are missing the point, the point isnt about god, nor if my comment is stupid.
the point is if its ok to disrespect a person - that can be in any field of life.
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I also agree with Mehrine. Also: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/PWmRk/does-anyone-else-read-wthog-as-wart-hog :-D
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You did well! You have exposed one nasty atheist fanatic :D I myself believe in God, my girlfriend doesn't. We never had a fight about that :P She's happy with her choice, I'm with mine. But as it is visible on the picture, some people can't stand beliebers... I mean believers... >.>
Still... Ignoring his comment would be good too :P Just saying!
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I am going to ask you a couple of questions, purely out of curiosity with no negative intentions.
If you two live together, is your girlfriend perfectly fine with you celebrating religious holidays in your house? If things get serious and you end up having children, how are you going to raise your kids?
Since you're from Poland, I assume you're probably christian. Would your girlfriend be fine with you baptizing your children? Would she be okay with you raising your kids as christians? If she insisted she wants her kids to be atheists would you be okay with that?
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I'm not celebrating a thing. I said I believe in God. Two different things.
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I can answer last question :D
There is so huge social pressure, that sometimes even atheists baptize their children (which is utmost bullshit, but it work like this here - "why you want to give so much trouble to your child in the future, child HAS TO BE baptized). My father don't believe (never go to confession and holy communion, haven't be in church in past 25 years by his own will). But still he's godparent to few kids, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT SUPPOSED TO WORK, you just can't say no to your sister when she wants to baptize her child and wants you to be a godfather.
My friend is atheist and would want to have civil marriage and don't baptize her children. But her boyfriend's family is "super religious" and they said openly that if she won't agree on baptizm they will do it anyway against her will and will do everything to destroy her (future) marriage.
It's fucked up and it slowly starting to change as more and more young people have enough of priests bullshit. But it will take another generation (or at least my grandparent's generation have to die off) to see changes in this attitude. There are people who oppose it, but they're unwelcome. Say that you don't want to have catholic marriage and they will think it's something wrong with you.
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he can believe what he wants, i dont like his attitude thats all...
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Stupid antagonistic comment by Mehrine.
Just ignore them in future. Some people simply hate others beliefs.
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my people (the religious ones) say "with the help of god" for almost any thing its part of the concept of our perception in god, that every thing is by his will...and we should say thanks for every thing :-)
about the other part you asked (different comment) - this is the only way i came up with honoring my beliefs without getting religious on other people behalf...
i dont want to cause religion-non religion war on each comment that just meant to say thanks for the GA op and to god...
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no, i know...
i just said i thought a lot on my thanks comment signature, i want to say thanks (both to god and op) but dont want to offend others if they dont believe thats all, and its important to me to thanks god as well (its not mandatory for me)
so this way its good enough for me as i thank god as well as op but dont step on op "toes" (to much) :-)
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Just out of curiosity, not trying to mock or anything...
Roughly how many times do you say "with the help of god" each day?
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i have no ide actually, im home most of the day (im unemployed at the moment) and i write it in every GA i enter so i guess its a lot...
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This is what seems to be wrong with the world: religion. No, religion isn't what's wrong with the world, rather mocking people for having a belief system. Many Some (apparently many means most, so I shouldn't say many) atheists believe the world is being held up by several giant elephants, with a huge turtle supporting all of this on it's back. I consider myself a Christian, and of course - I disagree with that belief, and the Big Bang Theory, but it's not my place to tell someone they're crazy or idiotic for believing something I don't, that's just flat out disrespectful. If only everyone would just accept other people for having different beliefs...
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Well, close q: That's the name of a graphic novel, I forgot who wrote it. The belief has been around as long as 400 years, and it's believed to be created by Hinduism, but many regions (and lack thereof) have adopted it throughout the years. Not quite as common these days, since we've been in space, but many people still believe it. And frankly, that's okay x)
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ayee dont talk about Hinduism if you dont know anything about it.
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In my opinion there's nothing incompatible between Christianity and the Big Bang Theory. who do you think caused the big bang?
IMO, science covers HOW, and religion covers WHY, which are two separate matters. Science can explain how the earth was formed and what the sun and stars are, but not why they exist to begin with. Religion explains why we're here, but doesn't go into detail about how we got here.
As an example, according to Genesis, first god created the animals. Then, god created man. (no explanation of the mechanism by which it happened) Science states that animals came first, and explains the mechanism of how man evolved from the animals (but no explanation as to why). Genesis and Evolution are completely compatible.
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Hmmm, that's a neat way of putting it. I never understood why religion and science have to clash, when they both have supporting rolls. Depends on how one looks at it, but in a sense, science has proven the existence of God (or simply some sort of higher power, that varies on one's stand point), while religious teachings have helped lead to scientific discovery. Sir Issac Newton, for example, was a Christian man. His religious ideology made him curious about how the world worked, which lead to his impressive scientific accomplishments.
But then likewise, people also believe science has proven that there is no God or higher power too, and some scientists go out of their way to try to disprove religion. It's a waste of time if ya ask me, if they don't believe in something, they don't need to prove themselves. Nobody needs to prove their beliefs, they have every right to believe in (or disbelieve) anything they want q:
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The existence or nonexistence of god cannot be proven. Any claims otherwise fail to understand the concept of god/belief.
But yes, there's no real reason why religion and science should clash. Besides, there's a scientific explanation as to why every man (and woman) should believe in god. Pascal's Wager says that if you believe in god and you're right, you go to heaven. If you're wrong, nothing. If you don't believe in god and you're right, nothing. If you're wrong, hell. Therefore, there's nothing to gain by not believing in god, and nothing to lose by believing in god. he also explained why everyone must believe in science: the laws of science are all around us. If you can't believe in something you experience every day, you can't believe in anything
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Pascal's Wager says that if you believe in god and you're right, you go to heaven. If you're wrong, nothing. If you don't believe in god and you're right, nothing. If you're wrong, hell. Therefore, there's nothing to gain by not believing in god, and nothing to lose by believing in god.
Something important to mention is that most people who believe in god are part of organized religions such as christianity and islam. And in that case you do have a lot to lose, as their ideologies put various restrictions on people's lives.
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that is true. It's also worth noting that plenty of religions don't adhere to the heaven/hell dichotomy, or even similar concepts of the afterlife
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Indeed, science is a tool meant to yield reproducible results; most scientists distrust religion because its claims are not falsifiable.
As for Pascal's Wager, there are so many religions out there that you'd be hard-pressed to pick the correct one, and besides, you cannot really "choose" to believe in something. If you were to offer me a million dollars to deeply and wholeheartedly believe in the Ancient Greek god Poseidon, I wouldn't be able to.
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For a million dollars, I'd certainly be able to fake it
not like most guys can tell the difference anyway
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I'd be able to fake it, too, but would that be enough to get me into Underwater Mermaid Shindig Funtime Heaven? ;)
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"Many" implies a majority of some sort.
Unless you can validate that, your post comes across as deliberately mocking atheism by taking the most absurd-sounding consideration you could find and overemphasizing it- and thus, undermines the entire sentiment of your post rather thoroughly. :/
( The 'crazy or idiotic' is also over-emphatic (you don't actually need to give example words here, you know) which furthers that impression. )
( At the very least, you may want to change that single word. :P )
( Also, you should probably read up on the distinctions between atheism, agnosticism, and Hinduism. :/ )
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Something new, beside the 6ish new episodes they aired a few months ago?
Or you didn't know that? That picture is actually from the new series, as you can see he aged.
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didnt know they already in air, thanks (no spoilers please) ^_^
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Live and let live, I say.
Religion isn't my thing, but if it helps someone else get through the day, power to 'em.
Who am I to judge?
At least the guy says "thanks".
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Sorry, but it looks like your god really hates you, ignoring all your pleas. Did you sin a lot to piss him off?
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actually my people believe that not every thing you ask - is what good for you, so from where i stand - there is no problem at all with my wining or losing.
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wait you wanted my opinion.
Well first it pisses me off that you would write "with the help of god" instead of "with god´s help"
Second, are you religious? because, it's quite funny, that you would ask god´s/gods help for meaningless things. In this i agree with Mehrine, although not being a believer myself, i feel its not up to me to tell others when to feel offended
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well i write it like this as its how i say it in my native language...so sorry it aint good enough for you...
Second my people believe that every aspect in life is by god will - thats why we ask.
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So when children get enslaved and raped, it happens by the will of god? When natural disasters happen and hundreds if not thousands of innocent people die, it's by the will of god? When people get killed by psychopaths it's by the will of god?
Why would you love such god, he seems like a fucking monster?
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Why are you not answering my question? Did I ruin the perfect image of your god for you?
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oh no, im perfectly good with god (tho he has no image), i just dont see why i should converse with one like you who cant control his words nor his attitude.
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No, you just want to avoid a topic about the horrible things that happen "by the will of god" because you can't justify them and would rather pretend those things don't happen at all.
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yea like all others here that told you the same thing about your attitude...
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Once again you avoid to answer my question, even though I didn't insult you. That just proves me right. Stop making excuses.
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keep saying that to yourself. (dont bother to keep replying to me tho - i wont answer)
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It pisses me off that you would write "pisses me of" instead of "pisses me off", and with no bloody punctuation at the end of your sentence. ;p
If you want to say shit about how a foreigner is writing english, make sure you are not making any stupid mistake yourself.
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It had nothing to do with spelling, has both ways where equally correct but rather how the acronym sounds to me.
wthog which almost sound like warthog.
The point was that he took offense in something so meaningless to me, that i really had nothing else to share my opinion on, has he asked me to on the title of this thread
before people get the wrong impression again, i should also state this thread has nothing to do with religion and i simply dont care for people who feel offended by everything and proceed to creating threads to pass themselves has victims. I also dont care for rude people obviously,i just think that conversation did not justify a calling out thread
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My opinion is that Mehrine is a troll, and you fell for it. First response was good, he didn't deserve more than that one, and it was a mistake to continue.
As for the point itself, my understanding is that wthog is just something you'd write on most things to basically say "God willing", in this case that if God has no objection you might win. If it's something along that line, then it's better to explain it rather than argue specific points.
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What's worse?
- an in-your-face religious nut?
or - a militant atheist?
Personally, I believe religion, or lack thereof, is a personal matter. I really don't want to hear what your opinion on the matter is, because I probably disagree. Hell, the vast majority of people will disagree with you, so why go there? God certainly doesn't want you to piss the world off, so why do it?
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If you feel the right to state you're a believer in giveaway comments (so, on a website that is totally unrelated to religion), you have also to accept that other people feel the right to state they're not. You are the one bringing religion and beliefs to the "public place", not the other guy.
I can understand that his comments have hurt your feelings, but he didn't cross the line in my humble opinion, and once again, he didn't start with the subject. If you can't accept that your faith is not shared by everyone, then simply do not mention it here, and you'll be fine.
My 2 cents, not trying at all to put gas on fire.
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There's a difference if someone just makes comments to ridicule you or your beliefs or assumes they get to decide what god thinks is important:
"And, one might argue, borderline offensive to the people of faith who are praying for something important."
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/p0ew3VV
I don't see MRLW going around telling people what they have to believe or not believe in.
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The 2 people were arguing since a little time already. The comment you're referring to is posterior to OP's will to "take it to the public".
I don't see what is offensive in this quote by the way, he also uses conditional.
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So whenever you see some walking with a cross around his neck, you're going to state that you don't believe in a god?
Just because you can see someone is religious because he posted a comment containing "wthog" doesn't mean it should be turned into a whole religious discussion.
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So whenever you see some walking with a cross around his neck, you're going to state that you don't believe in a god?
I'm not the one originally arguing with OP. Your analogy is not working, OP posted a comment that initiated the argument, he was not about an avatar or something. In this case, your guy with a cross is not just wearing it, he is also speaking to people.
Just because you can see someone is religious because he posted a comment containing "wthog" doesn't mean it should be turned into a whole religious discussion.
Tell that to the one who created that thread, not to me :)
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you avoid the argument.
if its ok i will rephrase it by your logic.
So whenever you see some talking to some else with saying WITH THE HELP OF GOD, -you're- going to state that you don't believe in a god?
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While I will, for my part, probably not say anything because I don't think it's worth it, I'm totally fine with someone doing so - if it's, like here, in a place which is absolutely not connected to religion.
As a believer, you are offended by atheist speech ? Once again, I can understand it. Just try to place yourself in the opposite side and you'll realize that religious speech is also offending to some people.
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i have nothing against his belief - i have anything against his attitude.
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my belief aint the issue nor his for that matter - the way he chose to reflect his are the issue.
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the way he chose to reflect his are the issue.
...for you. If you are entitled to advertise your faith, he is also entitled to advertise his lack of. Both of you are equally right, your unliking of his words is no more valuable than his unliking of yours.
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thats true if i was speaking to him - or referring in general, the comment is for the GA op not to him - not to the PUBLIC.
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I totally disagree on that.
Well, you wanted to hear from people, now that I said what I wanted to, I won't contribute any more to this thread. I have the feeling that it would lead nowhere :)
Happy gaming and gifting to everyone.
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In public giveaways, comments can be read and written by anyone (not blacklisted by the creator and I'm guessing not banned from the site) and replied to by anyone. So yes, the comment section in public giveaways is public. That's how this website is designed.
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so you think every thing in public space is public?
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My comment was about that particular issue. Your question is really too broad to answer.
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lets say in a public restaurant any one can come and sit by your table?
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If those were the rules of the restaurant, then obviously yes. But also, I would be free to go to a different restaurant if I didn't like it. Or just eat at home.
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its not about the restaurant rules but the society rules.
the restaurant is public - your table is personal space.
same as the comment sector IS public but a direct comment to OP isnt.
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its not about the restaurant rules but the society rules.
Restaurants have owners, and the owners get to determine which rules (within the law) apply in the restaurant. For example, some fancy restaurants require you to wear a suit jacket and tie if you want to enter.
the restaurant is public - your table is personal space.
same as the comment sector IS public but a direct comment to OP isnt.
The restaurant is publicly accessible, but privately owned, and the owner sets the rules. Just like this website.
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thats not the point there are social rules you seem to ignore.
"Restaurants have owners"
same as parks (city - state etc) - but same as parks or any other public place there are social rules to behave, such as respect others spaces.
same as comments - you will not comment on something that clearly dont concern you.
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thats not the point there are social rules you seem to ignore.
I am aware of the social rules which say that if you sit at a random person's table in a restaurant, they're probably going to be uncomfortable, which is why I don't do it. I am also aware that it's ultimately up to the owner (not me or any other guest) to allow this or not, which is a point you seem to ignore. And I reiterate, there is always the option of leaving and going somewhere you can't be interrupted.
"Restaurants have owners"
same as parks (city - state etc) - but same as parks or any other public place there are social rules to behave, such as respect others spaces.
If we say that parks and other such public places are owned by the state, then the state has the ultimate say over what is and isn't allowed there. These rules are, once again, separate from the social norm (though the two might overlap).
same as comments - you will not comment on something that clearly dont concern you.
I will if I have the interest and the ability. Just like I did in this thread.
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"I will if I have the interest and the ability"
doing this means you have no respect for personal space.
"Just like I did in this thread."
this thread is OPEN for ALL public opinions.
a DIRECT comment for a SPECIFIC person - isnt.
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doing this means you have no respect for personal space.
There is no "personal space" in a public discussion forum on the internet.
this thread is OPEN for ALL public opinions.
As is the comment section of any public giveaway.
a DIRECT comment for a SPECIFIC person - isnt.
Guess what a thread is made of: DIRECT comments to SPECIFIC people made by various people.
Look, the bottom line is that you have the unreasonable expectation that if you write a comment/reply to someone in a public discussion forum, no one but that person may reply to you. This is, once again, unreasonable, and quite frankly, you need to just get over it.
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im not sure you know what "personal space" is - as if you did you would have respected it.
this is the direct meaning of it:
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the physical space immediately surrounding someone, into which any encroachment feels threatening to or uncomfortable for them.
"he was invading her personal space"
"
in the virtual world it will be a direct comment to a specific person.
"Guess what a thread is made of: DIRECT comments to SPECIFIC people made by various people."
no it aint as this thread is an open discussion and a personal comment for a specific person isnt.
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im not sure you know what "personal space" is - as if you did you would have respected it.
this is the direct meaning of it:
"the physical space immediately surrounding someone, into which any encroachment feels threatening to or uncomfortable for them.
"he was invading her personal space""
in the virtual world it will be a direct comment to a specific person.
First you say I don't know what personal space is. Then you quote a definition saying it is the physical space around someone. Then you start talking about the virtual world, which is something entirely different from physical space. Notice a problem there?
To be entirely clear: a comment on a public discussion board isn't anyone's "personal space" just because you want it to be.
no it aint as this thread is an open discussion and a personal comment for a specific person isnt.
You completely missed the point of what I was saying. The parts from which a public thread is made of are all public comments for specific people, therefore the distinction you're trying to make is non-existent.
Look, you wrote a comment in a public giveaway that anyone could see and reply to, therefore it was entirely public. Merely wanting it to be private does not make it private, no matter how much you want that. I don't see how I can state this any more clearly.
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"Notice a problem there"
no i dont, virtual world is still a place people spend time in and just because its virtual dosent make it less restrictive.
what is a physical space on the real world is represented as the virtual personal space here - and as conversation between 2 people considered personal in real world - so do here
" I don't see how I can state this any more clearly."
then dont it seams you just want to argue, i really doubt that in real life you behave, approve or justify situations like this.
i will say it again - you dont seem to understand what personal space is.
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"Notice a problem there"
no i dont, virtual world is still a place people spend time in and just because its virtual dosent make it less restrictive.
what is a physical space on the real world is represented as the virtual personal space here - and as conversation between 2 people considered personal in real world - so do here
You're trying to equate physical space with text on a computer screen. This is ridiculous.
" I don't see how I can state this any more clearly."
then dont it seams you just want to argue, i really doubt that in real life you behave, approve or justify situations like this.
No, I really don't want to argue, in fact I've grown quite tired of this discussion since I don't seem to be getting through to you.
If by real life you mean physical space, I actually don't have any expectations of privacy in public places, unlike you apparently.
i will say it again - you dont seem to understand what personal space is.
You yourself quoted the definition--it is the physical space around a person. And then you proceeded to ignore that definition.
Help me out here, is it that you somehow don't understand that you can't expect privacy in public places, or is it that you do understand the concept, but disagree with it? Because if it's the latter, there's really no point in continuing the discussion--that's something you're just going to have to deal with.
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"You're trying to equate physical space with text on a computer screen. This is ridiculous"
no. i understand and give a person his space - physical and virtual.
"No, I really don't want to argue"
dosent seem like it.
"I don't seem to be getting through to you."
its mutual.
" I actually don't have any expectations of privacy in public places"
well you reap what you sow...
"And then you proceeded to ignore that definition"
i do not ignore - i apply it to too equivalent environment used by the same participants (meaning people) one is physical society the other one is virtual.
"Help me out here" - "there's really no point in continuing the discussion"
i agree with you on this thing - you reap what you sow.
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While I agree that because it is a giveaway and anyone that can see your comment, can and will comment however they like, so he could do whatever he likes. But honestly, you didn't do anything wrong. Your replies are good and not disrespectful to him. He is a troll so you shouldn't have bother to reply to his comment in my opinion.
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Have you ever heard the saying "don't feed the trolls"?
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a fine fella wrote this to my thanks for the GA op (he aint the op) would like to know what you think of it...
would also love you will say why you chose what you chose...
(and i asked for his permission for this...)
the start is on the pic the rest is on the link to the discussion:
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/d89Ni/the-witcher-adventure-game#ZaOd34D
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