Which is my best option?
I didn't look too much into it but i did look at the following.
You get 1TB + the SSD. Alltho depending on the SSD maybe you could get a better/cheaper one elswhere, I got a 840 evo and it works great even if it isn't top of the line.
Might just be me but 8gig ram is not enough. If possible there is no reason not to double it since ram is not that expensive.
That said the PC at least from my point of view seems quite expensive for what you get, but on the other hand i haven't even looked at pre built pc's for ages.
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I know the RAM is a little low. I expect I'll upgrade it, but that's not one of the pre-built options. :/
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2x4GB of 2933 or 3200 (if MoBo can)
Ryzen is highly dependent on memory frequency
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Memory is super expensive everywhere. It used to be $40 for 8GB.
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RAM is not that expensive? It literally has doubled to tripled in price since the last year and half and it's price today is close to it's launch one. 16GB of RAM costs more than 170$ and that's close to 25% of what he seems to be willing to pay.
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Bad times to buying new PC, due parts shortages RAM and GPU this PC is overpriced around $250 compared to prices few mounts ago.
100$ for upgrade to 256GB SSD cost around 75 this is sick they charging 25$ for 60 sec to install SSD ;)
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That is significantly better, which makes me suspicious. Seller has a good enough looking rating, though. Thanks for the heads up.
On second thought, is that video card enough?
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I thinks SSD is very important nowadays for some games
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Much better looking, thank you. Apparently, my search abilities suck. :X
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No big difference except the price. But add a good SSD and double the ram wich should not cost you that much more and you have a good enough pc for a while.
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB should be enough for windows and some games you play often and it is not that expensive.
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I got a 1TB hard drive a bit ago... It was definitely a huge upgrade from what I had been using, but it's already almost full, so...
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All the options listed looks good for 1080p gaming. I would just pick any depending on how much I intend to spend for the extra features.
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Do you have any old parts? Do you know how to install things like HDD/SDD, RAM, GPU? You can save hundreds that way.
Right now is a horrible time to buy certain parts, so if you can salvage an old GPU or something you'd be in much better shape...
Are you starting from scratch? How patient are you to get all this? Have you checked Ebay?
All I'm saying, is that if you are willing to pay $1000 you can get a lot better. For example:
Ryzen 5 1600 (6C/12T) - $170
Any old mobo on sale - $60-75
Any old DDR4 on sale (8GB at least) - $75-150
Mid tower case - $50 (unless you have one you can use?)
Power supply - $50 (again, unless you have one)
2TB HDD - $70
256 SSD - $75
And then whatever GPU you can find for a relatively good price, either a GTX 1060 (must be 6GB version) or RX 580 (must be 8GB version)... This is the breaker here because these things are going for $300+ atm when they were selling for $225 not too long ago.
Some flavor of windows, have a COA sticker somewhere, or can you get one? Otherwise this might cost up to $100 more...
All that would cost less than any of those $1000+ computers you listed and it would greatly outperform them for years.
Just throwing ideas around. All those prices I listed are more than what I paid, but I am being patient about a GPU upgrade. My old RX280 is still holding up really well so I'm ok but if you've been without a gaming system maybe you don't want to wait for sales and stuff.
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I have some older spares from the last PC, (The RAM is likely bad, but I will have more than plenty of HDD storage) and am comfortable moving parts around. I used to build my own, but it feels more like a chore now, when it used to be a fun experience. Maybe that's where my fault lies?
Otherwise, yeah the custom build idea has been off-putting because I can't get a great GPU for cheap at all. Thanks for your recommendation, though.
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Like others have said it is a horrible time to be buying and creating a gaming rig, since RAM and GPU is really high priced. I still have my 5 year old GPU a 7870 and so far I am able to play some new games, not at the highest graphic settings, but able to tweak it so it plays and looks good at the same time.
But I've read somewhere that buying a pre-built PC is or can be cheaper now then when buying it part-by-part since of the outrageous prices the different computer parts stores are charging, for me myself I am just hoping that my 5 year old GPU doesn't die any time soon, so it can last till the prices drop to more reasonable prices so then I can upgrade my GPU.
No point in paying 1k for a GPU when in the past before this whole crypt=crap happened I could for 1k upgrade my computer with more than just a top of the line GPU - I was thinking maybe myself (but that could be more expensive then possibly just buying the GPU and my select upgrades) that maybe I could buy a pre-built pc to get the GPU cheap + some misc upgrades (like SSDs,HDDs... cannot use ram since most ram is DDR4 and my current pc only supports DDR3) and then sell the rest of the pre-built pc to recoup some of my costs... but who knows selling the spare parts might not work or may take awhile, so might just be better off waiting till prices drop or till my GPU dies and am forced to pay the arm and a leg to use my pc.
My current motherboard has no onboard video, so when my 5 almost 6 year GPU finally goes, I will be out of a computer as well.
edit: for the topic at hand, the pre-builts that you have look fairly decent for 1080p playing, but if you would want to do higher resolutions then 1080p at the better graphics then you will probably need a better GPU, also I think a lot of those come with only 8GB of a ram which nowadays I think isn't that much, especially with newer games.
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Solid advice.
8 GB RAM is really a bit critical nowadays.. not recommended for some games today, a bigger issue in the near future probably.
Better go for 16 Gig.
And definitely use a SSD for the OS, Apps, and most demanding games.
And I'm sorry to say it, but he's right, it really is a bad time for new hardware right now due to the prices.
Good point about buying a complete/pre-built system though. You could save a lot of money in the past when building your own, but I don't recommend it anymore. For one, you need to know what you are actually doing (ESD, anyone?), you have to invest the time for picking the parts and making sure they fit together etc., and more, it is not really worth it anymore. A good deal on a pre-built is way cheaper nowadays..
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I hear you about the pre-builts, which is one of the reasons I'm looking to go that route, but based on some of the feedback in this thread, I'm not sure if it's actually cheaper or not. I used to build my own, so I'm comfortable doing it again, but I don't anticipate it being any fun like it used to be for me.
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Yeah, I guess it's the same for me. Building used to be fun for me, but I don't have to do it again if I am honest.
It always depends on the deal or offer, I'd say. It was really cheaper in the past, but this has changed, maybe not everyone has caught up to this. I searched around with some friends, granted, that was almost a year ago, but we compared some good deals for pre-builts with our own part pickings, to see if we could beat the price, but it was hardly possible or worth it.
I can't say for sure how the situation is now, but given the inflated prices for GPUs, and also rather high RAM prices, I'd say that all in all it's even worse for your own build currently.
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1080P is well enough for me, so that's that. :) My old GPU was a GTX 660 and it handled most everything well enough. Maybe not MAX settings, but not minimum, either at 60fps.
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What kind of gaming are you aiming? (resolution, graphic quality)
Feels like an awkward time. All those new cpu, apu, gpu from intel, amd, nvidia later this year.
But if you don't really care about that, maybe prebuilt is a good choice.
Seems like the price of hardware keeps going up in the future.
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I was in the middle of playing DOOM when my old box crashed. I was getting 60 frames at 1080P with mid-low settings. That or better is really good enough for me. Other than that, price is really the driving factor (I'd love a dual 1080/TITAN, but... hahahahah - no), while not needing to upgrade in a year or so a close second.
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Now is not the time unless your old PC suddenly died.
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It was a few months ago, so I'm really itching to replace. I've been watching prices here and there, but nothing has come out and screamed at me in that time.
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Hi, I think you are choosing very good parts for upgrade, but just remember about the Ryzen 1700x does not include AMD original fan in the box, and you must buy a good CPU cooling system which could be cost extra about 50$, and nowadays, the developers and publisher optimizing their game to use as much thread as they can, it started from GTA V, which was optimized for employing up to 8 thread, and the Battlefield 1 that is the most CPU based game until now! so I suggest u that go for AMD Ryzen 1700 if u don't have a good cooling system other-wise go for 1700x: (the difference is 5% on performance)
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3915vs3917
and about SSD, don't go for M2, buy EVO 850 Gen 3 256GB that is the most valuable SSD with SATA III interface, it is ve cheep and has the highest value per dollar for performance u got, I have this drive. I think if u go for this plan, u can upgrade both CPU and ssd together :)
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Makes sense, thanks. Any thoughts on the system as a whole (versus simply the upgrades)? Looks like others don't think the whole unit/price is very good.
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The main problem is the graphics card, and with a pre-built PC you're getting solves the problem of the excessive GPU prices. The GPU is definitely middle of the road, but in the current market you can't expect to get any better, certainly not for a reasonable price.
Other than this it's merely okay. You could save a little by buying the HDD option and adding an SSD yourself (especially if you choose a 2.5" one instead of M.2).
The Ryzen 5 1400 is a chip that's at the end of life. The Ryzen 5 2400G will be released today and will replace it. That's not to say that the 1400 will be bad, but I'll be looking at it more as a placeholder. Which frankly isn't bad. The benefit of the AM4 platform is that AMD promises support for it up to 2020 at least, so you'd be able to upgrade later to a faster CPU if you need one.
In this respect, even the 1700X isn't that future proof. AMD's next generation Ryzen will be released in April (except for the 2400G and 2200G which are released today, and are 'half generation'). In general, Intel is still better for gaming, and it's hoped that Ryzen 2 will close the gap somewhat.
I think it's worth waiting for the 2400G reviews later today.
tl;dr: When buying prebuilt you're compromising, getting second rate hardware, but if you need a new GPU, that's pretty much the only way to find one at a reasonable price.
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When buying prebuilt you're compromising, getting second rate hardware, but if you need a new GPU, that's pretty much the only way to find one at a reasonable price.
That's certainly what it feels like, looking at all the options out there. I'm aware of the GPU draw for non-gaming, which sucks for us...
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Looked at HP. This looks much better. Same price (it's on sale), but Ryzen 5 1600 ($60 upgrade to 1700) and RX 580 4GB. You'd have to get your own SSD (upgrade price is ridiculous), but other than this, I'd go for it.
(Worth checking if the motherboard has 4 RAM slots, for future upgrade, but I don't think it's a deal breaker.)
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That's $440 extra for the base configuration (and you need to add an SSD). Totally different price range (but of course, also different performance).
Are you planning to game on a 1440p or 4K monitor?
I'd suggest buying the Ryzen 5 1600 configuration, and saving the extra money for future upgrades. It should be good enough for gaming for now.
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1080P. I've got a 27" monitor that looks just fine at that level (and hardly any physical space for a bigger one as it is). I certainly don't think I need a top tier card, but the $500 off seems great to me. Maybe I'm just easily drawn in by flashing lights.
I appreciate the level-headed feedback.
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That 570 just isn't good enough. Don't get anything with less than a 1060 or 580.
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What do you think about some of the other options I listed, e.g. https://store.asus.com/us/item/201708AM230000005/A47366 ?
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That 1400 is kinda weak in the long run and limited overall. If I was getting an AMD system I'd look for 1600. And for intel the clear budget choice is i5 8400, its gaming performance is ridiculous for the money, you can pair it with pretty much any GPU and it won't bottleneck it. Personally I'd look for an i5 8400 system, so see if you can find that.
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Thanks! There are a few 8400s out there on my list.
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Try to pair them with a 1060 6gb or 1070 depending on your budget.
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Therein lies some of my issue: cost. I can't find a 'cheap' setup with a 6G 1060. $1000 (the ASUS link I already sent) is the absolute minimum I've found with the pre-builts.
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Can't offer any specific advice, since I don't quite follow the news on hardware, but when I bought my current laptop half a year ago, I'd check the recommendation for each component of a laptop (CPU, RAM, GPU, Monitor, etc.), pick out a lower end option that I can satisfy with and a high end wish-to-have option that isn't too ridiculously expensive and start searching for one within the budget range. I also subscribe to deals websites and wait for sale seasons.
Good luck.
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I'm not so knowledgeable about his as to be able to give advice, but have a bump.
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I prefer Intel over AMD (although I don't have anything against AMD computers, as my last one was an Athlon), so I can't really tell if that would be a good deal or not. Unfortunately, due to data mining, video cards and RAM are being grossly overcharged. If you can weather the storm and wait to get the computer, it might be better to wait until the prices get more reasonable.
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Sure, but when might that be? XD
I've already been without a power system for a while, and I'm anxious to get back up.
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460 Watt Power Supply (what the even fuck lol)
2400MHz ram
anonymous ssd
anonymous rx570
Uhmm :\ I'd skip that
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Well, as others stated, that deal is not great. The four you stated later are way better.
Most of the times pre-built ones are bad and overpriced. But now parts are also overpriced: I paid less for my RAM a year or 2 ago, than I would now. And same for GPU. Mostly thanks to shortage, caused by cryptocurrency mining.
I am not sure what you could get for $1000 in custom build, my build is already almost 2 years old. I paid about €1300 back then for GTX970, i&-6700K, 4GB DDR4, 3TB WD Black HDD, 650W PSU, Z170 MoBo, case, CPU cooler, and BluRay Burner (costed barely 10 more than player)
See my build here (Dutch site, like PC Part Picker) My Buld
I picked it a bit higher end, as I'd rather buy a good product once, than replace it later on, as replacing means buying 2, and is thus more expensive.
EDIT: Side-note, I have no SSD, and it would be my first upgrade, as that would boost performance, mainly for boot-up and some demanding games.
All that being said: You could look into a custom build, and if you don't have the know-how to put it together yourself (or friends who can help you), there are sites that will put it together for you, usually for about $60.
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I looked at some sides like xidax.com for custom builds, but if I'm not putting it together myself, I couldn't find a really good deal.
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Yeah, I didn't know xidax, but just looked at at, and it is overpriced.
I built my pc myself (granted, I have affinity for and experience with tech), butit is not that hard. Even Terry Crews did it
If you ever plugged a cable into anything, and screwed in anything, you are able to assemble a PC.
Look up some videos of assembly, and see how you find it. Take one of these guides for example.
Self-assembly is the only way to get the best prices. Be aware that not every supplier (i.e. store, not brand) gives full warranty when self-assembling, so select suppliers wisely. Of course, user error is never under warranty, but some stores deny warranty when you build yourself, even when it is a faulty product. Also dependent on local laws, as here they are not allowed to deny warranty.
Hope this helps
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have potatoe laptop and can't advice anything
bumping ¯ \\ (ツ) / ¯
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Can't view Dell links. Since I live in Canada, it just redirects me to the Canadian Homepage for Dell instantly. That being said, Although I prefer the case design of the other Amazon and Asus links... This one is the best option out of what I can view.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y8XJJ7L/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3OMZPVCIVOZL0&colid=1O52B4PPBVBMR&psc=0
Edit: Also, maybe check out this site if you are indeed living in the US. You can select from a mass variety of prebuilts, and then customize components you want in them.
Or go directly through CyberPower site, since I think it works out cheaper then through 3rd parties normally.
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Honestly, looking at the direct sites, I don't see such good deals. For example, the cheapest base configuration on ibuypower is $980, but only comes with an i3-7100 and RX 550.
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I would lean towards the ASUS box, as Dell motherboards quite often only have two RAM slots as a cost saving measure, also the ASUS appears to ship with a 256GB SSD and 1TB HDD.
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An SSD is basically mandatory today. Especially for the OS, and perhaps some of the larger AAA games. Once you've tried an SSD, you'll never look back. So I would choose that.
A good middle option for the CPU would be the 1600 model, which has 2 more cores. Ryzen 1400 is just a little too weak. Also, remember that Ryzen loves fast memory, so 3000 or 3200 mhz ram would be preferred.
Ryzen+ should launch within a couple of months, so maybe you can wait for a better deal on the old CPU's?
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I've been waiting. XD But yes, that may be a better move overall.
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Hi SteamGifters!
I'm in the market for a new PC (mine's been toast for a while), and I came upon a decent deal for a pre-built machine at a budget price. It comes with some customization options that I'd like to poll all you guys on.
Overall, the PC is low-ish spec for a new setup, but seems to me to be more than enough to manage modern games. I'm not 10000% sold on it, but with the price it's at, I think it's
very appealing. (Apparently, this is not a great deal, and I suck at this - thanks for your help so far, guys.) My question for you all, is what (if either) should I upgrade from the options of processor or HDD?For the processor, the base option is an AMD Ryzen 5 1400, upgrades to a Ryzen 7 1700X for $150 USD. I have a decent separate workstation, so this will be a gaming-dedicated box, so I shouldn't need too much extra in terms of multi-tasking ability. I don't know that I need the higher proc, but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe I don't need it, but might it be better for the long-term investment/future-proofing?
For the hard drive, the base is a 1TB HDD, upgrades to a 256G SSD (with 1TB for storage) for $100. In my own experience, a slow drive or a shared system/storage drive has been a real pain, especially for some games that read a lot of assets while loading (I'm looking at you, Cities:Skylines). It never impacted my performance enough that I thought I ought to upgrade my drive on an old computer, but I'm upgrading the whole shebang, so I figured I might as well.
Overall, are either of the two upgrades worth it? (And before you suggest, getting both is getting me up to my limit on budget. I could maybe squeeze it out, but I only want to go that route if you all convince me it's really a worthwhile investment.) Is one especially better than the other? Are neither going to make a noticeable change in how I play? If you could fill out the poll, that'd be helpful, but any other insights you want to provide would be much appreciated.
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Edit: Just in case, here's some other options I'm looking into at least at the moment:
https://store.asus.com/us/item/201708AM230000005/A47366
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/new-inspiron-gaming-desktop/spd/inspiron-5680-gaming-desktop/ddcwblsk104ph
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y8XJJ7L/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3OMZPVCIVOZL0&colid=1O52B4PPBVBMR&psc=0
https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXIVR8020A4-Desktop-i5-7400-7200RPM/dp/B0767S8KCX?tag=hardwarevol03-20&th=1
Thanks!
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