Internet points are valuable commodity in some places in the world.
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I'm guessing one reason may be that some people don't like to be deceived and want to point out the behavior of wrongdoers, who disturb the equilibrium of this website, which is built upon generosity and trust.
Note: Fake giveaways are frequently deleted by the support staff after their illegitimacy is confirmed, refunding points to entrants of the giveaways.
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I guess its just the feeling of injustice that bothers people or something, although making people seem decent like that is a little "too good to be true."
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so you're telling me i can't cash out those points?:O
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They are so worried that someone else that they don't know is going to lose their imaginary points, (Which if they had read the rules they would know that you get your points back when a giveaway is found to be fake). Also if they had read the rules they could avoid their suspension and wasting the moderators time, but alas they are just really wasting everyone's time.
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I think that most users who "call out" only want to show off their "skills of deduction". It's a known fact that every human being likes being right.
Probably some people more than others, so they can't control their impulse to point out something that they could be right about.
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Instead of totally waste them on not winning game A that could be fake, they could have spent them more wisely by not winning game B instead.
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Exactly. Not winning games is important business, especially when spending free points!
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IMHO It's not about the points. But we all know it would suck to win a fake giveaway, so people try to warn others.
Statistically speaking, by entering public giveaways you win on average every 2000th-ish giveaway (my guess), so if you're the lucky guy who "wins" that fake giveaway, on average it will take you another 2000th-ish entries to win "again", for real this time. I know it in fact has no effect on your chances to win, you could enter first 3 giveaways and win them all, but on average...
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Exactly this^ i personally dont care about the points but i dont see the problem of warning other people about possibly winning a fake game, and in most cases a AAA one, of course calling out "FAKE" might be a bit harsh but how about asking the creator if he knows how the site works? people should not get suspended for that
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I also don't think that people should get suspended for trying to warn others, but I also don't think that they should post things like that in the first place. Leave policing the site to the mods, it's their job and they do it well enough without having to deal with constant complaints based primarily on suspicion. What I really don't understand is when people post things like "not worth the points, obviously fake." To me, even the most suspicious of giveaways are worth my free points if there is any chance at all that I will get a free game out of it. If not, then so be it, I'll tell the mods and let them take care of it. Meanwhile, I won't be crying myself to sleep over not getting something free that I did nothing to earn in the first place. In a site full of bad luck (and, in a way, fueled by it), it seems like the chance of the giveaway you win being a fake one should not be a major factor. People seem all too eager to throw away their points when they have a 1 in 8,000 chance of winning a game, but they are reluctant to do so when they have a 1 in 8,000 chance of possibly winning a game. In each case, you only have a 0.0125% chance of winning, so why not give it a shot and not complain until you have actually been wronged?
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The only problem with this way of thinking is that saying "on average" you win every 2000 and winning a fake GA means you will essentially "use up" that win is misleading. It would suck to win a fake GA, but that win means literally nothing. Suppose there was no fake GA to enter in the first place. If you had to wait 2000 more entries after the fake one that you won, then that would mean that you would have to wait those same 2000 if you did not enter any GA. You rather have to look at each individual giveaway as a completely separate event, not at all related to each other.
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You're right, Crosser is using something like the Gambler's Fallacy, assuming past events can affect the chances in future independent events. One has to assume that steamgifts doesn't look at the win history of people entered into a giveaway when it chooses (at random) a winner.
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The point is valid that odds are against you winning a real giveaway immediately after a fake, but your odds of winning don't go down much. That being said, the odds of winning a game (for realzies) do go down overall, more for every fake giveaway you unwittingly enter. Over all, the change is minimal in an already minimal statistic. If you odds are something like 0.05%, a change in 0.001% is like a drop in the bucket.
If you were the one to realize you've won a game you really wanted, only to get shortchanged, you would still be upset though, whether it is a potential free game, on a free site, that cost nothing to enter into or not, it is still deceptive and the disappointment still hits.
Plus, making a fake giveaway is mathematically pointless, why bother...
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+1 to the point about it being disappointing. I was only saying that it really isn't worth it to not try.
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Whether it is or isn't, odds are, if nailed by a fake, you will probably feel the need to do something, I imagine the disgust for the concept would also make them want to call out. Why they are going out of their way to research something like this when there are hundreds of GAs running at any given time, idk.
one guess is that it could be from doing trades, checking to see if they're being scammed when prepping for a trade, but from what I've seen, those trades seem to open too big of a door for scams to even bother with, assuming you have a steam inventory to trade.
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People get suspended for it, and a lot of the giveaways get removed anyway.
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No, actually they don't get suspended for it. When it is lucky enough to get caught the giveaway is simply deleted and there is rarely (if any) meaningful consequences or accountability for those who create fake giveaways and fail to deliver -- and it's getting worse and worse. Meanwhile, anyone who does anything even remotely resembling questioning the authenticity of a giveaway gets immediately jumped on by the mindless sheep that have been brainwashed here and are punished harshly, which is not equal treatment and says to your user base that you care more about suspending people than actually protecting the interests of your users or taking meaningful steps to help insure the legitimacy of giveaways.
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I can assure you people are suspended. I've seen it more times than not.
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Agreed with you, I already won a fake giveaway of a user that apparently understands the site (he has 2 games delivered), followed his profile for a while and he didn't got suspended.
I think we should have a 1 month ban or something for this kind of thing, because if the user can't even fucking read the FAQ or understand how this site works, he shouldn't be here...
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Mainly because it happens so often, and people who join a group like SG and then start trying to post a GA without understanding how it works pisses the smart people off. I have seen many times where someone signs up, enters a few giveaways, and then starts their own GA for like 5 copies of Skyrim, that they do not own or intend to buy, because they thought they just had to create a GA, not actually give away THEIR own copy of a gift or key. people who act before they understand...they piss some people off.
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I have seen many times where someone signs up, enters a few giveaways, and then starts their own GA for like 5 copies of Skyrim, that they do not own or intend to buy, because they thought they just had to create a GA, not actually give away THEIR own copy of a gift or key
...Nobody could possible be THAT stupid. They must have been trolling, and when called out on it they made up a dumb excuse to justify what they did.
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I just ignore the obviously fake giveaways. However, it pisses me off when I see a game on my wishlist being given away, get a little excited about the possibility of winning it, and then find out that there is no giveaway because the creator doesn't understand how the site works.
And anyone who doesn't understand how the site works is an absolute moron, regardless of native language. I mean, where do they think the games come from other than their own inventory?
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Kids didn't get enough attention from daddy, so now they are crying at other members/mods for attention.
Honestly, after a while I hate the idiot crybabies so much more than the poor people who can't understand simple english text, and make a mistake.
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I understand that no-calling out rule but I do think there's good reason to avoid spending "precious" points on fake giveaways. I may be weird for doing this but when I enter a giveaway with, say, 1000 entries, I look at it as choosing to take one 1/1000th of a game. On a $40 that's something like 4 cents. If a giveaway looks, say, 90% likely to be fake, you're entering for 0.4 cents. My point is you could instead use the P on giveaways that are much more likely to be legit.
What I'm not sure about is if points are returned to entrants if a (fake) giveaway is deleted after it ended.
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Points are returned if the giveaway is found to be fake. I don't get why you put a value on the points at all. Everything here is free, and they are generated rapidly enough for it to not matter.
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But there's still opportunity cost. Just because points are generated at no charge doesn't mean they don't have inherent value. Granted that value is tiny and it's not worth worrying over a few lost points here and there.
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Looking at one giveaway right now which people are concerned about - there's about 6000 entries, 550 comments, I'd estimate less than 50 which are anything more than a generic thank you message, and probably only about 20 or 30 who are actually complaining about this rather than about the people complaining about this. 0.5% of people are crazy? That sounds reasonably low. :)
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As a tule of thumb, if i see a Game thats worth more than $20 and i know it havent been in a bundle i check the profile of the guy making the Givewaya, that has saved me hundreds of points
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Points aren't a big deal to me, but I feel much better missing out on a tiny chance to win a giveaway than I would beating the odds to win only to find it wasn't real.
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But you don't know the giveaway is fake until it is proven fake, and is it not worth the chance to try anyway? People might have outside keys, etc. Also, everything on this site is just chance, so is that not just taking another chance?
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Well, I'm with mhetralla. Let's say that someone is "giving away" Skyrim Legendary Edition. The user just registered a day ago, doesn't have the game on it's account, and also doesn't have a lot of games, just a couple (and could enter SG by pure luck), none of them being AAA games. Wouldn't you suspect that he does't understand the site? Also it could be real, but what are the odds? They are really low. So, it's true that you get free points, and everything it's free, but why I would waste my 60 points in a really probably fake giveaway, when I can use them in anothers, that are more possible to being real?
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I don't know about them not being in short supply - depends on your perspective. When I was new here I was regularly using up all my points. After a bit of time set in the novelty wore off for me and I started entering less. Another factor that goes with that is my library growing hugely because of wins and all the bundles/games I was buying as a result of people posting about them on here. There was less stuff that I wanted to win. When I was new though, I'd often use my points and find myself waiting for them to regenerate.
I've heard of some people 'banking' their points for future use when they're approaching 300 so they must think that they have a need to do so and might occasionally find 300 not enough at any one time.
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While some of the explanations given above are sensible, it's also because many users have to pick their entries, joining a possibly fake giveaway for an expensive game they really want means giving up on other more common giveaways they might be curious about and that for some reason they have not bought yet.
This is true especially for users with small libraries, but is not necessarily limited to them. E.g. I've been trying to win a copy of Trainz Simulator 12 for some time now, which is worth 30 points; do I enter two TZ12 giveaways that have a 99.9% probability of being legitimate, or do I go for one possibly fake giveaway of that new Thief game I'd really like?
Regardless how many incredibly smart and funny remarks are made about points having no real value, there is an opportunity cost associated with fake giveaways. It might be argued that this cost is very small but it's there, because the probability of winning the non-fake giveaway (no matter how small) is non-zero, while not joining translates to a zero win probability.
In other words the expected value of the common giveaway is quite certainly non-zero, while the expected value of the big bucks game is affected by a non-negligible amount of uncertainty - something that usually tends to upset people.
edit: or in other other words, do I give up multiple small chances to win something not very valuable for one very small chance to win a very expensive nothing ?
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I understand your point but is anybody really having that many issues with points? You get them back very quickly and I don't think people are entering so many giveaways that they can't choose what to enter. If you are, then surely you can afford to drop out of a later ending one and enter one that's ending soon, wait for points to come back and enter the other.
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This is actually a really great explanation. I don't entirely agree with it, but I see where your'e coming from and I respect your opinion. I still personally am in the boat of "Oh, well. I guess I'll just wait awhile to get more free points," but thinking about it in terms of opportunity cost can produce a different perspective.
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A very erudite post. How refreshing.
Okay, okay, this community here is not quite as dumb (far from it) as many fora out there. But... it's not often I read such a wonderfully written and argued and just thought-out post.
Kudos. Damn, were did I put my Kudos? What are you saying? You can't gibe Kudos on this site? For shame!
;-)
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weirdfish, your explanation is exactly why I have removed points from some giveaways that I thought were possible fake to invest in ones that seemed like a better chance.
Also, if you're looking for a Trainz Simulator 12 giveaway ...
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i have a feeling that you're an industrial engineer. or something about economics.
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It's simple: People don't like liars. If you appear to be lying, then people will call you out. Just like if you appear to be committing a crime, someone will rat (tattle) on you. It's no different.
Also, people get their hopes up when they see someone giving away 5 copies of a brand new game only to be let down by the fact that the OP is new to steamgifts and doesn't own more than TF2 and Dota 2. Sure, it's free internet points (steamgift points are free). But, it is still a let down nonetheless. It's like being pranked. Nobody likes being pranked.
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Here's some FAKE keys for da ninjas
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You sound like someone who lives on a "it happens" or "who cares" point of view, which is fair enough and a good mind set to have in some occasions. But of course people will be pissed off, If I gave a lollipop to a little kid and then ripped it away from them you would obviously think I'm an asshole. This is sort of like the same thing, I get very happy knowing that I'm entered in a giveaway for a game I think is awesome, I'm also quite thankful for the chance knowing that I have very little. But when you find out its all just someone trying to dog you over for utterly no reason what so ever. Then I'm not happy at all!! And complaining is also FREE :P.
What I think is crazy is that you came on the internet thinking that people wouldn't complain :P its the internet, someone could get a free boat and complain its not big enough :P lol.
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First off, I am in no way condoning fake giveaways at all. I agree that no one should make them and that anyone who does should be banned or suspended.
BUT- I don't see why people are so worried about "too good to be true" giveaways being fake before they enter them. I mean, why do people care if they lose 40 or 60 FREE points given to them by a FREE site in order to enter FREE giveaways where people give away FREE games? There is absolutely no catch or personal risk involved. People act like they had to pay for their points and that they are in short supply when, in truth, neither of those are the case. Am I the only one that thinks this is crazy? Does anyone know why people think this way?
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