Regrettably, Valve will merrily cock a virtual leg over this petition, and any others which rise up after it.
Until the petition consists of a sizeable number of regular game purchasing Valve users, publicly stating their user names, and provably refusing to spend another cent in the Valve store until something changes, nothing will change.
It's easy to get a petition signed by a batallion of internet warriors, but until people vote with their wallets (and are demonstrably proven to do so), it will have no impact. Actions and $$$s speak louder than the near-silent mouse-clicks required to sign a petition.
I suspect the vast majority of petition signatories will carry on using Steam, buying games, and selling trading cards etc in the Valve store. Even in the cases of those who don't, Valve will have little idea of why they stopped buying, and will probably neither notice nor care that a handful of users have ceased activity. I am certain more active Steam users die every day, leaving their accounts to gather dust, than users who signed this petition and will boycott Steam until this change is reversed.
This undoubtedly sucks, but if the customer doesn't care enough to change their habits, you can be damn sure the corporation who sells to them won't, no matter how many people add their names to a meaningless list on the internet, which takes no commitment to sign, and isn't backed up by any sort of tangible actions.
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Based on death rates in the US, with Steam having 125 million users, you're looking at about 2000-2500 Steam users dying each day. Rather morbid, but right now Steam probably loses more customers a day from natural causes then this petition has signatures.
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The largest group of people dying would probably be senior citizens so I'm not sure Valve is losing that many users from death. But the number of people who were actually using the gift feature is definitely a drop in the ocean for them.
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So it's been a full week. Looks to be there may be no changes huh? :/
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Pretty much this.
This change on the gift system depressed me to no end.
The lack of feedback, the mods on the steam forums hiding every post about it, the steam zealots there defending the impossible, the way they presented this with lies, half truths and total disrespect to the customer. The damage that this cause on this community that I've learnt to love.
Idk, what do you people feel about this?
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This is good news for key sellers like Instant Gaming and cdkeys.
I for sure will buy less games directly from Steam for giveaways. Probably just some games I want for myself.
They will notice at the next major sale. But I'm sure Valve knows this. I wonder why this could be good for them.
And about the petition... I've signed quite a few and there wasnt a single one succesful. Not gonna bother as its useless imo.
EDIT: This probably means goodbye to summersale and secret santa events... a pity really
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Well. I'm late to the party here, but I still want to add my two cents. I've been living under a rock, and I only noticed this change when my first GA in so many months ended an hour ago. I had to go back and forth a few times to make sure "store in my inventory" wasn't accidentally missing or something. Nope.
For me this sucks because there's no longer an option to stock up on gifts during sales, then distribute them at a later time, unless I make a day job out of tracking IsThereAnyDeal, scouring key sites and reading the fine print on the region locks very carefully. Spoilers: I don't have time for that. Even during sales, the hassle of making sure you time it just right so you don't get screwed with pricing differences means that doing a lot of gifts like these at once is pretty much out of the question. Sure, I could restrict myself to bundle GAs or something, but is there ever any shortage of those? No.
I had already planned to keep my return modest, but now it looks like Valve is imposing these conditions on me anyway. No more trains, subway lines or birthday bashes for me. I think I'll stick to wishlist GAs. I've never minded that occasionally I pay full money on a big game for those, since I know I'm getting something from someone's wishlist. They're just not going to be very frequent.
Greed. It's why we can't have nice things.
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Lazy community received what it deserves. Next update will be even more bad, but still people will sit quiet. Shame.
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While this doesn't affect me much as a Steam user, since I don't play CS:GO or any of those games where people trade games for items, it's disappointing to me as a member of SG, since I like to do the occasional non bundle GA or even a train. I can understand though how this is a lot more upsetting for a lot of people. Not sure if this will change the way I buy or not.
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Today I've found few games in Steam on sale and was like "Oh, great! I'm gonna buy few copies of this games", but then I faced this new "very cool for users" option where I can't store purchased gifts in my inventory. Ok. Thanks Valve you saved my 35$ =)
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This makes me so angry. I just found out today when i saw The Silent Age on sale, and i was like "Awesome i'm going to buy 3 copies and put them on steam gifts!" SO i went to steam gifts and put it up there first, just to check and make sure it wasn't one of those no-no games (you know the ones they wont let you list because it was previously free or something). Anyway i had the listing active and then went to purchase 3 copies and lo behold, no save to inventory!!! AH HOW TERRRIBLE IS THIS! so i'm hoping that 2 of the 3 winners add me before the sale runs out because i have like, no extra cash to buy it at full price.
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Will that make SG a bundled game giveaway website, right? Do the rules about bundled games have any sense right now?
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What i'm mostly interested in, and have found very little information about (though i'll be honest, i didn't exactly read all 13 pages of this discussion), is the whole "Multi-Pack" thing.
For example (since maybe someone has already done this after the whole "new gifting policy" implementation on Steam's behalf), what if i buy a 3-pack containing the same game 3 times?
Will the remaining 2 copies still be treated as a gift like in the case of a single game being bought as a gift?
I mean i understood the main thing - namely that if i buy "DOOM" as a gift (for example), i must set a date AND a specific person who will receive it.
TL;DR?
(if this HAS already been answered, i'm sorry for not properly paying attention)
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no, if you buy a multipack the gifts will get added to your inventory like in old system. It was discussed thou that with new system new games may not include multipacks anymore or if they wish to include them it can be done by some new system - but this is all just guessing, we will not know until there is some new game doing multipacks.
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My "DOOM" example was unfortunately just a poor example of what i originally wanted to know.
What i wanted to know is if games like Blockstorm, OBEY, Orbital Gear and others, which also have the "4-pack" option, will leave the other 3 copies in our inventory to use at our leisure.
You said that it's possible and that the copies will indeed be stored in our inventory to use how and when we please.
My only remaining question though, is this:
Since the new "Steam Gift Policy", has anyone actually bought a 2, 3 or 4-pack to see if what i ask is true?
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Well you guys have been of very much help indeed.
Again, thanks everyone.
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Here's what Valve should have done instead:
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quick questions about '1.':
Which difference exactly? From the initial purchase price or the current purchase price? Since prices tend to change, be it due to age or sales, which price would it be fair to pay?
Would the opposite situation be available too, if the buyer sends to a cheaper region than himself, will he get reimbursed for the difference?
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Ideally, the price in the target region when the gift was purchased. SteamDB seem to keep track of this.
Reimbursing for the opposite situation would be nice, but even if Valve don't do it and only implement the rest it would still be much better than the current situation.
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Usually I'd buy something for my friends birthdays now and hold onto it in my inventory until their birthdays.
Since inventory gifting is removed there's only the option of chosing a delivery date.
Does someone know what happens if the person buys the game I scheduled to send in a few months until then?
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I now really understand. I hate this new gift system. Three bundles I wish to buy. I own one item in each bundle so these bundles can only be bought as gift. I wanted to gift this to myself. If I buy what is missing seperataly it cost literally 80% more then buying the bundles to complete my sets. now I will buy nothing.
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can we re vote i think not many people knew about it.
I know volvo did to prevent people from buying or getting gifted by other people in other country but that is sad what happen if I buy multiple copys and I dont want to send to my friends immidiatly what if I buy multple dlc what happen to those keys. this system sucks that why I might stop buying from steam.
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https://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791457287600/announcements/detail/1301948399254001159
You can now only buy something directly for another steam user and if they decline, your money gets refunded.
"Steam Gifting will now be a system of direct exchange from gift buyer to gift receiver, and we will be retiring the Gift to E-mail and Gift to Inventory options."
"Note: Pre-existing gifts will be unaffected by this change."
here's a change.org petition created by another user in the thread,
https://www.change.org/p/valve-corporation-valve-please-bring-back-previous-gift-system-on-steam
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