I'm curious what happens with keys of games like Gun Monkeys that dropped a gift in your inventor upon activation. That one was given away for free several times, can someone try and see what happens?
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i just applied a minion master steamkey on an alt account and still received my additional bonus copy it gives. that gift copy still has the old set of rules and can be email delivered and claims it will be tradeable in 30days.
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no prob, i was curious too and needed to trade the booster packs from that account to mine anyways. ^^
edit: i assume the 2packs & 4packs will work like they used to as well with these results.
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They may end up eliminating keys altogether, making it so 3rd parties have to use the API to redeem the game directly to your account
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they had oauth 2years ago and removed it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/2s6v9s/steam_removing_oauth_key_redemption/
i don't remember the reason or if there even was one, but there must of been a reason or it probably would of already came back.
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It has come back, Nvidia has used it since 2015 for their promos. There's also alternative of granting packages directly to account, without use of a key.
Just about no one uses tho.
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well yeah, you're actually right.. it never was truly removed to begin with. but steam specifically told humble & indiegala to stop using it and change to a steamkey based system. so there was probably a reason why they had them do that. it seems it's only used for promotional purposes now though like nvidia.
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It wasn't to my impression that HB wanted to stop using it, do you now why that happened?
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It was great. But Valve's total random nature struck again.
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According to TB's video from the time he visited Valve, they wanted a way for devs to flag your account to use a game, instead of them giving you keys. I bet this will be their next step.
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they might introduce game rental service, like movies )))
.. and if you get all the achievements in a week - have 10% return to wallet)
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That's just so blatantly stupid. In what way is this actually good for Valve or any of the people who use Steam?
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Valve: $$$ (in their opinion anyway).
Everyone else: Valve: "Who gives a ****?"
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Fuck. All my Steam gifts here were actual Steam gifts. :(
I was expecting they would eventually just remove gifting to email and accepting the gift into the inventory, so the gift would go directly into the library.
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doesn't affect me, even a bit
My country/region sucks if I have to buy from HB/IG/BS/GOG/(insert-other-retail-here)
and most of the price in My region is much more cheaper
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Safe Cross-Country Gifting
No more worrying if a Gift to E-mail or Gift to Inventory is going to work for a friend, gifts sent through the new system will always work on the receiver's account. When there is a large difference in pricing between countries, gifting won't be available and you'll know before purchase.
this will kill VPN gift activation also.
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Couldn't they just activate (most) row gifts anyway? I was actually referring to gifts with region locks. you could activate them with VPN and after 88 days exactly they became playable on your account without VPN. Worked great if you weren't in a rush to play those games.
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I never entered for GAs when it said that they were unavailable in Germany. However you might be right, since I heard that others and no problems with activating games.
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Great! This is exactly how I did giveaways. Bought them cheap on Steam when they are on sale, stored them in my inventory and gave them away. The good thing was that Steam told me if a winner already owns this or that from a complete pack - then was re-roll time.
;_;
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so...GameBillet, Humble and Co. are now the only way to buy Games for GAs...
Good to know :/
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[...] The gifting process has had a bunch of friction in it for a while, and we want to make it easier for you to share the games you love with friends. [...]
No more worrying if a Gift to E-mail or Gift to Inventory is going to work for a friend, [...]
Look at them trying to polish the turd
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rip resellers
nah, those won't die out even remotely, will switch to keys
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In a one swift move they cut the business of G2A et al. in half. It was a long time coming considering all the changes to trading Valve has made over the last couple of years, but it's still disappointing, especially with SG in mind.
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This +1 but we still have keys, they cant cut off keys
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But they could make devs/publishers start paying a cut for activated keys.
Since this new announcement highly encourages customers to buy from online key-retailers (for gifting/trading/hoarding) instead of the Steam Store, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the currently unlimited free redeemable keys given to game devs are next on the Valve hitlist.
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if this will happen you can say byebye to steam for good
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bro if this happens then that will be the final nail in the coffin for steam. Trading is linked to hundred of thousands of people all over the world and many are earning their living on it. I dont think they would do such shit.
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Sure they can. They could stop allowing new keys to be generated any time they want, and require all other retailers to directly link to your steam account to activate purchases.
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If this happens then it means sg + st will be gone too because there will be nothing left to trade.
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Well, as long as GOG / UPlay / Origin support keys, there will still be some trading.
And even if all keys went away, 3rd party stores could just build in their own trading system.
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yeah, that's what i just said below kinda.. steam cannot force humble to remove their own gifting system from it. so even if oauth came back and was forced, humble gifting still allows for gifting/trading/reselling/etc.
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They had that in the past, and i activated some keys on humble too this method, but forcing it this is just shit
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i totally agree, but i don't think they can force humble to get rid of their own gifting.. so steam forcing retailers to utilize those services wouldn't prevent gifting/trading/reselling/etc anyways. ^^
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Rip trades, also... no Half-life 3, nice, GABE, nice Valve. NOT!. I guess it´s time to prepare to move to another platform, if they rip trades, they rip the only form to get games of some people. TERRIBLE MOVE FROM Gabe (the guy that only make Half-life series and is not making anything good in this times). I literally will gave up in trades i think.
Edit: Someone just start a change.org or something to remove that s... move from Valve. They will pass from doing great things to make THE WORST MISTAKE....
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I hate to be the Harbinger of Doom, but to those saying "if they remove keys, etc."...
I feel there's enough grounds to assume they actually will. Just think about it, they even stopped counting reviews done for games obtained via key. And when that day comes, goodbye Steam for good as far as I'm concerned.
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They are already doing that . They recently rolled keyless review copies of games. Devs simply flag an account instead of handing over a key. Expanding this to the regular is next logical step.
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Edit: I see I'm on your blackist, we don't need to talk.
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Yes, if that happens i will keep my account but i will NEVER buy again another steam game. No way that they destroy the trading. First the gifts, next the keys? and next the ingame items to f.... (sorry for that word lol) everything? what the hell is happening with Gabe?
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I looked at a few news articles regarding this, seems most sites are playing it off as nothing but good news (and not reporting at all on the overwhelmingly negative reaction on Steams own forums). The only site I came across that reporting it from a gifters perspective is here: https://www.vg247.com/2017/05/04/steam-introduces-a-big-limitation-to-the-way-gifting-works/
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This is getting ridiculous but, has anyone figured which is the cheapest
giftable region to get games from some-steam-store to Europe/US?
(gotta play the game until its dead)
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has anyone figured which is the cheapest giftable region to get games from some-steam-store to Europe/US
That would be anywhere that the specific game you want is almost 10% cheaper but not quite. Someone from a particular region might be able to gift you some games but not others, depending on the price difference of each individual game.
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Don't know about the 10% cheaper - haven't read that anywhere ... but it seems to have too many hurdles, forgot for
second that you can't even store it anymore in the inventory > completely useless other than instant use.
- e-mail option gone
- gifting only to people already in your friend list
- accepting gift = using it; no inventory storing
- declining it = gibbe buying price back (oh yeah very useful)
- gifting from one cheap region Norway > Europe ... depends on game to save a little
Guess i won't need steam-gift-games anymore.
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Norway is about 11% cheaper than EU, no can do.
In some cases even US/EU gifting is blocked too and those are two of most expensive regions. (few games have higher Australian price, though)
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in some way this is a relief ... never have to pay attention to steam-store deals
anymore - keys/bundle-gold formerly known as bundle-trash is almost always cheaper
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As if they care for collateral damage (see: SGMA, key reviews for "free keys from devs" (such as Humble Bundle, Kickstarter etc. you know!)
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you can still use gifts
you just should buy gifts after your GA ends and after you added winner to your friendlist
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Are rumors about "Steam will remove Trading Cards" true? LOL this is ridiculous!
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Welp, for once an update which does influence me in an unpleasant way -_- . I normally prefer to do my giveaways here with a gift mainly for the reason that I feel safer seeing the gift in my inventory (not having to doubt if the key works) and disappearing after gifting so that I don't have to make notes like for keys. Also there are several games I gave away which are only available on Steam like Why am I dead at Sea .
If this was really an update to fight resellers there could have been other options like:
- limiting the amounts of same game copies or games at all one can store in the inventory
- giving gifts an expiration date. That would actually be fun to see if resellers have to throw away gifts for pennies because they expire ^^
- etc.
And if this is really a result because of greedy resellers .....then well done. Just because some people can't get enough others have to bear the consequences. Well, I think I can adjust to this although there are some games I won't giveaway anymore.
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Now is the time to convince GOG to show owned/purchased games on public profiles so we at least have a starting point for "goggifts.com" before Valve makes further moves against keys.
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they wont do that - they dont want to touch trading.
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I hear it already happens in their forums, with rampant scamming
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As I said - they wont support it. They know they are powerless to prevent it, so the forum thread is "tolerated" - but with a warning that you're pretty much on your own, and to be sensible - of course, people usually aren't when it comes to trading (or buying keys from 3rd parties like the grey market).
On the other hand, anybody found selling games on there (especially gog ones), usually ends up with a permaban or deletion at least - so there is that much.
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What they think about trading is irrelevant. GOG keys already exist and can be traded.
I'm talking about gifting though. Nothing to do with trading.
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fair enough, but my point stands (even though i forgot to add gifting into the post). While they DO officially support gifting, they do not officially support giveaways - I know this personally as other members here can attest,
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If they are against giveaways so be it. I have little experience with GOG so I haven't seen anything about that before. Can you link me to any official statements?
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Forums are full of them, but I'm not going to trawl through every saved thread I have on there (theres 100s at least on my community tab).
They arent against giveaways, they dont support them - major difference. They probably also wouldnt allow an Sg-like site - such as you hint at in your initial post I replied to. They wont ever any form of third party sign in like steam does (as is used here) for a start. There are of course a slew of other reasons -and you can search for them. Tell the blues the forum chimp says hello!
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Steam has been around for so many years....
And they are still noobs....
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Remove useful features for the lowest-common-denominator.
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And what exactly does this have anything to do with this topic?
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...not an act of kindness - as if any buisness move is ever.
Thank you. I always love it when people understand how Capitalism works. People attributing morality to corporations is so naive.
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Only after being threatened to be cut off the EU market if they don't... so... the point is?
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https://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791457287600/announcements/detail/1301948399254001159
You can now only buy something directly for another steam user and if they decline, your money gets refunded.
"Steam Gifting will now be a system of direct exchange from gift buyer to gift receiver, and we will be retiring the Gift to E-mail and Gift to Inventory options."
"Note: Pre-existing gifts will be unaffected by this change."
here's a change.org petition created by another user in the thread,
https://www.change.org/p/valve-corporation-valve-please-bring-back-previous-gift-system-on-steam
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