When does the RIOT starts? I have 1000 Degrees knife prepared.
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We can get Bollywood to hook us up with guns.
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I do too, but all I know is that it's an Indian movie.
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Through the magic of TinEye, I found it! It's Enthiran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yBnl_krN_U
And, amusingly enough, it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to be in the sequel.
http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-confirmed-arnie-meets-rajini-rajinikanth-to-act-with-arnold-schwarzenegger-in-enthiran-2-2135537
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TinEye works on GIFs?
I normally use it for ITHs and still images, but never knew it worked for GIFs.
I'm not sure if I should be happy for Arnold or feel bad for him.
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It does indeed! Quite helpful.
Yeeeeaaaah. Someone mentioned the series is the Indian equivalent of Terminator, so I guess it makes sense at least?
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This movie is 3 hours long you will die watching it
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Wow. That's pretty stupid, and I feel like they're not disclosing their actual reason(s) (which have been mentioned in the thread, but I mean even reading the announcement it sounds kinda shady)
Go ahead and buy a gift months in advance and have it delivered to a friend on time, every time.
Yeah, I scheduled a few gifts once for about an hour later, and 3 hours later they still hadn't been delivered, so I cancelled them all and sent them manually. Not gonna schedule anything when I don't even know what happens to the gifts/my money if that happens again.
Their second point is also stupid, you can just refund it if it gets declined. Maybe I didn't want an automatic refund? Maybe I have more than one friend who'd be happy about that gift? Now I have to buy it all over again XD
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When has Valve change anything in favour of their customers?
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When they introduced refunds. I mean they had to do it anyway unless they wanted to be on EU's shitlist, but still. :v
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trading cards, steam trading, cheaper regional prices, multi platform support, easy refund policy... I guess they did.
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Be it so, pointing out Valve is all about evil doesn't seem right. They've done many good things in favor of their customers. Heck, even other Digital Distributors have been forced to be like Steam because they need to be.
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What good things did they do that they weren't FORCED to do (like refunds)? Gets rather short list, can't imagine anything myself.
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Regional pricing springs to my mind instantly, and they've done it better than ANY other DDs out there.
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Most regionsplits where put up without even bothering adding a regional price as well, sometimes even locking people out of being able to purchase.
Also, definitely for their own benefit, not a community benefit.
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Trading cards generate ton of money for them daily.
Steam trading... Well basically what they are removing now. csgo, dota 2... would have never been what they are now without it.
Cheaper regional prices... It doesn't affect me at all (indeed prices are for some reason more expensive in Europe, you know, 1$=1€ for publishers). They wouldn't sell shit if not, as salaries in USA can't be compared to salaries in Brazil, for example.
Multi platform support... to reach more people, bigger target, more money.
Easy refund policy... Refunds have been forced by European Union, as they are a right for their customers. They just extended it to the rest of users to not cause a discrimination to the rest of their customers, who would have sued Valve anyway after that.
For each feature there is a profit for them. The gamification in the steam levels make people invest a lot of money in those trading cards, emoticons and backgrounds being sold at the market, groups and chats make people spend more time in Steam...
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I agree, all of the changes they made or the features they added, were for their own benefit. Still it doesn't change the fact some of them were also favorable to the customers as well.
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Well, yes, they had to create the necessity, they needed to gain market. They were a revolution in how videogame business was intended. But once they reached the dominant position, they can do what they want.
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Well, they could at least not change things ... I feel like they overcorrect a lot, only thinking of how to deal with scammers etc. and then later coming up with stuff to make their mess sound good to everyone else. Do you think they even realize many of their users are actual people? (and I might kind of be okay with the scheduling thing, at least for birthdays etc., but like I said, I tried it and it didn't work, I'm not using it again if I can't be sure it'll work)
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Especially you buy the gift at a discount which refund automatically. You cannot get the same discount for gift it to another friend.
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i read that some said that dont want to buy games from the steam store to not give them a cut of the game sell, and now get the games from sites like humble, bundle stars etc,
if those games are in the form of keys that only work with steam, isnt steam charging something to the devs after keys activation? i think storing the game files, and the bandwitdh for downloads and other game services is not free
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I have been curious about this too, perhaps a developer that is also a SG user may be able to answer. There may not be a per key fee but some other pricing model.
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I don't know exactly, but a friend has a game on steam and he can generate huge amounts of keys for no costs.
Steam gets 30% of all sales that happens in Steam.
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Steam will/should get less of that money. If a game's on sale on both Steam and Humble for the same price and I buy from Humble, Humble gets to keep some percentage of my money, + some of it goes to charity. This is the money that would otherwise go to Steam. (and some games are actually cheaper on Humble even without any sales or subscriber discounts)
At least that's my thinking, those retailers must make some profit while offering games at the same price.
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Last time I looked into it steam gets a cut from steam store sales and in app purchases. Developers/publishers get as many keys as they want at no cost. In other words steam acts as humbles distribution service for free.
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They do this to generate a hostage situation. So people get their games, need Steam, then Steam can sell them their product, it's basically reeling people in, keeping people in, and hoping they sell stuff in the process of doing so.
Pretty basic marketing. Loose a bit, gain a lot more hopefully from the customers you get.
Until they change this of course, which will very likely happen seeing all recent changes.
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So, does this mean they will no longer have those "Buy a pack of 4" for a discounted price? :( I always bought those for me and my friends.this stinks!
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SteamGifts is dead. SteamGifts remains dead. And we have killed it. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
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SG won't die, you'll just see a hell of a lot more region locked giveaways.
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you'll just see a hell of a lot more region locked giveaways
why? I think esp those wil curb heavily outside sale time due to the new restrictions.
Region-free (bundle) keys however not..
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You'll see just bundles and ROW.
As it always has been anyway (then again European so no region-lock for me, maybe it's a common sight in other countries).
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That's really stupid. They should replace keys with gifts or give you gift copies for keys of games you already have not remove gifts!
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At least, we did our trade before that happen.
But this still just sucks. Right before the sale
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They tend to do that (SGMA hit before X-mas sale).
Guess it's implementing something stupid, and then polling if people swallow their shit or not. And if they do, ADD some more! (3 days > 15 days on SGMA)
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Dear Valve,
Games purchases will now be made through third-party resellers or DRM-free platforms, and we will be retiring from spending anymore money on the Steam store.
Note: Past sales unfortunately cannot be affected by this change.
Regards,
Me
Seriously though. Not ever spending actual money on Steam again. I'm sitting on $30 wallet because the sales are shit, and now this? Yeah. Sure Valve, have fun sucking the souls out of poor fuckers, but I'm not gonna be part of your bullshit marketing decisions.
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O:
that post just made me realize the positive side to all of this: I have no need to sell cards anymore + make profitz™ like that on Steam, which means I can delete all the shit games I activated just for cards when that was important to me (I've been deleting stuff slowly over the last few days, but often skipped games with cards in case it'd make me miss booster drops, but now I actually care a whole lot less about that)
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I don't see why this makes any difference. You can still sell cards and buy games for yourself and for others. You just can't store gifts in the inventory.
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Well, I'll buy a lot more on Humble now. Sure, I'll still sell cards to buy something every now and then, but I won't obsess over it anymore, very few of the games I'd want are only available on Steam. I've spent a lot more on gifts than on myself on Steam in the past, and usually I bought things on sale for later events. That's not possible anymore, so I'm pretty sure they'll get less money from me (not that that makes a dent in their profits, but still, I now feel like I can delete some games from my library without feeling like I'm missing out on potential profit)
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Just checked, seems you can still email an existing gift, but they've already made it so you can't buy gifts for your inventory anymore.
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"Note: Pre-existing gifts will be unaffected by this change."
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The only real reason I can see for this change is the support headache caused by idiots accepting trades for games that they can't activate and then complaining. I'm torn since I'm not a trader but can understand why they would be upset by this. For me while it creates hassle it makes me feel more comfortable doing unbundled giveaways. Been a while since I did giveaways since I'm lazy. Got 5 months of bundle trash and monthly leftovers to put up and wanted to add a few unbundled when I did, but I was always hesitant since there was no way to force the reciever to activate. This system at least lets me do so and their only option will be activate or decline.
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And if they decline? You're requesting a re-roll. Now unfortunately the ticket isn't worked on right away* and it takes a further day. Then the re-roll is granted, but: the game isn't on sale anymore. Congrats! ^^
*This is only hypothetical, support team! You're the fastest! ;-)
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LOL, hadn't even considered that actually since why would they decline it. Guess I'd just screenshot the refund/gift reciept and ask support for a delete in that instance.
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They might not have a chance in the decline since the change also makes it so you can't gift to another region with more than a 10% price difference
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Region-restriction. Apparently if the price is altered by more than 10% between gifter and giver it's end of story. Have fun re-rolling till you get something that accepts, within sale-time limit.
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Well, there can still be tickets where a weekend sale can fly past before it is resolved.
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I'm so glad Steam protects us from generous gifters as you!
[/sarcasm]
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If they decline it's immediate refund, giveaway over. So...
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Wait so no more region-locks? seems like I can buy gifts to anyone in my friend list (I'm from Chile, so my games should be region-locked)
edit: nvm I just clicked the link and saw it. I don't care about trading so this doesn't affect me, but the cross-coutry gifting is pretty good in my opinion.
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Only if they pay less than you. There is a cut off of %10 that stops you from gifting to more expensive regions.
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Can have this something to do with that? http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/290694/Valve_under_investigation_by_EU_Commission_over_geoblocking_concerns.php
Mmm but the article is talking particularly of the keys (like when you buy a bundle in humblebundle and you don't receive keys for a particular game because it is locked for your country?)
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Wow, so I pretty much won't be able to gift games from the steam store anymore. They should also put the warning earlier, if you can't gift to a person they should just grey it out.
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i don't get this line, that mean, i just can't, never, not able to buy a game for my friend if they in more expensive region /
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Correct. They say no more region locks, but now it is regional pricing locks. I'm blocked from gifting to certain regions now because of that. Most games are about 20% more in the US, maybe 30% for Europe. Blocked from gifting there.
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So for example, you can gift a game to a lower price region like RU, by paying the game with your region price, but the other from RU can;t gift you by paying RU price,,,, but also not allow to pay a same price as the your store to gift you that game , Am i get it correct
....... Man what a half ass method
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All correct. They didn't undo locks, they simply made it more restrictive.
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then i make me wonder.... did i in a lower or higher region type ? i mean, i'm get the lock of SEA region, but i pay the price of US ROW price...... so what type of region i am ?
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Because you were paying US prices still, you are as free to gift as any US user.
You can gift to more people than me.
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It gets better: for example, Ukraine is within the CIS region (although it is not a CIS member). A Ukrainian can buy a gift for a Russian since they are actually paying CIS USD prices. But a Russian cannot buy a gift to a Ukrainian, since their store prices are much lower (even though, ironically, their income is higher).
Same goes for Brazil and pretty much any other South American country.
This means that now not just cross-region gifting is disabled, but intra-region cross-country gifting as well. (And trading as well, naturally.)
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I wonder is that based on the region or the actual per games price? Some games have less regional differences in price.
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It can change for each individual product (sometimes the pricing policy of a main game and its DLC may differ) and can be different in each and every country combination. You need to check the price for each game for each country you'd want to gift to.
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yeah but even if you know the precise difference between regional pricing, "large difference" is still not a very specific number to work with and know if it will work or not.. the system is supposed to tell you, but i've seen a few screenshots tossed on the community thread showing it's not actually working as intended.
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shrugs
There is Valve's famous highly precise ways of implementing features for you. The threshold should be 10%, but it may fuck up.
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ahh okay. 10% sounds pretty fair to me i guess, and makes sense for trading purposes. i just hate how they really didn't put too much thought into actual gifters and only considered traders and resellers when implementing this one.
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10% is not fair at all, especially when most of devs still use stupid idea that 1USD=1EUR and 60USD game will cost 60EUR in EU. EU and US are 2 biggest markets user-wise at Steam. Currently difference between EU and US is exactly 10% (1EUR=1.10USD), the smallest fluctiuation means it will be above 10%, so one biggest market (US) will not be able to gift 99% of Steam catalogue AT ALL to 2nd biggest market (EU), because games in EU will be more than 10% more expensive than in US. This is bullshite and far far worse than previous geoblocking, then at least ROW ourchase could be activated by anyone anywhere, now to get the same you would have to live in the single most expensive region for specific game, all other people will be limited.
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i'm absolutely horrible at exchange rates or currency differences or whatever you want to call it. it sounded right in my head, but after seeing actual numbers associated with it, you're right. that is not a good enough margin really. they should just go thru and map out regions and which can gift to which region and all that rather than having the threshold like this.
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Yeah, most ppl miss this little fact that very often price change between US and EU is over 10%. Ppl think only about big differences, extreme cases like russians not being aware that most of them will be affected as well.
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Yep, not gonna be buying anything from the Steam store anymore, and I've spent quite a bit there. We should all email Valve and let them know (respectfully) how we feel about their decision.
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The best way to tell Valve how we feel about their decision is not by words, but by acts (words don't hurt as much as $).
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Why not both, and then they actually have a properly written reasoning why you're not buying? A message about not liking business practises has a little more impact than simply not buying (which could be simply because forgetting account details and such)
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Well I suppose it has also to do with that peace of mind we were talking about yesterday^^
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As someone who has done giveaways, this doesn't really sound like a bad thing to me. And there has been some shady dealings when it comes to trading, so maybe this will stop that, I'm guessing?
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People will start trading Steam key or gift-link, so I don't think it will stop anyway
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Exactly. It's kinda silly to say that you'll stop using a service because it changes something that only effects a selected few. This is a call for adaptation, not rebellion.
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Key-selling sites like Humble typically offer only a fraction of the Steam catalog -- the most popular games and cheap bundle games. And some well known games never make it. The original version of Ori and the Blind Forest was only available on the Steam store. And the Definitive Edition only became available on other sites many months after it's release.
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you are not able to trade gift link. You are not aqble to send gift to email, only to specific steam account you already have on friendlist and only this one specific account can activate the game you gifted. If it does not you will get automatic refund to steam wallet.
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More money for Valve as always. Valve don't do anything unless it means a higher profit.
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So for games that are only available on the Steam store (and there's a ton of them), gifting is now next to impossible unless
a) you're willing to buy the game after the giveaway is over
b) you can convince the winner to add you as a friend
c) the game hasn't vanished from the store in the meantime or had some package adjustment made that leaves the SG entry pointing to something empty
d) the winner accepts the gift in the window of time that Steam allots before auto-canceling it and issuing a refund
e) the winner and gifter aren't from different countries where the price difference makes it impossible to purchase.
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f) you're willing to buy the game in full price after the game's discount is over (cause by accept friend late, reroll or other issue)
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I guess SG should also add a new rule:
- if the winner fails to accept the gift(declines the gift by mistake etc), the giveaway will be deleted like it never happened.
Since there will be an auto refund when he presses decline...
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+1 This could lead to some serious abuse by malicious users.
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Yes, especially important for giveaways during a sale. Would be rather bad if someone declined a gift and then the gifter was required to buy it again at a higher price as a result.
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Steam Gifts will have to adapt and we'll probably have news regarding this in the coming months.
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yeah, on the flip side maybe a devs will see significant drop in number of sales and it encourage more devs to generate keys and start selling off-steam.
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This means less sales for Gaben, more sales for bundle and steam keys sites.
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One of my questions when I started using the site was if I can gift keys - well, after this it seems to be indeed keys D:
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I think this is stupid in the change, while limiting the stockpile has affected many businessmen normal game gift. Why do I have to buy things for the first time to send him out, SG mode of operation may be greatly affected
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Well... i've been kinda avoiding GOG because of having to split stuff across 2 accounts and drm platforms but... yeah... GOG here I come!
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Be sure to keep an eye on GOG Connect: https://www.gog.com/connect
Occasionally they'll allow you to get GOG copies of games you have in your Steam account, for a limited time.
There are also a few games here you can get, if you have the key (which you can extract from Steam copies of the Stalker games, at least): https://www.gog.com/reclaim
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across 2 accounts and drm platforms
Just to be accurate, GOG is not a DRM, it's a site where you download from :)
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This is why I like GOG. DRM free and they go above & beyond as they remove DRM for older games where no source code is available.
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https://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791457287600/announcements/detail/1301948399254001159
You can now only buy something directly for another steam user and if they decline, your money gets refunded.
"Steam Gifting will now be a system of direct exchange from gift buyer to gift receiver, and we will be retiring the Gift to E-mail and Gift to Inventory options."
"Note: Pre-existing gifts will be unaffected by this change."
here's a change.org petition created by another user in the thread,
https://www.change.org/p/valve-corporation-valve-please-bring-back-previous-gift-system-on-steam
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