how dare you call me people. by reading this you agree to give me $1
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I would feel a "not received" like a stain on a piece of clothing that i couldn't remove.
It would just be a problem in my mind but i would just feel it like a punishment.
If one day it happens i would just stop giving because i would be too shameful and sad.
But i try to buy my rare gifts legit so that it doesn't happen.
And obviously i would never deny someone to erase their gift in case of a problem.
edit : Well, yes i guess draconiano is right, it's probably a sort of OCD. I mean i would feel the same about an eternal "awaiting feedback".......
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You should be punished if you make a giveaway and be incapable of delivering it. That is really my stance.
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I once made a giveaway with a key which was revealed the very minute that I made the giveaway, sent the key as per usual, the winner activated the key and then marked it NR.... They never responded to my comments & email despite being online even today.
Much Sadness. 😧
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Then you wish for your luck that they are idiot. And the game surprisingly appeared one of their friends game list...
And then that person gets banned...
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Are you not aware that you can make a support ticket and ask for it to be marked received if the winner has activated the game on his account?
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I'm not challenging the rules.
If my key is wrong one day i'll try my best to replace the game, provide a new one or contact for exemple Fanatical support to get a new one.
But if it's impossible and it's not received, or if the winner just for fun or i don't know why set it randomly not received, then i'll just leave because then i would just be too shameful and sad with that and i would be free to just leave obviously.
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I would ask that if it ever happens that you don't stop giving. Some people are jerks (see my comment above).
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I know that if it happened, i just couldn't sleep for two weeks, and focus on that and not be able to move on, which is why i would have to leave completely in that case.
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I think deleting a giveaway still makes you lose a slot. At least it is when giveaway hasn't ended.
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As i said for some reason being 90% are free keys and gifter isn't sure they will work or not, that is the problem.
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gifter isn't sure they will work or not, that is the problem.
Why is that a problem? "Not received" does nothing bad. So far I got only one reason: OCD. But it's scary to think that so many people here on SG have OCD then. Does it much more common than I thought? Or maybe it's just SG is the place where a lot of people with OCD are gathered for some reason?
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I'm a bit curious why you've decided that yet another thread is necessary when there's a current active one. Frankly, the only valid reason I can think of is blacklist farming.
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Because it's different? I'm not asking "if it's allowed to delete a giveaway, and should it be?".
I'm asking entirely different question "WHY do you want to delete a giveaway?".
Those are connected, yes. But it's not the same.
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Because they don't want the "not received" mark on their profile?
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WHY?!
What's wrong with this mark? Other than some kind of OCD mentioned above?
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It's a negative mark. Maybe it will mean being bl'ed or excluded from some groups?
Who knows?
But guess what? As long as support doesn't mind them they can carry on doing it. And if it causes tickets etc., well, guess it must be no problem.
As to the drama about it, why does it irk you so much?
Edit: Just read your below reply. I don't think it makes a difference to tickets. I've had ones still open after a year while others were dealt with relatively fast.
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But fake giveaways deserve to receive that mark. It removes protection that people could have.
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I agree, but there's a difference between a fake giveaway and a mistake.
If it was a giveaway for some high profile title like DOOM Eternal or Cyberpunk 2077 or similar that lasts a month and at the end the person's like, "Oh, I don't actually have a key for this..." that's a fake giveaway.
But sometimes you legitimately make a mistake. You have a key that you think is valid, and only when the giveaway ends do you discover that it's not. Sure, you could buy another key, but realistically not everyone has that option.
Now maybe you think the person deserves to be punished for making such a mistake - I don't, as I feel that just discourages people from making giveaways as if they think there's a chance that the key may not be valid, even if it's a small chance, they won't make the giveaway.
I'd never make an intentionally fake giveaway. But I've made mistakes before - I made a giveaway that I thought didn't have any region restrictions only to realize that it did when the winner couldn't redeem it. So if I did make such a mistake and accidentally made a giveaway for a key that wasn't valid, I would tell the winner that I made a mistake and ask them if they'd be kind enough to let me delete the giveaway.
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deletion gives more work to support. And yes, I care about that, I don't like when my tickets are not resolved for a year because someone want to delete their giveaway.
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just wanted to bitch about it cuz you're salty.
Well, I guess you can say so. But don't you think I'm salty for a reason?
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I can imagine a thousand dumb reasons to create a support ticket. Do you really believe that proper solution to get more support so that they could answer every dumb ticket anyone can imagine? That's kinda strange point of view.
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The tickets get not solved because not enough Staff members, not much of them are motivated anymore on top of that and no "change" of that situation in sigh(t?).
So it's a fact that different tickets are open for 6 months till year(s).
That is crap but the "please delete" tickets aren't the reason for that.
And if that tickets make too much work then cg should build in a button for "ticket delete" that the gifter AND the winner must click to delete it without the support involved
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My question is not about support. It's not about tickets. It's even not about if giveaway deletion should be allowed, forbidden, or automated. My question is WHY you need to delete a giveaway if the key is wrong, if there is already a proper way to handle this situation, and it's much easier for everyone?
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But you are salty because your tickets get not resolved [I understand that very well because different important tickets lay "forever"].
And to your question, very easy:
Because you can be punished for not sending a Win as soon as the support thinks you done the Ga for trolling OR never wanted to send a Key.
So it is every time a risk to get a "not recieved" mark.
Besides that it is, at least for me, a bad mark and my 2 collected ones puke me on.
Nr. 1 Don't wanted to test more keys -the first 3 or 4? weren't ok (he needed always days till he tested the next one and i answered him always in seconds or a few minutes)-.
Nr. 2 Got a dupe key at my cakeday. Surely i don't made with "unsure" keys GA's for that milestone. In the end i wasn't able to get, fast, a replacement for that game to a low price and not willing to pay a lot, told him that, no answer on any contact try. After 7 days he gave me the not recieved mark. I can say you that was a nice cake day "reward/present" sarcasm.
Sure both had the right to do that but did i think it was a nice or good behavior ? Not really. And both don't win something from me in the future.
Did i say "don't think about the 2 marks", nope.. it annoying me each time when i open my stats.
I am very sleepy, so maybe is my english far from my normal level but it is how it is.
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But you are salty because your tickets get not resolved [I understand that very well because different important tickets lay "forever"]
I'm salty because people do illogical things. My tickets not being resolved in a timely manner is only a consequence of that.
Because you can be punished for not sending a Win as soon as the support thinks you done the Ga for trolling OR never wanted to send a Key.
I doubt support will ban you for "not received", unless winner report you. They don't have time to react to all tickets, they surely not just browse user profiles looking for someone to ban. And if someone report you - they would need to have a proof that is was trolling or something... If winner is honest - you won't be banned, because there is no reason to. If winner is lying and just has ill will towards you - well, then they won't allow you to delete giveaway, right? So, in the end, there is no chance you will be suspended for "not activated in your profile".
I am very sleepy, so maybe is my english far from my normal level but it is how it is.
Well, my english is quite bad, so I won't notice anyway even if there is something wrong with yours)
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I wrote PUNISHED not banned.
I don't know how hard the suspension would be but the risk to recieve one as a honest user is anyway a bad thing.
And i don't know which proof they need for the fact to know it was trolling or you aren't willing to send the key from the begin.
All that i got, in the past, as answers from the support were very vague in the direction of ""If someone have a bunch of "not recieved" marks it is possible that he gets punished"". Not clear at which point/case they look closer.
[At the moment i would call steamgifts WILDWEST because tickets to HARASSMENTS aren't solve since 6 mon.+ too -besides all OTHER user reports-. So in the end you can do whatever you want as long as you don't start a thread, make there trouble and get the focus of the staff members.]
"not activated in your profile"
That isn't good written because others can understand it as "not activated a WON KEY..."
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Who told you this? You can get banned if you intentionally not delivered the game. You can get banned if you provided fake key, or a key for a wrong game. Not a single chance you will get punishment for key not working.
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I'm not entirely sold on the narrative that support aren't getting to 'real' tickets through all of the request giveaway deletion tickets - its just that depending on the type only certain levels of support can whey in on the tickets.
Other than that - I would agree overall.
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Mention deleting giveaways, blacklisting or whatever is like it here and you always summon up a salt storm.
Honestly as the winner I'd rather have the giveaway deleted if I don't receive the game. I have one "not received" win which is entirely because the creator didn't contact me and deleted their account after the giveaway ended, and it feels annoying to have a game that I don't even own in my wins list.
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The real question here is: Why people get so salty if you create another topic for the same subject? Really, i dont get it.
I would understand if this was a shitpost or something like this.
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I reckon we'll need another topic to answer that question.
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It's even more funny when you consider that people will call out necro on thread being replied after a few months too...
So it's lose lose really. Can't make new threads, can't use old ones, can't even keep those bumped up to avoid necros...
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Because 2 threads is kind of lame, it has to be either 1 or 3+.
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While I personally don't hand out keys for which I'm unsure whether they're still valid or not for whatever reason I know I wouldn't want my profile to be tainted with "not received (sent)" so I assume that's the reason people ask for deletion in case their keys don't work. I think it's a valid concern, albeit if someone is unsure whether their key is valid or not they should just not make a giveaway with it instead of asking winner(s) to let them delete the giveaway.
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You can't be sure about keys from normal purchases too.
Too many revoked keys (it give a own sg thread to that) to name only one reason.
Other thing are keys that you get from friends. In 99,9% the keys i get from friends are ok but i had one time, in two years, that a key was not ok.
Other thing are keys from Lootboy that aren't ok or for a different game. Normaly their keys work......
Other thing are sites that give freebies. Sure a part are clearly unsure but a few are normaly save sources for keys that are ok.
But sometimes they give out keys that aren't ok.
And in no case you can check by yourself if a key is ok or not.
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I think entire remove giveaway feature should be removed for resolved giveaways. If you can't deliver the game, it's your own fault. And you fully deserve the black mark.
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First of all, we should stop calling it a "black mark". There is nothing bad about it.
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Please first tell me how on Earth is 1 ticket to delete 100 winner giveaway any more work than asking for couple thousand slots more? To me writing the ticket seems to quite the same amount of work and I'd imagine support has to do a similar amount of clicks to handle it too.
Maybe you should try being in such a situation first by actually doing giveaways before telling us that 100s or 1000s of red marks are perfectly fine to have? Or please explain the logic that makes you imagine that fake giveaways are perfectly OK?
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To me writing the ticket seems to quite the same amount of work
So you are trying to tell me that writing a ticket is the same work as contacting 100 people and asking them to agree to delete giveaway and then writing a ticket is the same work? For me it seems as 1 to 101.
100s or 1000s of red marks are perfectly fine to have?
Yes, it's fine. Did you ever seen anyone being blamed for having those "red marks"? Nobody cares. Nobody even checks it. And yes, insulting me is not the best way to prove your point - I've made 50x and 100x giveaways too.
Or please explain the logic that makes you imagine that fake giveaways are perfectly OK?
If someone makes fake giveaway - they should be reported, and then suspended. That's how it works. "Red marks" are not punishment, it's just a technical information.
Maybe you should try being in such a situation first by actually doing giveaways
Wait, I've made giveaways and haven't been in such situation... Maybe you just should stop giving away games from shady sources, and start to make giveaways with something good instead?
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No, I said writing and handling the ticket for both are the same amount of work.
How did I insult you exactly? So how many 100s of dupe keys have you made tickets for or just taken the red mark? I can't see any. Oh none, that sure does make you an expert on the subject.
So staff should look at a crystal ball to see if it was intentional to provide dupe keys as a joke or just an accident? Or what's the difference between those two to the winners?
Maybe you should still actually be in the situation first before making spam threads recommending the creation of as many fake giveaways as you want because staff will just give you more slots if you run out? Or in fact just stop recommending doing that at all.
So now insulting me is the best way to prove your point? Fun hypocrisy when I insulted you by stating the fact that you have given less games total than me in a single train, but you didn't insult me at all by implying that I haven't given anything good. Maybe you really should start making giveaways to get to at least a decent level before talking? :P
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ecommending the creation of as many fake giveaways as you want because staff will just give you more slots if you run out?
So you believe it's much better to make as many fake giveaways as you want because staff will just delete those giveaways for you? Maybe you should just stop making fake giveaways instead?
So now insulting me is the best way to prove your point?
You used it first, so I thought you like it this way. You don't? Why then you started it? Or you are trying to tell me that "Maybe you should try being in such a situation first by actually doing giveaway" is not an insult? Think again.
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Where did I say anything like that? You're the one that believes making fake giveaways is a good idea, not me. Deleting them requires staff interaction while just giving dupe keys does not and this is why you're recommending that so they won't catch up to you and disable for a while for it.
I stated facts, you made things up. So now I insulted you by saying that you haven't made fake/deleted mass giveaways? Are they really so dear to you that you get insulted by even that? Yeah clearly one of us needs to do more thinking. It's quite common to have a requirement of actual experience about something before taking opinions about it seriously. It's easy to talk, but harder to do when it actually happens.
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You're the one that believes making fake giveaways is a good idea, not me.
You are the only one talking about fake giveaways here. Don't try to attribute your issues to me.
It's quite common to have a requirement of actual experience about something before taking opinions about it seriously.
So, you are talking about fake giveaways because you made those? That's some nice coming out...
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Why bother if you can just say to winner "sorry, shit happens. mark it as not received". BOOM! Problem solved.
They aren't my issues. You're still the only one here recommending just making giveaways with no keys and then just taking the red mark because it means nothing to you. I'm the one recommending taking responsibility for your giveaways and only asking staff to delete them in extreme cases.
No, fake giveaways seem to be your expertise since you're still the only one recommending making them. I already gave you an example of my determination to handle deleted giveaways. You have shown nothing but inability to read and triggering about imagined insults thus far.
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Ryzhehvost , my friend, you will soon be 50 years old, maybe it's time to worry less about the giveaway ? life is fleeting, we are not getting younger, I wish you all the best...
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yup, I stopped giving a F....enec since some 'bad roots' took this site hostage
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You are neither old nor my friend. Go do your trolling elsewhere.
Why the hell ESGST filter stop working, I need to check my settings...
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You still lose a giveaway slot when a giveaway is deleted. I don't think that would have anything to do with wanting to delete a giveaway anyway. If you are losing all your giveaway slots from not received or deleted giveaways, you are doing something seriously wrong and you probably don't deserve to have the slots. That is why the site was designed that way, to stop people from creating more giveaways unless they can give support a good reason as to why they lost them and learn how the site works.
The real reason is just because users don't want their account tarnished with not received feedback because it makes them look bad.
People should not be creating giveaways if they are unsure if the key is good. Getting a bad key is very annoying because it kicks the winner out of all other giveaway they were entered in for that same game and you have to find those giveaways again to be able to enter. You may have spent hours solving a puzzle or going through hundreds of giveaways in a community event just to get kicked out of that invite only GA with great odds because of some random public giveaway that you won that had a bad key and now you can't find the other giveaways you were previously entered in because you won't remember how many other times you were entered or where they came from. Also, you cannot enter any giveaways for that same game until the situation is resolved because SG thinks you previously won the game. You have to wait for it to be deleted or until you can mark it not received, but I think SG forces you to wait 7 days to do that. That means you can be locked out of entering other giveaways for a while even if there is a WL giveaway ending soon with only a few entries.
I don't have a problem with bad keys that are honest mistakes, but I don't think people should purposely be creating giveaways for keys that might not be good just because it is easy to delete the giveaway.
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The real reason is just because users don't want their account tarnished with not received feedback because it makes them look bad.
Do you really at least once checked someone if they have some giveaways marked as not received? Did anyone does that? Why the hell it look bad if nobody seems to care about it?
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They just BL you silently and you're none the wiser if it had any effect or not.
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I hadn't thought about the aspect of being kicked out of every giveaway after winning a game, and I agree that would be annoying if the key ended up not working. Still, my position is the same in that the giveaway creator is doing a favor by creating giveaways, and if there is a small inconvenience to the winner due to an honest mistake the polite thing is to accept and delete the giveaway.
I have given away a fair amount of keys that I wasn't positive that they worked, and I put a similar disclaimer nicely requesting them to delete the giveaway if they didn't. The vast majority of the keys did work, and the few that didn't were removed with little trouble. Most of the time the ticket is resolved and the GA is deleted within a day or two, not really a big deal. Similarly, the few games that I've won where the key didn't work I immediately agreed to remove the giveaway, because it's an honest mistake and I still appreciate the creator for the good intentions.
I know some people say you should just giveaway keys you're unsure of in the key drop thread, but then there's a good chance that they're just going to be ninja'd or go to a trader / reseller. If the possibility of a key not working bothers you that much, then don't enter giveaways that warn about that in the description.
That's my take anyways, but I can appreciate your perspective here also.
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Damn, what else did I expected from this toxic community. Fuck this.
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