Which Steam Deck should I get?
I think if it's too heavy for 64gb I would just run it on my PC anyway. Pathfinder: Kingmaker is 37GB but feels like it would be a good fine and would probably run fine, but it would be the only game I could fit on it lol.
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Not sure you could actually find a laptop for that price that can run games in a satisfying manner. What do you get in that price range? A Ryzen 4500U at best, maybe? I doubt that one can compete performance-wise. Also, a laptop is just a different kind of device. If someone is looking for a handheld, a laptop isn't really a substitute for that. Unless I'm forgetting something, a handheld can only be either a Switch, a phone with controller (like I am using with my Backbone One) or something like this (and then we're in a whole different price region):
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Well, you're kind of right. The cheapest I see is 699€ here. Not far off. Still, I don't really see them as competing devices. Handhelds and laptops are very different, even though both are portable.
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I think people are overlooking the glass screen you get with the $649 model. Sucks that it's exclusive to the highest tier. I would guess the other tiers get plastic screens. It may not matter a whole lot to some people if they put a tempered glass screen protector on it, but in the age where pretty much all phones these days get glass screens, it's a bummer to still see gaming handhelds with plastic screens
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I read that but it doesn't mention all models having a glass screen. I'm gonna reserve the $649 model for storage space but I'd be surprised if the others have glass. I feel like it's something Valve would've cheaped out on to keep the price lower
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i would wait as i am to see reviews and how it goes and to see if it get's a sale discount at all - but i want the best version no point other wise
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The best is not always the most expensive though. Hence the need to wait for reviews imo. Ofc they play the FOMO card with the preorder thing (hell, if Valve of all businesses doesn't know how to do that, I don't know who does!) but it's always good to wait until benchmarks and independent reviews (not just the mouthpieces at Polygon, IGN and other press releases reprinters) to get a clear idea of what you get for your money with new devices
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It's pretty obvious that the 64 GB version exists solely to make the 256 gb version look better in comparison. 130€ more for only a 256GB SSD, fuck them. I can get a 1 TB SSD for that price
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All of them!
On serious note - I would not buy cheapest one with eMMC, other two are equally good
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Steamed potato, reasons:
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Yes, I'm thinking the middle one is probably the best deal myself. I'm passing on all of them. It's just not anything I really need.
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Voted don't buy at all :
Look at the screen specs (7" with 1280 x 800px) and compare with smartphones before buying... the lack of a decent HD screen make me think this Steam Deck is technology from the previous decade...(even smartphones around 150€ - 200€ can have a very decent HD screen)
But of course your mom can't call you on your Steam Deck while playing : depending on your mom, it may be worth it :-P
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Please go to steamdeck.com and read what they say :
Powerful
SteamDeck runs the latest AAA games – and runs them really well
Versatile
You can connect to peripherals, throw the picture onto a big screen, and do all the other PC things you'd expect.
So, to use their words, you'd expect to throw a 720p display on a big screen and expect it to look really well ?
And yes, I know it's hard to fit a powerful enough x86 PC in a portable console...
That's probably why both smartphone manufacturers and laptops manufacturers are not trying to do it 😜
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Yeah, making a portable PC with x86 architecture is hard. They had to go the APU way and so they did. I don't think the games on that screen will look bad but I bet I can see the pixels with my glasses off because of the PPI (myopes can do that).
There was a guy who made a portable PC with a controller like Switch, at least a year ago (probably older). Though I cannot find the video or the article now. He was successfully run Steam for Linux on it and played some games. It was heavy for a portable console but was fun to watch. Maybe they inspired by him, unless that guy already works at Valve. :)
I think APUs are good enough to run games but I still wonder how will it look with games like RDR2 or CP2077. Saying it runs the latest AAA games is a pompous thing I guess. Probably the down part will be, when it connects to big screen, AAA games will suffer if not set to 720p manually. Most indie games will be okay on 1080p though.
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1080p screen would still be vastly better even if specs are not really there because then you could watch movies, run simpler games in full HD, and use cheap upscaling tricks to make even more demanding games much better. Upscaling algorithms are getting so good these days making use of them (and/or futureproofing the device if Valve didn't finish that feature yet) is really a no brainer. Their decision to milk the clients with really expensive storage and cheap screen gives me no confidence at all. It has same screen as Switch, 5 year old console by now (and worse one than cheaper Switch OLED model to boot). You'd really think they could offer something comparable with several years old cell phone in 2021.
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Indeed they could've gone with up-scaling way and it would be much better especially for people who loves tinkering. Though I believe it won't make much difference for gaming part, for a screen like that small.
I agree with the storage options, 64 GB one is no good unless you will go full indie, and still looks underwhelming. There are AAA games that much more than 64 GB.
They're not competing with anyone since this will be unique device on the market, but yes, one could expect better specs in 2021.
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They are competing with the existing handheld PCs already on the market, and also kind of competing with the Switch
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This one is different comparing to Switch (mostly because it's not a console) but yes, if we compare it with handheld PCs. And comparing them, Valve has the upper hand for the price, yet still feels kinda expensive though.
Edit: Btw for competing I meant for gaming industry, not from a hardware point.
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True, people were wanting an HD screen for the switch and that didn’t even happen, so this is comparable resolution to that four years old hardware (which doesn’t look bad to me, but still actual HD would be so nice)…
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mid-tier option, most def. that's what i'm going for, since the microsd slot exists any storage issues are immediately solved.
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Seems the most logical choice, good luck and I hope this thing is cool!!! :)
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I would personally wait, mostly to see reviews and feel it in my own hands before buying. I think the middle one is the best value if you are certain that you want it, but it is also not a huge jump to the top one from there. It could flop, be too bulky, have docks/peripherals be incompatible, and just all around not worth it, but it really is hard to tell
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I agree waiting is safe, but going with the cheapest option is the lowest risk in that case. The middle and top tiers are definitely higher quality, but the lowest one is a significant price reduction.
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It is worth noting that eMMC will run substantially slower. Adding additional games via SD card might not fully solve this issue as it might just cause even more issues and lag. I think the low tier is fine if you need to do it to save money, but if you are already spending that much, going up by one tier is reasonable.
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I’ll have to manage my storage on the device carefully, or invest in the SD which hopefully will run games quick enough since that tech has been around for awhile. I wouldn’t play AAA games on the Deck, no matter what model it is.
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Not to mention the numbers mentioned are total storage, not usable storage. I don't know how much storage SteamOS need to run, but if it's anything like Android, it's going to make 55gb tough, especially if you have other apps running for whatever reason.
And yeah the micro SD reader is a nice add but unless it's possible to split the install of a game, which is highly unlikely, that means bigger games will have to be run from the SD directly. Now I know nothing about SD card reading speed but that's gotta be tough on AAA games smooth running...
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For me a handheld is never a replacement for a pc with keyboard and mouse - never ever.
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you can use a power bank or in many trains / busses and so on you can even charge your device for free. so this might not be that big issue
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Okay, didn't know that about trains and busses (last time i been in a train must have been 10-15 years ago).
I tended to avoid it but maybe i eventually got no choice (my dad used to drive me to places), and with the upcoming EU anti pollution rules they fear here that driving a car would become too expensive for the average person.
Unfamiliar with power banks too, never thought about that, i guess these days there is always a solution for something (sortof).
Thanks.
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I wonder how portable it is, though. Nintendo Switch weighs less than 300 grams. This nearly 700. I'd really try playing it for 10 minutes before buying because it sounds a bit too heavy to comfortably play it for long outdoors without being propped on something.
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Like those people trying to play point and click adventure games on a mobile, same with strategy.
It works for platformers though, and other stuff. Although i just now see they put the controller sticks all the way to the top instead of center, dunno if it gets in the way of playing.
If only it had an usb port (without the need for a hub) where you could just hook up a mouse straight to it.
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If it was only capacity, but it is also slower which is double disappointment. I like the device all things considered but I don't think that this was right decision, Valve is certainly the one who can take (bigger) loss on selling the hardware. It can also bring bigger profits because people will maybe opt to buy games from Steam instead of Switch since Deck is more powerful and games can be found cheaper.
At least Gabe revealed that you can replace SSD inside, it is not soldered which I was expecting. Negative is that it's 2230 m.2 which is much smaller and more expensive than standard 2280. But still it's upgradeable, prices will go down in the future, device will not go obsolete in terms of free space in a couple of years.
EDIT: They updated storage specification officially but added "not intended for end-user replacement", so there's that... :(
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I just wanna know what this is lol "Exclusive Steam Community profile bundle" I like exclusive and making my profile look nice.
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Not to mention the top model has an “exclusive carrying case” like what does that even mean??? Some details on these exclusives would be nice…
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I really don't understand why there's a carrying case and an exclusive carrying case, what makes the second one exclusive. Just a decal? Actual better quality?
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I'd heavily recommend waiting on purchasing, if you're able to. It's competing against the Switch (more, say, than it is with Xbox, despite the difference in game libraries), with a higher price tag and fewer features, and- given that it's Valve- likely significantly worse quality hardware [speaking more to materials and construction than specs]. That already suggests a price decrease won't take too long, even before we consider that Valve is fully aware of gamer consumption culture (ie, impulse buying on new releases).
However, the main reason I'd recommend waiting, is that I recall previous Steam hardwares getting fairly decent discounts fairly early on, as well as getting several bundled promotions. Now, certainly, we mostly recall such offers from when they were frequently made while the Link and Controller were edging the end of their lifespan, but even the very first discount offer for Link+Controller (confirmed via quick Googling) was a notable 30% off.
I personally can't see wanting to gamble on unreleased Valve hardware, given their history of low-quality hardware, and especially given the specs and price tag of what's being offered. However, if you're adamant on purchasing early, then- taking the above elements into consideration- I'd recommend purchasing the lowest tier console. This'll allow you to freely consider purchasing an upgraded console in a few years, after which the hardware may have been improved, models with larger screen sizes and more features may have been released, bugs will have been mostly fixed, promotions will be frequent and more significant, and so forth. Honestly, $400 now and $400 later will likely yield you more than $649 now.
Of course, that's from a purely cost-effective perspective. If you're looking for the best experience right this moment.. and you're for some reason chosing this over (or in addition to) the Switch.. then that alone is enough to justify just going all in. $650 is a lot to burn but, then, so is $400, and you may as well get the most out of your purchase if it's one you'll be putting extensive time into after purchase. All the more so when you're talking HD storage space, which always seems to inevitably run out far faster than our early estimations assumed it would.
There are plenty of games that would work fine on a tablet that still run 4 - 8GB [and that's for Indie games- expect at least 10GB for modern portable-appropriate games; eg, HoMM 7]. While most portable-appropriate games run more in the range of 200MB - 2GB, 64GB total space seems like it'd run out fast as soon as you start installing any games even a bit larger than that range, unless you were very dedicated about only installing a small handful of completable games and focusing on them until completion.
If that's how you approach things then, really, no need for the higher tier options. Even at 8GB as our presumed soft cap, you can still install maybe a dozen games on the 64GB without issue, and you should still be safe to fit in a 20GBish game without too much trouble if it ever becomes necessary. On the other hand, if you like having a variety of gameplay options, or think you might ever want to install a game which is more demanding on storage space..
Well, personally, I'd lean towards the $529 option. 256GB seems like it'd cover you as far as being able to install in a more versatile manner, and it's also enough for the most massive games (albeit perhaps with a bit of space clearing needed prior to a new install). There's not really much reason to go for the tier above that, in my opinion.
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Thank you for this, it definitely helps.
"$400 now and $400 later will likely yield you more than $649 now." exactly!! Waiting is always the best choice, patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait, but I am very familiar with the mental gymnastics I play with myself every steam sale about if a game will go lower, be bundled, if I even still want it.... so I fear that I may never get any of them if I start down that road.
"unless you were very dedicated about only installing a small handful of completable games and focusing on them until completion."
That's probably actually exactly what I'm gonna do. I have a gaming PC as my main station so just having a hand full of indies might do me and for the convenience I think 400$ is fair, IF IT WORKS OK which hopefully it will be able to handle indies since if it can't what's even the point of having that model at all.
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I'd heavily recommend waiting on purchasing, if you're able to. It's competing against the Switch (more, say, than it is with Xbox, despite the difference in game libraries), with a higher price tag and fewer features, and- given that it's Valve- likely significantly worse quality hardware [speaking more to materials and construction than specs]. That already suggests a price decrease won't take too long, even before we consider that Valve is fully aware of gamer consumption culture (ie, impulse buying on new releases).
Let's not forget that even if it is more expensive than switch, you're saving TONS of money on games.
Just consider how much a dozen of switch games cost, vs. a dozen of Steam games you already own, or can get in a bundle or on sale.
However, the main reason I'd recommend waiting, is that I recall previous Steam hardwares getting fairly decent discounts fairly early on, as well as getting several bundled promotions. Now, certainly, we mostly recall such offers from when they were frequently made while the Link and Controller were edging the end of their lifespan, but even the very first discount offer for Link+Controller (confirmed via quick Googling) was a notable 30% off.
Well... Judging by previous Valve HW releases, it's going to be discontinued pretty soon.
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Let's not forget that even if it is more expensive than switch, you're saving TONS of money on games.
That's entirely off-track from the topic I was attempting to cover in that paragraph. I was by no means in any way addressing consumer cost-benefit in that paragraph, but rather Valve's profit margins.
[ Also, you're not saving money on games at all, that's a misassociation.
You're paying the same amount for games and gaining versatility in access. That still only makes it compete with the Xbox, not necessarily the Switch, as far as disassociating gaming costs. Switch is still competing with Deck in the same manner it primarily competes with any platform, through exclusives.
There'll certainly be a niche where there's an overlap, and where that specific individual saves money on games (due to them having a "whatever's available on portable I'll take" mentality, along with a suitably robust Steam library), but otherwise you'll either have {Lacking funds for a second console or determining that the appeal of the Switch's exclusive games doesn't warrant the cost of a second console (meaning you are still facing the same costs for any appealing games if exclusivity is removed, meaning no money is saved), Still having interest in the Switch platform's exclusive characteristics or titles (also meaning no money is saved), or my mind blanked, I'll fill this in when/if I remember it.}.
Regardless of which of those options you consider, you're not actually saving on games at all (as they're either no longer things you'd be interested in regardless of platform, or they're things you'd still be interested in if you could readily access them). Basically, it's like saying you're good on buying apples, because you bought oranges. If you had the means and interest both, then you'd likely still get both. ]
The closest I come to addressing consumer cost-benefit is with "and you're for some reason chosing this over (or in addition to) the Switch", in which I lightly touch upon my own opinion that Nintendo portable consoles have more to offer than a PC console would, given its exclusive titles, if one already has a PC to work with [versus, say, having just a cheap tablet and merely only being able to activate steam keys instead of play them]. That's also why I reference xbox in the paragraph you quoted, as xboxes (of any generation other than the first) are the consoles actually intended as PC competitors.
Well... Judging by previous Valve HW releases, it's going to be discontinued pretty soon.
Has Valve ever not discounted steeply prior to discontinuation, though? Regardless of my disfavorable considerations towards Steam controllers, there's not a single piece of hardware that Valve has released that doesn't have longeveity in use associated with (in the sense that controllers, Link, and Deck can all continue to be used for their intended functions just fine even after discontinuation). So if what you're guessing is accurate, that'd be a major win for those who held off or held off on more expensive models. ^.^
Regardless of which topic above we're continuing off of, at the very least I don't expect it to be able to hold that $100 retail over Switch for an excessive period of time. Nintendo has too much to offer, and the niche of those wanting a Sega Nomad take on their PC doesn't seem strong enough to carry the Deck over the Switch off niche appeal alone.
Obviously, Valve/Steam fans will leap at it, same as fans for quite a few (multiplayer) franchises, but after that initial surge has settled Valve isn't likely to hold to the current retail price for overly long. As I noted above, the foundations are against it, Valve is too saavy about the industry to not understand discount appeal, and Valve has a history of discounting hardware. Even if Valve does discontinue, there's no reason for them not to discount steeply [within profit-earning range] first and make what profit they can.
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Also, you're not saving money on games at all, that's a misassociation.
You're paying the same amount for games and gaining versatility in access. That still only makes it compete with the Xbox, not necessarily the Switch, as far as disassociating gaming costs.
I disagree.
You are clearly paying less whether you already own Steam games (Nintendo games don't switch over, so if you own Nintendo games on Wii, you still need to buy them again on Switch), or buying in bundles/sales. Which I'm not sure if Switch doesn't have at all, or has much less than Steam. In addition to Steam having a much larger library of course.
And if you live anywhere on the globe outside the US, you also get to play the "regional pricing" game, which makes Nintendo products more expensive and less likely to be on sale.
Switch is still competing with PC in the same manner it primarily competes with any platform, through exclusives.
Comparing Switch vs. PC exclusives doesn't bode well for the Switch.
PC has much more games Switch doesn't have, than the other way around.
The only way Switch can sell "for exclusives" is if you already own PC/PS/Xbox, and want to play Nintendo exclusives.
Otherwise you're missing much more than you're gaining.
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I'm goíng to address some points, that I think are not true or right.
You are clearly paying less whether you already own Steam games (Nintendo games don't switch over, so if you own Nintendo games on Wii, you still need to buy them again on Switch), or buying in bundles/sales. Which I'm not sure if Switch doesn't have at all, or has much less than Steam.
You can get some pretty nice deals on the Nintendo eShop (mainly for indie-ish games, not first-party titles).
e.g.:
Metro: Last Light Redux ~2,43€
Dex ~1,67€
Q.U.B.E. 2 ~2,64€
Cook, Serve, Delicious! 2!! ~1,40€
(I tried picking games, which are at least a little bit known, but you can find more deals for less-known indie games. Also, on the eShop, I only buy games which are under ~5€
, so you could find even better sales)
But you have a point, that for sure, they are not as big as the steam sales.
But (another one!) I would also like to mention, that, unlike PC, you can buy physical versions of many Switch games, which you can then resell. By that, you can get all/most of your money back (if you already bought it used, you can probably sell it for the same price and thus you played the game for free).
And if you live anywhere on the globe outside the US, you also get to play the "regional pricing" game, which makes Nintendo products more expensive and less likely to be on sale.
That is not true.
Unlike Steam, you can create a Nintendo account for any region of the world you want (and it doesn't matter where you live). Then you just have to get a Nintendo eShop gift card for the region and you are good to go. (The games can even be played by other accounts from different regions, as long as it is logged on the same switch)
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I wasn't aware of the Nintendo store actually.
I was talking about buying physical copies.
which you can then resell. By that, you can get all/most of your money back (if you already bought it used, you can probably sell it for the same price and thus you played the game for free).
I'm not sure how it works where you live...
Where I live you can:
Most of the people I know who own a switch, just buy new games, and then keep them gathering dust until they throw them away.
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I wasn't aware of the Nintendo store actually.
I was talking about buying physical copies.
Oh, sorry for that. I must admit, that I didn't read the previous comments.
Well, I guess it's better here...?
~2,5€
.I usually buy the cheap games on switch digitally, but if it's something more expensive, I try to get a used physical copy. Not only do I help someone else, but I can also sell it for the same price later on (or if I got a good price, I could even sell it for more) and have the entire experience for free. But I don't do that, because I keep all of them.
Btw, happy factory day!
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But no email and wallet still shows 5 euro. Aargh. I probably be in the queue for 2023 now.
It does show up in my account history though as pending.
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I'd go for the 256GB one. 64GB just seems a bit too stingy, and while there is the option to use an SD card, it's going to hamper updates down the line. 256GB is enough breathing space without spending too much money.
Yeah, the 512GB version also looks nice, but it starts to get a bit on the too expensive side (for me) for a handheld gaming console at that stage.
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EDIT: Thanks to everyone who posted in a timely manner, you've given me a lot of perspective before the preorder and fair warning NOT to go with the lowest-end $399 model. I have incorporated this into my outlook and have preordered ($5 down at the moment) that 64GB model, but thanks to everyone here I have tempered my expectations and am going into it from a point moreso of curiosity since this device is almost exactly what I wanted, so if it is not serviceable for my needs why would they even have bothered to make one at this price point (marketing ploy?).
Thank you to everyone who commented and for being a great community, and congrats on everyone else who got their preorders too!!
OP:
Not trying to double post on doctorofjournalism's "post" about this but I wanted to have an actual discussion instead of just a hand full of words.
Around the start of this year I was looking at handheld gaming PCs such as the OneX Player, GPD Win 3, and Aya Neo, but all of those are around $1k USD and I was just wishing for something for half the price, but now the rumors were true about Valve's handheld console has been released and I AM it's primary demographic... so I'm pretty sure I can't NOT get this since it's exactly what I wanted!
I'm primarily wanting something to just putz around the house with and play indies (and all this crap I keep getting from humble choice) so I think the lowest end storage option should do me, but 64 GB is so small and the eMMC not being SSD.... like I know that's why it's cheaper but it's so tempting to go for either of the higher options. I have a gaming PC that I would definitely play my larger games on, and there is a SD slot for memory expansion, so IDK why I would be hesitant, but I am just looking for anything to help me decide before I reserve (or not!) one tomorrow.
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/?snr=1_4_4__118
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