Allow people to create giveaways for games currently in promotions

The only reason I can think of for not allowing them would be the flood of GAs, but that could maybe be solved in some other way.
And I think the faq refers to free games as in f2p and similars.

Thread title and poll question are opposites, likely resulting in many users accidentally picking the opposite of what they meant.

I was wondering... do giving away free games earn you more slots?

I agree, if people are annoyed by a flood of GAs there´s still the option to hide them.

"But wot aboot cee vee?"

hmm I think someone posted a similar thingy about the same issue but this one is a solid suggestion
since the site use the "no CV" feature, there should be no problem for steamgifts in adding the free game during promo

but.. there might be a problem with the site in which the free game were being given away
it might not be okay for that site to re-gift the game they are giving away in another site

like in humble bundle, afaik there is no option to send the free game as a gift link (cmiiw) unlike when you bought a bundle
so it might not be okay to actually reg-gifting that game according to humble bundle (again, cmiiw)

also this is written in humble bundle ToS (in which I did not fully understood, but may have something to do with I was talking about):

You agree not to engage in any of the following prohibited activities: (i) copying, distributing, or disclosing any part of the Service in any medium, including without limitation by any automated or non-automated "scraping"

This for sure. It's ridiculous that it wasn't this way since the start of the chaNGES FOR GAMES BEING SET TO 0 cv if hey were free. Like OP said. People are just making fake GA's under the wrong name, resulting in more issues and support tickets.

I am all for games that have been previously massively gifted free to continue to be gifted on Steamgifts instead of removed for a matter of weeks. Since the gifter will get no cv for it (or if he does, will later lose it) I do not see a problem. Those who do not want to participate can hide the game from themselves. All those who get the game for free will not be able to see it anyway, leaving me to compete for that extra +1 must-have bundle trash game I have been searching for :)
Voted no :)
Edit: Forgot the thing that grinds my gears...when the gifter cannot find the game he wants to gift (eg. COH 2) and so grabs something like COH2 Master Collection. Not fair to those trying for the game and the gifter may end up suspended.

While it surely serves some purpose, it's not really useful. It would be more useful if giveaways were allowed during the promo with mandatory "free key from HB/IG/whatever, get yourself a copy there as well" description. And at the end of the day, if someone's annoyed, it takes two clicks to hide all the giveaways for a game (one with ESGST)
I'm curious how many free giveaways would be needed to be reported to support based on the guidelines until the actual rules will get changed. Or maybe, finally merged with the FAQ as it should have happened years ago.

I asked that they update the FAQ with the information from that thread, which is what you usually do when it is a programming job, you keep an up to date wiki with all releases and explain all noteworthy changes.

+1
It's something I never understood after the rulechange about free games..and I found it especially annoying now with Homefront...because so many giveaways for it's sequel popped up (which is wishlisted) and it was pretty clear that most of them would be deleted anyway for "selected incorrect game"..

My understanding is, because Bundler(s?) aren't online 24/7, that means someone crafty could giveaway lots of copies of free game in that time, get tons of CV, win some higher level giveaway and giveaway-maker would have to to gift them their win

Also, don't you contradict yourself by first saying "there are no rules against this", then saying "also, edit this rule that forbids this"?

But yeah, someone should clean the rules: right now they forbid to giveaway region-locked gifts/keys...

As it is there's just more work for everyone on the support side than there needs to be. First the game has to be disabled, then it has to be re-enabled and marked as a free/no CV title and somewhere along the way all the incorrect giveaways from during the disabled period need dealing with as well as any from before it was initially disabled.

Just skip all the hassle and mark it as free/no CV in the first place. The game doesn't need moving twice, no giveaways need dealing with* and as long as it's dated correctly nobody gets CV they shouldn't have. I said this when the change was first announced and I still think that's the way it should have been all along.

*There will always be a number of cockwombles that try to game the system by giving away free games as something else but a large part of the issue was always that people couldn't find the right item in the list. If it isn't removed from the list in the first place the issue is minimised.

As long as GAs are retroactively set to 0 CV afterwards I don't see any problem with your suggestion. The current solution is unnecessarily complicated and creates hostilities over nothing since AFAIK those early bird creators who give free games away before they are removed are already not getting (or rather keeping) CV once it has been retroactively set to 0.

I'd still like to encourage GA creators to link to the promotion in the description when giving away free games from a currently running promotion. That way everybody who wants can grab a key themselves while those who don't want to bother with that stuff can try their luck here.

I'm happy free games can be given away now at least. Often to get these "free" games you have to do stuff that I don't wanna do, so I'm glad to still get a chance on them here~

I think the main reason this is not done is to avoid flooding of the amount of giveaways that would then occur.
Also, they would have to be set not only to 0 CV; but also count against '# of games given' for SGT purposes.
Not disabling them will also prevent sending the signal that you are not allowed to give it away (that's why it's disabled). Thus, more people will think it's allowed to give them away and result in even more flooding of giveaways.
People have to be extra careful not to join these giveaways, as they could just as well go to the promotion source and obtain the key for free. If joining, they waste their points for nothing, as the giveaways won't be deleted and the keys will actually be delivered, so no refunds.

Contrast the current system, where it's clearly misleading to create giveaways for the wrong games, and the people who do so can clearly be punished, and points are automatically refunded once their fake giveaways are deleted, which protects all other users in the meantime.

Very clever to reverse the poll options, I'm going to have to remember that strategy whenever I want to encourage people to vote for unpopular opinions. 🤣

Problems are rerolls, as you are aware:

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/vwJSW/suggestion-make-free-games-give-0-points-instead-of-being-uncreatable#H0bSSqh

Removing the game from the list would prompt user to create a fake giveaway for a different game with similar name. If we want to prevent user from creating giveaway for games which are currently being given away, at least leave the game in the list, but displaying an error message with warning not to add a different game.

There should also be a mechanism for moderator to flag a game as being given away for free which does the following things in the background:

• Record the start date of the giveaway and delete all ongoing giveaways which is created after the start date
• Mark the game as free from the start date.
• Optionally record the end date of the giveaway, which automatically allow the game to be given away again after the end date. This would be useful for giveaways with set end dates, such as those from HumbleBundle.

it's all good sg, nothing to see here <3
just people sharing their masterpiece edition copies they bought when there's a free promo for the base game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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One thing I'd suggest is making it so free giveaways don't count towards the total number of giveaways listed on your profile (or are added parenthetically, eg. "56 giveaways (plus 24 giveaways for free games.)" This would close the only remaining loophole that might encourage people to excessively grab and give away currently free games.

With that fixed, there's no reason not to let people give them away (and it's better than letting a free thing you accidentally grabbed but already have / don't want go to waste, or having it grabbed by a bot.) It's definitely better than the current situation, where many, many people give away the game under the wrong name, wasting support's time, making it harder to find giveaways for the version they selected, and getting timed out. Floods of giveaways are easily ignored by hiding that game anyway.

If I remember correctly, in the old days of SG V1 (about 5 years ago), bundled games were strictly verboten and they first allowed the gifting of bundled games only after said bundle had expired. I think the reasoning behind this was to avoid potentially discouraging people from buying the bundle themselves and trying their luck here instead, either as a gesture of goodwill or to avoid complaints from the bundle organisers at the time (there were only a handful then). It made more sense then too because SG used to allow the gifting of entire bundles, not just individual games.

I don't know if it has been mentioned already, but my guess for disallowing free games to be given away while the promotion is running is for somewhat similar reasons: to not provide an additional incentive here for people to "exploit" said promotion by taking more keys than they ought to, especially if they already own the game(s) in question. For promotions with limited supply, it's kind of frustrating to miss out, only to see tonnes of copies given away here by people who already have the game or don't want it, possibly in the erroneous hopes of gaining CV. So I can understand the motivation for not allowing giveaways for free games during their free run if seen from this perspective. Not that this policy is successful, mind--people being people and stuff.

Let them make giveaways but 0credit giveaways, you know the ones with the double ** on them

I thought the disabeling happened/is happening because of the high traffic it would cause (when free games are given away) and the site slows down significantly shrugs but that might be outdated now?