Nah, in relation to steam/valve it sounds like it's making the entire EU one region
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Since Russia isn't part of the EU, no.
But! Feel free to make use of price differences between EU1 and EU2 regions where those exist, because that will become legal instead of being an exploit.
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all AAA titles are significantly cheaper in EU2. Most indies are as well.
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On Steam? Yes. Everywhere else? No. Especially retail games (which end up on one or another digital distribution platform anyway) are over 40% cheaper.
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I haven't kept track of how it's been shifting around tbh.
On the bright side, 2 regions = double the chances at making use of pricing errors ;)
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Last time I checked, Australia wasn't part of the EU either.
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Grooveshark died 3 days ago.
Because of lack any other real alternatives i suggest to check http://music.163.com/ (if you don't mind seeing some weird characters all over the screen). It's the closest to the Grooveshark in despite of slightly smaller audio data base. Also it has better audio quality than the other free music streaming services.
Unlucky i haven't found any user broadcasting service yet.
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Almost everything is unavailable in my country because of National Socialist German Worker's Party Society for musical performing and mechanical reproduction rights
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Why? EU1 prices won't change, EU2 prices will go up. Piracy in EU2 goes through the roof. Nobody wins.
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I'm more curious about how the whole german censorship of games will be affected. If it's all one big market will everyone have to censor their blood/gore/swastikas or will those laws in germany basically be scrapped?
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There is not a problem by law for germans to import games with swastikas or gore for private use if you are older than 18 years.
It is only against the law to release such a version on the german market.
The recent geolocking from Wolfenstein for example was illegal and this new regulation will prevent this in the future.
By law you should be able to import from anywhere inside the EU if you want Uncut versions and any geolock is illegal.
(I still think the only reason they did this geolock, was in order to get more sales on the german version.)
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Oh, ok. I think I must have misunderstood how the law worked, for some reason I thought that even activating a game bought from another region in Germany would result in the game not working/being censored when activated. Makes more sense now :)
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You are right. In some cases the publishers are overcautious and go beyond the actual German law requirements.
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This is NOT GOOD
Right now, let's say in Germany, game X is at 50€. In Russia (just an example, I know they're not EU), it's at 30€. If region locking goes away, you think you'll be able to buy from Russia for 30€? No, heck no, the Russian price will go up. "Expensive" regions will not see the difference, "poor" regions will suddenly get much more expensive games. The alternative is a huge drop in sales in "expensive" regions and a net loss for publishers. EU has 3 pricing zones inside of it.
Contrary to a popular opinion, region locking is the price-wealth equalizer. As mindblowing as it is, it's pro-consumer.
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Russia is just an example, I couldn't think of another (probably Poland or it's neighbours). EU is still divided into 3 pricing zones.
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On Steam store, you're right. On everywhere else, the prices differ up to 45%. For example, boxed copies. Most of them have a mandatory Steam code (and if not Steam, then Origin or uplay). You pay 25€ less, you get a Steam code, and throw away the box.
It'll be 15-20€ cheaper to import a game from Poland to Germany than to buy it on Steam if prices are retained. And since They want to remove regions, not solidify them, the EU2 prices WILL go up across the board.
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It's okay. They're talking about digital market. Too bad physical market will have to follow if they won't stop tying Steamworks games to Steam.
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Jesus Christ people can't read. Which part of "In Russia (just an example, I know they're not EU), " can't people understand?
Thanks for at least getting my point
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I tried to keep positive about region locking but no, there's been no price change after it. I still pay just as much for games. You're assuming us poor countries in eastern europe are getting cheaper games, we're not, we pay just as much as the rest of europe despite making a lot less.
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On Steam? Yes. Everywhere else? No. I'm from Poland. Our retail (and almost all boxes have a mandatory Steam/Origin/uPlay code anyway) prices are almost at half of EU1 prices. Even Origin and uPlay prices are significantly lower.
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Yes, RETAIL, i'm talking Steam storefront prices dude. There's very little difference. And most of those retail games are Uplay/Origin copies, not Steam copies, at least not in my country. Plus i mostly buy indie games anyway and those don't get retail releases. So no, there will be no change for us.
Also you're mistaken, we're not getting different region keys from retail purchases, we're getting ROW/EU keys, so this move will change nothing for us. Stop trying to scare people with increased prices xD
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Steam has a stupid pricing policy.
And FYI almost all boxed copies (in Poland) have a MANDATORY Steam code in them (other have Origin/uPlay). So importing a boxed copy that WILL END UP ON STEAM from Poland to Germany will save you over 20€.
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That's odd.
Anyway, I've already been importing games from UK (UK of all things...). I've got all Batman games from Zavvi, and a few smaller titles. Shipping and handling and the game itself still cost me a third of their respective Steam prices.
I've been importing and exporting stuff for a while now. Sending a game to France from Poland costs less than Bad Rats. if you add tracking and acceleration, it's like 6-7€. You're still left with almost 20€ in savings (game - 32€. Shipping - up to 8€).
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Possibly. And was the phone expensive? Noticeable taxes start from around 70+$
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Digital and retail aren't exclusive, in reality they overlap.
The point of this isn't to raise prices, true, but that's what will happen. Key resellers would run even more rampant, and most people would be smart enough to buy from former EU2.
And how would they implement that anyway? Force stores to have a drop-down price menu, with two prices? Who wouldn't choose the lower one?
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Welcome 95% piracy in Poland.
Do you think that we have lower prices than (for example) Germany?
Minimum salary in Poland = 305 euro per month.
New game on Steam = 50 - 60 euro.
New game box (almost always with region lock) = 32 euro.
Origin shop - Dragon Age: Inquisition standard edition = 45 euro (today's price).
And finally the best: shops in Poland never do so quickly and so large discounts so ... we buy games in GamersGate, GreenManGaming, Nuuvem and US Amazon.
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Looks like it's more Valve being dickheads then. They have tools in place to compete fairly with your physical market, they just don't use them.
(Yes, EA wins this round over Valve as well. EU1 region price for DA:I = 60 euros, 70 for deluxe edition. EA do score dickhead points of their own as physical edition is 50-55 euros for though).
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Estonia & co have unbalanced EU2 prices
worry not, EU1 prices are coming !
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oh no! They earn less than half of what EU1 earns! Better slap them with higher prices!
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You're really, REALLY mistaken. EU2 prices are around 55-60% of EU1 prices, sometimes even less.
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On Steam? Yes, same prices. Everywhere else? No. Especially retail games (which end up on one or another digital distribution platform anyway)
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Well this is Steam Gifts and people are talking about it affecting Steam games. And as i said to you above, most people want Steam keys. I'm never buying another Ubisoft retail game again, since they all come with Uplay keys and i don't want to deal with their garbage platform.
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Well, if you're buying Ubisoft games from Steam, you'll have to deal with uPlay anyway. IMHO going through one platform is better than going through two. Especially if it costs me 25€ less.
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Well, retail games are not part of this discussion as presented in the op: "These restriction don’t exist in EU when buying goods physically or in person, only in the online world. The EU commission it working to ban these hostile customer practices by releasing a first bill draft early 2016."
As for the other online stores such as gmg, gamersgate etc, I for one have to pay the same prices as UK, it's even listed in GBP despite the fact that I live in a EU2 country, there are some regional online stores that will be affected by this though such as those who only accept buyers from certain countries.
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Then it'll be almost 20€ cheaper to import a game from Poland to Germany and wait 2 days... that's silly.
Origin store has lower prices for EU2. uPlay store does as well. There are also numerous partner websites... even if the biggest ones for some reason enforce UK prices.
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I've already included delivery and taxes.
There are some games that never go cheap enough. For example, CoD games. Even at 50% off, they're still more than twice the price of boxed copies. Which contain Steam codes. Heck, BlOps1 is like 7€ right now, and has been for past 18 months. Advanced Warfare is 18-25€.
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Fair point but i i don't buy COD games. I don't rly buy AAA in general. here there around 30-50€ at launch so it's still cheaper to wait for a sale on Steam i think. I don't know, i guess it also depends on the retailers, how cheap they get their stock and how much higher they wanna sell for.
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Well if you're only buying indies on Steam, then you won't see much of a difference. Customers of every other store will feel the difference one way or another.
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But, like i already pointed out. you're only really buying region restricted keys on the steam store or when it comes to resellers that sell keys from steam. When you buy retail, you're most likely always getting ROW/EU keys, or at least that's been the case with my retail purchases. So there's no reason to feel any difference anyway :)
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Nah, retail keys also have restrictions. For example, I bought Homeworld today - it's Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia restricted. Most retails are like that.
I also use Steam for games unavailable in retail or at trusted partners like GMG... While there is a little difference, there is a difference. Especially during sales.
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That's because most of TES are older than Steamworks.
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There are a few games cheaper in EU2 than EU1. The Talos Principle is an example.
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You are almost right, EU2 and 1 have almost the same prices, but some games are cheaper in EU2, generally EU1 is more expensive
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Don't get your hopes up, the media industry have pretty much made this new regulation powerless. They've thrown a lot of money on lobbying against it, and the end result is that they can still geoblock you, in case a piece of media has not yet been released in your country, or if they deem the price difference too high (i.e. they claim that that is justifiable geoblocking).
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Are all prices standardized in the EU? This seems like a bizarre decision. I wonder if Steam will just normalize prices to the higher tier.
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Prices are not standardized, but EU law allows someone from Western EU to buy stuff without any problems from Eastern EU and Western EU shops can't do anyhing about it.
So in digital world - anybody from EU-zone should be able to pick either Euro-Steam or Pound/Britain-Steam for any of his purchase, whichever he wants at the moment of purchase.
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I think Steam and other digital book, game, music companies shouldn't be allowed to charge outrageous prices. But it sounds like that system will suck for brick-and-mortar retailers in higher cost countries.
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Hard to say. It's not like people couldn't buy from for-example Polish digital shops today and 99% of games don't have any Polish-region-locks.
All they couldn't do is choose if they want to use British, EU1 or EU2 Steam. Or Origin. Or Uplay (that's funny case, Ubisoft makes different free-deals for different countries - they had buy-one-get-one-free promo, and in US there was like 15 games, in Poland like 10, and in Russia 3).
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