I got myself something like this https://valid.x86.fr/t7b7jw
Depending on your country can also use this site.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Andreakos/saved/#view=4bdBmG
Her'es a list of mobo's
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3175005/computers/amd-ryzen-motherboards-explained-the-crucial-differences-in-every-am4-chipset.html
There should be also down the next months bundles with CPU / GPU which can help you save some money.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/2
Beware with SLI, wouldn't be surprised if they drop it entirely and go back to single cards, even tho might be sales lost for companies.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/229843-nvidia-drops-most-support-for-three-and-four-way-sli
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Why do you need SLI? It's not really that well supported these days by most games.
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Nope. Even super hardcore overclockers are dropping multi-GPU setups. AMD exiled it with a reason to the last tier of chipsets, because nobody is building systems now for it; the second and third PCI-E slots are nowadays usually filled with expansion cards (for example, M.2 and U.2 hard drives). Multi-GPU nowadays is almost exclusively used by cryptocurrency farmers.
The B350 is more than enough for your needs.
As for the RAM, you'd have to replace it, since you have DDR3 sticks and B350 boards are DDR4 ones. DDR3 sticks will not work in those slots.
RAM prices are sadly high as hell, since most DDR4 memory chips are taken by the smartphone industry. If you buy 8GB, you may be better if you buy a single stick, and preferably of something that was recently introduced on the market, so you can buy another one when you have money.
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Even super hardcore overclockers are dropping multi-GPU setups.
This.
Get a better card out of the gate and avoid SLI/Crossfire.
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If they're close enough in price that you're actually asking, then yes.
Also, pretty sure you're going to have to get a X370 if you're planning on running SLI in the future.
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Whichever has the best slot setup for your needs and has the least amount of complaints on Newegg and amazon. My personal preference is ASRock for their neat utilities, features, and layouts; but you can pick any ASUS, MSI, or even Gigabyte board beyond that. For example, sometimes on MSI boards, you cannot use a large air cooler on CPUs as the memory slots were too close to the CPU socket. But most any manufacturers have their own ups and downs.
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Usually by looking at the motherboard's picture. They always have a full top-down view, at worst on the manufacturer's site.
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Apart from an X370 board being overkill for a Ryzen 5? Yes.
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It is a toss-up. Unless you read a ton of user feedback on them, you can only know when you buy one. But none of them should be better or worse than the other, in general.
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Nope. Even super hardcore overclockers are dropping multi-GPU setups.
+1
if you have some random non-matching pci-e card and don't mind the extra power consumption it wouldn't hurt to toss in a card to solely take care of physx to ease the load on the main gpu, but actual SLI is a thing of the past now.
edit: it's not worth buying any additional gpus though, i'd only do this if you have a moderately decent gpu just laying around already.
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Sell the 1060 and get a 1080ti, to avoid the nightmare scenarios of SLI.
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I agree, sell your 980 and your friend's 1060 and you almost have a 1080ti, which is waaaaay better than 1060 sli =)
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I wouldn't make that trade, 980 is better in game tests that I've seen (and in synthetic tests also). Try selling your 980 and getting a 1070 maybe, that would be a nice upgrade.
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Only do that trade if his 1060 is the 6GB version, otherwise it would be a downgrade for you.
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Unless they changed it on recent models, the 1060 series doesnt support SLI at all. You could in theory run 2 together with win10 multi-adapter but it wouldnt be worth it.
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The only reason to get SLI is VR if it ever supports 1 gpu per eye.
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the 1060 doesn't naively support SLI if i remember correctly; you'll have some more work to do if you do chose to go that route
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what kind of 1060? The 3 or 6 gig one? because you need to get the same one in order for SLI to actually be worth it. As far as Mother Boards go, the MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 is the cheapest one that supporst SLI and Crossfire. You can purchase it off of newegg for $100 USD Regarding the Memory, you can pick up a Kingston - ValueRAM 16GB which is one stick of DDR4-2400 RAM for about $100 USD also off of Newegg (Idk if they ship all around the world).Your Power Supply seems like it should be enough. Hopefullly this helps :D
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In total, you are looking to spend about $660USD (or 5397 Swedish Krona) In parts if you are going with a 1060 6gb, Ryzen 5 1600, and if you get my parts I suggested. I hope that this will help you!
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Don't forget about import taxes as well. Frankly, if you want the cheap, Germany is where you should buy. www.Mindfactory.de is a great store for example. Do not even think about ordering outside the EEU cause that will cost you more than just buying it at home.
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Ah that sucks. I live in Belgium so Germany is real close and cheaper all around. Just keep looking out for a deal and maybe keep an eye out around black Friday and the holiday's. Usually there are some deals to be found then.
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speaking about RAM speeds - you should look for ram with low timings, then - frequency that your budget allows.
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they are just latencies, so the lower these thingies are, the faster cpu can work with RAM.
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No, for that you should ask someone else, I don't know what's on the market right now =)
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If you're planning to get higher clocked ram sticks make sure you check the compatibility list on each mobo. You can find those on their respective manufacturers site
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yeah but not all RAM will reach 3200 mhz even if it sold as 3200mhz. Really need to check on the mobos. I just ordered this mobo https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-GAMING-PLUS.html#support-mem-2 and had to return 2 RAM kits that weren't able to reach advertised speeds.
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I would post Something Awful, but you need to pay for it these days. They are very fast and I got my last three rigs from their help. All of them very good for their price range. A one time fee in order to save you hundreds and from very knowledgeable people, is worth the cost.
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Well if you aren't going to go SLI anymore, then I'd suggest the MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4. Basically it is as good as a X370 MoBo, but is cheaper and doesn't have SLI support. I don't know where you would be able to get it but I think that it will be good for what you want.
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If you want an AMD Ryzen 5 1600:
- You need a motherboard that has an AM4 socket.
- Depending on what motherboard you choose you can than see what type of RAM you need (DDR, DDR2, DDR3 or DDR4). The motherboard will say which type of RAM it can use.
- 750W is already overkill for most PC users, so I'm just going to assume it's not going to be a problem. If you really want you can look up the W needed for your CPU and GPU('s) and add 100W to that to get an estimate of the power your PC would need.
16GB of RAM is also overkill by the way unless you're running several programs at once. I'd still go for 16GB over 8GB though just for future proofing, but 12GB is also acceptable.
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You shouldn't have to change your PSU for what you want to do (as far as I can tell from the information you've given).
I would look up the reviews for the motherboard you have chosen to see if it's a good pick. I don't see any specific issues with it at the moment.
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The RAM frequency isn't that relevant in most cases, you'd hardly notice the difference. Go with the 16GB as it's the more future proof option, at the moment you'll hardly notice any difference whether you choose 8GB or 16GB though.
Memory intensive programs, mostly: picture/video editing software, 3D modelling, additional games, ...
Most of what you mentioned doesn't really qualify.
You can open "Task Manager" (ctrl-alt-del) and you can see how much RAM those programs use.
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Ram frequency is actually relevant in Ryzens case. It benefits quite hard from higher (3000+ mhz) speeds
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wait, wat?
so you are wanting sli "for the future" but at the same time you are considering going for 8gb ram only because you don't want to spend the money.
sorry but that's idiocy. screw sli, get more ram. 16gb is minimum for any new gaming rig you build today.
i mean the only thing that killed the 8gb ram of my recently upgraded old 2008's pc was the fallout 4 hd pack but future games will need more ram as well.
get a 2x 8gb memory kit with at least 2666 or better 3000 rating. make sure to get a new "for amd ryzen" kit and not some old stuff.
ryzen is a bitch when it comes to ram.
i had two 2x 8gb 3000 kits of corsair vengeance and i had to return them since they refused to run stable at anything above 2333. terrible ram, at least for ryzen.
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I back up what he stated. I've had issues with both Corsair Vengeance @3000MHz and Corsair Dominator Platinum @3200MHz. It's not BIOS or Motherboard related, seeing as how issues with my board have been fixed for a majority of users. Stay away from anything that says XMP, it won't work.
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it could be hard to get a matching 8gb dimm in 6 months. that's why i always go with kits. they are guaranteed to have two identical dimms for best dual channel performance and compatibility.
i had to return my vengeance and buy gskill flare x instead. but i used four dimms.
if you only want to use one or two now and in the future then maybe the vengeance will do.
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Sweet, I'm not the only one who had an issue with Corsair Vengeance? I've not found other posts on this. My RAM is unstable above 2133. Too late to return it. :c
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i was able to run two kits (4x8gb) of corsair vengeance at 2333mhz without problems. however almost every cold boot it was reset to 2133mhz and that was really annoying af. even with tweaking all the speeds and voltages i was able to get to exactly 2660mhz and that was the limit.
i visited the asus forum for my crosshair vi hero and there was even a list of people with their speeds and used timings, voltages and so on. a lot of the vengeance users were able to get to 2666 or 3000 and some even higher without problems but they mostly used only two dimms. four dimms is pretty hard on the memory controller but you'd expect it would work somewhat decently.
i don't know whether amd or asus is to blame for that.
i've been building gaming rigs for 20 years now and the ryzen machine was the most trouble i've ever had.
i don't know about you but after spending almost 1000 bucks on fresh hardware i expect it to run without problems.
in the end i returned the vengeance and ordered 32gb of gskill flare x. they run fine at 2666mhz and they don't reset to 2133mhz every cold boot but they were like 50% more expensive than the vengeance.
certainly left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Same here, but I am kinda happy with it. I don't know why, but no matter what RAM kits I have, running them above standard specification clock rates just results in system crashes and BSoDs all the time. I have a set of Vengeance sticks, defaulting back to 2133 MHz on a Z170 chipset, but I am happy with the system's performance anyway. ^.^
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Oh wow, same board, too! Maybe it's ASUS to blame in this case, then. I've not tried tweaking the RAM without a coldboot afterwards, so I'll give that a go. I've been building for 8 years now, and this is also the most trouble I've ever had, but it's also my first AMD build.
I don't have my Vengeance anymore, but my Dominator has the same issues running 4 DIMMs.
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SLI is a waste of time and money.
Less games support it and you're better off getting one powerful GPU than 2 mid ones.
Edit: 8 GB is more than enough RAM for current games unless you like modding games with UHD textures packs etc.
I hope you're using an SSD ;)
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What?
An SSD is the most important modern component of the decade. It's not just loading games, textures etc. It's everything. Your OS is constantly reading and writing stuff to the drive. It's not just the massively faster transfer rates compared to a HDD it's also the practically non-existent access times for reading and writing files.
My PC is a potato (Intel C2Q 2,8, Win 10, SATA 2, AMD R9 270x) but if my SSD died and I had to use a HDD that would be like going back 10 years to the Dark Ages.
Not having an SSD in your system is liking driving a 45PS VW Polo with the handbrake on ;)
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You will enjoy having to wait seconds for the computer to reboot and you can use an SSD for OS/games and HDD for storage stuff. A 512GB SSD will last a long time if you delete your 80GB games after finishing them.
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i will only say that you should get 16gb ram, it's NOT overkill and it's not a luxury like buying a gtx 1080. there are already games that require it:
dishonored 2, mass effect andromeda, basttlefield 1
unless you like stuttering and random crashes. ┐(ツ)┌
not even mentioning you won't need to close everything in the background to free ram. more convenient than having 8gb.
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It depends. If you're okay about closing everything, then 8 GB is fine. I have 8 GB, and for some games I need to close the web browser or I start getting out of memory errors. Watch Dogs was the first game where I needed to do that.
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i experienced it with those 3 games, i don't know about others. 🤷
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The minimum requirement for all three of those games is 8GB so "in theory" it shouldn't cause any serious problems (like stuttering or random crashes). The only thing you should notice is that it may run a little slower. I don't know your computer specs, but it's possible something else might be the problem. Though since I don't know your computer specs or how you use it, it's possible the RAM is what's causing these problems for you, but in general it shouldn't cause problems.
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so a game's minimum requirements are based on ultra settings and 1080+ resolutions?
i thought that was the "minimal" hardware required to run the game. like doom asking for video cards with 2gb memory.
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Running a game on ultra settings on a low to mid end gaming rig, like the OP's build, would be pretty silly. But yes even on the highest settings those games don't use much more than 8GB, 10GB max (and these games are pretty rare). Your other components are more likely to become a bigger bottleneck.
"Minimum Requirement" is never the minimum, it's whatever the developer feels comfortable with.
Even more proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIavpEQQGg
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i don't need video proof of what i said, i experienced it in 2 PCs, the one i use to play games (dishonored 2) and my younger brother's one (bf1 and me).
both had 8gb ram and all three games had stuttering issues. dishonored 2 also crashed if settings were higher than medium textures. once both PCs got upgraded to 16gb all the problems were gone.
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The proof is there for whoever is interested ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's like I said before I don't know your (brother's) setup, perhaps for you it was necessary, in general though 8GB should suffice. I depends on how much RAM you're using outside gaming.
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"In theory" is 100% correct.
You can "get away with" 8GB in those games, but you're going to have a much better experience playing more high-end games with 16GB. I never recommend anyone go less than 16GB on a new build, especially if they're a gamer.
Also - adding 2x4GB sticks now, and filling the remaining two slots later can sometimes be problematic, depending on the motherboard and brand/timing of the RAM. Some motherboards get finicky with all four slots filled, so it's better to get the RAM you want in two sticks over adding another two later. Overclockers in particular dislike using all four slots, and even when we do, we'll typically pull two sticks during OC runs to maintain a more stable platform.
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Bleh, stupid SG deleted my original reply while posting.
Anyway 16GB at the moment has little influence on gaming (yes, even on high settings). It only makes sense if you're multitasking or future proofing. If you search "8GB vs 16GB" or something similar on Google or Youtube you can find plenty of evidence for my claims. If you have any non-empirical evidence to counter my claims I'm more than happy to review them.
I agree that adding two sticks of 4GB would be pretty silly, but the OP is adding one stick of 8GB at the moment and another identical one at a later point. I can not comment on OC-ing because I don't do that.
Even MORE evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-yyc9exXvg
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future proofing.
No one buys a new PC just to play games that are out now. Since there are already several games that push into (and beyond) the upper limits of 8GB RAM (The Witcher 3 and GTA V off the top of my head), 16GB is the next reasonable step to insure you can play tomorrow's games as well as today's.
multitasking
Everyone is multitasking, constantly, and at varying degrees. Your OS uses so much RAM, along with any apps you're running in the background. My rig is using 6.3GB just browsing SG and watching YT videos with Steam open, and I'm one of those people who "streamlines" his startup processes.
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16Gb only makes sense in high end builds IMHO, but I'd still advise it to the OP as well even if it's a bit overkill at this moment.
Hmm, I meant multitasking in a significant way though, not programs that use very little RAM. Not sure what your rig is running, my rig isn't even running 3GB while reading SG, playing Youtube movies (on Chrome) on Windows 10 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Does anyone of you told him or her that Nvidia don't Support SLI for the GTX 1060 Card and there are no SLI finger/bridge.
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I would not do the SLI.
I tried this a few years ago, wasn't quite ready to upgrade the card so I just got a good deal on what I already had for like $110.
Set up wasn't too bad, but then I found myself having to troubleshoot games individually.
Sometimes SLI would not activate in fullscreen, had to use windowed fullscreen.. or visa versa.
Witcher 3 was new and I was mainly playing that. This was one of the games where SLI was not fully supported yet, sometimes it would be on and working and othertimes not. Sometimes I'd have artifacting issues but only when this game was running.
It was just a pain. Save the money and get a decent single card from a good manufacturer.
Also I think your plan of getting 8gb of high quality ram for now is a great idea.
You can always add to it, and wait for sales.
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Why are you upgrading? Do you experience severe bottlenecks with any games?
You're going from an 8 cores CPU (with less IPC) and 12 GB of RAM to 6 cores and 8 GB. Yes, the Ryzen 5 is better than yours but I'd go for a Ryzen 7 in this case (and 16 GB of RAM). I mean, when I upgrade a rig I want to perceive a real difference.
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The additional threads have a marginal improvement and not in all scenarios. Most games doesn't benefit from them. The most important are the real (physical) cores. That's why with Intel CPUs a lot of people buy i5 instead of i7, because most games perform the same in both and don't make use of the hyperthreading feature.
I don't even play recent games
Then where do you experience bottlenecks? I want names :D
I can only imagine a bottleneck in badly optimised games (the ones which only use 1 core so single core performance is essential) and games like GTA V (and other open-world games) which needs a lot of CPU power.
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Are you sure the CPU is the culprit? I just read in another message that you're still using an HDD! Did you know open-world games are almost constantly reading data from the HDD? It's the worst bottleneck of any computer, you can't play certain games with an HDD without lag and/or micro stutters.
The HDDs are ancient technology from the eighties. Their latency is terrible for a modern computer.
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I have both, a 500 GB SSD and a 2 TB HDD. I think your priority is an SSD, and then try to repeat all of your tests with it. I'm sure you'll experience less CPU usage (yes, HDD's poor latency and access times do affect general performance, it's a bottleneck in every aspect).
Idle temp means nothing (besides, the CPUs doesn't measure idle temps with accuracy), the only relevant measure is load temp. If your CPU runs very hot at load then it would throttle and that could be another reason for the lag/micro sutters or low FPS. But you can simply buy a better cooler, that guy from the video ran his FX overclocked to 4.9 GHz.
I can't imagine a Ryzen rig without an SSD, it's crazy. I can't even imagine a 2017 gaming PC with an HDD.
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No, you don't need to install all games in the SSD, only the ones which access the SSD frequently, like open world ones. I can't imagine how loud your rig must be with all those disks spinning. I can't stand noise, my PC is almost completely silent. My single HDD is sitting in a foam cushion to avoid noise and vibration. I'd only use SSDs if they were cheaper.
If I would need a lot of storage space I'd use a NAS (in another room with the door closed xD)
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M.2 SSDs are expensive, besides you don't need so much speed unless you're editing 4K video or things like that. For gaming, a SATA III SSD is more than enough and you'll get more GB per dollar/euro. If you don't have enough SATA ports available just buy an external case and put the worst (less capacity) HDD there.
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Where I live (Spain), an M.2 (SATA speed) SSD like the Samsung 850 EVO M.2 250GB is more expensive than the equivalent Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SATA3: 119 vs 97€
But I would never buy that one when the 500GB version costs around 150€ (I paid a little less for mine because I bought it before the SSDs price raise).
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Not in my country, and neither in the USA (where they're both cheaper), so it depends. Good for you, but I would buy the 500GB version, the 250GB one is not worth for that price.
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You can maybe buy your SSD for example from Amazon .de .fr .es. .it or even uk but you have to pay with an CC.
This Site compares those shops : http://www.geizr.de/
Or you can also look for shops which ships to your Country in the EU.
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the nvme ones are normally a few dollar difference, but it's negligible really, so mostly accurate. ^^
i'm personally running the 850 m.2 sata3 non nvme and plenty happy with it. i moved it from my last laptop into my latest laptop replacing the stock 250gb hynix it came with and the difference between a $1500 stock laptop ssd (hynix) and the 850 evo was actually rather significant. (~20% speed boost with evo)
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if you have the port for it, then i'd certainly spend the extra few dollars on NVMe. unfortunately in my case, both of my latest two laptops weren't the pci-e interface (only sata3), so the nvme wouldn't of been compatible.
the canadian model of my laptop was pcie, but not the us version. (unsure on the euro model)
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What kind of question is this? The FX series were shit even when they released. The IPC is just horrible.
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Okay, gonna make this as simple as possible.
A320 = Entry level with no overclocking
B350 = Mid range with overclocking
X370 = High end with slightly better overclocking (0.1 - 0.2GHz if lucky) and other bells and whistles
That being said, I saw you comments on SLI, and honestly have to say don't bother, stick with your 980 and save for a higher tier card if you must. SLI and Crossfire are being utilized by less and less games every year for the past while, and you won't really benefit from it.
As for memory, you will gain a few fps choosing say 3200 over 2400, but how much that means to you is up to you. I personally went with 2400 for my Ryzen for the time being because I was on a budget and could only get 8GB cheap. Odds are I will upgrade to 3200 down the road when I want 16GB though.
Overall, my personal opinion is to go with a B350 board, it's the best value right now.
Edit: Also note, you'll likely need to flash the bios of w/e mobo you decide to purchase in order to make sure it isn't slow on boot, memory runs at the correct frequency, and so on...
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Looks good. I myself had to go with lesser stuff due to budget and Canadian prices. Got a 1500X (For cheaper then a 1400), MSI B350M Gaming Pro and 8GB of Crucial Ballistix 2400. Now I'm just waiting on the slow ass delivery for my Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+. Not sure if you saw edit to my original post either, but be ready to flash your BIOS right away when you build PC. Due to a lot of initial issues with launch, some with older BIOS may boot slow as hell, or have ram issues, so the updates correct said problems.
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bump for 256gb ram for a smooth gaming experience ^^
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