Can you give a link to one? I'm a huge portal fan! :D
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Maybe this? I didn't install them.
I think it's only available for som TI calculators. I'm not exactly sure how that goes.
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How's this even a question. An open system with endless possibilities or a console?
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A open system with endless possibilities or a closed system that will be much cheaper than a PC that does the same.
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400 gbp preorder price, meaning it will only get more expensive as we get closer to release date
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they will not cost more than 499$ and you cannot get a PC with the same performance as them for that price. And that is a fact.
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Do you know how to read? I didnt say they they do the same. I said that it has better performance than a PC of the same price. That is a fact, plain and simple.
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Do you know how to write?
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If you are O.K with a shitty TV. Fine.
/Just sayin
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Does the same ?
No Mod, no lan, gamepad only, 720p/60fps or 1080/30fps (againts 1080/limitless FPS and I don't speak about the rest), PC exclusivities > console exclusivities (my opinion) etc...
Sure it's the same
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Im talking about the performance. You are not getting a PC with the same performance for that price. That is a fact.
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Ok but don't forget that actual games run on console on 720p (at best), very low, max 30fps, often no AA etc...
So a 2006 computer working with such settings could make run 2013 games. That's the same for PS4/Xbox one. And moreover, when you have a PC gamer...you don't need anything else. A console players have to use a PC too and of course they bought it.
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Also, PS3 supports mouse and keyboard. PS4 will probably support them too.
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I don't know anybody using a keybord and a mouse on PS3. And what about mods, hosting server on the PC and stuff like that ?
The only reason to buy a console are exclusivities and splitscreen.
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There is mod support in Unreal Tournament 3. I would blame mod support more on developers than on the system.
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One game ! Whoah !
And developpers aren't the responsable, modding needs to use specific software, to modify game etc.
Not a problem on PC, just impossible on console.
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XBox and PS4 aren't even released and we are talking about which one is better?
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Of course PC, but I'm leaning towards Xbox One right now. Most of my gaming friends have a 360, and I know they're moving to the One when it comes out. I want to keep playing games with them, so I'll probably do the same.
As far as which is best, who cares? Play what you like and ignore the rest. I'm assuming we're all PC gamers to some extent, so go show your PC some love.
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The new Xbox seems bad with used game fees and always online while I have the 360 I might go for the ps4 this time around. And pc's are an entirely different story.
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no but it will have 2 exclusive games, a racing game & a game that wont be out well past 2015
lol!!!
theres nothing great about it.
Kinect has to be attached at all times & voice commands & hand motions, woo hoo!
also cant wait for the boat full of TV needs.
its a joke.
total gimmick.
they stated they had exclusives but saying you have exclusives & not showing them isnt the same.
they showed Forza & talked about Bungies game that is no where close to being out.
EA is not an exclusive partnership, they wont limit themselves b/c they want all of the money.
& DLC day one exclusives while PS4 users have to wait later, is also not considered exclusives.
im curious where this money will go that they are charging customers to play used games, since they made a huge DRM deal about it.
its not going to developers who made those games.
its going to MS.
you cant share games with your friends, you have to purchase it again to play it or bring your entire console over. lol!
i prefer PC but i also like having a console. i own both 360 & PS3.
but that entire conference was a laughable. i dont care about sports, TV, Kinect, or voice commands
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you realize you can buy a Kinect & use it on your PC
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But PC is actually the most expensive of them all. And it needs upgrades, they cost money too. If you are a fan of strategy games and aim-based games - it's better to buy PC then. If you want to play other games, in my opinion it's better to buy console. If you need PC for anything else than games - you probably already have one that's enough to do everything you need.
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But PC has the best optimization. You can use an Xbox or a PS3 controller in it and has p good graphics in it. Seemingly better than consoles. Plus a 4-year old PC can run Planetside 2 and Battlefield 3 on medium without any lag :P
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Yes, it can run them. But if you paid big money for it. At least bigger than a console. And a conosole lives for a long time without need to update. And it's cheap. There are pros and cons for both consoles and PC.
But looking at yesterday M$ conference everyone should already know that without games you are nothing. PC has the most games, no matter how you look at it. But consoles have many exclusives that are worth playing too.
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You can afford ~5 games on price difference between PC and console too.
I can buy used games on consoles (except for when I use Xbox1, hah!).
Seriously, this can keep going without end, like every PC-console war. It was my opinion, don't go and give me ONE reason why PC is better. It would be nice if you could comment it logically, comment more parts of the post. Or else we can keep giving arguments for and against like that forever.
Make peace, not war :V
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Why? Xbox is by far the most valuable of the three brands now, even though it entered the market a decade late. And even today, Xbox is by far the most played and accounts for far more game sales than its rivals, so I find it hard to see how it won't dominate Nintendo and Sony.
I hope they do well too though, since both Nintendo and Sony are facing bankruptcy if the Wii U/PS4 don't pick up a lot of sales over the next couple years.
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i agree, Xbox is gonna fail miserably.
they showed 2 exclusives.
1 of them is no where close to being finished.
they are at the same spot they are currently with games & exclusives.
& paying to play a used game, is a deal breaker. greedy S.O.B.s
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At least it has screen.
But seriously, both PS4 and Wii U are enough for console market. The games are really different on those consoles. And games are different on consoles and PC. So PS4, Wii U and PC(obviously) will have great games. We'll see about VHSbox. But it'd be better if it didn't exist at all IMO.
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The only console with Zelda, 3D Mario, Metroid, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart and many other excellent games with screen on controller!
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PC will always be more powerful and easier to upgrade in the middle.
http://i.imgur.com/Jn8ERft.jpg
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GTA IV is a horrible comparison.
First, because thats what a PC can do now(with mods) vs what 8year old consoles can do.
Second, GTA IV is a fucking horrible port that still struggles to run properly on modern PCs.
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Um, and how about 6 years from when these are released? That was my entire point. Even the hardware in a new console will not compare to a current PC.
Sure optimization in 5+ years will make some really amazing shit with that hardware, but that really isn't needed...
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PS4 and Xbox One with no backward compatibility, the last one even with no second hand market or just the possibility of sharing one game with your friends. I see it really clear if this does not change I'll upgrade my PC to go with my WiiU.
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PC is and always will be superior to consoles graphic wise, as the components can be upgraded over the years, allowing developers to use their graphic engines to their full potential.
I can't say anything about the next-gen consoles as they are not released yet, however they will probably be slightly worse than PCs at launch and then degrade rapidly over the years.
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